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Disruptive edits to Template:Marriage

Your edits to {{Marriage}} are disruptive. I have now reverted your broken edits three times. This template is used in 42,000 pages. The template editor permission is a privilege that comes with responsibilities. Please discuss any proposed changes and demonstrate them in the sandbox and on the testcases page. Please do not edit the live template again until there is talk page consensus to do so. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I'm sorry. Duly noted. --Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Re: Downscaling non-free images to <100k pixels

With regards to your request via email about downscaling your images, did you try asking its operator, User:DatGuy, first?

I may fulfill your request whenever possible, if time and bandwidth allows. Ntx61 (talk) 12:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ntx61, DatGuy was notified about the issue here. --Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 13:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 Done scaling down the images. Can I ask for your feedback on reduced images by the way? (Some may prefer automatic reduction, so I am requesting feedback.) I did the reduction manually, using the following steps:
  1. The image to be reduced is opened in GIMP (version 2.8.18 is used). The color space is then converted to sRGB if prompted.
  2. As the images appear grayscale, the color mode is then converted from RGB to Grayscale to remove color information from exported images and minimize file sizes (save for File:William-Stanley-Shepherd.jpg, which had a color tint).
  3. The target image size is then calculated per WP:IMAGERES using a self-made tool, and its output is then entered in image scaling operation with cubic interpolation.
  4. The resulting image is then exported as JPEG with 95% quality, with most metadata removed (EXIF/XMP data not saved and comment blanked out).
Ntx61 (talk) 13:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Ntx61. I much prefer it your way. Best, --Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
@Ntx61: can you also reduce these 5 images, please, when you have the time? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (mobile) (talk · contribs · email) 09:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 Done reducing the images.
 Not done for File:Leo Blair.jpeg: Image is small enough (82,243 pixels) to meet WP:IMAGERES. Ntx61 (talk) 14:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks again, Ntx. Can you also please look at these 4? Much appreciated, ‑‑Neveselbert (mobile) (talk · contribs · email) 12:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 Done. This time, metadata has been carried over.Ntx61 (talk) 09:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, quality for some files have been adjusted to avoid going over the size of original images. Ntx61 (talk) 09:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Ntx61: can you possibly upload the higher quality versions of those files you mention? I don't see anything in NFCC policy that prohibits smaller versions going over the size of the originals. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

John Hume/Patricia

I have added a citation for your tag for his wife's name. I was suprised there was none in the article itself. Arnkellow (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020

Information icon Hi Neveselbert! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Pol Pot that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. You removed information on a marriage from the article without explaining why you did it, and you marked it Minor, which it certainly was not (but may have been, with proper explanation). — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 03:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry UncleBubba, I shouldn't have marked my edit as such and, especially in light of the sensitive subject matter of the article, I should have given a more proper explanation. As for why I hid the information (I didn't remove the code), it contains a deprecated value in one of the parameters. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 04:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Blair ministry

Hello. I think I've managed to disambiguate all the links to Blair ministry and get rid of all the {{dn}} tags but it might help if you could check. I've linked those which spanned two or three governments to Premiership of Tony Blair which, although more focused on the leader than the ministers, seems to be the nearest thing we have to a BCA covering the entire period. I see that an unusually high number of articles link through Blair ministry (disambiguation); I don't think either target is wrong. Certes (talk) 23:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Certes, all seems fine. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 12:14, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Help with disambiguation

Hi Neveselbert, at your tag on Mari Kim, I have replaced the disambiguation of Iron Lady with a link to Iron Lady at Thatcher's page....is it correct to do this? The artwork is a take on Margaret Thatcher as the Iron Lady. I'll depend on your expertise in this. Thanks--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 22:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thatcher ministries

