User talk:KAVEBEAR/Archive 1

This is giant mess! If anybody interested wants to volunteer their time and remove duplicates and go through my talk page history to rescue entries I've forgotten, go ahead. Thanks!

Citation tutorial

Thanks for your great contributions to Hawaii articles. Please take a look at the citation tutorial. This will help you improve these articles to Wikipedia standards. If I can answer any questions about this tutorial, please feel free me to contact me. —Viriditas | Talk 02:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding external links is great, but it's much more helpful if you add them as inline citations instead. I can show you how to do this if you need help. —Viriditas | Talk 05:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

To understand the scope of the problem, please click on "show":

Unreferenced Hawaii articles

Unreferenced Hawaii articles

Talk:Naval Computer and Telecommunications Area Master Station Pacific

As of 05:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC) that list only shows 86 articles that have been tagged as unreferenced. In reality, there are hundreds. It helps if you add inline citations whenever you add content. —Viriditas | Talk 05:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Liloa

You appear do do some great work on Hawaii related articles, but the blanking at Liloa did puzzle me. Could you explain your reasoning? Maybe a disambiguation page would be relevant there? Agathoclea (talk) 20:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problems

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Other text has just been cut and pasted from other pages as noted on the talk page. ww2censor (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR, this is precisely why you need to start using inline citations. If you don't do this, you will find a lot of your great contributions deleted. Remember to write everything in your own words. —Viriditas | Talk 08:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Mahalo

Mahalo for the work you are doing in Hawaiiana, especially the list of ali'i aimoku - maika'i! Do you have a list of top kahuna? I have been collecting names as I come across them but haven't organized them yet.A hui hou Makana Chai (talk) 08:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries

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Kahekili

Dab pages require more than two articles, both of which have to exist first. I'll make the necessary changes. —Viriditas | Talk 06:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Kaimina'anao

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spam warning

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Robert Kalanikupuapaikalaninui Wilcox II

Hi KAVEBEAR, I noticed that you reverted my edits on the Robert Kalanikupuapaikalaninui Wilcox II page, switching the Marriage section back to the bulleted form from http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Hawaii/wilcox.htm. It seems like it is not the typical format, given that Robert William Wilcox has the formatting more like how I had done it. I don't want to get into an edit war, but please reply so that we can come to an understanding. I am a new wikipedian, so if there is some sort of rule for using non-standard formatting on early articles, please explain. Nnythm (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR, you cannot just revert users without discussion. Use the article talk page to explain your edits. Viriditas (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Messages

Go ahead and do what you think is best. But when another user like Nnythm asks why you reverted their edits, make sure you respond with an explanation. Thanks for your continued good work and have a great day. Viriditas (talk) 02:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox color codes

Hi, sorry I missed your message about royalty color codes the first time around. The easiest way to figure it out is to look at the documenation on the template page and at actual examples in what links here. You can see that each code in every article using the template uses the form Infobox British Royalty|type where type is none/relative; highness/lesser; royal/prince; or majesty/monarch. They are grouped like that because each group only uses one color, so there are only four possible colors. You can actually setup a template test page and test it for yourself. To learn how to do this, read Wikipedia:Template test cases. If you need more help, contact me. Viriditas (talk) 09:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

For the hexadecimal colors, see Web colors. Viriditas (talk) 10:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

This is probably what you want: List of colors. Does that help? Viriditas (talk) 10:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Line of succession to the Hawaiian throne (Keōua Nui)

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What do you mean it does not exist? Currently all Hawaiian pretenders are not descendants of any of Hawaii's eight monarchs. Every one of them died childless or their descendants died out. But the Kawananakoas and Keoua Nuis, descend from the last Big Island alii or king, Keawe-i-Kekahi-ali'i-o-kamoku II. Both house descends from the Big Island chiefdom's throne and even distantly to the other three major islands. This is a line of succession of an abolished monarchy. All articles on the other line of succession of other abolished monarchies like the monarchies of Austria-Hungary, Legitimist France, Bonapartist France, Orleanist France, Georgia, Iran, Korea, China, Two Siciles, and etc should be deleted since their throne doesn't exist, so by definition a line of succession to it is non-notable.

KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, they should be deleted. Stifle (talk) 22:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Numbering

Kavebear, I don't know if this is what you wanted, but please look at my edits. Please also join WP:HAWAII and get involved with the project. You can sign up here. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Lydia Liliuokalani Kawānanakoa

User:Nhimexico vandalized the article. When you run into that problem again, simply revert to the last good version. You can do this in a number of ways depending on how you catch the vandalism. If it's in your watchlist, click on "diff" and then edit the version before the vandalism occurred. Or, you can run any number of vandal tools, from pop-ups to Twinkle. Follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Vandalism for further info. Please contact me if you have any questions. Viriditas (talk) 05:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Image gallery

I made the changes on my talk page, so look at it in edit mode. I'm not sure you can center an uneven number of images using the <gallery> tag. I think you would just have to use a table instead. Viriditas (talk) 01:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Family trees

See Wikipedia:Family trees. There are several ways to make family trees, including {{familytree}} and {{chart}}. Give me an example of the tree you want to work with and I'll present you with a choice of different styles and you can choose one you like. Viriditas (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the tree. I'll start this one and see if I can finish for you. Viriditas (talk) 05:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It would help me if you could first convert the tree you gave me on my talk page to the appropriate ASCII form. To see how this is easily done, look at this link. From there, we can convert to something like Template:Weasleyfamilytree. Can you do that? Viriditas (talk) 06:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Please look at the ASCII link above. It uses the format Husband══╤══Wife. I need you to add those symbols, otherwise I can't make sense of it without knowing the genealogy. By using the equals sign, you solve this problem. Viriditas (talk) 14:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I've been pretty busy, and this is a holiday weekend so I'll be in and out. I'll take a look at the genealogy and the statue and get back to you with more information. BTW, I want to mention the work you are doing on the family trees in the June newsletter. Viriditas (talk) 11:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Big Island royalty

Category:Big Island royalty, which you created, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - June 2008

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Royal School (disambiguation)

Hi. I don't support this move. Royal School is not a primary topic. Please review WP:DAB for more information. I'm going to try and reverse this. Viriditas (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I see you did the same thing with Alo. Please do not move standard disambiguation pages to Hawaii topics. This is not inline with our policy on dab pages. For now, please do not move any pages. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Same with Haho. That needs to be either a primary topic or a dab page. In order to have a Hawaii topic as a primary topic, we must be able to prove it, with either a google search or some other indicator, such as a private database. Viriditas (talk) 12:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

This is a good opportunity for you to learn how to setup and maintain disambiguation pages. Viriditas (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Diacritics in article titles

While the current version of the proposed guideline says no (See MOS:HAWAII#Article_titles), the discussion on the talk page seems to say yes. See this thread and add your opinion. Viriditas (talk) 04:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No, it's best to discuss proposed moves on the talk page first, however, you are also welcome to do what you think is best. As for the merge of Papa, I'll take care of it later tonight. Viriditas (talk) 04:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hawaiian Anthems

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E Ola Ke Alii Ke Akua

The title is a bit strange; following the Hawaiian VSO (verb-subject-object) word order, this would translate to "King, Save God." But since ola can mean "to save", I guess the title could mean "God Save The King." Based on what I know of Hawaiian grammar, the title might rather be "E Ola Ke Akua i Ke Ali‘i", which would mean "God, Save the King". But hey, it was Lunalilo, I won't argue with what he named the song.

As for the lyrics...

I mua ou makou	Before Thee
Ke ʻliʻi o na Ali`i	King of Kings
E aloha mai	Of Whom all nature sings
E mau ke ea e	Our prayer we bring
ʻO ke aupuni nei	Oh let our kingdom live
E ola mau makou	Life, peace and union give
Me ka moʻi	Let all Thy care receive
	Bless Thou our king

This is odd to me. "E mau ke ea e" ("let the sovereignty be eternal" or something similar) and "ʻO ke aupuni nei" seem to both refer to "Oh let our kingdom live". The line "Let all Thy care receive" doesn't seem to have a direct translation in the Hawaiian lyrics, and "E aloha mai" is quite vague. Kal ^(talk) 06:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: By and By, Ho'i Mai Oe (By and By Thou Wilt Return)

Is this translation reliable?

Uh, sorry, what translation? Kal ^(talk) 00:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you meant some lyrics that you forgot to add. :P Anyway, it sounds good to me :) Kal ^(talk) 00:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Ku‘u Ipo I Ka He‘e Pu‘e One

Yep, one is a Hawaiian word and could mean "sand" or, poetically, "land". As for "Kuu Ipo Ika Hee Pueone," I'm fairly positive that it has the same meaning as Ku‘u Ipo I Ka He‘e Pu‘e One. Kal ^(talk) 06:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Ku‘u Ipo = my sweetheart, I Ka = in the (in this case), Pu‘e = hill, and He‘e could mean ripple...I'm not sure how One ties in, though. Also, Maika‘i Waipi‘o does mean "Beautiful Waipi‘o." :) Kal ^(talk) 06:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Tutu is a word commonly used to refer to a grandmother. If you were to "convert" it to Hawaiian, it'd be kuku, which no one really uses, so tutu is perfectly acceptable. As for the category, Ka Hanu O Hanakeoki looks good, as does Ku’u Pua I Paoakalani except the second-to-last line, "O come to me k`au mea e li`a nei." The word k'au must be a typo, since the ‘okina cannot appear in that position. I think it's a typo for ka‘u, but I'm not sure. Pauahi 'O Kalani is a song I'm very familiar with, and the translation looks good. Pelekane and Tutu are also okay. :) Don't forget that I could be wrong, though x) Kal ^(talk) 23:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Let's see...a search of the online dictionary revealed no matches for "muolaulani" or "muolau". When I searched for "muo", I found muʻo, which means "leaf bud". So Muʻolaulani could mean "heavenly leaf bud". (By the way, the word for pupa in Hawaiian, interestingly, is pupa.) Kal ^(talk) 07:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Yup! Kal ^(talk) 07:16, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so...Beretania is the "Hawaiianized" version of Britain. If you wrote Beretania using only Hawaiian letters, you'd end up with Pelekania (B -> P; t -> k), which, along with Pelekane, is a way of referring to England. I guess Pelekane could also be a Pele-Kane compound, but I don't think it's used even occasionally. Kal ^(talk) 07:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm...it looks like the translation goes rather something like this:

Hui:	Chorus:
E ke hoa o ke	O fair one of the
Ahe lau makani	gentle winds
Halihali`ala o	sweeping over
ku`u `âina	my fatherland

Kal ^(talk) 00:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Liliuokalani

I've replied on my talk page. Cgingold (talk) 09:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Names

I sure they are right except for Liliha, Kapiolani, which I though was rainbow arch; and Kalakua. If liliha means the fat of hogs what does Kuini Liliha mean.

• Liliha - Kuini Liliha means "Queen Liliha". Also, I can't verify what the name means, but I seriously doubt a chief/chiefess would name his/her child "fat of hogs".
• Kapiolani - this depends on whether or not there's an ‘okina. If it's Kapiolani, the name means "the captive of heaven". If it's Kapi‘olani, it means "the heavenly arch". I'm pretty sure the actual name is Kapi‘olani, with the ‘okina.
• Kalakua - the word Kealakekua means "the way of the gods". And since no word "la" exists in Hawaiian, the name should be Kalākua. But what it means, I'm not sure. The last part, "kua", means god, but "lā" could mean sun, heat, day, fin, sail...I would -guess- it means "heat of the gods", but that's just a wild guess and could be wrong. Kal ^(talk) 22:47, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

List of compositions and works of Queen Liliuokalani of Hawaii

Why are you adding "of Hawaii"? Viriditas (talk) 01:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

My understanding of naming conventions is that it is acceptable to call it "List of compositions and works of Liliuokalani" or use the name that she used when credited as a composer. Viriditas (talk) 01:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No, I think it is a very interesting and notable list. Good work. Read WP:WIAFL and try to bring it to featured list standard. Viriditas (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Use your best judgement. List of compositions by Liliuokalani should be fine; the category should also be renamed to Category:Compositions by Liliuokalani. Viriditas (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kauikeaouli

I'm not sure, but he probably did. Kal ^(talk) 00:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Liliuokalani could be Lili'uokalani, Liliu-o-kalani, Liliuo'kalani, Lili-u-o-ka-lani

Well, the proper spelling is Liliʻuokalani. Liliuokalani lacks the ʻokina, and Liliuo'kalani has the ʻokina in a place that's not possible in Hawaiian. Spelling Hawaiian words with hyphens is discouraged by ‘Ahahui ‘Ōlelo Hawai‘i, a group that set down some Hawaiian spelling guidelines. Kal ^(talk) 01:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Kala mai for butting in, but the Queen spelled her own name Liliuokalani. I agree that today the proper spelling is Liliʻuokalani. Makana Chai (talk) 02:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

June 20, 2008

How would Keawe Awe'ula-o-Kalani be written? The only other way is Keaweaweulaokalani, that I could find.

I guess you'd write it as Keaweaweʻulaokalani.

And what is the proper way to okina the name Kaoanaeha and is Kealiiahonui correct or Keliiahonui

I'm not sure what the proper spelling of Kaoanaeha is. As for Kealiiahonui/Keliiahonui, it depends what the intended meaning of the name is. Kealiʻi would mean "the chief," while Keliʻi would mean "the little _____." Kal ^(talk) 01:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

July newsletter

Please consider putting together a small paragraph telling the project what you are working on and what you need help with for publication in the next newsletter. You can use this page to post your ideas. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know what to say. Can you give me an example of what other user has written? And when you referr to project do you mean the ideas I have in mind. Also I talking on my talk page since this is probably what you would like. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry; you wouldn't have to write it if you don't want to do that. All I need for you to do is "report" on what you are doing here, what you need help with (genealogies, etc.) and yes, what ideas you have. You can use this space to discuss those things if you like. And, there is no hurry on this. I'm asking you because you have been very active on this project, and I want to see you get some recognition for your efforts. Not only that, if we you had more help, we might be able to improve more articles. I think, for example, that if you had access to automation (bots) in some way, either by generating jobs or working directly with a bot owner, that it might help you accomplish some of your goals. Viriditas (talk) 21:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Check the link you gave to see if that is what you mean. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II - May 2008

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Re: Spelling

Here we go...

Can Hawaiian names be all jumbled up like Kualii could be Kualiilanipipililanioakaiakunuiakealuanuuokuiialiiikahalau?

Yes. Many Hawaiian chiefs had long names, and some modern-day people as well, such as Mary Kawena Pukui (Kawenaʻulaokalaniahiʻiakaikapoliopelekawahineʻaihonua).

Also the a between names like Kiha-a-Piilani and Keawe-a-Heulu. I noticed it is practiced among alii aimokus and other aliis with their personal name than their father's or mother's. Was it how the ancients referr to these chiefs or is it more modern? Also does it matter on the importance of once's father to allow this as Kakuhihewa was never known as Kakuhihewa-a-Kaihikapu and his father, Kaihikapu-a-Manuia, was inconspicuos in comparison to him.

I'm not sure if it was used in ancient times or if the importance of one's father was relevant to the use of the name. However, the a means "of". So Kiha-a-Piilani, or Kihaapiilani, is Kiha of Piilani. Kal ^(talk) 04:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not sure. Kal ^(talk) 04:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

July newsletter

I'm not sure exactly what you are proposing, so I've moved your News Bureau contribution to its own subpage: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Outreach/News Bureau/Kavebear. What you have written sounds like it is better suited for the project talk page. Originally, I was wondering if you wanted to write a column in the newsletter, detailing what you are working on at the moment. It sounds like you are discussing List of compositions and works of Queen Liiluokalani of Hawaii, and have a few questions that need answered. Should that go in the newsletter? Viriditas (talk) 09:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you addressing me about Kualii's Chant? I delaying List of compositions and works of Queen Liiluokalani of Hawaii until much later. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ka‘ahumanu

• Wikolia is Victoria, I believe.
• Kalehelani could be "the heavenly lip" or "the heavenly lehe fish".
• Kiheahealani, I'm not sure. It could be Kīheahealani or Kīheʻaheʻalani. Neither "kīheahea" nor "kīheʻaheʻa" makes much sense when combined with lani.
• Alekanetero is more accurate, but a true Hawaiianization would be Alekanekelo.

Kal ^(talk) 05:03, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

• Mataio, I really don't know. :\ Sorry, I must have missed it when I was answering.

Re: Ancient Names

I don't know the ancient names, sorry.

I know that Molokaʻi is Molokaʻi nui a Hina, Molokaʻi of Hina, but Hina was a goddess, not a chief. A quick search of the dictionary reveals that Niʻihau was Niʻihau a Kahelelani. I can't find anything on Lānaʻi or Kahoʻolawe.

I'm not sure who Kama was. It does mean "child", however. —Kal ^(talk) 06:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Re Ancient Names of Moku:

In the genealogy of the Mo'o Ku priests, These are ancient pre-arriviste island names: Maui = Maiku, Moloka'i = Weiloa, Lana'i = Kulua, Kaho'olawe = Kawelu. The History of Kanalu, translated by Malcolm Na'ea Chung p26.

Another list on page 105, ENG, which is slightly different: Hawaii= Kualii, Maui= Kulua, Moloka'i= Maiku, Lana'i = Weiloa, Kahoolawe= Kaukawelo, Molokini= Maulu, O'ahu= Ohue, Kaua'i= Kauweli, Ni'ihau= Kunukkeulalaaha, and Nihoa= Naihea.

Me ke aloha, Hoalawepu (talk) 17:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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Sorry, I've been offline. I will try to answer your questions later today or tonight. Viriditas (talk) 11:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Numbering

Take a look at User:KAVEBEAR/Sandbox#Translations to see how I fixed the numbering. I also explained on my talk page. Remember, the proper place for source texts like Kualii's Chant is not Wikipedia, but Wikisource. If you need help moving content over there and linking to it from Wikipedia, let me know. Viriditas (talk) 06:33, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

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Question for you

If you had to pick just one article that you have worked on so far, but that you would like to see significantly improved, which one would it be? Viriditas (talk) 08:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know. But is this what WikiProject Hawaii do every months? Picking an article and improving it, like Hawaiian Religion.

I got it! I think either of the eight monarchs of Hawaii would a great choice. I mostly like Liliuokalani, Kamehameha III, IV and Lunalilo, as they are might favorite of these monarchs. Wouldn't it just be incredible if Liliuokalani's article could rival that of Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom's article. KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, can I go ahead and add Liliuokalani as a proposal for the September newsletter? Viriditas (talk) 06:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Niihau and ali'i

Moved discussion to User talk:Viriditas/History of Niihau

Thanks for your help, Kavebear! I moved the discussion to my sub-page because you don't archive. That way, we can keep an eye on it without it overwhelming your talk page and ending up deleted. Please keep an eye on it. Viriditas (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Once I expand it to twice the size, I'll move it out of my userspace and into mainspace. Viriditas (talk) 22:16, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

E Ola Ke Alii Ke Akua

Unless short articles like this can be significantly expanded, they should probably be merged into a single "Songs of Hawaii" (or similarly titled) article. Viriditas (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Infobox and map

I apologize for not responding. I will try to do so shortly. Thanks for reminding me. Viriditas (talk) 08:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hawaii Ponoi

Does Ka Mea Ki ‘eki ‘e =Highness?

Yes. It could also mean "His Excellency." From the Hawaiian Dictionary: In 1845 the legislature conferred the title Mea Kiʻekiʻe upon the premier, probably best translated His Excellency. Ka Mea Kiʻekiʻe, Kamāliʻi wahine Luisa, Her Highness, Princess Louise. —Kal ^(talk) 05:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It could be; foreign letters are used fairly often in Hawaiian words. s and t are some of the more common ones. —Kal ^(talk) 01:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Kalaniōpu‘u was living when Captain Cook arrived (he ordered his kahuna to greet Cook with the Kumulipo), so Asa Kaeo would have lived in the time of the foreigners too. —Kal ^(talk) 04:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I see you already knew that (I think). x) —Kal ^(talk) 04:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Family tree

Hi, just saw the family tree you are creating at User:KAVEBEAR/Hapa Haole Royal Tree. Were you aware that there is a family tree template that can be used on Wikipedia instead? It's at Template:Familytree. I've used it myself here. -- role^player 23:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at the instructions at Template:Familytree. They helped me out a lot when I was creating mine. -- role^player 23:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Kingdom of Oahu sources

I'm going to try and get to this later today. I apologize for the delay. Viriditas (talk) 13:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

A note about page moves

Hello, KAVEBEAR. I came across the page Royal School, which you moved to Royal School (disambiguation) in June of this year. I wanted to remind you to please use the "move" button at the top of the page to move articles, instead of using copy/paste. The reason for this is that unless the page is moved via the "move" button, the article is separated from the edit history. This is a problem because the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License (the terms under which all Wikimedia content is licensed) specifically requires that all contributors be credited for their work; this is accomplished through the edit history. By severing the two, the GDFL is essentially voided. I've undone the move to Royal School, and merged the histories, so don't worry about this one. If you've moved other pages in this manner, please let me know so I can merge them back together. Also, if you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Regards, Parsecboy (talk) 00:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Okey Dokey! I will next time.KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Kūkaniloko

It's possible that the Kū in Kūkaniloko refers to the god Kū. But kū also has other meanings that could also be applied to the "cry from within" meaning, such as "having the quality of a cry from within" or something similar. I guess it would require research to determine the exact meaning of Kūkaniloko. —Kal ^(talk) 05:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 02:49, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Kavebear, are you going to argue and vote support on the deletion page? Viriditas (talk) 11:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Ulu

The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear ʻulu is breadfruit. But ulu, without the ʻokina, can mean "to grow/increase/spread", "possessed by a god", "inspired by a spirit", or "grove".

