User talk:Levivich

Postponing for a week

G'day, Levivich. If you don't mind, let's put on hold TP and let me postpone DRN request for a week, Monday 29. I talked to User talk:Robert McClenon today about this and I will post the request on a Monday 29 at the latest, but if I get the opportunity, it could happen earlier. Is this OK with you? ౪ Santa ౪^99° 19:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Santasa99: yes of course, have a good week! Levivich (talk) 20:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise, Lev, and see you then next week. Thanks. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 21:21, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you

state 'Zionism is at its last gasp'. You're not at liberty to vary from what many Zionists, observing precisely what you observe, say on this topic, people like Avraham Burg. E.g.

It appears to me that it was Ben-Gurion who declared that the Zionist movement was a necessary scaffolding for the construction of our national homeland and that we would have to dismantle it as soon as we build out state’. Richard Wagman, Palestine, a Jewish Question Cambridge Scholars Publishing 2018 ISBN 978-1-527-52224-4 p.106

Burg, like also Walter Laqueur and many others, shared that view, but preferred arguing that Zionism in its confrontational politics was 'on its last legs'. You should have hewed to tradition rather than branching out on your own metaphor and upsetting the apple-cart by saying it 'was at its last gasp'. Dontcha know that shifts in language like that require some authorization? It's really shattering to see an innocuous metaphor about 'last legs' (one can sit down after all and repose) turned into an offensively necrological one, shifting the image from a lame tottering on tired pegs (inoffensive, empathetic) to to pumping out one’s last breath from exhausted lungs (eliminationist, ergo antisemitic, I guess). Shame on you! Having said that I think I'll reach for another gasper. Nishidani (talk) 21:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lol :-) In fairness, Zionism is one of those things that people have been saying is almost dead for over 100 years. On the other hand, how many years does one need to try something before one realizes it's not working and tries something else? I think the recent increase in Jewish anti-Zionism is because both the diaspora and Israel are realizing like never before that what Israel has been trying is not working, and it's time to try something else. Maybe I'm naive but I still hope that "it's always darkest before dawn" and that the region is on the cusp of a breakthrough that will bring a lasting peace, as trite as that sounds. Levivich (talk) 22:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing trite about hoping for a lasting peace. I've never been cynical, but age makes me pessimistic, because I measure the world against the exceptional good fortune of being born and raised when the memory of WW2, and its lessons, were still fresh. Now my mind keeps recurring to Weimar, which I studied quite thoroughly when young. I hope you are right metaphorically that 'it's always darkest before dawn' - the word itself makes me think of December last year when police detained me thinking I was demented, but gave me permission to step outside just as dawn broke because I said it had been a decade since I'd had an opportunity to enjoy 'sparrows' fart', - our native word for the carolling of a dozen different species of bird, -currawongs, magpies, lorikeets, noisy miners and the like- but for a night owl like myself this report about the best and brightest youth in Israel only exacerbates a sense of sombre realism which the broader spectrum of sociological forces induces me to adopt. Still, I only dropped in to share an ironic joke, not to cry 'we all be rooned' like Hanrahan:) I pin my hopes on the diaspora, a never-ending source of inspiration, also as a model for Israel, upending the reverse tendency of recent decades. Cheers Lev Nishidani (talk) 23:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lev. Sorry to intrude again. Nothing to do with wiki, but if you ever manage a spare hour, perhaps you might listen to this. That captures a larger sense of what has concerned me for four decades. The IP area is just, in this bigger picture, a canary in the mine, and focusing exclusively on it, for its thermometric prescience, always leaves me with a sense of unease. Best Nishidani (talk) 16:14, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll check it out! Levivich (talk) 19:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Off topic but...

Hi Levivich, you posted in RSN that at least in that one content dispute, a layperson believed a circuit decision applied nationwide. It was about 500 million miles off the subject, but I'm pretty sure that the layperson was right? Circuit courts in the US set precedents which are applied throughout the federal system - the point of the circuit is the area from which they receive appeals, not the limit of their jurisdiction to rule. One of the main reasons SCOTUS might wade into an issue is if circuit courts are setting contradictory precedents, because federal law is supposed to be applied uniformly. I could be very wrong - I, like your layperson, do not have any kind of law degree, but that was my understanding and if you can't cluelessly nitpick on wikipedia, where can you? Samuelshraga (talk) 19:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're wrong :-) The decisions of the 12 federal appeals courts only set binding precedent within their jurisdiction, not nationwide. That's why circuit splits happen--because one circuit need not follow the decision of another circuit. Trial courts in one circuit need not follow the decisions of appellate courts in other circuits. [1] Levivich (talk) 19:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consider me corrected! Samuelshraga (talk) 06:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please?

Could you try and avoid laughing and crying emojis as your reply. I know I'm not terribly successful at keeping the discourse in the topic area constructive and on point, but I'd appreciate it, and every little bit helps. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Levivich was simply living out the halakhic decree that every generation must commemorate the 1991 Finkelstein vs. Morris debate in Journal of Palestine Studies as if they themselves partook in it. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:15, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I can gild the halakhic ruling with a wee bit of pilpul, the debate ran on into 1992. Since Morris had the advantage of seeing Finkelstein's essay before he replied, Finkelstein was allowed a rejoiner, published the following year. When people ask me why I'm the only one in my family who went bald, I make the obvious reply, that I am a professional hair-splitter and suffer the consequences. Nishidani (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, and in fact I think I had been particularly thinking of some of the arguments from Finkelstein's 1992 reply _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]