Could you explain why you keep reverting my edits? What I don’t understand is how can a ministry be dissolved on election day (11 June 1987) when people are still voting and no one knows who’s going to form the next government. Normally ministries are dissolved the next day when the results are all in: Explain! Ciaran.london (talk) 00:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ciaran.london, see page 412 of ASIN 0720123062, Facts About British Prime Ministers (1995), which has a subsection titled "Dates of Administration" (continued from page 411). If you're able to, you can buy the book and see the information for yourself. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 00:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

👍 Ciaran.london (talk) 00:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ciaran.london, you can borrow the book from here: [1] ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 06:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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Descriptive edit summaries

Minor request: for heavily edited pages that are under intense scrutiny, please use more descriptive edit summaries that say what you're doing and why. (Example: say what it was you formatted.) ~Awilley (talk) 18:42, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I'll be sure to keep that in mind if/when I edit such articles in future. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:53, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

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Margaret Thatcher

The protection log indicates that the reason the page was given semi-protection was because of vandalism. Geminin667 (talk) 04:17, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of an image

Hello, I wanted to ask why you deleted the image I added showing Margaret Thatcher during a visit to Israel? It is a relevant picture to the "foreign affairs" chapter. --DoritG (talk) 09:00, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi DoritG, I moved the image to Premiership of Margaret Thatcher § Foreign affairs. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:10, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote—in order to influence Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston‎. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. You must notify all previous participants not just the ones who agreed with your viewpoint. DrKay (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

DrKay, I'm under no obligation to notify everyone. I'm free to notify those who have previously supported my rationale, you're free to notify those who supported yours. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

"Teresa May"

I've reverted your change to the Teresa May page. "Teresa May" is not a correct use for Theresa May; arriving at this disambiguation should prompt people to fix any incorrectly-spelled links. Note that search engines are not confused by this- if anything, the presence of this disambig provides information that helps them do the autocorrection correctly. -- The Anome (talk) 14:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@The Anome: please see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 9#Teresa May. You may nominate the redirect at WP:RFD but you cannot change the target until there is consensus. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:56, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out the discussion, which I didn't see before making the revert. That seems fine to me. -- The Anome (talk) 18:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
OK Anome, but still feel free to nominate the redirect at WP:RFD. WP:Consensus can change and it's been nearly four years since the last discussion. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:46, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

MOS:SEAOFBLUE

Hi Neveselbert. I would like to ask why you inserted 'hsp' [2] instead of 'br' [3] to avoid a MOS:SEAOFBLUE. MOS:SEAOFBLUE is a great style guide but I am not sure how 'hsp' solves the issue at hand; 'br' would seem a more intuitive solution. --Omnipaedista (talk) 10:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
On the other hand, it is common practice to avoid a line break between honorifics. Actually, 'hsp' is a better idea. --Omnipaedista (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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Edit warring over RfD closure

I have reverted your involved relist of this RfD and restored CycloneYoris' close. Instead of furthering an edit war, discuss the closure with CycloneYoris or bring it up at DRV. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 05:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

OK J947, will do. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 06:52, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Linking to a redirect for a non-notable song

Hi. For somebody who questions others where their edit summary is, I find it a little bit of a double standard that you didn't leave one beyond "restored revision" (to a prior edit by me). What is the purpose of linking to a redirect here? If you think there's potential to expand the article, then by all means go ahead and create it before linking to it, but I'm debating that in my summary (I clearly meant to say "I don't believe the song is notable", not "don't believe the song is not notable"). I don't see extensive independent coverage of the song and it did not chart, so what do you expect an article to be made on? If it's the reason why you reverted my removal of it, I don't believe links to redirects encourage editors to create them, especially if the song is debatably even notable in the first place. If the song had charted, it would most likely have an article on it already, just like the prior single. By that same token, you could link to all songs by London Grammar that don't have articles yet. Ss112 04:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ss112: understood. I still think there is time for the song to chart in time for the album's release. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:44, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit war

Please halt your attempts at edit warring immediately. There is no justification or basis for it, given the edits are stylistic improvements to article ledes only. Not appropriate for you to attempt to mass remove these based on nothing. Vaze50 (talk), 22:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC).

