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This is an archive of my talk page from September through the end of 2010

Aussy Floyd

Damian can no longer be in the principal members list as he has left the band. So how do we resolve this? do we add a "Previous Principal members" section?

Kevin

Tapfs (talk) 16:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC) Kevin

I understand where you're coming from. If they are no longer in the band, then we should be mentioning that. If they split off and formed a new group with the former manager while Aussie Floyd went in their own direction, then this is important to the history of the band. As for the member lists, he still WAS a primary member up until he left, and we can use the dates to reflect that. Or he could be put into the touring members section with the dates adjusted (as I've done). - ??o??ia? t ¢ 16:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

This wiki account is from Zoo Management. We are not hiding this fact. You can verify Damian Darlington leaving and Ian Cartel leaving from the unofficial fan site tapfs.com

Tapfs (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC) Kevin

Then I'd suggest reading WP:COI and understand our policies with regard to writing articles neutrally. I'd also recommend doing something similar to this on your user page, announcing who you are. Otherwise you may try to log in one day and find a less-than-lenient admin has acted on evidence. If the band is moving into a new era, then it may be time to add new information to the article besides a list of band members. If you can get the band interviews in reliable publications, we can use everything said as a source. Win for the band, win for the band's article. Cheers, ??o??ia? t ¢ 17:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Floydian-long time no speak! I've just moved Cattell to previous members,alas I hadn't read this first.Seems i just walked into a very hot cauldron. I shall step out if you wish while this matter is resolved.Please feel free to edit my recent addition of Cattel to the previous members section should you see fit.He is now however in a band called 'The British Pink Floyd Show' I'm sure they'll have their own wiki page soon.I do agree someone should write an addition to this page about the split and explaining the current situation. Perhaps it is not my place to do this.(Tapgsozfan (talk) 14:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC))

I think it is resolved. Tapfs has been pointed to the appropriate policies, so if they want to continue to add information about a band they promote, they now know it will be scrutinized. We'll see if the Brit Floyd Show becomes notable, but like most tribute bands it probably won't be enough for an article. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 17:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Route symbols

What do you think of the route symbols on Airport Parkway (Ottawa) in the exit list section. Is there any opinion -yay or nay- about in roads groups discussion? Was wondering if it might be appropriate for Gardiner or Don Valley articles. I'll watch this page for your reply.ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 21:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken its taken from one of the other languages (German I believe), modified by the railways project to use on railroads, and then extended on to a select couple highways. I'm guessing the template was copied directly from the other wikipedia and so the template parameters for highways were left untouched and in German. WP:RJL outlines two possible ways of doing junction lists (pointform list or table), but makes no mention of the route diagrams anywhere. There was discussion either at WP:USRD or WP:HWY regarding these, and the general consensus was not to use them. I'll see if I can find it tonight, but I'm just about to take off from school at the moment. You could bring it up at WT:RJL to see what other think though. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 21:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: And it looks like some editors are removing them based on WP:RJL. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 21:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ontario Highway 61

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:03, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Wish You Were Here

...and you were there (^___^)! Thank You, Floydian! Very well done! I didn't know it was possible to use the {{Nowrap}} template inside tl {{Track listing}}. Now, it looks fine! Cheers. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 06:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

At first I didn't expect it to work either, but I remembered that it's just a css parameter so it should really work in any given instance. I see the necessity of it for people with smaller monitors, it really became pretty wonky at 800x600. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 14:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Pandas

It has come to my attention, that, like all things in the universe, Pandas are actually more awesome than they sound.

Here's one I made earlier.

Congratulations

It looks like you need one of these for your user page now:

This user helped promote Don Valley Parkway to featured article status.

Imzadi 1979 ? 00:10, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Awesome! Here's hoping that this is the first of many to come :) - ??o??ia? t ¢ 02:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Holy wow! Awesome job Floydian! That's a huge achievement! All that hard work has finally payed off. Give yourself a pat on the back. Haljackey (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you :) The congratulations can't be all to me, though. Alaney2k did a lot of work and provided an uncounted amount of research. He deserves just as much credit. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 02:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
(Blush) I've been just as much a drag on Floydian effort's as helpful. We got off to a rocky start, (can we delete some of that talk crap?) but I'm happy we got the article to this level. Congrats to Floydian. I don't think I have the persistence to get through the process. I've gotten several articles to GA, but the FA is more stringent and more aimed at getting cites for everything. I doubt a university paper has to have a cite for nearly every sentence. I don't know if it is paranoia or what. What I work on mainly is getting hockey articles out of stub status and filling holes in the 'ice hockey' story. Not so much on getting one article through the process. I like reading the old newspapers, finding the 'true story' and adding it to the encyclopedia. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 14:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Either way, congrats to you both! Featured Article status is a huge achievement. Now you got one under your belt, perhaps your experience will help turn others into featured as well. Haljackey (talk) 01:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

