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DYK for Ashiq Peri

On 30 August 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ashiq Peri, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ashiq Peri was the first prominent female folk poet in Azerbaijan? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ashiq Peri. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ashiq Peri), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Precious

art of Azerbaijan

Thank you for quality articles about arts in Azerbaijan and the world, such as Ashiq Peri, Evening Bells (painting) and The Great Wave off Kanagawa, supported by language expertise, for engaged quality reviewing, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2876 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I really appreciate this, Gerda Arendt. Thank you. — Golden ^talk 12:52, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

September songs

my story today

Congratulations to the FA about the poet! Your first!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda! — Golden ^talk 10:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I guess he should appear as TFA asap, - will you nominate of should I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Gerda, I did try to, but I found the instructions to be quite confusing. I inquired about them on the talk page, and Dank suggested that I use TFAP, which I found to be equally as confusing (where do I put my nom - at the top or bottom? Also, are the dates referring to when the article will appear as TFA or when it became an FA?). I would be very thankful if you could nominate the article for me because I am too busy irl to figure it out right now. — Golden ^talk 12:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Will do! The place is called WP:TFAR, and you will be pinged. I'll write a blurb as I understand it, and you are free to change, and then support, of course. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! — Golden ^talk 13:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Looks good! - Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Beautiful story as always, Gerda. How beautiful to have a song written just for your wedding. Can't think of a better wedding gift. — Golden ^talk 14:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

26 songs, and some scholars think it's for the letters of the alphabet, and #3 = C = bride's initial particularly meaningful. - Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Comments on FA nomination

Hello Golden, I wanted to let you know that I nominated the article Communication for featured article status, see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Communication/archive1. So far, there has not been much response from reviewers. I was wondering whether you are inclined to have a look at it due to your interest in poetry and literature. If you have the time, I would appreciate your comments. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey Phlsph7, thanks for reaching out. I'm quite busy with real-life tasks at the moment, but I'll attempt to find some time for this within the month. My apologies in advance if I can't make it! — Golden ^talk 18:15, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the response and please take your time. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Julia Turner

Hi Golden, some time ago you left a message on my talk page about the article on Jessie Murray, and how you would like to have seen her partner also get their own article. She has now. There’s even less on her than Murray, but at least there is something. Hopefully in the future some paper will be published with more information we can use, but this will have to do for now. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm delighted to read this, SchroCat. Excellent work! — Golden ^talk 11:20, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

The following sanction now applies to you:

You are indefinitely topic-banned from all pages about Armenia, Azerbaijan, and related ethnic conflicts, broadly construed.

You have been sanctioned because you have failed to abide by your narrower topic ban from conflicts involving Armenia or Azerbaijan, broadly construed. I cautioned you in May to be very careful straying anywhere in the vicinity of your existing TBAN and that the existing TBAN should be read to include conflicts of predecessor states to modern Azerbaijan and Armenia. In June I said I wish you wouldn't get so close to the bounds of the TBAN. In that discussion I found that you had not violated the TBAN, but did clearly put you on notice—a final final final notice—that you were playing with fire by editing so close to thouse bounds.

This brings us to Special:Diff/1186503734, where you removed the statement From the 16th century up until the 18th century, Armenians formed the majority population of the capital, Shamakhi and a related image caption. The population of a region prior to a conflict falls within the topic of that conflict, broadly construed. (Consider, say, statistics about Jews in Poland in 1938.) If it were just this, I would maybe cut you some rope, but I and other admins have made it so so clear over the months and years that you do not have much wiggle room here, and sooner or later push must come to shove. I wish you happy editing in other topic areas.

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2#Final decision and, if applicable, the contentious topics procedure. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

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As a procedural note, this is a standard AA2 TBAN, not one of the special appeal-only-to-ArbCom TBANs under AA3 R5.2, because it does not involve edit-warring. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 04:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

With due respect, Tamzin, calling this a TBan violation feels like quite a bit of a stretch. The topic ban was from conflicts involving Armenia or Azerbaijan. That there was a large Armenian non-majority presence in the 16th–18th century population isn't exactly disputed, and the sorts of facts here predate the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict by hundreds of years. The Poland analogy would probably hold if these were statistics about Armenians in Shamakhi in, say, 1987, but they're not. (What would be more analogous is saying that it's a topic ban violation for someone who's "banned from making edits related to the Holocaust in Poland" making an edit about the proportion of the population of Warsaw that was Jewish in 1750, and that's clearly not a TBAN violation).