@Vaze50: Surely then, why not justify your improvements on the talkpage, rather than ramrodding them throughout, without any input from other contributors? Per WP:BRD, the onus is on you to begin a discussion and reach a consensus. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:32, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@Neveselbert: As you know full well it is definitely not the standard approach to begin discussion and reach consensus on moving several sentences around within a lede so that the structure of the paragraphs flow better. It is not the addition of new information, it is not removing existing sourced information, it is arranging a lede to read better than it currently does. That is done right across this website on countless articles all of the time, and it is absurd to suggest starting a discussion on talk pages around it. If I was trying to add or remove controversial or sourced/unsourced information then I would completely agree and would do so. Why is it you are trying to stop improvements to lede structure exactly? Can you explain, please? Let's have that discussion you're so keen on. Vaze50 (talk), 22:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC).
I don't agree that your changes are improvements, frankly. Anyway, make your case at the respective talkpages, in accordance with WP:BRD please. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@Neveselbert: You think that on a page where in the very first paragraph it is made clear that the subject holding all four Great Offices of State is significant, that the same page should then hide said offices in the infobox? Can you justify that view please? Vaze50 (talk), 22:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC).
@Neveselbert: Anyway, super clever man, I'll take them to those talk pages and unless there's disagreement, will revert to the obvious improvements put there by me. Thanks for the guidance. Vaze50 (talk), 22:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC).
Neveselbert, this user has had three editors reverting them on this edit. I’ve given them the standard 3rr warning. They’ll be blocked if they revert again. DeCausa (talk) 23:07, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@DeCausa: This edit has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with what you were engaged in, so you can get lost. Take your bigotry elsewhere, and stop trying to crawl up the backside of other people, it's nauseating to watch. Vaze50 (talk), 23:24, 22 March 2021 (UTC).
Your contribs are there for all to see. A 3rr warning means you can be taken to the EW noticeboard (and be deemed to understand 3rr) for any edit-warring. You don’t get to say on which talk pages I post. DeCausa (talk) 23:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
@DeCausa: Carry on screaming into the void there, Anglophobe. Vaze50 (talk), 23:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC).

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John Major

Hey! Around two weeks ago you reversed my edits to John Major as they were unsourced. All of the information about styles was sourced and included in the rest of the article, so would a section on styles require sources or not? I'm happy to add them if they would be, but I assumed not as the information was in the rest of the article. Thanks for your time and have a nice rest of evening! FollowTheTortoise (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi FollowTheTortoise! DrKay previously removed such a section in 2019, and personally I wouldn't restore it without also including inline citations. Best, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
That's really useful. Thanks! FollowTheTortoise (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

{{Infobox administration}} changes

Hello! I see that you've been working on the {{Infobox administration}} template. It appears that your changes have broken the link that is attached to the image on some pages. It appears that the link parameter, {{ns0|[[{{Remove first word|{{PAGENAMEBASE}}|sep=of}}]]}} is not getting the name of the officeholder, but it is only getting the last part of the name - to see examples, see Alex Salmond, Philip Hammond (where the link is to nd) and Carwyn Jones (where the link is to nes). -Niceguyedc (talk) 02:15, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Niceguyedc, thanks for the message. It should be fixed now. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 02:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The link is now to the image file, but the tooltip is still the name fragment. -Niceguyedc (talk) 02:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 Fixed. Thanks again, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 02:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox administration/seal is transcluding itself