New 401 Photographs

Took a DSLR for a spin yesterday. It was a rainy day but I did manage to get 6 good pictures of the 401 in London, including one of the 401-402 junction that is normally extraordinarily difficult to take. Read the description for that one lol.

Remember that Highbury Avenue and the Veterans Memorial Parkway are expressways. Thus, I can't get shots from those overpasses because there is no pedestrian access. Haljackey (talk) 02:14, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised. People in Toronto think the parclos are a terrible design because of how they impede the three or four cyclists in the northern half of the city. Yet, over there half of the overpasses are vehicle-only. Sexy pictures, that's one hell of a camera (and for a rainy day it looks pretty clear). Let's see what we can do with these... - ??o??ia? t ¢ 03:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Only problem with the camera was that I couldn't zoom as far as my point and shoot. In addition, I wish I knew how to find tune the thing to get better shots from it. There are several dozen settings. The best shots I took were on auto mode lol. Haljackey (talk) 03:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah they take a while to get used to. The amount of distant detail it picks up is probably similar, even without the further zoom on the DSLR. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 04:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I guess you're right. If I just cropped everything but the centre part of the photo I'd probably have a similar quality as a point and shoot zoom in. Glad you liked the pics! Feel free to use them wherever you want. I'm not a professional photographer, so I really don't care too much about the use of my photos or their licensing. Just doing this for fun/as a hobby. Haljackey (talk) 15:12, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Creating A New Page

Hey Floydian,

The next step I would like to take with wikipedia is creating a page for our founder Carson Morrison. I was wondering if you had any sugguestions when it comes to starting this page. I would just like to make sure once it is created, that it doesnt get flagged. We feel that Carson Morrison was a very successful man, who contributed a lot to the engineering world in his lifetime.

Some examples of this are he worked at University of Toronto for 40 years first as a lecturer and then later as a professor in civil engineering and mathematics. Won several engineering awards, such as the John Jenkins Award in 1980 from the Canadian Standards Association, a Professional Engineering Gold Medal in 1974 from Professional Engineers Ontario.

Some notable projects he was also part of was the Montreal TV Tower, for the Canadian Broadcasting Company, and the investigation into the 1959 collapse Listowel Arena in Listowel, Ontario which led to changes in the building codes to recognize the effects of non-uniform snow loading, together with the establishment of a requirement for regular inspection of all arenas.

These are just a few examples of why we feel Carson Morrison deserves a wikipedia page, if you could give me your thoughts on the steps we should take to make this page it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --Joe Fielder (talk) 12:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

The main thing you need to do is find reliable publications mentioning his name. You mention that he won the John Jenkins Award, which must be covered by something; at least an engineering periodical. If you can find three or four independent sources on Carson, then you should be able to create an article without much trouble using those sources. Hope this helps, but let me know if you're having any trouble. Cheers, ??o??ia? t ¢ 14:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey Floydian,

I have created the page Carson Morrison please feel free to take a look and give me any feedback you have. This is the first page I have created on my own and I would like to ensure that the page stays up. Thanks and look forward to hearing back from you. Joe Fielder (talk) 13:34, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks pretty good, I'm impressed. The only thing I'd recommend is to find more references for any assertion of fact, as well as for each of the points on the list of projects. Otherwise it seems neutral and on-topic. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 15:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah some of the projects listed were done in the 60s/70s a little challenging in finding online references for them. I just added one for the leaside bridge widening. I will continue to look for others. Another thing I wanted to ask you was your suggestions on getting a Morrison Hershfield page. I am fully aware that I cannot create this page myself but I was wondering what can be done as to show reasons why one should be made. As well if and when one is made would I be able to make edits to that page without them being flagged? Thanks again for all of your suggestions, you have been extremely helpful. Joe Fielder (talk) 16:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Po' buster/PhiltyBear/ScottRios/NationalCapital/74.198.8.70