Ulumaika is actually ʻulu maika. In this case, ʻulu means "round, smooth stone". maika means a game similar to bowling. ʻUlu maika, in general, is a bowling-type game where you try to roll a stone through two sticks. —Kal ^(talk) 07:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

My interpretation:

Mopua married Kauaamano, who is probably Mauian. Mapua's only son was Kalahumoku II, who succeeded him. Mopua's personal ʻulu maika, which was passed down to his son, granddaughter, great-grandson, great-great-granddaughter, great-great-great-grandson, and finally to Elizabeth Pratt, is now at the Bishop Museum. Through the generations, it was the duty of the family kahu to care for the ʻulu maika. Made of coral rock, the ʻulu maika's number is 5013.

One question: what does the "number" of the ʻulu maika mean? —Kal ^(talk) 03:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't be sure. At first glance it looks like something about the highness of the sun. In what context is the phrase used? —Kal ^(talk) 03:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Tabu and kapu are the same thing, just spelled differently. (The English word taboo came from tabu/tapu.) In Ka Poo Hoolewa i Ka La, Ka Poo is not a misspelling of kapu. In proper Hawaiian spelling, the phrase is Ka Poʻo Hoʻolewa i Ka Lā.

Also, I found out that poʻo hoʻolewa is in the dictionary. It means "a very taboo chief whose shadow might not fall on himself or on any other person; he was carried about at night." Literally, it translates to "carried head". So I'd guess that Ka Poʻo Hoʻolewa i Ka Lā means "the head carried in the sun" or something. —Kal ^(talk) 06:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

September newsletter

Out of respect for the work you are doing, I proposed covering Liliuokalani for the September newsletter. Will you have time to help me put together the material? Join me here. Viriditas (talk) 11:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I am to make any big edits anymore, at least edits that are new to my knowlegde because I having trouble with Google Books on my computer. But I can use knowlegde from other sites and what I already know. I can still make family tree and infoboxes. I could help you by giving suggesttion but don't I wouldn't want to lead it.

Tell me about what problems you are having with Google Books. If you like, I can e-mail you PDF files of journal articles and reports that will help you. You did a great job on the list so far. Feel free to expand it or make more recommendations. Viriditas (talk) 03:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Can't explain. Don't really know myself. Check User:KAVEBEAR/Liliu Marriage later on and perfect it any further if you can. KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:01,

I would be very happy if you would lend a hand with the September newsletter. You've already shared some great ideas on the talk page. Why not try adding them to the featured story section? Don't worry about making mistakes; somebody will come along and fix them. You know this topic better than anyone else and I would appreciate your time. Viriditas (talk) 01:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm still working on the newsletter. It's not going to get delivered for another 4-6 hours. Viriditas (talk) 08:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hawaii Infobox

Hi, Kavebear! This is the part of the infobox which needs to be changed in order to get another colour:

| majesty = FF7F50 | monarch = FF7F50 | prince = FF9966 | princess = FF9966 | FF7F50

The second part is for the letters:

| monarch = 000000 | majesty = 000000 | prince = 000000 | princess = 000000 | 000000

If you want the infobox to be yellow, look for Wiki article yellow and then look for its Hex triplet (FFFF00 for example). A hex triplet is what you need to type in after majesty=. Surtsicna (talk) 17:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

That's because you've missed one field; it looked like this:

{{#if: {{{regent|<noinclude>-</noinclude>}}} |

! style="vertical-align: top;" {{!}} [[Kuhina Nui]]

{{!}} {{{kuhina nui}}}

and it should have looked like this:

{{#if: {{{kuhina nui|<noinclude>-</noinclude>}}} |

! style="vertical-align: top;" {{!}} [[Kuhina Nui]]

{{!}} {{{kuhina nui}}} Surtsicna (talk)

Apologies

...for being offline. I hope to catch up in the next few days. Viriditas (talk) 09:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Lupe

In Lupekapukeahomakaliʻi, lupe could refer to a type of seaweed. (It makes sense in "Sacred Seaweed of Fine Fishlines".) Also, yes; Kawelo means the waving of the flag, and ʻAikanaka means cannibal. —Kal ^(talk) 01:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The Aloha Plumeria Award

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		KAVEBEAR, your commitment and dedication to creating and expanding Hawaiian articles on Wikipedia does not go unnoticed. This Aloha Plumeria Award is given to you in recognition of your efforts. Thank you for your hard work! Viriditas (talk) 06:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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Kingdom of Oahu

I would like to talk to you about going live with Kingdom of Oahu soon. When you do decide it is ready, in order to preserve the edit history, you will want to use the move feature to move the article out of user and into mainspace. But we should also time this, such that we can submit a DYK and GA nomination. Let's talk more about this. Viriditas (talk) 08:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it is ready yet. I still have to extend it to the end of Kahahana's reign and Conquest by Maui. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Nahienaena's Pa'ū ‎

Good job on this. This is an important article. I find it problematic to say that both princesses died of "broken hearts". That might be something poetic you would read in a book a century ago, but in the 21st century we tend to specify the cause of death. I think it would be acceptable to attribute that statement to an actual author, but otherwise, we need to be careful with that kind of wording which hearkens back to a simpler and more poetic, but less accurate writing style. Anyway, I'm going to try and upload images asap. Viriditas (talk) 04:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I am wondering, what has accurred in Wikiproject Hawaii since I stopped editing? Is there anything new, like articles I my be interested in? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Here's how to check: First, bookmark the project watchlist and check it at least once a day. It needs a major update, which I'm going to ask User:MPerel to do asap with AWB. When she updates it (probably within the week) you'll see dozens of new articles appear. Until she does that though, check the list of new articles and the archives for any you may have missed. Also don't forget to periodically check deletion sorting for any articles currently up for deletion, and the deletion archives for any articles that have recently been deleted. Welcome back! Viriditas (talk) 10:04, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Update: I just checked with MPerel and she's informed me that she's going to update the watchlist asap, so be on the lookout for new articles by the end of this week at the latest. Viriditas (talk) 09:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Removed Hawaii from Independence Day

You added Hawaii to the Independence Day article, but Hawaii is not currently a country, this list is meant to include current countries only. Thank you, Sligocki (talk) 09:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Replies

Sorry about the late responses.

Ancient Kauaians had flags?

I'm not sure.

What does Kalona mean? Like Kawelo it is also the name of a noble family.

It might mean "straight" or "direct". The other meanings of lona (like "useless") probably wouldn't apply to a noble family name.

Do you know the proper way to kahiko Haka of Oahu?

Do you mean kahakō? No, I don't, unless you have a possible meaning for his name.

—Kal ^(talk) 20:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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Akahi Nui

Hi. Mele Kalikimaka and Happy New Year! Can you tell me if the dispute on Akahi Nui has been solved? If not, what needs to happen? Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 01:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you to. And a Happy New Year. I have no idea what should happen. We really can't support or disprove any of his claims. But the article itself is pretty neutral in my point of view. The discussion on other hand are rather disputed. I plainly stated the facts, I knew to let others know a little more. My answer to the disputed is somewhere along the line of that he can't prove any of his claims, and lots of his claims are ludicrous. For one thing, the claim of support from the United Nation, is that for real? We don't know either. So, I got to say I really don't know. It is kind of sad that there isn't a direct heir to Kamehameha the Great. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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Humehume

Is finally published. Please review. Aloha. W Nowicki (talk) 21:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Also now published: Benjamin Pitman (Hawaii)‎ and Naihe

Aloha W Nowicki (talk) 22:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Naihe and House of Nobles

oops, you are right about the "half sister" mistake. I mixed up the two Keawe's again. I will fix the Kapiʻolani article too, wonder how it lasted so long. What is your source for the Mausoleum burial? Of course Naihe died 1831 (some say November, most December I think) and Mauna ʻAla was not built until 1863. I suspected his remains might have been in the ones moved in 11858 but my source did not have them on the list. Would be nice to nail down who is really in the Mausoleum (and make sure each has an article). Thrum at least claims Naihe was buried at Kaʻawaloa.

As for Miriam Kekauōnohi and Anna Kekauōnohi? I just noted that the state archives gave her an "M" as first initial for the one in the House of Nobles. Yes I know I need to finish these off, but I got distracted yesterday fixing typograhpy in each article. This started when I found House of Nobles links, which is a disambig page. First step was changing those. W Nowicki (talk) 18:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Kinooleoliliha

Aloha KAVEBEAR! Per the Hawaiian dictionary, kinoʻole means "frail or thin". This makes sense to me, because kino ʻole literally means "no body". —Kal ^(talk) 02:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Kings of Hawaii family tree

Thanks for telling me about Kaahumanu III. The reason I'm showing Kamehameha's line through his mother is to show his relation to the Kalakakua dynasty. --Nathan M. Swan (talk) 21:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Images

Welcome back. You asked about the "Saffery" web site. Not sure any of this family is notable. Perhaps you mean some of the old chiefs that are on the "mo'o ali'i" page? I think we have better scans of most of those, but will look into it after other projects are done. Most of the royal photos are from J. J. Williams, who died in 1922, so should be expired copyrights by now. Just want to make sure before we upload. W Nowicki (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually uploading the pics takes only a few minutes since I have a good internet connection here. Usually I do a pass through Photoshop to clean up contrast, crop out uneeded details etc. However random personal vanity web sites are not always 100% accurate, so if we can find better sources (or the same pic with multiple people making the same claim) that would give me more confidence that they are the right people. I think we are doing fairly well on the pictures of royalty, which is why I have been working on the articles themselves for a while.

ran across another good one at the state site: Kaahumanu III so your Kuhina Nui table looks very nice. W Nowicki (talk) 01:59, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Charles Byde Rooke

And speaking of which, recently added "He was one of the only six Europeans allow to be buried and at the Royal Mausoleum of Hawaii." without a source. the List of burials in the Royal Mausoleum of Hawaii shows besides Rooke: Robert Crichton Wylie, Archibald Cleghorn and of course John Young (Hawaii) from the U.K., while Charles Reed Bishop and John Owen Dominis were Americans, not from Europe (although probably were Eropean ancestry in the past). Unless there are other Europeans, will change to something like "non-native Hawaiians". W Nowicki (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Hoapili

Thanks for pointing out the Kuini Liliha hanai, the sources are not hard to find. One admits "many genealogists even claim that Hoapili is really her father of blood" but in general Hoapili seems to be an experienced foster parent. I'll work on it. The "Hoapili" surname seems to be common too, but do not think they are blood related I could find. Also I think Hoapili-Wahine might have been called that earlier because she was also a good friend of Kamehameha. What do think of moving Kalakua Kaheiheimaile to either Kalakua Kaheiheimalie or just "Kalakua"? W Nowicki (talk) 18:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Family trees etc.

Aloha, glad to see you have not totally retired. I did of course notice the similarity of family trees in Richard Smart (actor)‎ and John Palmer Parker had a striking resemblence to the one I did for Samuel. Did you come up with it independently? Not so sure it needs to be fully duplicated in all of them.

On another note, I have the Cahill book on John Young now. Pretty good, but I have not had time to add to articles yest since I am in the middle of other projects. W Nowicki (talk) 04:28, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I would have preferred to discuss first, but it does help to navigate. Hope to get back to Samuel next week.

As for Keliimaikai, it obviously was needed, thanks, but it does need work on the wording etc. I guess after that personal attack I was avoiding going near the Queen Emma and her relatives for a while. I did sneak one delta in, however, and it has not been messed up yet. W Nowicki (talk) 04:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Pohukaina

I was about to work on this when I realized the Iolani Palace article needs some work. One section was was copied from a web page, other links were dead, etc. So I might need to work on that a bit first. But I will put in a section there about it, I hope. W Nowicki (talk) 01:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Well it is a start at least. I did not know about it either until doing the research. As for anniversaries, from what I can tell the Centennial of the overthrow and annexation got a lot more press. Perhaps because the people on Oʻahu did not consider 1795 a "victory". The Kauaʻi "surrender" might also not be greatly celebrated, mostly because it came after epidemics decimated the population anyway. Probably the place to put details of 1810 is the Kaumualiʻi article. Not many written records at the time, but could use more that is there now. It was a major event. Anyway I started on the other side of the island chain, so not sure when I would get to it. W Nowicki (talk) 20:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Keauhou Bay

Yes, it is my pic. According to the nom form it is "the stone" but the first memorial was added a hundred years after the birth, and then this one added another 80 years or so after that, so probably best not to make any definite claims. I just say it is "the place" since from descriptions it is known to be within a few feet - it is tucked in between the cliff and the bay. W Nowicki (talk) 05:03, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Governor of Oahu

Mea culpa, you are right we should always cite sources. It was during my work on Don Francisco de Paula Marín (note the diacritic someone snuck in) and the early waterfront residents. Will try to track it down. Might have been Kamakau, although he is know to have some detail errors.

[later] I tracked it into the Greer "waterfront" paper, where it says Kuihelani was gov from 1796 and died in 1815 when Boki took over. Citations added. Greer has been known to simplify details to make the story more dramatic. So there might have been periods when there were other governors acting. For example, during the 1810 Kauaʻi negotiations. Boki was called governor in 1819, but someone else (Lydia Namahana Piʻia ?) had to be acting while Boki was enroute to and from England. Not sure we will ever know for sure, given the lack of writen records before 1819, thus all the question marks. W Nowicki (talk) 17:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Ainahau

Alas, I might be old by Wikipedia standards, but 1899 is before even my time. :-) Seriously, there might be something somewhere, I would say look at the HABs and Smithsonian at least. this one for example says "state Archives" but that seems to be vague. W Nowicki (talk) 04:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Kalanimanokahoowaha: I seemed to have drifted into the late 19th century and early 20th for now. I have some more like Parker and Greenwell to do. After the Cookes ad Gulicks. But that is getting dangerously close to the overthrow, so perhaps I should go back after a while. There are amny conflicting stories about Cook, so of course we need to be careful not to assume any one is "right". Also if this is the only claim to fame of that person, there are probably other figures that would rate articles first. Those old names make my brain hurt sometime. All the King and Queen articles should be brought up to "C" level at least too. Aloha. W Nowicki (talk) 17:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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File:Three Hawaiian Princes in California.jpg

Yes, since he died young there do not seem many pics of Prince Edward, so might need to crop him out. But the other two have their own pictures. Actually a better scan of this pic appeared in a local paper a while back, so I thought about scanning that one in to see if it was any better. This one is good resolution but the photo was in bad shape (I had to repair many scratches with photoshop already). Not sure when I will have time.

Now the interesting bit I am working on is the connection with this family and Samuel Parker. Parker, who was the Republican candidate against David, married David's mother-in-law. Then James Frank Woods, who was both Parker's nephew and son-in-law, married Prince Kuhio's window. W Nowicki (talk) 02:56, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, in case you had not noticed, uploaded (after much restoration) pic of Kanaina, and the new scanned and cropped Edward Keliiahonui. Still not the best but all we have for now. W Nowicki (talk) 22:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

No idea why this one had hats. To clarify, File:Edward Keliiahonui.jpg was cropped from the Good Times front page, not the other picture. My guess would be a photographer wanted a bunch of different shots at the same sitting, but that would be Original Research. :-) They are clearly different pictures from about the same time. The Good Times had a colorized background making it look like Hawaii that I guess was doctored, perhaps to disguise the fact that it was taken in California. See [article here] with a smaller shot of the cover. Feel free to get a better picture if you can find one. Or beef up the Prince articles with the info from this newspaper story. W Nowicki (talk) 00:52, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Huge infoboxes

It is somewhat a matter of taste: I think the infoboxes should balance the prose in the article. Thus a short article should not have a huge infobox filled with all irrelevant detail that dominates the article. Similar for pictures. So prefer to beef up article bodies before the boxes, especially if the info is redundant with the navbox on the bottom (and thus would be displayed at the same time). For example, children should only be listed if "notable" (generally tif there is an article on them) or just say the number. And dates should be in US format, since that is most common in Hawaii and sources, especially if the article already has US format dates. And the details need to be correct, e.g. Parker has some errors. I also have other problems with Parker's: he was not ever in the real military I think, it was just an honorary title for ceremonies, and only a politician for that matter for two years, so does not seem right to dominate the article with that (undo weight argument). They were pivotal years, but that is not at all what he is known for (especially since his side was kicked out). W Nowicki (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

To answer your other questions: no, please do not put House of Nobles in the boxes too; they are big enough IMO. And yes, "US" stands for "United States", and "Plenipotentiary" is just an archaic name for one of the diplomatic ranks. Nowdays they are just called "Ambassador", so do not think subtle variations in title are realy that relevant. But maybe at the time it meant some kind of bragging rights, or you got fed first at the state dinners! W Nowicki (talk) 00:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I still do not think "acting" (ad interim) offices should go in the officeholder box. W Nowicki (talk) 18:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Mokuhia

You also had a question about Mokuhia? Not sure who that is. Not in the sources. W Nowicki (talk) 00:25, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, the official records of Governor of Hawaii island only start with the 1840 constitutional creation of the office. Before then all we have is oral history. I looked up the Thrum, and he says "according to native tradition". But uses a Hawaiian language newspaper as source. There is a new translation of Kamakau's writings available online now.....I checked that, and it says Mokuhia was murdered by a rival before he could be appointed as governor, which was why John Young was selected. Since that is his only mention, I would not think he is notable enough to be listed. Perhaps in the body, but not a red link since it is extremely unlikely any relable source will suddenly spring into existence. W Nowicki (talk) 18:22, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Ka'ahumanu

If you look at the picture on Queen Ka'ahumanu at Find a Grave It shows that this is Kaumualii's grave, which just says Ka'ahumanu was his wife, it is ot her grave. This was in her article. That is, Kaumualii thought Ka'ahumanu would be burried next to him but she lived longer and by then the royal center was moving towards Honolulu. I will fix the infobox. Find A Grave is not a reliable source. W Nowicki (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Your Help Desk request regarding Timelines

Hi KAVEBEAR,

I responded to your request at the Help Desk about your timeline errors, but I'll repeat my answer here for you (I also reverted the article to just before the first corrupt timeline so the errors weren't visible):

I'm not very familiar with the the process, but I looked over the reference for EasyTimeline syntax, and it looks like, from the errors generated as shown on the last article version with the attempted timeline:

1. the 'from' attribute for Period cannot start earlier than 01/01/1800, and you were trying to start it on 01/01/1795. This seems to render the entire Period command invalid, which in turn leads to the two following errors
2. the 'start' attribute for ScaleMajor is invalid because of the invalid Period command
3. PlotData is invalid because of the invalid period command

Basically, it looks like you can't use EasyTimeline to create a timeline that starts before 01/01/1800. Unfortunately, what I don't know how to do is tell you how to fix the error or proceed otherwise. Sorry about that! Best of luck. Northumbrian (talk) 02:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow thats stupid. Whatever.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 09:21, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Descent of Kamehameha from Wakea

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Family trees

Thanks for noticing the family trees, they are still a work in progress. The whole question is where to stop. More context helps to some extent, but I think you are saying do more smaller ones that are manageable, which generally seems a good guideline. In fact I was just now thinking of doing one on the House of Keoua for example that might tie these two together. Or maybe one overall one that connects all the "houses" but that might get too complicated. Until then, I think having them refer to each other helps (at least for me) keep their relationship straight. And of course we need to do ones for the Kalakaua and Kawananakoa lines. Maybe in time, but these names still confuse my poor haole brain. W Nowicki (talk) 01:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for filling in a missing one for the {{Lunalilo family tree}}. This one is tricky of course with the triple marriages, hard to express in two dimensions. My only suggestion is to use dashed lines for marriages, although having them be horizontal of course is the other convention. And if you don't mind the template should go on a few more articles. I might have time for this later today. W Nowicki (talk) 18:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry the trees are now "irking" you. I still find them easier to understand than text. I was not making any claim about who was "important", just was trying to work on the complaint boxes such as House of Laanui which got me trying to see who they were related to Kamehameha I. But I have plenty of other projects to work on, so can let you work on them if you prefer. W Nowicki (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, looks like {{Kamehameha family tree}} greatly expanded. Although it seems confusing to me with dashed lines going all different ways. Especially one that snakes around the upper right and then goes into a four way cross? And for some reason you indented the whole thing so it goes off the page to the right. It looks like Kaʻahumanu was married to Kaheiheimālie but I thought they were both women? And it shows Pauli Kaʻoleioku a generation before Kamehameha? I am just too confused; going back to Chicago for a while. Aloha. W Nowicki (talk) 00:43, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I took the liberty of removing the extra indentation. My point is that not everyone (e.g. me!) has the window wide enough to fit the chart. Adding the extra indentation makes it more likely to go off the right, but does not add any information at all. It still does not fit for me. One idea might be to only include marriages where children were born. This would simplify it; many marriages I suspect were ceremonial only. Perhaps even we could even take Ka'ahumanu out since she never had kids.