Template:Infobox administration/seal is populating Category:Pages with template loops with the bios of a lot of important politicians. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry wbm1058, I've split the template to resolve this. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 02:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
So now I'm looking at Clement Attlee in preview mode, and "Page exceeded the expansion depth" Highest expansion depth 41/40 – wbm1058 (talk) 03:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure why that is. I've prevented the templates from transcluding themselves. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
The bios that were in "template loops" have now moved to Category:Pages where expansion depth is exceeded. "This category is populated automatically by the MediaWiki software. It contains pages where MediaWiki has detected that the expansion depth limit of 40 levels has been exceeded. If the limit is exceeded then parts of the page can fail to render or be rendered incorrectly. A solution may require to omit or edit a template used on the page. See more at meta:Help:Expansion depth and Wikipedia:Avoiding MediaWiki expansion depth limit." – wbm1058 (talk) 03:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Do you know of a way that might fix this? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I haven't tried to figure out what you're trying to do. It seems complicated. You could try WP:VPT. wbm1058 (talk) 03:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
User:Primefac might be able to help. In the meantime, I'll try my best to diagnose the problem myself. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
It seems that there may be too many "if then else" instances, which may or may not cause some issues according to the help pages. As far as I can tell, looking at the categorised pages, there doesn't appear to be any immediate rendering issue. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

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Sandboxing

Hi. Just letting you know I reverted this change because it broke the wikilink on many articles. You can preview on Phua Bah Lee for debugging. I also noticed you frequently self-revert on that template (eg [4][5] [6][7], etc). I'd recommend testing changes in the sandbox before deploying them on widely transcluded templates; better to be extra safe. I find the User:Jackmcbarn/advancedtemplatesandbox.js script can be useful to preview changes on live articles, too, especially if you don't have all the right testcases. Hope this helps. Cheers, ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that ProcrastinatingReader, I wrongly assumed the change would be foolproof going by the documentation of {{Linkless exists}}, which I had hoped would be a quick fix to an issue brought to attention at Template talk:Infobox officeholder/Archive 24#Suspect this template is causing lots of incorrect Wanted Pages. Thanks for letting me know of that script, I'll be sure to download it shortly. All the best, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:08, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 Fixed {{Trim brackets}} caused a piping loop in the particular parameter on Phua Bah Lee that contained a piped link, having removed the bookending brackets only. I've replaced both instances of said template with {{delink}}, which displays without issue. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hello. Could you kindly direct me to where it has been established, either by editor consensus or anywhere else, that knighthoods should be included within an honorific prefix section of an infobox, rather than being part of a name? Many articles do not use this format, and I would be grateful if you could clear this up for me. Many thanks. Vaze50 (talk) 19:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Vaze50, see MOS:SIR. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:20, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, you changed the hlist templates in Clive Sinclair's infobox to csv. Can you point me to any documentation regarding one format over the other? For example does the csv template work as well as hlist for accessibility with screen readers (per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility. Sciencefish (talk) 22:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Sciencefish, {{cslist}} is recommended by the {{Infobox writer#Parameters}} (rather than {{csv}}), so I'll replace the template to that one. I think the use of a comma-based template is preferable to {{hlist}} in terms of punctuational flow after preceding text ("Founder/Inventor of"), as opposed to bullets that appear less continuous. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 12:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Joy, is there any particular reason why you cannot nominate the redirect at WP:RFD? Per WP:3RR, I won't revert again but I'd really appreciate if you could just nominate the redirect there for others to chime in. Talk:Milošević isn't watched by many people at all so there really isn't much point in discussing there. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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Template:Infobox cricketer

Hello. You made some edits to Template:Infobox cricketer at the beginning of March which, I think, might have done something that isn't necessarily what we'd want. But I'm not sure.

In the past, removing the name field from the infobox meant that no name was displayed above it. At all. I **think** that your edits stopped this from happened - i.e. forced a name to be displayed at all times. In some cases I'm not sure we need to do that - for example, where the infobox is used not he same page as another infobox - so, pages such as Everard Blair, Sidney Boucher and Archibald Harenc. To my mind, with two infoboxes it looks a bit off to have the name above the cricket one (but I could be wrong). There are only 43 pages where the name field is not included - most of them deliberately (see Category:Pages using infobox cricketer with no name parameter (92)).