Floydian - I hate to bring up the whole Po' buster/PhiltyBear/ScottRios/NationalCapital/74.198.8.70 ugliness again, but, as time passes, I've been getting more and more suspicious of User:UrbanNerd. Like our sock friend's other aliases, UN has been haunting articles about municipalities in southern Ontario, urban transportation, Ottawa, Calgary, Toronto, the Ottawa Senators, and capital regions. Notably, UN's been at Po' buster's old haunt, National Capital Region (Canada)). Further, here we have 74.198 going on about "BS monarchy stuff," and then UN deleting info at .ca related to the monarchy with the summary "bs". UN then attacks the individual who reverted the .ca edit with "internet tough guy" comments, which seems an awful lot like a comment left at my talk page by 74.198. Then, only just a couple of days ago at Canada Development Investment Corporation, UN replaces a link to Monarchy of Canada with one to Government of Canada, just as 74.198 did some weeks before and Po' buster did before that; though the user has never edited the page before, UN's edit summary is "again?".

I think it's pretty much a duck case. What's your opinion? --H MIESIANIACAL 05:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure in this case. UN seems to take a talk-page-first approach to issues that might possibly result in disagreements, which is a behaviour I could never see our old duck doing. I do see a few similarities in their history, but I'd need to see more. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 15:37, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Pigeon River Bridge

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 Fallschirmjäger  ✉  18:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Signs and SVGs

Hey Floydian, you seem to be pretty good at making signs and SVG images. Wondering if you might be able to tackle these two:

Also, the MC-Freeway sign has yet to become a .svg file. Just letting you know!

Also, are there any more places you might want me to take photos? (In the London area, highly doubtful I'll get to the 403.) Haljackey (talk) 03:54, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. I'm mid move right now and awaiting my OWN (not my girlfriends) laptop in about a week and a half, at which point I'll hop back onto Flash. I believe that the highway of heroes marker still needs to be done as well. Not positive I'll do the M-C freeway sign. According to the MTO, they're done and being removed.
As for photos, like I mentioned before, any shot of the St Thomas Expressway from an overpass would be awesome. A shot of 4 and of 3 at Talbotville Royal would be really useful. Is Elginfield to far? A picture of the end of 7 would also be really good to have. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 16:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
I think I missed my opportunity to take photos in the St. Thomas area. If I have a chance in the future I'll definitely try to capitalize on it! I might not be able to get to Elginfield though. Anyways, I'll keep trying to document this region in the 'pedia. Haljackey (talk) 16:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Picture PR

Since you commented at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/M-15 centerline 1917, you might want to comment at Wikipedia:Picture peer review/M-15 centerline 1917. Imzadi 1979 ? 22:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ontario Highway 9

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey Floydian

I havn't heard from you in a while and just thought I would touch base. Im sure your tired of responding to my questions haha but your the only Wikipedia editor I trust enough to go to with them, especially with your 7 years of experience on Wikipedia. While I am continuing to edit Wikipedia pages the next big step I would like to take is to have a Morrison Hershfield page created. To be honest I am struggling to find a way to have this page created as I cannot make it myself. I do have a rough draft of it I made put together, but I am not sure if posting information and facts from it on my wall would be a good idea or not. If you have any suggestions on what I could do to draw the attention of this to a Wikipedia editor to create for us I would be very thankful. Anyway look forward to hearing back from you, hope things are going well. Cheers Joe Fielder (talk) 14:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, it's not a problem at all. I'm happy to answer your questions to help make your stay here enjoyable and constructive. I doubt an editor will flat-out make it for you. We are busy just as you are, and people tend to focus on their areas of interest. This is why the Request for New Pages list is a rotting dinosaur corpse. The best thing to do would be to write it yourself in your userspace (at User:Joe Fielder/Morrison Hershfield, for example), and then when you feel its ready, ask at the village pump for other users to comment. When you do so, mention the fact that though you work for this company, you are only interested in providing a factual encyclopedia article on what is (in my eyes at least) a major infrastructure contractor for Ontario. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 18:21, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Proposal on Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)

I am proposing a serious change to the Broadcast section of this article. Please take a look and provide feedback. Thanks Hasteur (talk) 01:18, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

...at least it was a reference

This was better than no reference at all. If the actual MTO link is not given, it needs something or it has to be removed. (talk? BWilkins ?track) 19:54, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Why would it need to be removed? It needs a reliable reference, or no reference and fact tag; information shouldn't be removed unless it is disputed or involves a BLP. The MTO link (and actually an incorrectly formatted reference for the length) is in the infobox, but Google is also your friend. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 01:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I took the liberty of fixing it and cleaning up the article. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 01:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Excellent, highways are not my forte :-) (talk? BWilkins ?track) 09:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