It still bothers me to have Pauli above Kamehameha. The usual convention is to go top down for generations (oldest generation on top, younger ones below) and generally left to right within each generation. Although we often need to shuffle a bit to fit multiple marriages, and especially inter-generational ones. What often helps is to use more than one line for a generation, by mixing boxes and lines. W Nowicki (talk) 22:06, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Pauli is now better, thanks. I still disagree about inclusion based on "importance". We should not judge importance. If there is more to say about Kaahumanu, then by all means add more text in the body about her. But family trees are best to illustrate blood relations, that is, parents and children. It gets too confusing if you try to jam too much other into it. This started out just showing the ruling Kamehameha Kings. I would also drop the Kalaniʻōpuʻu marriage to Kanekapolei for example, since we do not show any kids. That might allow the removal of the odd looping line to the four-way dashed cross.

Color coding might make sense, I supose, but I am still a fan of simplicity. My other problem is that the dates are for ruling, not living as in most other trees. Something like adding a small crown icon at the dates would help illustrate that. But I still think adding the tree to relevant articles and flling in the other trees (e.g Keoua overview, Kwananakoas, Kalakauas, etc.) would come first. W Nowicki (talk) 21:43, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Aloha and 新年快樂 or seasonal greeting of your choice. I did not mean literally going to Chicago, but working on what might be closest to a dynasty (modulo Richard Daley): {{McCormick Chicago family tree}}. I am still watching the Hawaii articles and keep futzing with them as time permits. It looks like you noticed the crown icon and used it on another page. Would it make sense to put them on the {{Kamehameha family tree}} too? I know it violates my stated opinion a bit about simplifying, but I keep getting the vital dates and reign dates confused. Especially since Kam IV was younger than Kam V. Current tree is misleading in that regard.

I do have some issues with the picture changes. I know we each might be "attached" to pictures we upload, but, but we should try to be objective. For example, you removed what other editors thought was a featured picture from Kalākaua, so better have a very good reason. Also it is a bit sloppy to download pictures from random web sites (especially self-published ones). Legally, we should have evidence that it was "published" before 1923 in the USA. For example, LauraKonia.jpg looks like a crop (with sepia tone) of Laura Konia Pauli.jpg. It is also lower resolution and has much damage. Neither is a drawing. I took the time to retouch much of the damage and give evidence of 1909 publication in the Commons upload. Just giving a self-published web site as source runs the risk of deletion of the image in the future when copyrights are audited. I will start some discussions and hope to reach consensus. Happy and prosperous New Year. W Nowicki (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Haʻo

Sorry, no idea who she was. I would resort to my usual source, (which should be put in the article). It says for example the name was not used until 1853 for the church itself even though the mission was established in 1820. It also says the John ʻIʻi said it was named for a chief, not chiefess, so perhaps the reality is lost. Maybe she was a wife of a chief Haʻo, who knows? The venacular names of churches are often odd. For example, Mokuaikaua Church was named "place won by war" for the forest where its logs were harvested. And of course Hulihee Palace which means "turn and flee". No sense to us, just a name.

Sorry for not replying about the photo File:Jane Swinton Brown and Mrs. William Beckley.jpg, but not sure what the proposal is. Certainly one would need to correlate several clues from either that book (e.g. what year was it), other pictures, or other sources or would be acused of WP:Synthesis. At least it is from a book of the time (although they have errors too); more reliable than picking up pictures from random self-published web sites. I was amused when I noticed the William Beckley article. Probably not her husband. Time to complain about the European convention of calling women "Mrs. X" to obscure their real identity. Perhaps an article on the Beckley family might be in order. I think there was at least one George WIlliam and Frederick that were somewhat notable, maybe several of each name in various generations? The marriage record database, KS books, and 1950s newspaper articles available might be good sources, etc.

But there are a lot os people missing. And of course it still makes sense to beef up the prose with reliable sources in each article to balance the prose. I would say any article at "start" level should have only one picture max. Especially bad quality pictures tend to distract IMO. But that is a matter of taste. Certainly each King article for example should describe, for example, the cabinet ins and outs during the reign, juicy scandals, etc. I have still been working on the Chicago articles since there are so many sources there. W Nowicki (talk) 18:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian Time Machine

Aloha. I too, like the Hawaiian Time Machine blog, but please don't add it to Wikipedia articles as a source or link. Please see WP:BLOGS for more info. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 00:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

See WP:LINKSTOAVOID. Why do you want to use it? Is there information you want people to read about? Let me know what you are trying to do, and I'll try to provide an alternate means of doing it, within policy and guidelines. Viriditas (talk) 01:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Identifying pics

Yes, Jacques Arago had some interesting pictures, but not all pictures need to go in articles. My Hoolulu idenification was just based on circumstantial evidence, so if you want, the "synthesis" argment could be used to remove that picture. It was based on my meager knowledge of French; they would drop the "h" since there is no equivalent in French. The "r" and "l" were used for each other at the time, a doubled syllable could easily be singles, and the Hawaiian "u" would not sound like the distinctive French "u". The description in Arago's journal is that he resisted the French influence, which is consistent with the stories of his descendants that he kept the Hawaiian religion and a low profile. But all still a guess. Alas, many leaders who did not embrace Christianity were pushed out of power or killed at the battle of Kuamo'o, so were not written about by the Americans who came the next year.

Generally much more should be written on Louis de Freycinet, since his visit came at a critical time. Arago's book is in English, although it tends to be sensationalist in tone. Best would be for someone who knows better French to read Freycinet's journals and summarize. I tired to get various people to do this, and someone did write a Rose de Freycinet article, otherwise it is still an "opportunity".

And if you do not mind, a suggestion on pictures: scaling a low quality picture up does not help. It just reduces the quality further. Also a picture taken more than 100 years ago or illustration of an event that took place then is not necessarily in the public domain, unless it was "published" before 1923, I think. W Nowicki (talk) 18:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, KAVEBEAR/Archive 1! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Wikipedia, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

--Kumioko (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Kingdom politics

Aloha. I was never sure how best arrange these. I was thinking of a table in each king or queen's article. A single list article I would find generally not useful as a reader. I think editors like them as a way to get links to orphan articles, and they are useful to give a measure of completeness. The problem is the same person would often serve various different roles, or be acting for a while before an official appointment, etc. so it might be messy. You could imagine sorted by position, or person, or date, for example (maybe one big sortable table?). And of course many of the mid-tier politicians are still missing articles, so there would be many red links. And my usual comment is that the body of each king article should mention the changes in prose, at least major upheavels. W Nowicki (talk) 18:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

From what I could tell, the Hawaiian kingdom government (from about 1840 on) was based on a mix of the the USA government and the UK government. The "Cabinet" is essentially the department heads of the executive branch, running the day-to-day affairs of the government. In UK terms, they are "ministers of X" with a "portfolio". For some reason the US calls them "secretary of X". Their roles are supposed to be publicly clear, e.g. "minister of interior" gets the roads paved, "minister of foreign affairs" negotiates treaties and entertains ambassadors, etc. The UK "Privy Council" would just be called "advisors" in the US. As the name implies, the idea is that the head of government (King, UK: Prime minister, USA: President) calls on them as needed, such as crisis situations, and asks their advice which can be given in confidence and thus in private. Although it might be important at the time, the role of private advisors is hard to put in articles since there is often no "paper trail" that we can cite, just private opinions. A contemporary example I can think of might be Karl Rove for the modern equivalent of Privy Councilor while Donald Rumsfeld was in the cabinet. W Nowicki (talk) 18:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Other Hawaiians in the Foreign Mission School

I did run across a source that mentioned briefly the demise of the others. One of the Hawaiian Journal articles, as I recall. Thanks for reminding me to get back to Henry's article. I got distracted investigating how the two Dwights of the New England Dwight family were related. Not sure the others would be notable enough to pass notability requirements for their own article. W Nowicki (talk) 04:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Hawaiian Kingdom Politicians

Sorry, I do not understand your question. Normally I used the Government Office Holders database as source. It has a few mistakes (e.g. sometimes odd spellings, some like Thurston are missing, early ones are often guesses) but generally reliable. Many offices have cards that give the whole list of holders too. Does not cover many offices that are at the level of what are now county governments, alas. Kuykendall books again are good, all online and searchable. Some of the commissions might have been essentially honorary, although the board of health seemed to have power, especially of course during epidemics. W Nowicki (talk) 21:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Information on Ninito Pomare (Sumner)

Kavebear, to answer your question about Ninito Sumner, she was not born as a Sumner. She was born in Tahiti as Princess Ninito Pomare. Ninito Pomare arrived in Hawaii to marry Moses Kamehameha. He had died of measles prior to her arrival and his brother Lot Kamehameha asked for her hand. Unfortunatey for him, the future Kamehameha V had to leave for Europe and wanted her to wait for him. But High Chief John Kapilikea Sumner wooed her, marrying her on May 28, 1851. In the year 1898, Princess Ninito, died of cancer in Honolulu. I'm sorry but I can't cite anything for this information, as it comes from my family geneological information kept by my Great-Uncle. High Chief Sumner was the sister of High Chiefess Maria Sumner, second wife of my Great-great-great-grandfather, Robert Grimes Davis. High Chief Sumner was the daugher of Captain William Sumner and High Chiefess Keakua'aihue Kaneala'i Hua. Keep up the good work. I may come looking for you to try and fill in some blanks within my documentation.

Djnazz1 (talk) 06:38, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Governors of Maui before 1840s

I do not think there were written records before the 1840s, and office-holders were probably still being done by the verbal traditions of ancient Hawaii at that time. Also Lahaina was the primary home of King Kam 3, so when he was around he probably ruled directly and did not need a governor. The Hoapili article sites a 1998 Esther Mookini article in the Hawaiian Journal of History. I double checked and it is on page 19, "In May [1823] Keopuolani decided to move to Maui, land of her birth. Hoapili, her husband, had just been named governor of that island." That could be wrong, especially since the main subject of that article is Keopuolani, but I would give it more reliability than Bingham, who was based in Honolulu, and wrote his book 20 years later. Wahinepio could have been governor between March and May of 1823, and perhaps again during the time when Hoapili went to Kauai to put down the Humehume uprising, or other times as the court moved around. Bingham's book remember was mostly written from the perspective of showing how he converted "heathens" to the "true religion" etc. The journals of people like William Richards who were on Maui might be good sources. On the other hand, some of the Americans did not speak very good Hawaiian yet, and might not have been able to believe a woman could have political power (women could not vote in the US for another hundred years) so they might get details wrong too. When in doubt I suppose give them both with sources. W Nowicki (talk) 17:50, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Wahinepio: sorry I just realized you asked me some questions a while back. I have been distracted a bit by the Real World among other things. I never really learned the Hawaiian language, just was able to look things up. Indeed literally translated wahine pio would mean "captive woman". Unlike English (but most other languages) adjectives go after the noun. The "X o Y" construction I think makes the second noun modify the first, sort of like the English "of". The word p'io also has positive connotation as in Chiefess Kapiolani for example (the "arch" as in used to trap animals). It also applies to the brother-sister marriage of course, but I do not think she was daughter of brother-sister, so Wahine o Pi'o (woman born of brother-sister?) might just be a mis-spelling. Which source uses that? It is not cited in the article. Also I would probably use "Wahinepio Kahakuhaʻakoʻi" in the lead, since most sources use that. The 1955 "Maui Royalty" series for example.

As for that second name, kaha kū means "go where you please", ka haku means "the chief", koi means "to urge or implore", ha'a koi means "egotistical", urging, (or to masturbate!) while ko'i mans ax (or sharply projecting). A few similar words have kahako in them. So most likely I would spell without the ʻokina, perhaps meaning something like "the urging chief" (maybe because she was a captive woman?). Best of course would be to find a modern source that uses diacritics. I think my guess is confirmed by Kamakau this although it uses the order Kahakuhaʻakoiwahinepio as well here. I cannot find this in the English translation, however ("Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii). .. Oh there it is, page 184 near the top and bottom of page 274: Ka-haku-haʻakoi (so only one ʻokina).

By the way, I would say drop the "picture" from that article or at least show at much smaller resolution. It does not add anything and just looks like a mistake.

W Nowicki (talk) 20:24, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hawaii monarchal election, 1874, response

Sorry I have not done much but I see you added some picture, I added comments off of memory (don’t ask me to find them because I am too lazy). I am mainly relying on Ralph Simpson Kuykendall’s The Hawaiian Kingdom: 1874-1893: the Kalakaua Dynasty for the 1874 elections luckily someone put a link on his article to a website with it, so I (or you) don’t have to by the $200 trilogy. I am thinking of finishing up on the politics because it becomes too frustrating. I was working on the Africans in Hawaii (what do you call them without being derogatory) but I would like some fresh eyes. I was thinking of starting one on the Greeks and one on the British to piss off the “This (Hawaii) is America” people.

Thanks

I see you found that painting of the Riot of 1874. Thanks, I put it on the article. I filled in the riot but I need to cite the sources, Kuykendall.

-Hawaii Samurai (talk) 09:45, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Haalolu

Sorry to not reply sooner, but am afraid I have no knowledge on these folks. I have been working on various subjects that have also been neglected, finding sources as best I can. Aloha. W Nowicki (talk) 19:19, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I rather see human die...

You wrote on your user page "When it comes to animal rights and endangered/extincted species, I rather see human die." That's fine... as long as YOU are first in line to sacrifice yourself. You could always feed yourself to a starving bear. You see, on closer inspection, you'll find idealism is nearly always invaded by pragmatism. JBarta (talk) 21:02, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Ouch why do say that? I was saying that to make a point. I mean our ancestors were such .... when it came to mother nature. Please don't talk to me if you don't have any positive things to say; I don't hurt others and I don't want to be mean. It's my user page and I was merely stating my own opinions.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Wasn't trying to be mean. Just making a point/discussion. Nevermind. My apologies. Carry on... JBarta (talk) 23:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Coronations in Oceania

Thanks for the corrections you made to Coronations in Oceania, section "Hawaii". Deeply appreciated the new info you brought to the article! Cheers! - Ecjmartin (talk) 03:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Fiji coronation

I added something about Fiji's coronation practices. You should probably expand it.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Reply to your message to me.

You might already know this, but just in case you didn't, I left a reply on my talk page for you to your recent message to me. Thanks! - Ecjmartin (talk) 12:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Award

This is well-deserved, I think!! - Ecjmartin (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

		The Royalty and Nobility Barnstar
		This is awarded for your recent contributions to the Coronations in Oceania article. You have greatly enhanced the quality of this article with your recent edits, relating little-known info on coronations in Fiji and elsewhere. Well done, sir! Ecjmartin t | c 02:28, 25 June 2011

Image scanning

It would be great to rescan Hawaii images like File:Elisha Hunt Allen.jpg without the fringes, if possible. Cleanup of low-frequency noise is tedious and not perfect. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 02:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

That is what I got from the source.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Deletion

Aloha, but not sure what you are asking. You can always start a discussion on the Hawaii project talk page. Generally though I am not sure there are many active editors. Especially many older articles are "under the radar" if they have been sitting around for a long time, so have very few watchers. I would suggest merging some of the less notable ones into the related ones. For example, Owana Salazar could absorb her children, etc. Easiest would be to then convert these to redirects, which anyone can do. Or you could just add the {{subst|prod |reason}} tag to them, and if nobody objects they go away in seven days. Either would be easier than doing a full debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. The "no evidence of notability" reason sounds like it would apply. Best would be to do some searches before proposing each one to make sure they are not notable after all.

Actually, I thought you had done some moves over redirects? If so, you have administrator rights, so probably can just delete them yourself if nobody objects. I would not know how to do that. Also I may not be a good one of whom to ask advice. I have had bad experiences when I assume "silence presumes consent" (see where it got Thomas More) so caveat editor. W Nowicki (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, they are "under the radar" so no hurry in deleting them. Others will always complain no matter what you do. Try not to let it get to you. Persumably you saw another round of someone complaining about "pretender" being an opinion, but those were reverted. Certainly anyone mentioned in the press or notable for anything besides being related to someone else makes sense to keep.

As for random pictures from the net, I am always dubious. "Reine des Iles Sandwich" is "queen of the Sandwich Islands" in French, so presumably the implication is that this is one of Jacques Aragos, although it never explicitly says so (in fact, has another signature that could be from the engraver). I believe his sketches were "enhanced" by others perhaps to make them more sensational. Certainly the book in English seems exaggerated, so hard to tell. I might be an old geezer, but that was even before my time. The image is watermarked anyway so is intended not for uploading. W Nowicki (talk) 20:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Your DYK request on my talk page

This one time, I'll respond on your talk page. Please note in future that if you initiate a conversation on my talk page (or continue this one) I will only respond on my talk page to keep the conversation in one place for ease of reading, tracking, and archiving. If you can't be bothered to take a few seconds to put my talk page on your watchlist for a day or two, I'm not sure how much of my very limited time I should be dedicating to your requests. At the moment, you're much better off asking on the DYK talk page since I'm taking a break from DYK issues and will likely not be re-engaging until some real-life commitments have concluded in late September. - Dravecky (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Kaimiloa

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AfD of Duccio Kaumualii Marignoli

It appears that in creating an AfD discussion for Duccio Kaumualii Marignoli, you linked to an old AfD discussion that has been closed for 3 years. If you wish to nominate it for deletion again, please follow the steps at WP:AFDHOWTO for a second nomination. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Keoua Nui Pretenders

I wasn't quite sure what you were trying to do here. The template is still in use in articles so deletion would be premature at this point. Also I notice you're drafting another version at User:KAVEBEAR/Modern Hawaiian Royals/Template:Keoua Nui Pretenders. Could you clarify what you need done please? Tra (Talk) 00:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

My intention is to delete the entire template and move the information into my user space. Like Template:Kawananakoa Pretenders.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Greeting from Dean Kekoolani

Hi Kavebear,

I started a Facebook group called Native Hawaiian Genealogy Society. I have suggested people check out your work, which i great. You have a gift.

Please check us out and join, if you like.

I am having a little bit of a problem wrapping my mind around the idea that you are still in high school. My god, you have been blessed with big brains. I love your work.

DEAN KEKOOLANI [email protected] www.kekoolani.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dean Kekoolani (talk • contribs) 02:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I will, I have a facebook account just for KAVEBEAR, not my personal one of course.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hawaii – Tahiti relations

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pōmare Dynasty

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Adams of the staff of The Hawaiian Star in Honolulu

Do you have any family information about this person. OK...any information on this person?--Amadscientist (talk) 11:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope nothing. He was from New England and had a relationship with Princess Kaiulani that's pretty much all I know.

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translation

You will probably get a better translation from someone other than me, but here's an effort. I don't know the word "yac" and it isn't in my French dictionary, either. - Nunh-huh 18:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

42
FRANCE, Tahiti.
Declarations signed at Papeete, June 29, 1880, by King Pomare V and the Commissioner of the Republic, for the transfer to France of the Society Islands and dependencies *).
Bulletin of Laws, Series XII, No. 583.

Declaration of King Pomare V

We, Pomare V, King of the Society Islands and its dependencies, because we appreciate the good government that France has today given our states, and because we know the good intentions of the French Republic with respect to our people and our country, which it wants to increase in happiness and prosperity, wanting to give the Government of the French a striking proof of our confidence and our friendship, hereby declare, on our behalf and on behalf of our descendants and successors, the complete return forever to the hands of France of the government and administration of our states, and also all rights and powers on the islands of the Company and dependencies. Our States are thus united to France, but we ask that great country to continue to govern our people, taking into account the laws and customs Tahitians. We also ask to try all small businesses in our district councils, to prevent the inhabitants of travel and expense expensive. Finally, we wish that we continue to leave all matters relating to land in the hands of native courts. As for us, we will keep to ourselves the title of king and all the honors and precedence attached to this title; Tahitian flag with [yac] French may, when we want, continue to fly over our palace. We also wish to retain the right of pardon which was granted to us by the Tahitian law of March 28, 1866. We make this statement to the royal family, chiefs and people, that they may hear and respect it. Papeete, June 29, 1880.