Firstly, I assume it was your edit on 5 March that did this. It might not have been! Secondly, do you think there's mileage in undoing it to allow for the very occasional case where it's seen as desirable to deliberately avoid displaying the name? Thanks. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Blue Square Thing, feel free to revert my edit if necessary, admittedly I should've done more testing. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I've reverted my edit. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:13, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't think it was necessarily a testing problem - only 40-odd out of the 30,000-odd articles that use it do that, so I doubt it would have been found. I think it was probably just one of those things that couldn't necessarily have been expected. Thanks for reverting it - not sure I could have done. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

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Dear friend, your recent edit to the above list of major wins has removed many very significant races, like the 1000 and 2000 Guineas in France, and the Irish Derby and Irish Oaks. May I respectfully recommend that you undo that very good faith edit, as I feel it would be wrong to do so myself? Of course, it can go to Talk, although my recent comment there about Piggott's List of significant horses went unanswered. Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 22:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE

I see we are adopting the style of suboffice for Shadow Cabinet posts for people in ministerial offices. I am happy to go about making this change per consensus but I have a few questions:

  • How shall we make this change for serving members of the Shadow Cabinet or people whose most senior role has been to serve in the Shadow Cabinet?
  • Should we be doing the same for members of the SNP and Lib Dem frontbenches?
  • Lastly, is there a template I can place on pages requesting updates to succession boxes? I feel we should be updating those in lockstep with these changes but some succession boxes are woefully out-of-date.

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Hi Alex B4, I think it would be wise to consult Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom on this issue. My personal view would be to discuss any changes to individual articles on the individual talkpage, though per WP:BOLD you could try implementing such changes yourself and discuss afterwards. I'm not sure if such a template exists myself, though Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization may be of assistance. All the best, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 07:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Commons talk

Please don't send me inappropriate template messages on commons. Saying an image is crap is not uncivil. Polyamorph (talk) 17:31, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Polyamorph, please read WP:AGF and familiarise yourself with the guideline. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:39, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
What do you mean? Where have I not assumed good faith? Where have I been uncivil? Making such accusations is in itself uncivil. stop Please stop. Polyamorph (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
You're obviously implying that PawełMM set out to make the image look like "crap", which was clearly not his intention and yet you're implicitly assuming bad faith. I haven't said anything out of line, you just need to treat other people with more respect than you're doing. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:48, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
I implied nothing of the sort. Maybe read what was written at the commons helpdesk. The mistake PawełMM made was replacing the existing image that was in use across multiple wiki's instead of as a derivative copy. Pointing out that fact and asking them not to do it again is not uncivil, not assuming badfaith, and not disrespectful. If you're unhappy with me discribing the blurring as "crap", LordPeterII described it as looking "absurd", Alsoriano97 described it as "weird" and "horrendous". PawełMM's mistake needed to be rectified, hence why I opened the commons helpdesk discussion. Then X201 kindly fixed it. Frankly PawełMM should have acknowledged his mistake rather than implying I was rude because I called the blurred version "crap". Polyamorph (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Shinzo Abe

“Per John F Kennedy” is not really a reason to revert (see WP:OSE). A cause of death is the actual medical cause found on a death certificate, not something like “murder” or “assassination”, which is manner of death. --IWI (talk) 15:13, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

I meant WP:OTHERCONTENT, sorry. --IWI (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi ImprovedWikiImprovment, thanks for the feedback. I've made this edit to {{Infobox officeholder}} so that the label will display "Manner of death" in circumstances where the subject was assassinated and there is no further context beyond "Assassination". ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I don’t think that is appropriate because the medical cause is what is intended to be displayed, but it does solve the issue on a technical level, which is better than nothing. But I don’t think we want to see manner of death being encouraged; it’s not specific enough. Best, --IWI (talk) 19:12, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I mean, in reality, the manner of death is more properly “homicide”. --IWI (talk) 19:13, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
That's a mostly American term though, whereas "assassination" is more commonly used. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
No it's not, it's a legal term. --IWI (talk) 17:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
See Manner of death. --IWI (talk) 17:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes, in the US. It is not a term used in the UK, where I'm from. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

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