CSD of North York

I've declined the CSD for North York, as it is common for smaller North American places to be located at Foo, Province. If you want to purse this further, try Wikipedia:Requested moves. You could be right in wanting to move this article, but it is not a clear case, so a discussion is necessary. Arsenikk (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Its only common because most places share a name with other places. North York, like Etobicoke, should be at the ambiguous title. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 02:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm going to request it again for a second opinion, as you're chosing not to respond. English places should also be at Foo, District/State; they do not get favour. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the concern here. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 16:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Joe Fielder/Morrison Hershfield Created

Hey Floydian, I created the page just as you suggested. Have a look when you have a chance and let me know what you think, was a lot more time consuming than the other page I created haha. I will also leave a message at the village pump asking for feedback from other editors. Is it wrong to just come out and ask someone to make it for us though? Anyway thanks again for all of your help, and I hope its up to your standards. Joe Fielder (talk) 20:11, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with simply asking. Most editors are not willing to do such a thing, but like myself they'll happily guide you along. Post in the miscellaneous village pump asking whether it passes the notability standards, and you can get others opinions on what the article may need or lacks. Peer Review is also helpful once you've established the article. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 20:39, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright thanks Floydian will do. I have another question for you, if or when the page is finally created will I be able to contribute to the page or is that considered to be just like making the page yourself? Joe Fielder (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

In the end, you can both make and edit that page. The steps I'm suggesting are purely optional, but they look very very good when an established editor comes along and sees that A) you identified your conflict of interest; and B) you sought outside feedback on whether the subject of the article met our guidelines. So long as you avoid promoting something, you're in the clear. I certainly intend to continue editing road articles when I complete my civil engineering degree and gain my own conflict of interest. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 13:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey, so I took your suggestions as well as two other editors and moved the page to the article space, however the title of the page displays as "Morrison hershfield" instead of "Morrison Hershfield" is there anyway to correct this? I don't see a way through the edit tab. Also good to hear your near completion of your civil engineering degree. I just finished my marketing degree before the summer. If your looking for a field placement or internship Id suggest Morrison Hershfield, even with the conflict of interest haha, Ive found them a very good company to work for and they are always looking for upcoming engineering students. Thanks again for your help. Joe Fielder (talk) 18:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board

I was clearing out the ones that had been done and I noticed this. Where is the discussion? I see the ones for Plymouth and Cambridge but not one for Scarborough. Cheers. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 02:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

There was none. I went through what I thought was all the Scarborough's and checked the pave views and most of them were 1/10th of the Canadian Scarborough. Was just following the reasoning that had been used against me. Take 'er off the list. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 02:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

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Nationalism

The only 'stink of nationalism' appears to come in the form of comments by members of a certain lobby (not from the UK) that has suddenly decided to start a campaign against the articles on a number of highly notable British settlements. --Kudpung (talk) 23:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Which have several notable offspring in North America which over the past several hundred years have gained their own notoriety. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 00:46, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Plymouth

The better argument involves No Primary Topic by virtue of hits. But yes, I have encountered POV pushing from British users at Plymouth, Lincoln and elsewhere Purplebackpack89 04:16, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

That was the argument that I was trying to make; that several Plymouth's are important. "It's indubitably the Primary topic" is chirped repeatedly at you by Britman and LondonLover (anonymous names used). I'm somebody who is very indepth into geography. I've studied maps far and wide. Though I knew the place names came from British place name, I've never actually heard references to a Peterborough, or a Renfrew, or a Cambridge, or a Plymouth in Britain. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 04:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
It's pretty obvious to a non-Brit that the majority of Wikipedia users are looking for Cambridges or Plymouths other than the ones in England, unfortunately a disproportionate number of POV-pushing Brits are participating (if you want specific names, I'll email you; one user came out of retirement to vote ). We CLEARLY have the better argument, but we may lose just because CornwallKicksButt et al. POV push with arguments like "Well, it's older", "Well, it's what I think of" and "Well, I don't care what PRIMARYTOPIC says". It's essentially a POV-pushing CABAL Purplebackpack89 02:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I love your hilarious comments above, especially the priceless "I'm somebody who is very indepth into geography ... I've never actually heard references to a ... Cambridge ... in Britain." Perhaps you are a different type of Floydian than you imagine? Regards, Ericoides (talk) 09:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm glad I made you laugh. It's true though. I knew it was in England, but it just doesn't come up over here. Ever. Cambridge refers to a moderate sized city in Ontario. Cambridge University; now there is a term you'll hear in conversation in Canada or America. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 14:22, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Page moves