The King Pomare V.
The Chiefs, Maheanuu. Aitoa. Hitoti Manua. Tere a Patia. Montrai a Tàhiro. Teriinoharai. Roometua. Maihau Tavana. Terai a Faaroau. Tariirii Vekiatua. Teriitapunui. Maraiauriauria. Ariipen. Tuahu a Rehia. Toni a Puohutoe. Matamao Teihoarii. Opuhara. Matahiapo. Raihanti. Tiihiva.
The Interpreters, J. Cadousteau. A. M. Poroi.

First statement of the Commissioner of the Republic.

We, Commander, Commissioner of the Republic to the French settlements in Oceania, acting under the powers were given to us, declare accepted, on behalf of the Government of the French Republic, the rights and powers which have been conferred to us by Her Majesty Pomare V, together with all the chiefs of Tahiti and Modra,
We declare, therefore, subject to the ratification of the French Government, that the Society Islands and their dependencies are reunited to France. Papeete, June 29, 1880.
J. Chessé.

Second statement of the Commissioner of the Republic.

We, the commander of the French establishments in Oceania, Commissioner of the Republic near the Society Islands and dependencies,
In view of the presentation to the Government of the French Republic, by King Pomare V, of all rights and powers on the Society Islands and dependencies,
Acting under instructions and authority was given to us, let us pledge on behalf of France, to pay, from 1 July 1880:
To His Majesty Pomare V, an annual lifetime pension of sixty thousand francs 60,000
To Her Majesty Marau Taaroa Salmon, an annual pension and annuity of six thousand francs 6,000
To princes Tamatoa and Teriitapunui, brothers of the King, a lifetime annual pension of six thousand francs 12,000
To Teriivactua, daughter of Tamatoa, and to Teriinavaharoa, adopted daughter of Teriitapanui, an annual pension of twelve hundred francs 2,400
To Isabelle Schaw, known as Princess de Joinville, widow of Prince Tuavira Joinville, and sister-in-law of the king, a lifetime annual pension of six thousand francs 6,000
On the death of princes Tamatoa and Teriitapunui, half of the annual pension for life enjoyed by these princes will revert to the wives and children of the above.
The pension granted to the Princess of Joinville will revert to the head of the young Hinoi Arii, son of the princess.
The young Hinoi will be raised at the expense of the French Government.
The French Government will also pay an annual pension and an annuity of six hundred francs to Tereré a Tua, a member of the royal family 600
There will be paid in addition as a reward for services rendered:
To Arii Paea, ancient chief, an annuity for life of eighteen hundred francs 1,800
To Aitu Puaita and to Taharuru, to Teihuarii, each a life annuity of twelve hundred francs 2,400
Total 91,200

All pensions indicated above, paid in lieu of those currently affected by the interested parties, are not transferable, [they are] intangible and inalienable. We have committed, moreover, to have paid by the Government of the French Republic, the deaths debts at the death of the late Queen Pomare IV, mother of the King, according to the state which has been prepared, and also to complete as soon as possible the construction of the palace. Papeete, June 29, 1880. J. Chessé.

• ) see the Law on Ratification of the acts, N. R. G., 2nd Series, VI. 506.

Kawaihae

Hi, As far as I can make out both Cook and King visited the area only once on 6th February 1779. They were looking for a safe mooring and sent Bligh to survey the bay. After the mast was sprung on the 7th/8th they returned to Kealakekua Bay. When they set sail again after Cook's death they headed NW away from the coast. At the end of the chapter in King's account of the voyage he gives a general description of the area which includes mention of Toeyah- yah, as he calls it. In some editions this general description is dated as March which might have given rise to the confusion. The Bligh map seems to confirm just the one visit by the ships.--Harkey (talk) 18:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Map of the Hawaiian Islands

DYK for David Kamehameha

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Greeting from Dean Kekoolani

Hi Kavebear,

I started a Facebook group called Native Hawaiian Genealogy Society. I have suggested people check out your work, which i great. You have a gift.

Please check us out and join, if you like.

I am having a little bit of a problem wrapping my mind around the idea that you are still in high school. My god, you have been blessed with big brains. I love your work.

DEAN KEKOOLANI [email protected] www.kekoolani.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dean Kekoolani (talk • contribs) 02:21, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I will, I have a facebook account just for KAVEBEAR, not my personal one of course.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hawaii – Tahiti relations

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Andrew Adams of the staff of The Hawaiian Star in Honolulu

Do you have any family information about this person. OK...any information on this person?--Amadscientist (talk) 11:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope nothing. He was from New England and had a relationship with Princess Kaiulani that's pretty much all I know.

translation

You will probably get a better translation from someone other than me, but here's an effort. I don't know the word "yac" and it isn't in my French dictionary, either. - Nunh-huh 18:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

42
FRANCE, Tahiti.
Declarations signed at Papeete, June 29, 1880, by King Pomare V and the Commissioner of the Republic, for the transfer to France of the Society Islands and dependencies *).
Bulletin of Laws, Series XII, No. 583.

Declaration of King Pomare V

We, Pomare V, King of the Society Islands and its dependencies, because we appreciate the good government that France has today given our states, and because we know the good intentions of the French Republic with respect to our people and our country, which it wants to increase in happiness and prosperity, wanting to give the Government of the French a striking proof of our confidence and our friendship, hereby declare, on our behalf and on behalf of our descendants and successors, the complete return forever to the hands of France of the government and administration of our states, and also all rights and powers on the islands of the Company and dependencies. Our States are thus united to France, but we ask that great country to continue to govern our people, taking into account the laws and customs Tahitians. We also ask to try all small businesses in our district councils, to prevent the inhabitants of travel and expense expensive. Finally, we wish that we continue to leave all matters relating to land in the hands of native courts. As for us, we will keep to ourselves the title of king and all the honors and precedence attached to this title; Tahitian flag with [yac] French may, when we want, continue to fly over our palace. We also wish to retain the right of pardon which was granted to us by the Tahitian law of March 28, 1866. We make this statement to the royal family, chiefs and people, that they may hear and respect it. Papeete, June 29, 1880.

The King Pomare V.
The Chiefs, Maheanuu. Aitoa. Hitoti Manua. Tere a Patia. Montrai a Tàhiro. Teriinoharai. Roometua. Maihau Tavana. Terai a Faaroau. Tariirii Vekiatua. Teriitapunui. Maraiauriauria. Ariipen. Tuahu a Rehia. Toni a Puohutoe. Matamao Teihoarii. Opuhara. Matahiapo. Raihanti. Tiihiva.
The Interpreters, J. Cadousteau. A. M. Poroi.

First statement of the Commissioner of the Republic.

We, Commander, Commissioner of the Republic to the French settlements in Oceania, acting under the powers were given to us, declare accepted, on behalf of the Government of the French Republic, the rights and powers which have been conferred to us by Her Majesty Pomare V, together with all the chiefs of Tahiti and Modra,
We declare, therefore, subject to the ratification of the French Government, that the Society Islands and their dependencies are reunited to France. Papeete, June 29, 1880.
J. Chessé.

Second statement of the Commissioner of the Republic.

We, the commander of the French establishments in Oceania, Commissioner of the Republic near the Society Islands and dependencies,
In view of the presentation to the Government of the French Republic, by King Pomare V, of all rights and powers on the Society Islands and dependencies,
Acting under instructions and authority was given to us, let us pledge on behalf of France, to pay, from 1 July 1880:
To His Majesty Pomare V, an annual lifetime pension of sixty thousand francs 60,000
To Her Majesty Marau Taaroa Salmon, an annual pension and annuity of six thousand francs 6,000
To princes Tamatoa and Teriitapunui, brothers of the King, a lifetime annual pension of six thousand francs 12,000
To Teriivactua, daughter of Tamatoa, and to Teriinavaharoa, adopted daughter of Teriitapanui, an annual pension of twelve hundred francs 2,400
To Isabelle Schaw, known as Princess de Joinville, widow of Prince Tuavira Joinville, and sister-in-law of the king, a lifetime annual pension of six thousand francs 6,000
On the death of princes Tamatoa and Teriitapunui, half of the annual pension for life enjoyed by these princes will revert to the wives and children of the above.
The pension granted to the Princess of Joinville will revert to the head of the young Hinoi Arii, son of the princess.
The young Hinoi will be raised at the expense of the French Government.
The French Government will also pay an annual pension and an annuity of six hundred francs to Tereré a Tua, a member of the royal family 600
There will be paid in addition as a reward for services rendered:
To Arii Paea, ancient chief, an annuity for life of eighteen hundred francs 1,800
To Aitu Puaita and to Taharuru, to Teihuarii, each a life annuity of twelve hundred francs 2,400
Total 91,200

All pensions indicated above, paid in lieu of those currently affected by the interested parties, are not transferable, [they are] intangible and inalienable. We have committed, moreover, to have paid by the Government of the French Republic, the deaths debts at the death of the late Queen Pomare IV, mother of the King, according to the state which has been prepared, and also to complete as soon as possible the construction of the palace. Papeete, June 29, 1880. J. Chessé.

• ) see the Law on Ratification of the acts, N. R. G., 2nd Series, VI. 506.

DYK nomination of David Kamehameha

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Kaimiloa

Hello, you asked me to translate the Japanese article for Kaimiloa and add it to the English article. However, I have just read both articles and the Japanese version seems to have been translated (and shortened) from the English article, and as such it contains no new information that I could add. However, the Japanese has an info box, which I have translated thus:

Kaimiloa (Gunboat)

Picture Caption: Kaimiloa docked at Honolulu

History

Launch: Feb 1871 Commissioned: 28th March 1887 Decommissioned: 30th Sept. 1887 Later: Incinerated in 1910

Details

Ship Type: Gunboat, Training Ship Displacement: Gross tons 291t Length: 127ft 8in Width: 25ft 3in Depth: 11ft 2in Engine: Single-axis twin stage exapansion steam engine 60hp Speed: 8kt Crew: 67 Weaponry: 4 x 4in cannons, 2 x gatling guns

Notation His Hawaiian Majesty’s Ship Kaimiloa

You can add this to the Enlgish article if you wish. I also added an interwiki link between the JA and EN articles. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 18:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Abel-Nicolas Bergasse Dupetit Thouars

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Hawaiian Info about John Owen Dominis

Hi KAVEBEAR: I am a descendent of the Dominis family and I am trying to research my family tree. I see that you show Captain John Owen Dominis's Death date as 1891. This does not agree what the family has always passed on about the way he died. I would like to know if you have actual information to back this up? If you do then I would like to find out where you found it so I can document this information and add it to my family tree. It's just that they have always been so sure that he came to a different ending and it was family lore.

I am so glad that you are enjoying your research of the Hawaiian islands. It is good to have a passion. We have always been very proud of our relationship to the Queen and she held my grandmother and would stay at our family home at the time in Oakland while she traveled back and forth while in negotiations with the American government. Washington Place was our family home. My father actually went there and toured it about thirty years ago.

Below is a link to a video my father sent me that was a documentary about The Last Queen and they actually agree with our family's version of how Dominis died. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/hawaii/program.html

Please let me know what you have.

Thank you, Owltalk (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I am Michelle. I want to help you with articles about Hawaii. I am also very interested in culture of that beautiful country. We can make articles together! What you think? -Mychele (talk) 17:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.53.179.233 (talk)

Thanks, Kavebear, on editing of pages. I must also thank you on that you are wrote so many pages about Hawaii. It's very interesting topic, isn't it? --Mychele (talk)

DYK for James Harbottle Boyd

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thanks, but...

...are you sure those dogs are Poi Dogs? They don't look like the drawing in Desmond Morris's reference book, "Dogs". Also, why would the Queen be painted with a Poi Dog? I thought that they had a status in Hawaiian culture such that it would be like Queen Elizabeth being painted holding a pig. Are you 0 sure they are Pois? Chrisrus (talk) 05:06, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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Prince Punuariʻi Teriʻitapunui Pōmare

Hi Kavebear, sorry for the delay. Regarding the translation of Prince Punuariʻi Teriʻitapunui Pōmare, I've started working on it in my sandbox. I'm quite busy at the moment, so I can't guarantee how much I will be able to contribute. Jean ^(t·c) 23:48, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

allright for my part, are you still in the need ? Prosopee (talk) 06:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done Prince Teri'itapunui Pomare translated. --Prosopee (talk) 09:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kavebear, the Pomare translation looks as if it has been done already. I'll see what I can do about the other one. I love Hawaii and its history.... Evangeline (talk) 12:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Royal Coat of Arms of Hawaii request

Dear Kavebear,

Firstly I would like to apologize for the delay, there is absolutely no excuse for making you wait for so long without replying to your request. Secondly I will be uploading the other version (the one depicted on the gates of the palace) very soon. If I made a mistake or if you want anything altered please feel free to leave me a message, Sorry again. Regards, Sodacan (talk) 18:15, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

• 
  First one
• 
  Second one

Thanks a whole lot. This coat of arm is perfect.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you have anymore information on the coat of arms? if there are enough sources we could start: Royal Coat of Arms of Hawaii, that would be awesome. Sodacan (talk) 18:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Plenty but I don't have the currently with all my schoolwork.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem, completely understand! I know only a little bit about Hawaiian history, did not know the supporters on either side were actual historical figures, and twins for that matter. Just thought that they were ordinary Koa warriors. Sodacan (talk) 18:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

The stripes on the lower right part of the shield seems to be different. It is suppose to end in blue like this one with nine stripes there and eight on the top left. Nine or ten stripes still disagrees with all the rest of the coats of arms. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Sodacan (talk) 19:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Also if you are ever feeling like you want to do some more there are different versions of this coat of arms on the online Iolani Palace collection.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:16, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I am drawing this version, which is also the one on the palace gates, should be finished soon. Sodacan (talk) 19:23, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay. The one on palace invitation is the one I had more in mind; this or this. It's Kalakaua's much more imperial and grandiose version.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I will make that one instead. Sodacan (talk) 02:56, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Uploaded the second one, the grand Kalakaua coat of arms is coming soon. Question, I am assuming that the order on this coat of arms is the Order of Kamehameha I?. Sodacan (talk) 16:07, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks it looks great. Yes, it is the order of Kamehameha I, Knight Grand Cross, seen here. Also do consider both link when creating it, I would trust the Iolani Palace this link also.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Could you improve these two images File:Crown of Hawaii.svg and File:Princess Kaiulani Flag (1875-1899).svg by adding your version of the crown and coat of arms to it? And could you please touch up the drawing of the cronw on File:Kuhina Nui flag.svg? Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:52, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Also one last thing, what is your opinion on the skin tone? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I will upload a new version of the crown and those flags. As for the skin tone, I don't really have an opinion, I have made it (in my view at least) the most 'realistic' it could be. So it's probably better if you just give me some advice instead! the colours are easily changed so it's not a big deal if you wanted it altered. Also I now have a copy of: 'Hawaii's great seal and coat of arms' by Meiric K. Dutton, 1960, so I might start expanding on the Seal of Hawaii soon. Sodacan (talk) 03:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR, you know that I respect you. I am sorry. I cannot say anything else. I maybe was not sure what I was doing. - Mychele

Julia Alapai

I don't have time to look into it at the moment, but based upon my glance, I agree that someone should not create an article from your userspace draft. You might be upset (I probably would be) but I urge you to remain calm and simply request that it should be deleted. I think it is likely that when an admin takes the time to sort it out, it will get deleted. If not, please contact me, and I will look into it when I return home Thursday.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:21, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I have declined your request for speedy deletion, because the article is not a copyright violation. I'm not judging whether or not it's right that someone copied and pasted content out of your userspace draft, but it's not a copyright violation because you don't own a copyright on that content. My advice would be to simply ignore the article for now, and when your userspace draft is completed, ask me or any admin to move it into article space for you. Circumstances permitting, we may be able to delete the current article and replace it with yours, so that the attribution history comes with it. —SW— ^converse 14:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Scotty, first congrats on getting the bit, I followed your nomination. I didn't have the time to do enough due diligence to weigh in, but I was almost certain to support.

On the merits, I think you are correct that this isn't a copyvio, but I'm not sure. The license requires proper attribution, and I don’t see any evidence that attribution was supplied. So perhaps it is a technical violation. It might be useful to check this out (Moonriddengirl being the obvious expert) but I'd prefer not to old up doing the right thing over bureaucratic technicalities. If we do have a formal policy prohibiting such rude appropriation, then we can delete based upon that policy, but if we don’t, it strike me as a possible situation for IAR. While removing an article might not, on the surface, sound like an improvement to the encyclopedia, failure to remove such an article might discourage good-faith editors from staying. Please consider deleting it on IAR grounds, requesting an opinion from MRG on the merits on the copyright issue, and asking Mychele Trempetich if they have some justification for their actions, or if it was just a mistake.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't think there are any policies and guidelines to help us in this situation, because it is a very unusual and uncommon situation. I don't think I've ever come across someone just randomly copying and unfinished userspace draft into article space. I agree it's quite rude, if it was done knowingly and intentionally. Has anyone tried to contact the editor who copied the article to find out what he/she was thinking? If we can get that editor to agree to the article's deletion, it would make things a lot easier. I'll post a message on their talk page. —SW— ^confer 14:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Mychele Trempetich (talk · contribs) said it was accidental: "I maybe was not sure what I was doing." Goodvac (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

The content is licensed under CC-BY-SA, which mandates attribution to the original source. No attribution was provided, so the article is a copyvio. Sure, we could add attribution in an edit summary, but that doesn't go along with the spirit of Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Repairing insufficient attribution, which was to preserve good faith content copied from other articles. This is a vastly different situation, as another user is actively writing the content and will eventually move it into mainspace. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive230#Copying other user's sandboxes into main space... for an example where IAR was used to delete an article improperly copied from another's userspace. Goodvac (talk) 14:53, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

It's an attribution problem, but I still don't think it satisfies WP:CSD#G12. Doing an IAR delete is tempting, but I'd rather not overstep my bounds on my third day of being an admin. I have no problem deleting the article under G6 when KAVEBEAR is ready to move the userspace draft into article space, and I'd have no problem deleting it under G7 if User:Mychele Trempetich agreed. I'd like to wait and see if Mychele responds to my questions on her talk page. —SW— ^{spill the beans} 15:06, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

That's reasonable; let's hope she agrees to a G7, though technically she didn't write the content ("provided that the only substantial content to the page ... was added by its author"). Goodvac (talk) 15:25, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello! I am Michelle of Croatia. I am very concerned. It seems that I made great mistake and that we have an unusual problem. I made article about Hawaiian noblewoman Julia on my Croatian wiki - Julia. I used content of KAVEBEAR'S sandbox page. It is OK to translate from one to another Wikipedia.

Of course, this is not a problem. I tought this: KAVEBEAR is my friend and companion. I took information from him and created article. I did not think this is rude because KAVEBEAR would create article anyway, and really there is only good faith in my works.