The edit certainly involves Armenians in what is now Azerbaijan, but I frankly don't see how the cited edit goes over the line. I really don't see where this population number involves a conflict involving Armenia or Azerbaijan, unless you're reading "conflict" to be all edits involving both Armenians and Azerbaijan—but that's substantially broader than the TBAN that was in place. I'd urge you strongly to reconsider this expansion of the topic ban to be so broad. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Red-tailed hawk: The sentence after the one removed was Armenians retained a significant presence in the Shamakhi district until the First Nagorno-Karabakh war, which resulted in the forced displacement of the remaining unassimilated Shamakhi Armenians to Armenia. The two sentences were clearly related, and removing the first affected the meaning of the second. This was not a tough call, at least not on the policy side. (On the personal side it was unpleasant to implement, because I do think Golden is here in good faith.) As to your suggestion on my talkpage of a ban from Armenians, no. I'm not going to go from one half-measure to another. Even now there's the temptation to be the nice admin and carve out some exception, but no: Every effort has been made, by myself and multiple other admins, to give Golden some amount of room to edit in this topic area, and each time it hasn't worked out. Enough is enough. Golden of course retains the standard options for appeal. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|she) 16:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

It's heartbreaking to be indefinitely barred from editing a topic that I've poured my heart into. I've given it my all, contributing a FA, TFA, 5 GAs, and several DYKs in just the past 6 months. It feels like a slap in the face since I could've easily appealed the restricted T-ban you gave me when it hit the one-year mark weeks ago, yet I chose not to, because I wanted to avoid conflict topics. Yet here we are, because of an edit that didn't even cross the line I promised not to cross. Not going to talk about whether it breaks the T-ban — Red-tailed hawk explained that part well enough — but anyone with a bit of sense would struggle to contest the content of that well-explained edit. This whole situation just goes to show the issues that are plaguing Wikipedia.

Hell, you didn't even give me a chance to defend myself before imposing this. I've spent considerable time in this challenging topic, filled with ultranationalists who are keen on promoting their country's POV. My goal was to improve the environment for people who genuinely care about the quality of these articles and their readers. However, the topic is back to its original state, dominated by ultranationalists who engage in endless arguments, deterring any regular person from joining the topic. Eventually, they all get banned (you might want to check the status of every account who reported me "in good faith" on your talk page, Tamzin), only to be replaced by new ultranationalists or their sock/meatpuppets.

I've fought a long, hard battle to stay on Wikipedia, despite being persistently targeted by ultranationalists who scrutinised every single one of my contributions to find faults and report me for even the slightest errors. But I won't fight anymore. I won't be returning because it would necessitate an apology and an admission of wrongdoing on my part, which I do not believe is the case. I made a promise to you, Tamzin and I've honoured it. My hope is for the Armenia-Azerbaijan topic area to evolve into a less hostile environment in the future, so that individuals in good faith can participate, rather than being deterred by the constant barrage of disputes, reports, and edit wars. — Golden ^talk 18:04, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Fuzuli (poet) scheduled for TFA

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 13 November 2023. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to amend the draft blurb, which can be found at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/November 13, 2023, or to make comments on other matters concerning the scheduling of this article at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/November 2023. I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:43, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

November songs

my story today

Thank you today for the article, introduced: "Fuzuli, a trilingual poet, lived his life in three different empires without ever leaving his home region of Iraq. Despite being one of the greatest Turkic poets to have ever lived, he was barely recognised for his works during his lifetime. He lived in relative poverty and never found a patron to his heart's desire. Nevertheless, his poetry outlived him, with his fame reaching as far Central Asia and India. Playing a pivotal role in the development of the Azerbaijani language, today he is one of the most famous poets in both Azerbaijan and Turkey."! - Enjoy your first TFA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful to see this on the front page. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, both. — Golden ^talk 15:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Thank you, The Herald! — Golden ^talk 08:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Sorry to see

Sorry to see you're retired. Thank you for your remarkable and impressive work on Azerbaijani topics—Fuzuli is a great article. Your effort on Hokusai's wave was equally as admirable. Hope you return some day. Best – Aza24 (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

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