Please use correct procedure when proposing discussion for page moves. Other systems may invalidate the debate. Thank you.--Kudpung (talk) 23:51, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Please explain what you are talking about, you aren't an automated phone recording. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 00:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Floydian. Within the framework of your concern for correctly prioritizing place names in the disambiguation league, I'm sure your comments at Malvern, Worcestershire#Suggested page move would be most welcome.--Kudpung (talk) 15:44, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

This is an interesting comment: "...all these discussions stink of nationalism." I wonder who started them all? --Kudpung (talk) 23:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Making accusations will not get you anywhere, nor will patronizing me on my talk page. British places are not special exceptions. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 00:00, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

How are you?

Hey Floydian, how are you doing? It's been a while.

Still playing SC4? Got few more cool interchanges to show?

Speaking about highways and stuff, how's the editing coming? Do you know when the DVP will get on the main page? Also I think that this photo of yours should be added to the 401 article somewhere.

So yeah, just wondering how you were. The 2010-14 MTO highway construction program came out so there's a lot more reference material that needs to be added or updated. Anyways cya later!

-Ryan Haljackey (talk) 00:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Busy busy busy! Moved into a new place at the beginning of the month so I was pretty occupied. Just got my new laptop and SC4 is installed and... crashing. Only happened once so far, for no apparent reason; I'm hoping it was a fluke.
I also discovered my library card gives me access to the Globe and Mail and Toronto Star pages of the past. Lots and lots of history is coming unwound, so I'm going to go through the 400 series one at a time and try to complete them. Highway 403 is first in line! I'll see if I can incorporate that image in, but some have to go. I'm thinking the winter storm, or the Pickering c/e shot? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 01:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Hope that was a fluke. I recently got a new computer with a Solid State Drive (SSD). Windows boots up in 30 seconds. SC4 with all my plugins loads in about a minute. About a minute more for my massive cities to load. Cool fact about your card. Don't get anything nearly as cool as that in London. The 403 next? Only ever driven it from the 401 in Woodstock to the QEW in Burlington, but since the Red Hill opened, I just use the Linc. If a picture in the 401 article needs to be replaced maybe the 401/400 photo or the 1989 pic could also be candidates? The winter storm one could get replaced with a better photo once the snow hits here, preferably showing the snowplow formation, so I'd leave it in. The Pikering shot is of good quality but could be scrapped. It's up to you. Nice to hear from you! Haljackey (talk) 02:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't make it personal

If you want to make comments like this I suggest doing so on the users talkpage. The atmosphere is already bad enough at all these move requests and dragging it down further isn't going to help the discussion. Quantpole (talk) 08:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not taking it personal. I'm trying to get to the bottom of all these opposers and uncover that there really is absolutely no reasoning to oppose besides "I don't think so". No statistics, no agreements, no primary topic. To have someone raise an argument against a move that also shows acceptance towards another move, which they recently opposed as essentially a 'waste of time', just shows that it is entirely a regional bias and that this person has no logical reasoning for their decisions. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 15:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
You don't need to point it out. It's obvious there are some people who oppose for these reasons, but no one takes them seriously. By generalising people who oppose as being bias, you are creating a bad, unconstructive atmosphere. It undermines those of us who have put forward constructive reasons for opposing. Jolly O Janner 16:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Generic county road markers

Would you be OK with a set of generic images county road markers for {{Jct}} and {{Jcon}}? I'm thinking of a generic trapezoid numbered from 1-199 299 large enough to read at 20px. The only thing I'm concerned about is the number of color combinations that will be needed. Most will be handled by black on white, but the other two combinations I've seen are black on yellow for Peel Region, and white on blue for Niagara Region. Can you think of any more? –Fredddie™ 04:35, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