This is between me and KAVEBEAR, but: could you tell him that I am very sorry? He once said that my work is not very useful. I really didn't know that I made something wrong. I helped Wikipedia by creating an article, right?. -- (Your Mychele)

Michelle, you also created the article on the English Wikipedia, using part of KAVEBEAR's userspace draft, which is not yet complete. You have essentially put half of an unfinished draft into article space, and it is causing problems. Would you be ok if we deleted the article for now, until KAVEBEAR's draft is complete? Please let us know. Thanks. —SW— ^verbalize 17:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, yes, but can my article on Croatian wiki remain?(Mychele)

Thanks, the article has been deleted for now. KAVEBEAR, please move your userspace draft into article space whenever it is ready. Michelle, your article on the Croatian wiki should be able to remain. I certainly won't (and can't) delete it. You may want to revise it once KAVEBEAR's article is complete. —SW— ^gossip 17:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help, people. I just didn't want all my work to go to nothing. And Mychele, I accept your apology and I encourage you to continue at your work. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I am glad that we are now OK. - Your Mychele)

How happened, dear KAVEBEAR, that you are so interested in cultures of the oceans? I am interested too. From what I can see, you are now editing Huahine, am I right? --Mychele)

The intro and infobox is the only part I am adding. I am interested but I want to write good articles for these figures and not mere genealogical data. I going to rewrite the article later on when I finish it. If you create articles for Tamatoa III and IV, there is a confusion in their regnal numbers that is only discussed in modern history books in French Polynesia which are all in French and can't be found on the internet. You might want to read into those books.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, of course.-Michelle

Help

File:Keopuolani.jpg

Look at this image that I created in photoshop. What you think?--Mychele

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.198.36 (talk) 07:32, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear KAVEBEAR, please help me. I am editing Hittite history. I must delete this article - Paduhepa, because there is another, true article for that woman - Puduhepa. Paduhepa is just another spelling and somebody created article with that name without knowing that there is a real article. What should I do? - -- Your Mychele

Just redirect it. I think you figured it out already.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I would advise you not to use it because it doesn't look professional, this is an encyclopedia of course, and Keopuolani's portrait is definitely protected under copyright and can't be used on wikipedia without the express permission of the artist/copyright holder.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:52, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I understand. I must talk with you, KAVEBEAR. I respect you, KAVEBEAR, and I simply cannot to avoid to tell you: I must thank you because all articles about Hawaiian figures on my Wiki - about chiefs and queens - would not be written without you, without your help. Thank you, KAVEBEAR. I am your friend. :) --Mychele — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.124.58 (talk) 14:07, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Happy Easter, dear KAVEBEAR! Let your life be good, full of joy and let it be glad to you for being alive! With all wishes of good fortune, Your Mychele — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.204.155 (talk) 17:45, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Graphics Lab reply

Hi. I was looking at your request regarding the flags of hawaii. Some of them are already available. I will take a look at the rest. Roshan220195 (talk) 16:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Graphics Lab reply

Hi. I was looking at your request regarding the flags of hawaii. Some of them are already available. I will take a look at the rest. Roshan220195 (talk) 16:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Bora Bora map

Take a look a this map[1]. Is it OK (one island is missing because it lies far away)? I selected untypical contrast colors because some island are very small. If you think it is ok I will upload it from ShareMap to Wiki Commons. --Jkan997 (talk) 21:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Nope, this map can't be used since the nucleus of the kingdom is in Bora Bora, the island you left out.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Bora Bora is on the map (you have only to scroll). The only missing insland is Manuae - take a look at this link http://sharemap.org/mapcontent/admin/Kingdom_of_Bora_Bora.jpg --Jkan997 (talk) 13:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Ranavalona III at FAC

HI Kavebear, the article on Ranavalona III is up for review at Featured Article Candidates here. I'd welcome your feedback and support. Cheers, Lemurbaby (talk) 04:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Update - the article now has 2 of the 3 required "support" votes to be ranked at FA. If you could kindly take a minute to visit and, if you think it's at FA quality, leave your vote of support, I'd much appreciate it. Lemurbaby (talk) 20:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. The article was promoted to FA today thanks to your providing the third vote of approval. Keep up the great work on your Hawaii-related articles and let me know if you're ever putting one of them thru GA or FA and need a reviewer. Lemurbaby (talk) 13:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Society Islands

You might want to check the caption for the image you just added to Society Islands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.173.213 (talk) 07:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Peleuli

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Kawaiahaʻo Church pastors

I've been working on the list of Kahus (pastors) at Kawaiahaʻo Church. It looks like you put the original list on the page Sept 2011. Just want to verify your source on the years of service for Kamau and Kahele. I find no sourcing (yet) on William Kamau. However, for Edward Kahale, I think he might have also served there in a different capacity before becoming Kahu, based on this 1922 report from the Hawaiian Evangelical Assn, and this Edward Frances Kahale Sr. at Find a Grave, which cannot possibly be him. Maile66 (talk) 12:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

It was an email from the current pastor of Kawaiahaʻo.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Elizabeth Sinclair

It has come to my attention that User:Stuartyeates created Elizabeth Sinclair on 15 January 2012‎.[2] This is just a note to let you know that I'll be merging User:Viriditas/Elizabeth McHutcheson Sinclair into that new article. Some of the content you added there will need to be rewritten before merging due to close paraphrasing. Viriditas (talk) 10:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Same problem over at Niihau. These edits you made were closely paraphrased (and in some cases copied) directly from published sources.[3] Please remember to write all material in your own words. Viriditas (talk) 12:20, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Where did I copy the things in Niihau from? This was from a long time ago, so I don't remember anymore. I searched the first sentence. I couldn't find anything or anywhere I copied it from except sites that are just copies of wikipedia. Can you say where I copied/paraphrased it from because it doesn't seem like I did? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:37, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, in this example, it looks like you were working from a copy of Joesting (1988). You started off by uploading a free image from page 64 of the book,[4] and then you added the image and an entire paragraph to the article without adding a citation.[5] The words "because of the high quality of yams grown there" is from page 64.[6] The words, "goats and pigs, as well as seeds for melons, pumpkins, and onions" is from page 39.[7] I haven't checked the rest, but we've discussed this before, haven't we? Instead of copying content without attribution, add citations and quotes if you aren't going to rewrite it in your own words. Viriditas (talk) 00:32, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay the problem here is I forgot to add a citation because I never finished it. Don't make it out like I copied the entire thing.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, this was a problem on the Sinclair user space revision as well. There are 100 or so articles within Category:Hawaiian royal houses. Please make sure they do not have any content that isn't written in your own words and includes quotes and attribution when necessary. Viriditas (talk) 05:18, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Lunalilo

I would like to bring the article Lunalilo to your attention. Please review it for proper paraphrasing and sources when you have the time. Although I don't have time at the moment to investigate (I'm out the door for a few hours) it looks like some of the material was copied from this book without attribution. I don't yet know if that is true, but I would like you to investigate it for me. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I never heard of this book, but when I have time I can go back and cite/redit some of my own edits, although the bulk of the article in the sections Election, Reign as King and Illness and death have been unreferenced since before I joined wikipedia, written by a User:Gerald Farinas.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the edit from Niihau again. Please revisit this reminder from 2008:[8] Viriditas (talk) 09:28, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Viriditas, I strongly contest this. I am going to go back and see what happen. I cited my main two sources at the end of the paragraph but lets pull out the citing every sentence card now.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:00, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

CCI Notice

Hello, KAVEBEAR. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Contributor copyright investigations concerning your contributions in relation to Wikipedia's copyrights policy. The listing can be found here. For some suggestions on responding, please see Responding to a CCI case. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 10:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Teuruarii IV

Carabinieri (talk) 08:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tamaeva IV

Carabinieri (talk) 08:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of King Haka

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Hi there

KAVEBEAR, I am sorry, but I must say this: I am very sensible person. I had several private problems in my life that influenced my several last months. I must say this. I was very hurted by some of your comments. But this is Me - I am too emotional and sensitive. Boy like you cannot undestand that.

You also probably have problems - we all have. I am sorry if I hurted you. But I cannot live in peace if you are hurted by me.

Let your summer be fruitful and beautiful!! I really want this for you.

You wrote: Please stop calling me dear, getting too friendly for my comfort and running to me and asking me to forgive you every time I leave a message on your talk page stating some mistakes you've made. I am tired of fixing these mistakes. I said this because I was fighting to be nice but I dread everytime you create an article because they are just stubs that provide nothing but whose mother/father/dog that person has and linking everything from brother "tale" to "story" to "bird".

Well, I cannot be unfriendly to anybody, neither to you, my friend. Sorry :)

Farewell to Thee! Aloha ʻOe!--Mychele (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the harsh word but yeah...--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:04, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Nothing to declare :) But, can you delete Kamauaua of Molokai redirect? I don't think that's one is necessary. Be well! And one user don't want delete article about Kekuiapoiwa's daughter Piʻipiʻi. What should I do?--Miha (talk) 17:57, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Kamauaua of Molokai should not be delete. Variation of name are okay as redirects. The redirects I asked you to delete were obscure relatives redirect to more famous relatives. Just let Piʻipiʻi be if they aren't letting you delete it. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:33, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I found solution. I think that they want to delete little Piʻipiʻi! Because there is her article on Croatian Wikipedia. I will talk with my administrators and if they delete article on Croatian Wikipedia, maybe something we can do here.

Alapai and Kamehameha

Hello! I had nominated Kamehameha I and Alapainui for good articles, but it seems that it is not allowed to nominate Kamehameha. Nomination of Alapaʻi failed, but I made corrections and I will try to nominate it again. You can help!--Miha (talk) 10:20, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but they are not good article material. Have you seen one? If they are to be brought to the standard of a good article you are looking at a collossal article like Ranavalona I using mulitiple credible sources (so books not random websites on the web) and taking in expert research and writing. I don't have the time for such a undertaking.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:49, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I noticed what you mentioned in Peleioholani's article. There IS ʻokina is his name, I think, but probably not in Kamauaua. But I found his name written as "Pele-io-holani". What you think - was he named after goddess Pele?--Miha (talk) 10:20, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

I never removed the okina in Peleioholani. No you cannot say that his name was after the goddess Pele. Please leave the Hawaiian translation to historians and linguists, not amateurs like you or me.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Urgent

Please go to CAT:CSD and for all User:KAVEBEAR/… articles, do a dummy edit to remove them from that category. (Next time use <noinclude> on the speedy tag in a template!) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Articles

Hi Kavebear, You've already done so much work to get articles on the Pacific Islands/Hawaii up to high standards, it seems only right you should get to have some shiny green plus signs and bronze stars on your Userpage! The example you gave, Wahinepio, looks very close to GA to me already. Your references look solid, the prose is good (some minor tweaks here or there might be helpful), well chosen illustrations, and it looks like you've done a thorough job covering the various aspects of her life. My question as a reviewer would be whether you've covered all the really important information about this person or if more is known (and with people who are largely known through oral history I know this can be tough to tease out). You might want to look at my articles on Andriamanelo or Ralambo to get a sense of how that kind of article can look. I'd be happy to pre-review anything you'd like me to look at, and if it's ready for GA, I'd be happy to do the formal review. It would be great if you do get these articles up to those standards and eventualy onto the main page as this is an area that - to my knowledge - only you are working on, and it really deserves to be represented well here on WP. As far as how long it takes, I kind of whittle away at mine gradually over time so it's hard to say, but I'd say I usually work on something for about a month casually before it gets up to that standard. If I really want to whack away at an article and get it up to GA over the course of a weekend or two it's very possible, but that requires really digging in, and it's hard to do unless you're really motivated/passionate about that topic. Plus it takes longer if it's difficult to find sources. Just let me know if you'd like me to properly review anything you're working on. Lemurbaby (talk) 10:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Keaweopala

See, KAVEBEAR! Others also thinks your articles deserved to be called the good ones! But I will make Keaweʻopala (son of Alapaʻi).

Should I wrote his name in the title of article with ʻokina or without it? Stay well!!--Miha (talk) 10:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Should it be Keaweʻopala or Keaweopala?

Title it Keaweopala but call him Keaweʻopala in the text.

Hay! I heard that Peleʻioholani and Kamakaʻimoku had romantic relationship and union and that King Kalaniopuʻu was possibly child of Pele. See this link, please. King Kalakaua wrote that Kalaniopuʻu was poʻolua in Legends and myths of Hawaii - "...added the intimation of tradition that Peleioholani, a chief of Kauaʻi, was the actual father of Kalaniopuʻu". What you think about that?--Miha (talk) 18:17, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

It is true, but it shouldn't deserve much more attention than a brief mention since it is merely a claim. Nearly every notable chief had two fathers. Try studying up the term poʻolua. Since were weren't there we can't use terms like romantic.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:46, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Please, can you delete this redirect with little letter "m"? - Alo of maui. The correct page is this - Alo of Maui. Thanks.--Miha (talk) 18:12, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Easter Island

I know you are all into Oceanian History especially monarchies and recently I found a article that I think you might be interested in. [9]. The Kingdom of Easter Island is generally overlooked in history but a return would be interesting. Spongie555 (talk) 08:18, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Hānai

Thank you. Maile66 (talk) 22:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Your welcome. I thought you might object but I guess I was wrong. Adding the Kahakō seems more respectful to the language.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I would never object to getting it correct. When I was going through articles to see where the word needed to be linked, I realized I had set it up incorrectly. Looks like there are a lot of Hawaii articles out there containing Hānai. Too many to catch. Somebody should have a bot for that. Maile66 (talk) 22:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you right from Hawaii! :)

I hope we see soon! Miha (talk) 09:39, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Tahitians

Hello, You might not believe something, but facts are facts, and as Malik Joyeux was born in Tahiti, that makes him Tahitian. [Need a ref?]--Education does not equal common sense. 我不在乎 05:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Signature requests

François-Edmond Pâris signature

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Article(s): François-Edmond Pâris

Request: Could some vectorize this signature in this link? Thank you. KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:08, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Is there no version with a higher resolution? --Leyo 07:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:43, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

Hawaii signatures

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  Need to remove "Minister of Interior"
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  Need to rotate and clean up first though.
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  Need some clean up there is a swish that mix with the "o" and "k".

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  One done. From the original document image file.
•  Done but should not be used.
   Done but should not be used.

Article(s): John Edward Bush, Kekūanāoa, Henry E. Cooper, William Luther Moehonua, Kekāuluohi, Kalanimoku, Don Francisco de Paula Marín, Boki (Hawaiian chief)

Request: Please clean up these images and remove any extra letterings not part of the signature. Then vectorize these signatures and name them the same name with svg on the end. KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): Boki done. Quite a number of the others are of rather low resolution, though. Do you know of any higher resolution copies? Martinor (talk) 03:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

No I don't have any. Could you do Henry Cooper's signature, clean the original and vectorize it?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:49, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I've made an attempt at it (see gallery). The source file did not have sufficient resolution (effective signature ~40x60px), and much of the signature is obscured by similar colored noise. The result is poor, and most damningly, many aspects of it was my interpretation. While it is now "clean" and "resolution independent", it is very much my drawing and is removed from a signature of HC. I recommend against using this in Wikipedia.

Well If you don't think it should be used, could you delete it then? Sorry for the bother.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

As to the rest of the requests, much of it is of a similar nature, where the information content is simply too low to have anything done with it. This takes place either in large file size but very poor quality/blurry/grainy scans, or very small images. The requests were outstanding for several months because they are almost impossible to do well. Jon C (talk) 06:04, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Really? How about the signatures for Kekauluohi, Keoni Kiwini, and Boaz Mahune? They are really high resolutions.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:37, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

They're larger files, but I personally consider them low quality scans where lines fade in and out. Others might bite... Jon C (talk) 18:34, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Signature of Armand Trousseau

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Article(s): Armand Trousseau

Request: Please vectorize the signature on the bottom... KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

Talkback

I replied on my talk page to your interesting question about the poi dog. Sorry it took me so long! Chrisrus (talk) 00:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

	The sweet Blue Hawaii for you!
	For all your efforts and your tremendous kindness! Miha (talk) 13:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Dear KAVEBEAR, it was always a pleasure to be with you. You remind me on a cocktail Blue Hawaii. There is also Elvis’ film about that. (Did you ever watched Hawaii Five-0? It’s lovely!) I am going on a Wikibreak very soon. I must, however, see for the very last time Kahiko and Mauians. I am delighted that you are my friend. You once said to me: "Do not call me nice or gentle one," but you ARE so dear to me! This is a message of love, like Hawaiian one. And now, Aloha ’Oe, because I must depart, until we meet again!--Miha (talk) 14:47, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Aloha kākou,

I'm Kuauli, and seeing that you need some help in Hawaiiana, I thought I might offer to help. I can provide information or clarification on things you're not sure about, I can translate things (I speak fluent Hawaiian). Hope we can keep in touch.

Aloha, a hui hou kāua, Kuauli

Hello

Aloha kākou,

I'm Kuauli, and seeing that you need some help in Hawaiiana, I thought I might offer to help. I can provide information or clarification on things you're not sure about, I can translate things (I speak fluent Hawaiian). Hope we can keep in touch.

Aloha, a hui hou kāua, Kuauli (talk) 23:45, 9 September 2012 (UTC)Kuaui

WP:REX#Ancient Tahiti by Teuira Henry (Tahiti aux temps anciens in French)

Hello KAVEBEAR! Is your request still open? Greetings, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 22:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Ähm, can you give me an answer, please? Or is your request free for archiving? Thank you, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 12:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Just archive it. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:18, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Journal Officiel des Établissement Français de l'Océanie

Hello,

I can't really send email from work (where I access to Wikipedia) and think it would be better if you send the request and if the answer comes back in French, contact me.

You just need to send the text bellow my signature (replace <yourname> by your name) to: [email protected]

The English part is not neccessary how you would have asked, it is a close translation of my words and you should also send it as the contact might speak more English that French.

--Cqui (talk) 13:41, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Bonjour,

Je vous envois ce courriel parce que le site archives.gov.pf indique que vous en êtes le Webmaster, si cette information est périmée, merci de faire suivre a la bonne adresse.

Dans le cadre d'une recherche personnelle, j'ai cherché le Journal Officiel des Établissement Français de l'Océanie pour l'année 1900.

J'ai trouvé sur le site archives.gov.pf, a l'adresse http://www.archives.gov.pf/jopf_liste_repertoire.php les pages pour l'année 1889, et l'année 1901 par exemple, mais rien pour l'année 1900.

Avez-vous la possibilité de me faire parvenir ce document ou l'explication de ce manque ?

Notez que je ne parles ni n'écrit le français et on m'aide pour le traduction, si vous avez la possibilité de répondre directement en anglais ce serait apprécié.

Dans l'attente de vous lire,

Sincères salutation,

<YourName>

_____________________

Hello,

I send you this email because the web site archives.gov.pf indicate you as it's webmaster, if this information is no longer accurate please forward this email to the correct address.

A personal research leads me to look for the "Journal Officiel des Établissement Français de l'Océanie" the year 1900.

I found on the web site archives.gov.pf at the address http://www.archives.gov.pf/jopf_liste_repertoire.php the pages for years 1889 and 1901 for example but nothing for 1900.

Are you able to make this document available to me or explain why it is missing?

Please note that I don't speak or read French and get help for the translation, if you have the possibility to answer directly in English, this would be much appreciated.

Looking forward to reading from you,

Regards,

French translation

Taai, Teuruarii V, lived at the beginning of the 20th century. His son Toromona, [born] 1922, Teuruarii VI, is the current chief of Moerai. Some years ago he made a journey to France for the July 14 [Bastille Day] festivities, and he presented himself at the elections to the Territorial Assembly on Oct. 14, 1962 with Tetuamanuhiri Tetaumatani known as Tau as a fellow candidate. He received an appreciable number of votes. A son Maeua, Teuruarii VII, was born in 1941.

A younger branch of the Teuruarii descending from Epatiana plays an important role at Avera, which has been a district since 1962. Atitoa a Teuruarii was chief of this area of the south of the island before World War Two. His son Ama'itera'i continued this tradition and is an uncontested person at Avera. With his brother Tairi a Teuruarii, one of the best cultivators of Rurutu, he is the owner of Te'autamatea at Vitaria on which still stands the great marae Tararoa. It is interesting to note that at Rurutu democratic elections have brought to the local administrative authority the most titled descendants of the ancient local nobility.--Cam (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK Camp of Diocletian

I'm afraid you might be confused as to the DYK length minimum requirement. DYK requirements stipulates that the minimum is 1500 characters, not 2000, as you stated here.

• Rule 2.a) Articles must have a minimum of 1,500 characters of prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc.)

Thanks for the review! Yazan (talk) 02:40, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tehauroa

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DYK for Boaz Mahune

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haw:WP

Regarding your question at WP:HD — besides going to haw:Papa nui:Nā loli hou as suggested over there, you can go to haw:Special:Recentchanges. Since Mediawiki started in English, most or all of the Special: pages (and the names of the namespaces) will work on most or all Wikipedias; try going to de:Special:Recentchanges, zh:Special:Recentchanges, or ru:Special:Recentchanges and you'll get the right page on those ones too. Nyttend (talk) 14:06, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Kipi

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Journal of French Polynesia

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French translation

Taai, Teuruarii V, lived at the beginning of the 20th century. His son Toromona, [born] 1922, Teuruarii VI, is the current chief of Moerai. Some years ago he made a journey to France for the July 14 [Bastille Day] festivities, and he presented himself at the elections to the Territorial Assembly on Oct. 14, 1962 with Tetuamanuhiri Tetaumatani known as Tau as a fellow candidate. He received an appreciable number of votes. A son Maeua, Teuruarii VII, was born in 1941.

A younger branch of the Teuruarii descending from Epatiana plays an important role at Avera, which has been a district since 1962. Atitoa a Teuruarii was chief of this area of the south of the island before World War Two. His son Ama'itera'i continued this tradition and is an uncontested person at Avera. With his brother Tairi a Teuruarii, one of the best cultivators of Rurutu, he is the owner of Te'autamatea at Vitaria on which still stands the great marae Tararoa. It is interesting to note that at Rurutu democratic elections have brought to the local administrative authority the most titled descendants of the ancient local nobility.--Cam (talk) 21:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Genealogy Mysteries

Aloha,

The answers three genealogy mysteries you have:

Kaʻōanaʻeha's father was Kalaipaihala, if her father was Keliʻimaikaʻi she would be a blood-niece to King Kamehameha I and her granddaughter Emma Naea would've ascended the throne (because of her legitimacy over Lunalilo who was the half-grand-nephew of Kamehameha I)

Pauli Kaʻōleiokū's father was King Kamehameha I, in the early days of the kingdom Pauli had tried to claim the thrown as rightly his (being Kamehameha's first son), but his claim was rejected only because of his illegitimacy. And when Kamehameha V was dying, he had asked Bernice Pauahi Bishop to take the thrown, because she was also a descendant of Kamehameha I.