They're white on green in some counties (forget which one(s) offhand, but I know I've seen them) and oddly shaped in others (ie rounded in Ottawa). Besides the colours though, as long as they're centred I'm fine. Hamilton and Niagara both have numbers over 200 as well. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 05:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
So do the numbers get smaller as you increase, that is, 1-99 would be 12 inches (30 cm), while anything over 100 would be 10 inches (25 cm), or are they all the same height? –Fredddie™ 22:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Good question. I looked through Doug Kerr's stuff. This photo, though blurry, seems to do the greatest justice. It shows 44 next to 144; the heights are the same, but the width narrows slightly. Hamilton is weird, I'm not even sure they use roadgeek fonts...[1] - ??o??ia? t ¢ 05:00, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Veterans Memorial Parkway

I've been doing some major editing to the Veterans Memorial Parkway article. Whenever you have a free moment, would you be able to give it a quick look at? Just looking for some feedback.

Sorry about the edits on the DVP. Although when you deleted most of it you stated that the MC-Freeways were to be taken out. However in the DVP article the MC-Freeway sign remains... I think you took out the HOH sign instead. Maybe a little mixup there? Just letting you know. Haljackey (talk) 05:46, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Besides the same issue as the DVP (marker size and MC-freeway sign), take a look at WP:RJL for the intersection table. The only other thing I'd recommend is not flooding the text with the citation needed tags. Just leave it unsourced if you already have the sources at hand (but need to go back and write them up), or userspace it and blank it outright if you can't find anything and you're starting fresh. Otherwise looks like you've really beefed it up well. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 05:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Ok I'll resize the shields... 20 pixels too big? What should be the appropriate size? Those citations need to get fixed... They were part of the old article before I refurbished it so I either need to find sources for them or change/delete them. They are more placemarkers and it lets the readers know that what they're reading may not be entirely accurate for the time being. Thanks for the feedback!
By the way I'll be GTA-bound on Wednesday. Not sure if I can get any good shots along the way (on a coach for a class trip looking at redevelopment projects and new urbanist communities) but I'll let you know if I get any decent results. People from London can't really decide how to get to Toronto.. pretty much 50% of them take the 401/427 while the other half take the 403/QEW. Not sure what way I'll be going. Haljackey (talk) 16:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
13px is what I've been using for the King's Highway shields. Good to know you're planning on cleaning it up. In the future you may want to just tag the entire article or section with {{refimprove}}.
If you're coming by way of the 403, any photos you can get as you descend the escarpment in Hamilton would be really useful. If you take the 401, an updated picture of the Woodstock-Cambridge section that was just opened to six lanes would be awesome, or anything you can catch out in Mississauga.
Need to find somebody Windsor bound. I want pictures of the construction started so far on the Windsor-Essex Parkway. Enjoy your trip :) - ??o??ia? t ¢ 19:12, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
13 pixels? Ok I'll change that.
Just got got some great air photo from a friend of mine (he's a pilot) and he has some terrific shots of some of the highways and interchanges in the Greater Golden Horseshoe and the London area. He also doesn't give a crap if I upload em. Might be useful for the 400 series articles. Haljackey (talk) 21:59, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
9 highway air photos from the Greater Golden Horseshoe available here in standard resolution: [2]. Let me know what ones you like and I'll upload em to the commons. Haljackey (talk) 02:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
ALL OF THEM!!! Those are sexy, and I really hope that the graphics lab is able to fix up that DVP shot, because it is awesome. The 427 shot is perfect, as is the QEW... Ah, all of them are great and I'm sure they could all be used somewhere (I'm thinking Sheppard Avenue for the 401 picture). - ??o??ia? t ¢ 04:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
lol, I'll get the native resolution images onto the commons. I've got an hour to kill before Conan comes on. Haljackey (talk) 05:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok I got them up. I also included a second perspective of the 427-qew-gard junction so you can decide which is better. Do with them what you wish. My friend doen't give a crap how they are used, a rarity for aerial photos.

Toronto_Airport

QEW_Skybridge

GO_Rail_Yards

Gardiner_Expressway_Westbound

Freeman_Interchange

DVP_viaduct_air_photo

427_and_Airport

Highway_410-401-403

404_North

Highway_403_Hamilton

401-Younge

427_take_2

Haljackey (talk) 05:38, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Went to Milton first on my trip today. Then headed to the Toronto Waterfront and then to Unionville and Cornall (Markham). Didn't get too many shots of highways but you can view my half decent results from the day here: [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