Kamehameha was the son of Keōua, Kekuʻiapoiwa had only gone to Maui, for a short time, not enough to have sexual relations with Kahekili II and becomes 9 months pregnant with Kamehameha.

-Kuauli

Translation

I finished the translation. I should be accurate, the Hawaiian should be correct, though with a few (maybe) errors (though not bad enough to change the meaning, I'm onyl 12), though I'm not sure what this is, other than some sort of letter.

Samuel Kipi was a man with my in my search now. [This next part didn’t really make sense] Called the book of Dismembering Lāhui, S. Kipi, just a luna maka‘āinana (kind of like a foreman of the makaʻāina) , but, a governor at Waimea, Hawai‘i and an wise man. He left [his governorship, I’m guessing] in the year 1879 and his 43 years. [When he was 43 years old].

Hello,

The report for you: Geo L. Kapeau is done with the service of governor of Hawaiʻi, he succeeded Hanohano R. Keʻelikōlani as the governor of Hawaiʻi. And Hilo was his place of chose to work, all the work to do as his governorship service. There, the order I give to you, go quickly on business for your quarterly report , or they, with all the money for you with all the judges. Wait for me, or there will be lawsuits.

My thanks to you.

L. L. Austin

Lieutenant Governor of Hawaiʻi

Pacific Islands Monthly

Hi, I can send you that article from Pacific Islands Monthly if you get me your email address, for example by using my wikimail link. Zero^talk 09:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Territorial Extent of Kingdom of Hawaii

Aloha e Kavebear,

Taken into account all the territories that the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi annexed, with the present islands, I have calculated that the full territorial extent of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi was approximately 4,116,164 acres (about 6431 mi².

-Kuauli

The Kingdom didn't own a few of the islands at that point like Necker, French Frigate Shoals, and others were never claimed until till the Republic or after Annexation. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:57, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Alapai

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DYK for George Luther Kapeau

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DYK for Koahou

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Kanekapolei

Done. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Teriivaetua

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Aloha! I need your help!

I need to find information about a figure named Moana that apears to be a sibling of Kamehameha the G reat. Do you by chance know of any sources that can confirm this or any sources that do contain the information about the original siblings of the Kamehameha I? Any help you can privide would be appreciated! Thanks!--Amadscientist (talk) 02:25, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I believe I found some of the information you passed on but will take a look. Do you know if Keōua had any children with this name. Is this most commonly a female name?--Amadscientist (talk) 05:55, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I am researching out the name Moana as a child of Keōua. The name Kilinahe appears to be a child of Moana and Lama a child of Kilinahe. From there I am seeing Namakalele from Lama. And from Namakalele a child (girl) named Kalahikiola. Do any of these names ring a bell? Again, any help would be greatly appreciated.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:06, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

All hail KAVEBEAR! You have no idea how much you have helped me. I owe you big time sir. If you ever need any images, graphics, svg, research (although...clearly you have that down) or anything at all. Just drop me a message! This will take me some time to read through and look at but I am very excited about it. Excellent work! Excellent!--Amadscientist (talk) 08:01, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

I am attempting research from some documentation discovered by Professor James Waichiro Miller of Chaminade University (who passed in 2010). At the moment I do not have much but am hoping to get my hands on the actual research he compiled. At the moment I only have a list of names and decendants, but you were able to help me figure out the relationship between Moana and Kamehameha the Great that was missing. A huge part of all of this. The sound of dominoes falling came with your post!--Amadscientist (talk) 08:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Antoinette Manini

Ok. From a quick look I when to the Don Francisco de Paula Marín article and I think I found the discrepancy Marín was also spelled Manini such as my source and she married Lyman Swan.

DYK nomination of Kānekapōlei

Hello! Your submission of Kānekapōlei at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Vuna Takitakimālohi

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Mele Kalikimaka!

Hope you have a great holiday and a wonderful new year!--Amadscientist (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Mele Kalikimaka to you, KAVEBEAR!--Miha (talk)

your GA nom

Hi Kavebear, What are you thinking about the GA nomination for Teuruarii IV? Do you anticipate having some time to try to respond to these points in the next couple of weeks, or would you prefer that I fail the nomination? I think we're close and it wouldn't take much more to finish addressing the points I raised... hope we can get this one to GA. Best wishes for the holiday season. Lemurbaby (talk) 17:57, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for getting back to me so soon. I've responded to your edits and made a few of my own. There are still a few points I raised that you haven't responded to yet, and two new ones I think are important to address, though hopefully doing so won't require much. Cheers, Lemurbaby (talk) 15:59, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Kānekapōlei

Gatoclass 00:03, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

nowiki-ing the talk biography pages.

Quite a few of your Hawaiian Royals (and a few others) have the WPbiography templates on their talk pages. That causes the WPBiography categories to become "Polluted" and to be listed in Category:Incorrectly_tagged_WikiProject_Biography_articles. I'm in the process of putting the templates into < nowiki>< /nowiki> areas. Go ahead and remove them when these articles get moved into mainspace.Naraht (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Teuruarii IV

Hauʻoli Makahiki Hou to you and yours. I've just tagged Teuruarii IV, currently at GAN, for the Military History Project; we generally tag articles like this one. If I can help during the review, please let me know. Aloha. - Dank (push to talk) 05:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Royal genealogy

Aloha again KAVEBEAR!

So I have taken some time to look further into the information you provided, as well as what I had already found and have come up with more questions. It seems that King Lunalilo's father, Charles Kanaina, had a brother (which is mentioned in one of the links you provided, that I already had, but does not mention him as a brother) his full name is Puahi Kilinahe, sometimes refered to as Kilinahe Puahi or just Puahi. In the research I have been doing I was able to uncover some mention of a genealogy chart that was supposedy established during a "Decree Determining and Declaring Heirs" from March 21, 1990. I cannot locate this. Probably due to, what looks like a number of law suits over land and potential heirs (nothing that has been accepted. All denied as far as I can tell). I did, find some interesting law suits in regards to the Kamehameha schools that seesm to be somewhat notable, but doubt they have significance enough for an article. I am intrigued by Kilinahe though, as he is a part of the royal family and has no article. Seems as notable as Bernice Pauahi Bishop.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:26, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, this mentions the genealogy chart from 1990 but appears to repeat the same information from other similar documents. I am familiar with the hanai system, but that is an informal adoption system and not a cast system. This really made family closer not seperating thm in a traditional sense. I guess Bernice tried to adopt a couple of relatives but was refused. From what i am reading it apears the Bishops were unable to concieve. Basicly the system was meant to keep the royal families together even when others could not afford to care for them. I believe all hanai adoptions were recorded. I also think it may be the opposit of what you stated. They didn't consider them strangers, but included them as immediate family.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:22, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Requesting off Wiki discussion if you are willing

Please contact me via my email. I think you may be of assistance (I hope). Since the requested discussion is not Wikipedia related I am hoping you are willing to discuss via e-mail correspodence.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Just email me at [email protected]KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:31, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I have seen you on at least one off Wiki forum but when I went to find them again I was unable. Expect something within the next day or so.--Amadscientist (talk) 03:42, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Help with a review for the Rakoto Frah FAC

Hi Kavebear, I have an article about a significant Malagasy musician at FAC that currently has two reviews. It would need a third review in order to pass. Would you be willing to have a look and review in the next few days if you have time? Your help would be much appreciated. Thank you, Lemurbaby (talk) 03:30, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Aloha from Hawaii

Aloha KaveBear. Ive been reading up on your pages and LOVE what you been doing. I was wondering where you been getting all the information on the Old Oahu Kingdom? and would i be able to get a copy of notes? I have also been trained and educated in Hawaiian language and culture from birth, speaking and writing fluently. Mahalo for your contributions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F278:410E:5:E2F8:47FF:FE02:5504 (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Mostly Abraham Fornander's book just read history books; there are others.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:11, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Very thankful for you articles.

They are being used as links in my new novel. Strong Roads Blues and Greens and Blood. If you have the time, check it out upon its release in April. Or, if you like to read. Read the prequel Strong Roads A Spanish-Shipwreck Survivor in Ancient Hawaii.

-GEM

Very thankful for you articles.

They are being used as links in my new novel. Strong Roads Blues and Greens and Blood. If you have the time, check it out upon its release in April. Or, if you like to read. Read the prequel Strong Roads A Spanish-Shipwreck Survivor in Ancient Hawaii.

-GEM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.237.158.16 (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Tauatomo Mairau

Hello KAVEBEAR. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Tauatomo Mairau, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 20:47, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

GL Photography reply

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Hello KAVEBEAR, I've edited File:Ranavalo Manjaka, reine de Madagascar, et ses heritiers presomptifs.jpg as requested. I'm also working on Nomahanna, Queen of the Sandwich Islands. If your satisfied with my version of "File:Ranavalo Manjaka..." please mark the section with "{{resolved|1=~~~~}}". --Kevjonesin (talk) 14:53, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• Hey KAVEBEAR, I've uploaded a new cropped/cleaned version for Nomahanna, Queen of the Sandwich Islands. Still a little bit of staining at some points, but was able to fade most of it and remove some spots. Started with the brighter version and rebuilt the missing shading along the left side to resemble the other (larger gray) one.

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...if you like. Same goes for the "Nomahanna..." section as well please.

I enjoyed doing the edits. Feel free to bring more to us and "good luck" with your articles, --Kevjonesin (talk) 13:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

http://dlib.rsl.ru/viewer/01003575287#?page=152

DYK for Victoria Pōmare

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DYK for Tēvita ʻUnga

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GA reviewer?

Hi KAVEBEAR, any chance you'd be interested in reviewing a couple of articles on Malagasy kings that I have up for GA review currently? I think the reviews should be fairly easy - I pulled straight from the most authoritative and exhaustive sources so everything known about these people (which is relatively little) is there. The articles are on Andriamasinavalona (a very important early 18th c king) and his son & successor Andriantsimitoviaminiandriana Andriandrazaka, who is relatively less "famous" and so his article is a bit shorter. Your thoughts on these would be much appreciated. Cheers, Lemurbaby (talk) 07:34, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I just don't feel comfortable or capable enough to be a GA reviewer, especially on subjects I'm not too familiar with. Sorry.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Manono II

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Honolulu Catholic Cemetery

Here are some of your requested photos from the Catholic Cemetery on King Street in Honolulu. Joel (talk) 07:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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  Gravestone of H. S. Swinton from Grangemouth, buried in Catholic Cemetery, King Street, Honolulu
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  Gravestone of Napae M. Swinton, wife of H. S. Swinton from Grangemouth, buried in Catholic Cemetery, King Street, Honolulu

So...thanks again!

Some time ago I contacted you in regards to Kilinahe Puahi and his heirs. At the time you had some concerns about the notability of he figure. As it turns out this may be Charles Kanaina's half brother, and was a partial heir to his estate along with a number of other family members (we both found the estate documents from Google books). The notablility being established by Bernice Pauahi Bishop being listed as well, but as a 2/9 heir over Kilinahe's 1/9 share...although it appears that each of his surviving family members were given the same share...not sure). First, without your encouragement and confirmation that the names were truly accurate, I would not have bothered looking further as I had no documents or sources to check without your direction. While the information led to a dead end I did follow a legal case about an eminent domain sale of land being held up by a figure known as J.H. Rabago. While this as well turned out to be a dead end of sorts, it also proved to be a wealth of information in the long run. I found Ms. Rabago's research from another family member and discovered that they had filed for a declaration of heirs in 1990 and that the full list of Kanaina's heirs was given, provided by the Hawaiian Supreme Courts. The names I had listed and you confirmed to be relatives of C. Kanaina was discovered in documentation they provided (I will have to contact the courts to get real copies). In short, I have discovered a great deal about the figure and his line. OK, disclaimer...he's is my great, great, great, grandfather. But I found a good deal of primary sources and have contacted the Bishop Museum and they are familiar with him. I will be looking into the subject but think he may well qualify for a Wikiedia article. I believe he oversaw the Royal lands, but not sure yet.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:06, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't think Kilinahe Puahi qualifies as notable by Wikipedia standards. There are simply not enough reliable sources to pass for notability However, in my research I did discover someone who could be added as part of Hawaiian history and a part of the Hawaiian Royal Family in a separate article that does pass criteria. I will be gathering some sources together.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

I now have documentation from the Hawaiian Supreme Court declaring the heirs of Charles Kanaina, with a full genealogy line for almost every member of the Hawaiian Royal Family as established by the probate courts.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I would like to warn that documentation from the Supreme Court does not trump all other sources and often are as unreliable and mistaken as works performed by actual genealogists or historians who have taken all primary sources into account since land claims base on family relationship were just that claims. I have no idea what you have discovered linking Kanaina to the descendants of Kaoleioku, other than that his wives were descendants of Moana too, something already established in Liliuokalani autobiography. The family tree on Kaneikapolei is meant to portray the traditional view and even then the article states Kalaniopuu as a possible father; there is no deception or inaccuracies promote here. Even if you have dug up sources claiming that Kaoleioku had other descendants, the tree can still be used to show her two most famous descendants.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:10, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually...yes, they do. They are the established and accepted genealogy as petitioned by each subject. Don't play games here Kaveman. This is established fact. If you wish to challenge these...do so in the right place but remember....accuracy is established through reliable sources not myth and rumor. Period.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

If we are going to go round and round over this. Please get your sources together and I shall do the same and we shall seek consensus. The Hawaiian Supreme Court is indeed the final say as they are given the information as petitioned through each claim and use the most accepted genealogy work available to this day.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

As far as Liliuokalani's "autobiography" it is not a reliable source for the genealogy. It is her word against the established genealogy as accepted by the probate courts. That is what establishes the family tree. Not you.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

What "established genealogy"?! The Hawaiian Supreme Court did not have the function of establishing an accurate genealogy. I already have my sources, primary and secondary sources supporting the genealogy that have I know. I do not establish the family trees out of my heads as you are claiming. And do not discredit Liliuokalani; her genealogical charts draws from ancient chants, oral traditions and actual court genealogists of the time. Finally, I still have no idea what inaccuracies you are trying to prove here with your documents; Kaoleioku being a po'olua.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Is there a connection between the cases on Kanaina's heirs and the genealogy of Kaoleioku's descendants? Are you basing the genealogy of other royal family members on the "full genealogy line for almost every member of the Hawaiian Royal Family as established by the probate courts" attached to that case? I see so much problem with that assumption. Are there secondary sources or academic consensus on the reliability of primary source? Again I want to state you cannot call that as an accepted genealogy. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:38, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

First, back to Kilinahe. There were three Kilinahe's. The first, his son and his grandson from his first marriage and that took some time to sort out. However, my mistake in calling him a brother was from early documentation that made that claim and many other claims that appears to be very inaccurate, but was the source that led to the accurate information (or at least the title...it took weeks to locate the actual document and a lot of scrolling). Kilinahe Puahi is not notable enough for a stand alone article, but may be notable enough as one of the heirs of Kanaina for a mention on that article. The Hawaiian Supreme Court most certainly did have a function to "established genealogy". That is the entire point of probate court. To establish heirs. But that is not even the exact point is it? The Court declaration is not the source...it's the petitions from each family member showing their direct bloodline. It isn't the Supreme Court making the decisions that I base these facts, it's Ruth's declaration of who her genealogy. Point blank, Pauli is not the natural son of Kamehameha as stated by herself through her appointed representatives in open court and recorded and documented. But yes, there is secondary sourcing for this. I have added at least one source to Pauli's article. I have been in touch with the Bishop Museum and they told me that their Family tree is not to be considered an official tree and they are not the ultimate authority. They have pointed me to a number of publications, one that I have yet to find. Also, I would not wish to actually discount of disrespect the huge amount of work you have done here, just that in this one instance you have not shown an RS that states that Kamehameha was Pauli's natural father. Look, I am in no hurry here. The things I have uncovered took a great deal of time to find and I am now finding other RS to support the primary source. I am not attempting a tug of war or I would not have been upfront and transparent with you on your own talk page.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by "just that in this one instance you have not shown an RS that states that Kamehameha was Pauli's natural father". Have you read Stokes' article on Kaoleioku's parentage? You even add to his article that he was a po'olua child, thus even you admit the Kamehameha was an equal candidate for being his father as Kalaniopuu which is what Stokes concludes that the genealogy is controversial and it is best to show both fathers which I have done in the family tree. And no the probate courts cannot be the blind basis for an accepted genealogy; listen to Bishop Museum when they say that there are no authorative or accepted family trees. All genealogy and family trees I have added are rooted in many reliable sources.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

"thus even you admit the Kamehameha was an equal candidate for being his father as Kalaniopuu " No I don't. And that is not what a Hanai adoption means.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

You seem to believe that my knowledge of Hawaiian customs and genealogy is lacking or that I can't read correctly. Can I point to your edit on Pauli's article in which you added that he was po'olua child? I've never actually heard of that claim nor can I find source for it but I accepted it as the best explanation for the controversy. Can I ask where you find that he was hanai as you have claimed? When did I ever say anything about hanai or him being adopted; you made that claim and I have yet to see any source that states Kamehameha hanai Pauli. We do have sources do say that Kamehameha claimed him as his/our "child", what he meant by that (adoptive or biological or even just close relative is opened up to discussion because the Hawaiian word for child can apply to more just one's own child). --KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Some patience is requested

Look, this research is a little new to me (subject wise) and it is very confusing and difficult to keep everything straight off the top of my head. However, I am not claiming your claims are false, just not completely accurate per the sources used at the moment. I am going to stop, further direct editing of article space in the Hawaiian Royal family (you should not feel so inclined) for the moment and focus on two things. The Pauli issue and the Ruth Issue. Further research could well find something to show that the accepted bloodline of Pauli is Kamehameha, but as yet, I am unable to find it. That does not mean it is not there but that there is a great deal of reading ahead and at this point I am not prepared to make any certain claims above the fact that Kilinahe Puahi is an heir to the Kanaina estate, listed with Ruth, Bernice and several others, including Kilinahe's first wife's children. Because this started out as just personal research spawned by the discovery of a family tree researched by a prominent and well respected University Dean, my original research was simply to find out more about who I am. Unfortunately it turns out that my family does have a direct connection to many of these subjects, but since this knowledge has just recently been discovered I don't have any personal steak on anything. I am attempting to straighten out what I see as many mistakes in the current articles. I accuse you of nothing and feel you are working in good faith but clearly you have done huge amounts of work and should be commended for it. Just be a little more patient with me if you can. My goal is to improve these articles and work with you others in the process. Since we currently have a content dispute, I will endeavor to bring forward my sources when I have gotten all of this information straightened out and the sources organized. The holidays are not the best time to do this.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:50, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

I will do my best to wait for your sources. I have no idea what you are doing. What I see is you changing information and going against all accepted sources and histories brought forth by trusted academics. You may be on brink of something new but I can't trust that. I don't even think I can fully trust your discovered sources to the point of discarding all other sources as invalid as you have done. I recommend you bring your studies to the forefront, publish a conclusive study debating the issue taking account all sources and evaluating them. Speak to people at the Hawaiian Historical Society, look at Ruth and Bernice letters and records at the Hawaii State Archives, speak more indepthly with the Bishop Museum, the Kamehameha Schools or people at Hulihee Palace. Most importantly the Hawaiian Historical Society because they published journals every year on new subjects on Hawaiian history that I find most reliable. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Forget it. I just read that and frankly that was disgusting. I no longer trust your good faith in fact, the above makes it clear you are not acting on good faith but are protecting pages against changes you feel historians do not agree with...even when historians do not back up your opinion. There was more that I had posted but I decided to leave it at that and delete the rest. Please be aware that some of your actions may constitute "Ownership issues". It is great that you contribute to many Hawaiian articles, but you are not the only one who may do so.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:59, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I am glad you feel the same way because I have been disgusted by everything you have done or stated at this point and tried my best to not offend you. But glad to know we don't have to continue with this charade. I definitely believe I hold a higher standard than you would like to work towards but I could care less. When I have time I will be going back to make sure all your edits align to reliable Hawaiian sources (not my opinion).--KAVEBEAR (talk) 14:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

You failed not to offend me years ago with some of the remarks on your user page, a lot of your edits, remarks on talk pages and my perception of what I feel is a need you have to believe your research, as limited as you even admit yourself, is superior to others...not just me. Your history shows a clear lack or collaboration with a good many editors and what appears to be a pattern of accusations of "rewriting history". You'll excuse me if I am blunt, but Wikipedia is the free flow of information, not what you decide should be included or whether you feel something is or isn't important. Your own opinion of mainstream academia in this area seems very lacking as you group a few old references and call them mainstream when there are a great deal more from the period you ignore or don't know about.

By the way Kavebear...my sources only need to be reliable per the standards of Wikipedia and not to "reliable Hawaiian sources". Whatever that means. The reference need not have been published or written in Hawaii or by a Hawaiian. Although I use a lot of old newspaper articles and they are.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:52, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Liu Wu, prince of Liang

Prince of Liang as a name is capitalized. Liu Wu, prince of Liang, is not. There have been intermediate edits, but this will be your second revert. Kindly don't push for three, especially since I'm going to have to correct all these miscapitalizations by hand now and I was thanked by other editors for correcting your "improvements".

The edit history doesn't show any misspelling, but thanks if you caught one. The browser I'm on has its spell check on the fritz, so I'm winging it. — LlywelynII 09:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: your latest edits, don't take it so personally, especially when you're winning. =P Your grammar is shaky and, as far as I can tell, you still don't understand where I was coming from or that the only Chinese names that are a thing apart are the era ones; but, yep, you're perfectly right that if we've got a house style going on and it's not totally incorrect, we should hew to it. Don't get sore; just let me stew in my knowledge that the WP:WRONG version is going to carry the day. =( — LlywelynII 12:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Totally unrelated

But I really got into Hawai`ian history a few years ago, too. If you haven't already found it and are already the kind of person who gets passionate about formatting articles on minor 2000-year-old Chinese nobles, I strongly suggest checking out Paradox's Victoria II. I never conquered the world or anything, but it was a blast building up Hawai`i into something that could hold its own against, e.g., Japan and piece together a little well-run Empire of Polynesia. — LlywelynII 12:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Original research question moved

I moved your question to the appropriate noticeboard: Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Family_tree. jps (talk) 02:47, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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Just a note

Whether or not you feel I am "welcome" on this page or not....an edit summary fails to be a notification of such. Unless you actually tell me here or on my talk page, it is not an actual requests as discussion does not take place in edit summary. I also note that while you are unwelcoming in edit summary you still seem to be following my edits on Wikipedia and Commons and clearly are not doing any research to back up claims that you edit into articles or images. This site requires research that you clearly fail to do before changing or reverting the work of others.--Mark Miller (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I see no response so, let me just say this, I will remember that I am not welcome on your talk page, but I will also remember that you made no actual request for me to not post any further comments. In other words, I will avoid you talk page and will refrain from posting as much as possible, however I will not stop posting entirely until such time as you request such, as is our policy and behavioral guideline.

Look, I am not an idiot. I understand that you dislike me, resent me and probably have other feelings not appropriate to mention on Wikipedia, but...as I have stated, I have received a number of complaints about you in regards to your work with other editors on Hawaiian subjects. This is a formal request that your step back from topics relating to Hawaii, especially Hawaiian Royalty as you have proven time and again that you edit with your opinion and not with references as is the case with your recent edit on the Haalilio article where you reverted my edit based entirely on the information supplied by the image uploader from Wikimedia Commons and did no research to see if they were accurate or not. This is a formal warning that your edits appear to have no relevance to the subject and may well constitute edit warring. If you continue you may be blocked or you may be referred to ANI for a topic ban.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Please try not making this personal. I have no obligation to step back on anything nor is this edit warring. I have been trying to do my best to stay away from anything you are editing on especially Kanaina's page and not to address you at all because I know there will be argument. 80% of this above message is you antagonizing me rather than addressing the single topic I bought up. Do you understand how many file pages and article pages I have on my watchlist? I already found it awkward back in February and addressed User:Hiart on it on his talk page and never got around to it until now. In our future correspondent please keep it related to topic in dispute.

Anyway. Beside User:Hiart's testimony base on his own visit to Bishop Museum. I did do research and found the Smithsonian Institute page. I will bring this up on the humanities reference desk and possibly contact Bishop Museum to be sure. A vintage postcard is not enough source to override the Smithsonian. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:21, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

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A postcard is a reliably published source stating that the image is that of kamehameha III. It does indeed override any site that does not provide an image or how it arrived at the conclusion...even the Smithsonian.

There is nothing in my comments to even hint at anything "personal". I am very much disturbed by your editing history, or more accurately, your edit warring history. You don't do seem to do much research and simply reverting based on the uploader claim is not appropriate. The Smithsonian link does not seem to indicate a particular image or work so I have no idea what that is supposed represent. As for antagonizing you...again with your opinion, which seems to be rather biased against me. That is fine, but dude...really, you just don't do enough research, provide enough references or use what references are available correctly. This isn't a new thing for me to bring up. Not only that, but you fail to even address the fact the the portrait is very much similar to all portraits of Kam 3 from his youth. I have been doing extensive research and reading on Hawaiian history and royalty. Your opinion of many issues, subjects and topics has proven to be way off. I have already contacted the Bishop Museum, and await their answer, however, until they state that the image is not Kam 3, it should not be reverted or added back to the Haalilio article. At this time, I have provided a link to demonstrate that the image is attributed to Kam 3. The reason why I felt inclined to give you a formal warning here is because you continue to edit articles with no references to back up your claims. This has to stop. Seriously. Original research is not acceptable at Wikipedia and your work here, while prolific, is lacking in accurate content and reliable sources. To nutshell the entire thing....if you revert me again with no reference to back up your claim, I will see it as further edit warring and seek help from an administrator to intervene. I know you will see this as a personal attack (it is not) but, I have had to do a lot of clean up of your work on Wikipedia, have been contacted by numerous editors and have seen for myself the manner in which you treat others and their contributions just because your opinion differs. No one cares about our opinion here. This isn't a message board or discussion forum of the general subject. This is an encyclopedia and opinion means nothing. Reliable sources mean everything.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

You see a resemblance to Kamehameha III. I see a resemblance to Haalilio's photographs especially with his hairstyle. A postcard is not a source. It can be mislabeled for all I know. A sign at a Museum is more authoritative, which is what the uploader claims (but we can't take his word for it completely). Thus I'm deferring it to the Bishop Museum or any other more reliable source in the future. I haven't changed anything so don't worry because I don't edit without the backing of the truth and sources which is why I am trying to find the true identity.

OPINIONS! Most of my edits are base on reliable published sources which I have cited many time and you have totally disregarded base on your own OPINIONS. You seem to value different sources over others and disregard older accepted sources as false and inaccurate[11] [12]. When I stay loyal to older sources like Kamakau, Fornander, Pukui, Ii, Edith Kawelohea McKinzie's genealogy books, other secondary sources and published historical articles from the Hawaiian Historical Society...I'm drawing my knowledge from these sources not my ass if that is what you think...You disregard them totally as I've cited before. You see me imposing my OPINIONS. I see you imposing your OPINIONS. Reliable sources? You understand most of my "OPINIONS" stem from believe that sites like these are unreliable. You judge whatever source I present as unreliable (your OPINION) and promote your sources (your OPINION) as the epitome of the truth. Don't --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:39, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I honestly beg you to bring up this to an administrator. I cannot go on with these DISGUSTING accusations that I don't use source and am merely doing original research any longer. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:43, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it has been my experience that museums make honest mistakes. One mistake I even corrected from information I found on Wikipedia. The Crocker Art Museum states that one portrait they have is of an unidentified woman. However, another painting by the same artist with the same subject shows it to be the artist's daughter. I regularly take photos from museums to upload to Commons, and find that there are very common mistakes that are sometimes made. Here is the problem with your past contributions where the two of us have conflicted, you cherry picked specific sentences to prop up your claim on one article that, when checked did not support the claim you made. No, I have no issue with Fornander, Kamakau etc. But they all differ in genealogy so, at some point one does have to disregard one or the other. You don't seem to understand that. I believe you have a bias about your own information as being the "truth". It isn't. Seriously. I see you telling editors (on many occasions) that they are attempting to re-write history. Oddly enough, when I read your work, the impression I get is that you are doing that. You don't use sources correctly when you use them at all and you have stated outright that you do have a problem with finding sources. Then when someone else questions you, you explode. Keep calm and carry on. But also, be more collaborative. This isn't your encyclopedia and you really do seem to lack sensitivity when dealing or writing about other people's family.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ok please stop. I really am not in the mood to argue this. The few edits I have added since January when I declared my retirement has been strictly related to images I've uploaded, something that I am still doing on a regular basis. This is where I will be mostly staying at so I don't care anymore.

But if the Bishop Museum state it is Haalilio. We have two of the country's expert institution against a postcard. Mistakes can be made in postcards as much as in museums. Where would we be then? HYPOTHETICALLY not saying they will, if Bishop Museum affirms Haalilio as the sitter. We will have a situation where you completely trusting a postcard and me trusting two musuems and each of us seeing a possible honest mistake in the other's sources (OUR OPINIONS HERE WHICH SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSED). In this hypothetical situation, would you compromise and have it stated in the file that we have one side stating it is one person and another stating it is another person? Like I did here. This would be basically us reiterating what sources say not our own opinions on which source made honest mistakes or not. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

The Smithsonian link does not show an image to verify what portrait they are referring to. If the Bishop Museum were to claim it was Alexander the Great, that still wouldn't be a reliable source. I am sure you understand that. In contacting the Museum, I am looking for another reliable published source. Understand that, no matter what the museum says, what we need is a source used to verify the information. A statement from the uploader is not a reliable source. A claim by a museum staff member is not a reliable source. The postcard was published by the Bishop Museum and credits the Bishop Museum and the lithograph as created in Japan. This is what I mean by your not understanding how sourcing works on Commons and Wikipedia (although, remember that commons and Wikipedia are two separate entities). I didn't come here to antagonize you. I originally came to your user page to tell you there was no reason to retire just because you became angry at me. You have to get over that (or don't, that is up to you), but this situation illustrates the way you work in a manner that is not to our policies, guidelines and procedures. But all one has to do is read through the needed policies and guidelines and learn the proper way to source content. The only reason this current situation came up is because you reverted without an edit summary of content that I removed as inaccurate. Your only reasoning was that the uploader stated it was Haalilio. I provide an actual published source from the museum itself and you simply deny it. Oh well...I did try in good faith to discuss the matter with you rationally but you still have issues with me.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:33, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

You're right it stand weaker according to Wikipedia policies. I know this. I hope Bishop Museum can provide published sources to clear this up. And I provided an edit summary on Haalilio page and the file page when I made the changes.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you are correct. My apologies for the mistake. I have no idea how I came to that conclusion. You did indeed leave edit summaries.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:08, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh...I forgot. I still do not believe that Kamehameha I had relations with Kanekapolei and produced Pauli. That is still very much a point of controversy in Hawaiian history, however because it is believed that Pauli was accepted as a hanai adopted son, the genealogy is generally accepted. How we handle that on Wikipedia depends on a number of things, weight of the sources, etc. In this case it is simply a matter of mentioning that reliable sources make claims that are contradicted buy other reliable sources.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:49, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I still believe it is a possibilty and I agree there is a controversy. I still await published source stating Kaoleioku was hanaied as you keep claiming.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Uhm...it's in the notes of page 334 and 335 of An Account of the Polynesian Race: Its Origins and Migrations, and the...By Abraham Fornander, John F. G. Stokes it's already on the article. I showed you this a long time ago. Seriously. Its actually a common story and part of the controversy. The Hawaiian Historical Society (stokes I believe) had an entire journal article about how they are almost certain Kamehameha was not the father of Pauli, but that is also where we argued because that is the source I believed you cherry picked a sentence to support the opposite of what the source was claiming. I believe now that it is more than likely you just didn't understand how to use that source. But again, if the source is claiming that Kamehameha is not the father of Pauli, you don't pick out a single sentence to use out of context to support a claim on Wikipedia that the source itself is not making. We summarize what the sources are saying. In that source they do not believe Kamehameha was Paulie's father and that is where we first clashed.--Mark Miller (talk) 22:31, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Painting from the Bishop Museum

I Haven't heard back from the Bishop Museum. I called, and while they are open on weekends, it seems that staff don't answer the phones. They may be at minimal staffing on weekends. I will call first thing in the morning. I have to talk to the head archivist anyway in regards to sources he directed me to some time ago. Great wealth of information.--Mark Miller (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Just got off the phone with the Museum, but was only speaking to security as I forgot this was Memorial Day. There was no staff available. They are closed on Tuesdays but the gentleman did tell me to speak to someone in the Archive Library. So, Desoto Brown, the head Archivist there (or anyone on staff) should be able to help. Gotta wait till Wednesday though.--Mark Miller (talk) 19:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Didn't notice until today that you had uploaded this image so I wanted to mention that I digitally restored the photo and overrode it on Commons, but your original State Archive image is still there in the history. I am going to be restoring as many photos as I can as time permits.

--Mark Miller (talk) 00:55, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

That's no problem. I noticed the change already. I'm for restoration of image as long as it doesn't change it drastically beyond recognition.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:29, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I called on Wednesday and left a message but the operator was very hesitant to transfer my call to the archives, They stated that they get a lot of calls and that it was likely they message would take time to be answered. I will try emailing Desoto Brown when I can get my e-mail working. Also, thank you for letting the painting by Johann Zoffany remain, it goes a very long way to demonstrating your good faith. While it is somewhat fantasy or from the artist imagination, there are no other actual depictions of the subject that I can find. For a subject as important as she appears to be, there seem to be no images of her that I can find. Another reason why I wish to speak to the archives. Have you considered joining Wikipedia:GLAM? Galleries, Libraries, Archives and museums?--Mark Miller (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Prince Oana

Thanks for taking to nominate the article at DYK! Cbl62 (talk) 21:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. You did all the work.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

No, nothing on his ancestry beyond immediate parents in the articles I found. The SABR biography has the most complete discussion of his family background. Cbl62 (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nom/Fountain of Ahmed III (Üsküdar)

Hi! Thank you for your comment. What I didn't understand is that was it a DYK review or a friendly comment only. Because a DYK review mark is missing there. Cheers. --CeeGee 04:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't done a DYK review in so long I forgot. I will fix that.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:32, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Picture spot

Hi, don't worry, it won't be forgotten. When you build a prep set, you have to try to take the oldest approved hooks first (the Australian war artists were nominated a few weeks before Prince Oana), and you also can't put two people pictures in consecutive sets. When I built the last set, I saw that the order of picture hooks seemed to be "place", "nature", "person", so it might take a few more rounds for Prince Oana to appear. Yoninah (talk) 11:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I just noticed that another editor trying his hand at building prep sets put Prince Oana in the last slot. That's a highly visible spot, even if it's not a picture. Yoninah (talk) 22:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I guess so. I mean I don't like it but I will go along with it. Thanks anyway.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:43, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Prince Oana

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height of Lunalilo

Hi, about your Ref Desk question. I am answering here because the desks are closed to editing. Re Lunalilo, I found two (alas, different) references[13].

The Betrayal of Liliuokalani: Last Queen of Hawaii, 1838-1917 - Page 84 books.google.com/books?id=i2d0AAAAMAAJ Helena G. Allen - 1982 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions Lunalilo (Prince Bill), also in the wedding party, danced with Liliu, the graceful young bridesmaid, who had now completely conquered her slight limp. ... Lunalilo, "Prince Bill," stood six-foot one, slender, of good features and dark complexion.

A Vagabond's Odyssey: Being Further Reminiscences of a ... ... books.google.com/books?id=2jlCAAAAIAAJ A. Safroni-Middleton - 1916 - ‎Snippet view - ‎More editions CHAPTER IX Honolulu — King Lunalilo — Chinese Leprosy — Kooma's Reminiscences of Father Damien — Molokai — The ... I also saw the new king, Lunalilo, a fine-looking Hawaiian, six feet high, full- lipped and very majestic-looking.

I always think the more precise measurement is more likely to be accurate, but the second book is supposed to be an eyewitness account. 184.147.135.33 (talk) 17:00, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

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Nahienaena

In your move request for Nahienaena, the target and source appear to be the same.S Philbrick(Talk) 12:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC) I'm guessing you wanted to move Nāhienaena?--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jim Bartels

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DYK for Kamokuiki

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A brownie for you!

I have supported your RM proposal, in that would support either of your first two options. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Family History - Wassman-Davison

Dear Kavebear,

I stumbled across your page on George Beckley and other Hawaiian history pages when searching my family history. I would be honoured if you would consider sharing any information, especially photos, relating to the Davison's ancestors. My Great Grandmother was Wilhemina Edna Davison Wassman, her (my) relatives are the ones you write about! Please consider contacting me - I will give you my email 120.146.254.109 (talk) 09:36, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

I know little beyond the immediate first two generations of Davison in Hawaii and these are all the photos I've have relating to them.

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  Benoni Richmond Davison, the first Davison in Hawaii
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  Mary Jane Kekulani Fayerweather, his wife, who descended from the Beckley's through her mother. She was also a sister of Julia Afong and were in laws to the Afong family.
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  Their children Rose, Harry and Emma Davison. I assume your great grandmother was a daughter of Harry's (Henry Fayerweather Davison) probably.
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  Emma Ahuena Davison Taylor as a young woman
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  Rose Compton Davison as a young woman.

DKY Issue with James Wood Bush

Hello! Your submission of James Wood Bush at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. This is a very well done article and meets all DYK criteria except the creation time. Since this article was created in the mainspace in July 2014, moved to your user space in August 2014, and then back to the mainspace in December, the five day time frame would apply from July, not December. I have noted this on the nomination but have asked for a second opinion just to be sure. Mike Cline (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for James Wood Bush

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Knock it off!

Either work within our guidelines or you can be blocked. I personally don't care about your comments and insults but don't use the summery for discussion about how you don't like something. The edit summary is for explaining your edit, Not for inciting a fight. You act like you have been here for a few weeks and you have been editing for years. Either you find a way to collaborate better and not power drive your way through an article I just created to be as annoying as you can or I will have no choice but take begin formal complaints for long term behavior with me over a bunch of articles. This harassment has gone on too long!--Mark Miller (talk) 10:16, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

You knock it off. Stop threatening and making everything personal; my purpose in life is not to annoy you so stop claiming I am trying to annoy you. You may be annoy by my actions but that most certainly doesn't mean I am out to get you and annoy you. My purpose was to write a good article not anything to do with you or anything in the past. I have done nothing wrong and I am standing by everything that I have done. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

AGAIN KNOCK IT OFF! You have done plenty wrong. You bulldoze your crap on the page and you are often wrong on policy and procedure. LEARN! I am not your teacher. You need to get your stuff together and stop misusing the edit summary. Stop removing perfectly good content in sources because you just don't like it. I told you to stay away from me the other day and now you decide to fuck with me on a new article I create just to be a pain. I'm done.--Mark Miller (talk) 10:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

"and now you decide to fuck with me on a new article I create just to be a pain." Stop making these false accusation! Every conflict with me since Pau rider has been the same again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again. You keep claiming that I am out to get you, annoy you or that I am specifically targeting you when I am only interested in the topics and articles. I have tried to be cordial in order for me to actually make changes to article without you blowing up on me, but you keep doing just that and continue on insulting me and threatening me. I am actually interested in Haalelea's article by itself not because you created it (seriously get over yourself). I am going to make it perfectly clear here I don't care about you at all (neither negatively or positively). I neither hate you or love you. I am here to edit articles and make sure errors are not made. You can perfectly well file a formal complaint because I seen I have done nothing wrong and will stand by everything I have done. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh bullshit. You know damn well I told you to stay away from me the other day and then you just think it hilarious to start right on a new article I created. I have stayed away from all of your article on purpose because you are such a disruptive editor. You did it once and you are doing it once again. You just have a vendetta against me and are trying to be as painful as possible. I thought you retired? What are you still doing here? You are more active than ever. Some feel editors that use templates like that and are as prolific as you are being dishonest. You are basically telling people your seldom edit but you seem to be all up in my freeing face whenever I create a new article these last few.--Mark Miller (talk) 10:58, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Again. Stop making false accusations. Recent increased activities...I am in school most of the time and its Christmas Break right now. But I have no need to explain to you any of this because I can come back edit and stop editing whenever I choose. Unless Wikipedia has a policy specifically forbidding users from editing once they put up a retired or semi-retired sign or puts a quota on their edits. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:07, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I've made it clear with you again and again that I am only here to edit. I don't want to discuss personal stuff, bringing up disputes of the past, or your accusations of ulterior motives. The only thing I wanted to discuss was relating to the articles and the content being added or removed. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:21, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

I have withdrawn that complaint for the time being.--Mark Miller (talk) 13:37, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok. I will address it whenever you decide to resubmit it. I will be on and off here and now since its the holiday also and until school starts back for me but I will find the time to defend myself. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:10, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

No plans to re-file any time during the holidays or into January unless things escalate of course, but no.--Mark Miller (talk) 00:45, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

In fact, the way things work in general on Wikipedia with behavior is that most incidents become stale after a period. When there is a pattern of behavior (whether that be two editors not conflicting or the accusations each have against each other) suddenly bringing the issue forward when there is not current issue to deal with can make cases carry less weight in the yes of many, simply because it makes the filing or complaining editor look vindictive or have other negative perspectives. While your own declarations on Wikipedia suggest you are a young college student, and I am a self proclaimed 50something, I don't think we are too different to try to get a long better.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Aloha again

I want to dislike you. I have reason to...but I can't seem to do it. LOL! Seriously.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:00, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I thought this was neat!