It was also the first time I was on the DVP. Moved at a snail's pace northbound at 3pm. Haljackey (talk) 03:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Must have been a day ending in 'y' :) - ??o??ia? t ¢ 03:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
lol. One thing I noticed on the DVP is that drivers seem to be very courteous to one another, unlike the road rage I see on other municipal expressways when they're congested. I guess they know if they all work together traffic will move a little faster. Haljackey (talk) 02:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Teamwork Barnstar
In working on the DVP article, I feel you went the extra mile to make it a successful team effort. And a successful one leading to an FA. Cheers! ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 16:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Awesome! Thanks very much Alaney. I couldn't have done it without you! Not only that, but you've opened up a plethora of sources for highway articles all across Ontario. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 03:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

CRWP banner

So all of the assessment categories are created. CBM is set to code the bot to create the CRWP leaderboard on Sunday. (I figure it will start to generate the table Sunday or Monday.) I've placed a bot request to see if someone can automate the tagging. Even if they did, we'll still have manual work sorting if articles need maps, infoboxes, shields, etc. Of course the immediate concern is to get the banner on the articles, remove the |roads parameter from the other banner and retire the ONRD-specific banner. If you're handy enough with AWB, I'm sure you could run the ONRD banner transclusions and convert them over to the CRWP banner. If I understood regex well enough, I'd have tried to run all of the CRWP articles by now. Imzadi 1979 ? 07:39, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ontario Highway 77

The article Ontario Highway 77 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Ontario Highway 77 for things which need to be addressed. Dough4872 00:30, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the review! I'm making the changes now. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 04:46, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Ontario road articles by quality

Category:Ontario road articles by quality, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Imzadi 1979 ? 09:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

The last remnants of the Golden Horseshoe Roads project...

... are up for deletion at CfD, MfD, RfD and FfD. Imzadi 1979 ? 09:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Just CSD them under G6 - ??o??ia? t ¢ 17:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Check what you're doing

Apologies for the misspelling. --Admrboltz (talk) 01:37, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Dual carriageway

Hey Floydian, did you ever come up with an idea for our Dual carriageway move dilemma ? UrbanNerd (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Given that most people were opposed, I think the best move would be to create the pages in sandbox, then propose switching the whole system. It's very oddly structured as it is, and spread across far too many articles; but only attacking one leg of the table will accomplish little at the moment. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 18:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Concerns about NPOV in Mining article

Yes, I know what you mean, and a few weeks ago I made a section right here in the talk page where I wrote:

"Important new details and information being made known by the miners themselves, about things like "burning tires to keep warm", "pushing and shoving and frustration at first", then "calming down and organizing", and different details. Just keep a listen and look-out to new information and before-unknown nuances of just what went on down there during those 10 weeks."

So far, it seems no one has really put in the tid-bits about the shoving and anger in the mine, and frustrations, and stresses, to any real extent. On this 2010 Copiapó mining accident article. I would have done it, but I was busy with other aspects, and also wasn't sure where to integrate certain details. ResearchRave (talk) 09:51, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Now that I've handed my essay in and have some more time on my hands, I may bring myself to do it soon. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 16:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I understand. Whenever you can is fine. I'm sure you would do a good job on it, and add some good facts onto it, and make the article more balanced. The article is good, overall, but could still use a little improving here and there. Cheers. ResearchRave (talk) 06:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

CRWP retagging

Why aren't you pulling the |road=yes parameter out of the WP:CANADA banner? You reverted a bunch of Admrboltz's edits, and then re-edited the talk pages with AWB. The net effect is that the parameter is still in the national banner, which is a bad thing. That needs to be pulled too because it's sorting the articles into the wrong categories. Imzadi 1979 ? 07:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Their edits were sporadic from my complete list of articles, messed up my AWB run that I was in the midst of, and set a "provence" parameter. As MSGJ mentioned, the code can be left and disabled in the template since its a talk page banner. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 07:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: I'm not pulling it because I forgot to set a rule to do that on my AWB run. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 07:38, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Any switches I've made though have removed the parameter now. The sooner that parameter is killed in both effect and usage the better. Otherwise we'll have articles in two national-level assessment category trees, and in the interim, it just looks messier. After the parameter is killed, we should edit the talk pages to remove the code. Why not remove it now in one edit? Imzadi 1979 ? 07:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Just set it now, but I'm on the last 36 pages of 706. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 07:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you run AWB and remove the extra parameter from the ON articles' talk pages? That way we have an accurate count of how many articles need to be retagged yet? That count should be the number of articles at User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Canada Roads, which is updated daily by the bot. Imzadi 1979 ? 08:45, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the roads parameter from the Canada banner or the TCH parameter that I added to a bunch of Ontario highways? - ??o??ia? t ¢ 14:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
|road=yes from the Canada banner. --Admrboltz (talk) 15:25, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

A Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell

There is no rationale in either case. Please read our non-free content criteria. If you take it to ANI, you will be told that there is no rationale, and be asked to respect our NFCC. This is not complicated. I have already threatened to block Parrot of Doom if he continues to disregard our NFCC. J Milburn (talk) 17:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Well let's find out, shall we? - ??o??ia? t ¢ 17:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Like I said, the issue was just explained to you again. I appreciate that a second rationale has now finally been added to File:Pink floyd wearing the inside out.ogg, so I will stop removing it, but copying and pasting normally isn't the best way around this issue. These are high quality articles, I fully accept that, so it would be best if the rationales were high quality as well, explicitly explaining what the file adds in each case, and explicitly explaining why that needs to be shown with reference to what is said in the article. I get that you aren't a fan, but our NFCC are very much policy, and they are something that should be respected, not pushed. It is very much worth taking the time to fine-tune the rationales so that someone looking at the file can be completely certain that all uses meet our NFCC. I've seen plenty of great articles ruined by sloppy use of NFC. J Milburn (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I know, I'm leaving it to POD or someone more experienced with fair use rationales to tinker with. I just wanted to end the content dispute. As I mentioned on ANI, it helps to point out what others are missing. Everyone saw a fair use rationale and didn't even bother to check which article it was for, but that could be because your edit summaries gave the impression of there being no rationale for the image at all. No harm in pointing out that the rationale isn't for the article in question; would have prevented a headache. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 18:41, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I honestly saw the distinction as obvious. J Milburn (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
It definitely is once you notice it. Humans defend their opinions with blind rage though. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 18:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Amen to that. Hope there're no hard feelings; I take back my comments here, I can see you're clearly a reasonable and intelligent person. I've not meant to attack you in any way. We were just unlucky to end up on opposite sides of the fence, I guess... J Milburn (talk) 19:10, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Pink Floyd Barnstar

The Pink Floyd Barnstar
This award was just added, and it's 's very well-deserved on your part. You should be the first to get it. Friginator (talk) 23:27, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Wow! An honour indeed! I shall wear this badge with pride, thank you good sir. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 03:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Ho ho ho

DYK Vale of Avoca

Hello! Your submission of Vale of Avoca at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Moonraker2 (talk) 03:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Bayview Avenue

Re: Bayview Ave:

You would consider steeles and 16th avenue prestigious? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBigMan29 (talk • contribs) 16:59, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Not at all. I did not notice those two. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 04:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Ontario Highway 403

Do you know what the original configuration of the Freeman Interchange was (when it was just the QEW-403 before the 407 ramps were added) ? I think that it was a "directional T" according to an old map that I used to have, however I can't find online verification. GoldDragon (talk) 02:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

You won't be able to find too much online. However, here is a shot from my 1996 Rand McNally Golden Horseshoe atlas that shows how it was.[8] There was also a rather convoluted Y-interchange with Plains Road right up until the late 90s. Dead-tree references are usually better than online sources. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 04:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Much appreciated the info! The new Freeman Interchange reduces QEW Toronto-bound to 403 westbound traffic to a loop ramp (I guess they want motorists to take the new Red Hill Valley Parkway instead) causing congestion, yet the new ramps to 407 seem redundant as traffic volumes are so low. I also miss the loop ramp in the NW corner of the QEW-Fairview Street parclo, as it looks like the MTO didn't build the QEW Niagara-bound overpass wide enough to accommodate incoming 403 and 407 traffic. As for QEW's Y-interchange with Plains Road and the railroad crossing, I recall that it was still there as late as 1999 (just 2 lanes for QEW Toronto-bound traffic, a real bottleneck).[9] GoldDragon (talk) 04:35, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I recall some origin-destination studies conducted when they were planning the "Hamilton Expressway" that would become the Linc and RHVP. There was relatively little ( < 5000 AADT ) traafic travelling over the bridge and then back through Hamilton on the 403. The plans for Highway 407 were likely finalized in the early 90s (definitely before the private consortium took over though), and may have even been designed as the 403 missing link. That may explain the left-hand exits at the two interchanges at that end of the highway. - ??o??ia? t ¢ 05:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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