I know you regularly upload images to Commons (yes I am still trying to correct my mislabeling of Haalilio's portrait) so I thought this might interest you.

This is a rare photograph of the first re-enactment of Kamehameha's landing in Oahu in 1913. I fell onto a discussion from the owner of the photo. It is an original vintage photo found at a flea market. Marc Olsen, the owner, was discussing the photo and many had already identified what it was but were not completely sure. I did a little research and found this If you look closely you can see that the photo can be identified from the Hawaiian newspapers. I thought this was very cool. Mr. Olson has decided to return the image to Hawaii and donate it to a repository there.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Who are these people?

Mr. Mela [Miller], Kanekapolei Miller, Alika Mela and Kapuailohia Wahine Kanuha Miller?

Remember years ago when I asked this question about Kilinahe? Your very first post to me about that was helpful in that it made me stop and sort out what I was looking at. The information discovered had encyclopedic value and helped me sort through the facts of the Hawaiian Royal Family. Perhaps we can do that again here. maybe even Viriditas could be of help.

Hawaiian families are very hesitant to share information. They have good reason. We have spent years battling each other and now I think it is time we used our differing views to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of Hawaiian History. We have a unique opportunity here and I hope you recognize that I am honestly reaching out to you in real aloha to share what I have discovered, know and the hints I have been given to look in the right places for more information. Viriditas has been VERY helpful in this manner and perhaps he can be so again in a new discovery of a repository of Mela family documentation.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea. These are chiefly families that I have no familiarity with at all since they were one of many families closely related to the House of Kamehameha and rarely, if at all covered by secondary sources. My best advice would be to check Hawaiian newspapers from the territorial period and even Hawaiian language newspapers (If you can't read Hawaiian, the person who operates http://nupepa-hawaii.com/ might be able to help you translate if you ask) for any information on these figures. And maybe searching Find a Grave to see if you recognize any of these Millers. Other than that all I can find are scant mentions of Mela as a foreigner living in Kamehameha's court, the court cases you've already know of, and online genealogy sites.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

I have been advised that the full line of this family is recorded through a Maui Catholic Church. I had seen a few of the documents several years ago but the copies seem to have been removed. I am particularly interested in Kanekapolei Miller and Kapuailohia Wahine Kanuha Miller. It seems documents record Kanekapolei's birthdate as 1778 I think, so obviously it cannot be Kalaniopuʻu's wife. The possibility of this being Kahiwa Kanekapolei seems more probable. Kapuailohia Wahine Kanuha is an interesting figure as well but her parentage is difficult to find. I am hoping that the primary source documents can be tracked down. According to a Tilton family member in an online discussion, this Kanekapolei was taken care of into her old age by the Alika Mela.

I also found some interesting information on Noho Mualani in a secondary source that explains a few things I have been reading and am looking further into these claims. I will keep you posted.--Mark Miller (talk) 18:23, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the Find A Grave listing. I have not had time to try that I it did list Isabella Haleʻala Kaʻili Miller Desha's full birth, death and name. That was very helpful.--Mark Miller (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@Mark Miller: let me know if I can help. Viriditas (talk) 00:39, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Viriditas I wanted to wait until I heard from you before I began anything. Give me a bit and I will explain in full!--Mark Miller (talk) 01:02, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

• OK so, some time ago my sister found a partial family tree prepared and researched by one of my dad's brothers who was a university professor in Hawaii for many years. He had left it with my dad in 1983 when he came to the mainland to return his mother's remains to be buried on the Island of Hawaii. I never met most of my dad's family but we did have some cousins on Oahu and his mother did visit us twice. Once in Hawaii and once when she moved to the mainland. I met his brother once in 1977 when he first began researching and stopped by our house with his computer that he hooked up to servers in Hawaii through our telephone line. He didn't have much at the time but he said he thought we were somehow related to the Hawaiian Royal family but everything I remember were his dead ends. Before we found the tree I had started researching Hawaiian history in general hoping to find something that might give me a hint or clue. Once I had a few names it was a lot easier to confirm the tree through secondary sources. The first name I centered on was Kilinahe as he had a good deal of mentions in sources but, it was a little hard to believe. So I researched it all out to confirm or deny whether this was a true relative and found a very interesting history I began researching for Wikipedia. The entire history I began reading about was very interesting to me but I wanted to make sure the research could benefit Wikipedia further so I began creating articles on subjects I was reading a great deal about like; Kahili, Konohiki, Kalaimanokahoʻowaha, Kidnapping of Kalaniʻōpuʻu by Captain James Cook, Pa'u riders, Aikāne, and Umi-a-Liloa.

I was so centered on Kilinahe and the links to Bernice Bishop and Ruth Keelikōlani that I forgot about the other names on tree until I noticed that Kilinahe's granddaughter married a man by the name of Samuel K. Miller. When researching this name I found secondary sources that mentioned others from the Kanaina probate. But it was when I was researching the name of Samuel's father, Alexander P. Miller that I found the name of one of Samuel' brothers, John Mahiʻai Kāneakua. This is where things began to pick up and get really interesting and, yeah.....a little unbelievable. I found a discussion on the man that gave a number of sources but very indirectly. I had to hunt them down. But it was an interesting payoff for being stubburn and not giving up. S.M. Kamakua's ""Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii" mentions both Alexander P. Miller and his son Alexander P. Miller Jr. (which I found later). Page 174 mentions Mr. Mela [Miller] as having been on Oahu before 1795 and that he built the Brick Palace. On page 251 Kamakua talks about a number of native residents such as Mr. Alika who were in the Islands under LihoLioho. He also speaks of Captain John Meek. Meek had a number of illegitimate children with Sarah Miller (Sam and John's sister). I actually found a couple of secondary sources for that as well.

But the thing that is difficult to sort out is Mr. Mela's wife, Kānekapōlei. This seems very unlikely to be Kānekapōlei as Alexander P. Miller Jr. (listed in the Mahele as Alika Mela) was born about c 1810. I believe this Kānekapōlei was born in 1778. This could be Kahiwa Kānekapōlei but I haven't centered on this figure. While trying to find information about Kanuha Miller I discovered the name Isabella Haleʻala Kaʻili Desha and the link to the Desha and Beamer families.

Now...this was the long story. Dad hasn't seen much of his 10 siblings in many years. After 50 years, his sisters found my research on Wikipedia and contacted me. His youngest sister had not seen him since she was twelve and drove up from LA to Visit. It was very nice to have made contact. I was actively searching for them but everyone I found information on had passed. I have met many cousins online such as my dad's cousin who's family dad would stay with on weekends when attending Kamehameha School.

So, I think a collaboration (even inviting TParis) would really be great. There is more information and sources and at least one repository in Maui that I have to find.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Mark Miller, I am glad that you are able to recreate the family tree for your ancestors, but I have to kindly state that I am not interested in this family's history. My interest lies in political figures and other chiefly families in Hawaiian history. If you have questions, I can point to what I am able to. This group might be able to help you better than I. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

No, problem. I wanted to see if you wished to collaborate on the Wikipedia work, not my personal family tree. My tree would include my immediate family and only my cousins can really help there. The Native Hawaiian Genealogy Society is a great community where I have found lots of helpful people and second, third and fourth cousins. I have a great interest in the political figures as well. Maybe we shall work together on something again some day.--Mark Miller (talk) 05:00, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Grimes Davis

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Attributs du service de table

The phrase doesn't make much sense without more context. It could mean something like "properties of the tableware of the Gambier king and of the mission". Attribut can also mean "symbolic sign", so it could refer to some sort of marking on the dishes and other pieces that indicate they belong to the king or to the mission. --Xuxl (talk) 17:58, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Now that I've seen your link, the second explanation is the right one. The two designs are those used on the king and mission's tableware to identify them. See for example this Unites States presidential table ware with the seal in the middle [14]. --Xuxl (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Agapa

"Mise au blanc" is not a common expression anymore, but it could have been in the 19th century. It could literally mean that she started wearing white 7 years before, but I don't know what significance this would have. The rest of the paragraph makes it sound that this about wearing white, because "everyone wanted to wear white at her funeral even though black was the usual mourning color". There's a reference to her father having the same disease as the princess, so it may also mean that she was hospitalized for seven years (white is a color often associated with hospitals). --Xuxl (talk) 18:52, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:56, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Maputeoa mourut le 23 juin 1857 laissant 5 enfants dont l'aîné Joseph n'avait que 10 ans. Une régence fut exercée par Marie-Eudoxie, la femme de Maputeoa, jusqu'à sa mort en 1869. Il ne restait alors que deux filles et le gouvernement resta pratiquement aux mains de la Mission. Translation: Maputeoa died on June 23, 1857, leaving 5 children, with the eldest Joseph being only 10 years old. The regency was exercised by Marie-Eudoxie, Maputeoa's wife, until her death in 1869. There remained only two daughters and the government was left almost entirely at the hands of the Mission (i.e., the Mission practically ran the government by itself). --Xuxl (talk) 06:03, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have found a few sources talking more about the situation. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:06, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Mangareva sketches follow-up

Hi Kavebear, a PS to my answer on the Reference Desk for your purposes of dating the portraits. I read a bit more of Captain Dumont d'Urville's book. In the sketch, the man on the right, Mabou Kouike, is not mentioned in the book at all. The man on the left, Mapouteoa (sometimes spelled Mapou-teoa) and his uncle are first met by Dumont D'Urville on Aug 6, 1838. (p. 151) Their descriptions match the sketches: Mapou-teoa as wearing "a blue riding coat, with shirt, trousers and hat" and his uncle as 190 cm tall and "wearing only a shirt." 184.147.138.101 (talk) 12:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! --KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Life Magazine Special

Hi, I can send you the full text of:

• Dowling, Claudia Glenn (15 June 1998). "An American Princess: More Than 100 Years after Their Monarchy Was Overthrown, Hawaiians Still Love Their Royals". Life. 21 (7A Special Royals Issue).

in html format, which I believe will fulfil your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Archive_26#Summer 1998 Life Magazine. Please use Special:EmailUser to email me so that I can reply with the article as an attachment. Regards, Worldbruce (talk) 04:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Request that the source be sent to my email as well please Worldbruce.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

@Mark Miller: The article is on its way to Kavebear. If they know your email they can forward it to you, otherwise just send me an email as above, and I'll reply with the article attached. Worldbruce (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: What pages was this article on? I don't think you can send me the images I'm guessing since they are copyrighted. Let me know the pages so I can submit an interlibrary loan request at my library for scan copies of the article.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Alas, Factiva doesn't indicate the original page numbers (or include the photos that went with the story). Now that you have the date and title, could you obtain the page range from the 1998 Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature? If that isn't feasible, a library in my area has a physical copy of the issue. I could scan it, although it might not be until the new year. Let me know if you need me to try. Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

That would be awesome if you can do that. And I am in no hurries. Thank you for the help!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, although the library catalog says they have every issue of Life, two are in fact missing, and this is one of them. So I'm afraid I can't supply the pictures after all, sorry. Worldbruce (talk) 18:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frederick William Kahapula Beckley Jr.

Hello! Your submission of Frederick William Kahapula Beckley Jr. at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Miyagawa (talk) 19:33, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Eliza Meek

Gatoclass (talk) 00:42, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK Nomination

Hello! Your submission of I-sala at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Alex2006 (talk) 10:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Maputeoa

Materialscientist (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Hook needs a tweak

Hi. The original hook in Template:Did you know nominations/I-sala needs a fix (it says "its shape derived from the of the bushy hair"). I can think of several way that could be done, so, rather than guess which one you had in mind, I'll let you take care of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mandarax: Which one would you suggest? I'm unsure.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:03, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, when I left the above note, I had only looked at the hook. Now that I've read the article, I see a problem with the first two hooks. Both of them say that it "resembled a turban", but the first sentence of the article says it is a turban. It goes on to say that it's "similar to a turban", but then the Williams quote refers to it as a turban. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

The modern interpretation (Cochrane and Quanchi) is that it is only similar to a turban. Williams is a 19th-century description of the custom.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I see that you've edited the first sentence to reflect that, and have also edited the nomination. Thanks, and good luck with your DYK. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for St. Michael's Cathedral, Rikitea

Materialscientist (talk) 00:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Mangareva sketches follow-up

Hi Kavebear, a PS to my answer on the Reference Desk for your purposes of dating the portraits. I read a bit more of Captain Dumont d'Urville's book. In the sketch, the man on the right, Mabou Kouike, is not mentioned in the book at all. The man on the left, Mapouteoa (sometimes spelled Mapou-teoa) and his uncle are first met by Dumont D'Urville on Aug 6, 1838. (p. 151) Their descriptions match the sketches: Mapou-teoa as wearing "a blue riding coat, with shirt, trousers and hat" and his uncle as 190 cm tall and "wearing only a shirt." 184.147.138.101 (talk) 12:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! --KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Fiji

Hi there! Thank you for your recent edits to Fiji-related articles. There are huge gaps in the information available on Fiji, so your work is very much appreciated. I hope you stay and get stuck in:-)

Just in case you haven't noticed, there an Index of Fiji-related articles. Many if not most of the articles listed there are incomplete, so we need all hands on deck. You can also join WP:Wikiproject Fiji if you like.

Once again, welcome to the team! David Cannon (talk) 07:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I don't know too much about this region unfortunately. Although, I've been adding photographs, relevant historic sources, and historic images on the topic of their chiefs.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hook needs a tweak

Hi. The original hook in Template:Did you know nominations/I-sala needs a fix (it says "its shape derived from the of the bushy hair"). I can think of several way that could be done, so, rather than guess which one you had in mind, I'll let you take care of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 10:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mandarax: Which one would you suggest? I'm unsure.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:03, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, when I left the above note, I had only looked at the hook. Now that I've read the article, I see a problem with the first two hooks. Both of them say that it "resembled a turban", but the first sentence of the article says it is a turban. It goes on to say that it's "similar to a turban", but then the Williams quote refers to it as a turban. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

The modern interpretation (Cochrane and Quanchi) is that it is only similar to a turban. Williams is a 19th-century description of the custom.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:42, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I see that you've edited the first sentence to reflect that, and have also edited the nomination. Thanks, and good luck with your DYK. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK Nomination

Hello! Your submission of I-sala at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Alex2006 (talk) 10:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Maputeoa

Materialscientist (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Cyprien Liausu

The two requested translations are on my talk page. Glad to be of help. --Xuxl (talk) 09:53, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Royal family picture:

The Huahine royal family, circa 1890. It is possible to identify the following adults, from left to right: the first woman [holding a child] would be Tetuamarama Teuruarii, spouse of Marama Teuruarii; the second woman [in front of whom a boy is standing] would be Tetuanuimarama, spouse of Ariimate Teururai; next to her, their mother-in-law, Queen Teha'apapa II; in the back row, to the left, Ariimate Teururai [Tamatoa VI], and, to his right [bearded], Marama Teururai."

--Xuxl (talk) 09:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Cyprien Liausu

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Gregorio II

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Maria Eutokia Toaputeitou

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:26, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for I-sala

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Chrysostome Liausu

Materialscientist (talk) 11:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Nancy Sumner

Gatoclass (talk) 08:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Hoolulu Pitman

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:11, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Okina

Where is the policy which states this, please? GiantSnowman 12:20, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for the link - but I again state that I believe the article title should contain the okina, and subsequently so should the article body. GiantSnowman 18:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - let's see how the Pitman RM plays out. GiantSnowman 15:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for J. R. Kealoha

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:27, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth Keawepoʻoʻole Sumner

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for William Keolaloa Sumner

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

User:KAVEBEAR/Zorobabela Kaauwai ‎

Greetings! Would you mind if I merged User:KAVEBEAR/Zorobabela Kaauwai into Draft:Zorobabela Kaauwai, created for Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/United States judges and justices? Cheers! bd2412 T 14:09, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of J. R. Kealoha

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Your GA nomination of Henry Hoʻolulu Pitman

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Eliza Meek

• Hi KAVEBEAR, about the request for clarification on the Eliza Meek article; what is a "half-interest in property"? You didn't clarify that and removed a hidden text comment of mine to editors watching the page, which would not have been noticed by readers but would have helped clarify something obscure in the article. I also fail to see how it is the "wrong newspaper" since the sentences are both from its pages (almost word for word, but that's a different problem). Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 02:08, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Found the correct newspaper link, didn't check the first link before posting *facepalm*: Honolulu Star-Bulletin. I will put this link in so that readers are not confused. Cheers, Drcrazy102 (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!

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Jonah Kapena Copy Edit

Hello Kavebear: The copy edit you requested by the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Jonah Kapena has been completed. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Kind regards, Twofingered Typist (talk) 16:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK

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Speedy deletion nomination of Miriam Auhea Kekāuluohi Crowningburg

A tag has been placed on Miriam Auhea Kekāuluohi Crowningburg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

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Life Magazine Special

Hi, I can send you the full text of:

• Dowling, Claudia Glenn (15 June 1998). "More Than 100 Years after Their Monarchy Was Overthrown, Hawaiians Still Love Their Royals". Life. 21 (7A Special Royals Issue).

in html format, which I believe will fulfil your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request#Summer 1998 Life Magazine. Please use Special:EmailUser to email me so that I can reply with the article as an attachment. Regards, Worldbruce (talk) 04:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Life Magazine Special

Hi, I can send you the full text of:

• Dowling, Claudia Glenn (15 June 1998). "An American Princess: More Than 100 Years after Their Monarchy Was Overthrown, Hawaiians Still Love Their Royals". Life. 21 (7A Special Royals Issue).

in html format, which I believe will fulfil your request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Archive_26#Summer 1998 Life Magazine. Please use Special:EmailUser to email me so that I can reply with the article as an attachment. Regards, Worldbruce (talk) 04:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Request that the source be sent to my email as well please Worldbruce.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

@Mark Miller: The article is on its way to Kavebear. If they know your email they can forward it to you, otherwise just send me an email as above, and I'll reply with the article attached. Worldbruce (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

@Worldbruce: What pages was this article on? I don't think you can send me the images I'm guessing since they are copyrighted. Let me know the pages so I can submit an interlibrary loan request at my library for scan copies of the article.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Alas, Factiva doesn't indicate the original page numbers (or include the photos that went with the story). Now that you have the date and title, could you obtain the page range from the 1998 Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature? If that isn't feasible, a library in my area has a physical copy of the issue. I could scan it, although it might not be until the new year. Let me know if you need me to try. Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

That would be awesome if you can do that. And I am in no hurries. Thank you for the help!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, although the library catalog says they have every issue of Life, two are in fact missing, and this is one of them. So I'm afraid I can't supply the pictures after all, sorry. Worldbruce (talk) 18:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Kini Kapahu

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy Holidays to you, your family and friends. May you have happy editing!

		Happy Holidays to you and your family and friends!
		May this season bring you joy and happiness and happy editing!.Mark Miller (talk) 02:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Republic of Hawaii Foreign Minister listed at Redirects for discussion

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Your GA nomination of James Wood Bush

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Your GA nomination of Eliza Meek

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User sub-pages

Hi, I noticed that you have several inactive subpages, see All pages with titles beginning with User:KAVEBEAR/.

If you have finished with any of these, please tag them with {{db-user}} so that they can be deleted.

Kind regards – Fayenatic London 09:02, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Huahine family tree

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DYK for Hawaii and the American Civil War

On 21 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hawaii and the American Civil War, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that despite the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi's neutrality during the American Civil War, many Hawaiians enlisted in the military regiments of other states? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hawaii and the American Civil War. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hawaii and the American Civil War), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Eliza Meek

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Congratulations on this article becoming a GA! You have excellent work; I enjoyed reading and learning more about Meek. Aoba47 (talk) 20:48, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kamānele

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DYK for 41st United States Colored Infantry

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DYK for Llewellyn F. Haskell

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Your GA nomination of Prince Romerson

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DYK for Kamānele

On 22 June 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kamānele, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Hawaiian King Kamehameha III fell into a state of depression and drunkenness, and attempted to commit suicide, after the death of his fiancée Kamānele? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kamānele. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Kamānele), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Mangareva sketches follow-up

Hi Kavebear, a PS to my answer on the Reference Desk for your purposes of dating the portraits. I read a bit more of Captain Dumont d'Urville's book. In the sketch, the man on the right, Mabou Kouike, is not mentioned in the book at all. The man on the left, Mapouteoa (sometimes spelled Mapou-teoa) and his uncle are first met by Dumont D'Urville on Aug 6, 1838. (p. 151) Their descriptions match the sketches: Mapou-teoa as wearing "a blue riding coat, with shirt, trousers and hat" and his uncle as 190 cm tall and "wearing only a shirt." 184.147.138.101 (talk) 12:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much! --KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Prince Romerson

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Your GA nomination of James Wood Bush

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