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Volokolamskaya (Moscow Metro)

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Предлагаю переименовать Volokolamskaya (Arbatsko-Pokrovskaya Line) в Volokolamskaya (Moscow Metro). Не думаю, что старое название "Волоколамская" станции "Спартак" интересно большинству читателей. В крайнем случае можно поставить {{about}} в шапку статьи. Ворот93 (talk) 23:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Не соглашусь. Ни та, ни другая статья особого интереса для читателей не представляют и так (судя по траффику), поэтому смысла тратить время на разрешение вопроса, какая из них "более важная" особо и нет. Читатели, ищущие статью о действующей станции найдут её и при текущей раскладке и при внедрении вашего предложения, а вот читателям, ищущим станцию Спартак по её старому названию ваше решение жизнь несколько усложнит (примечание в шапке пропустить гораздо проще, нежели страницу разрешения неоднозначностей).
Но это вообще моё частное мнение. Если вы не согласны, то всегда можно зафайлить WP:RM. Я всего лишь пытался избавиться от неоднозначности.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 3, 2013; 16:11 (UTC)

Kirovsk, Leningrad Oblast

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I needed to transliterate one of its former names (Рабочий посёлок при 8-й ГЭС им. Кирова), and I am afraid I failed miserably (also in Kirovsky District, Leningrad Oblast). Could you please have a look? For the record, the article on the district is completed, whereas I am still working on the article on the town, but I am not planning to modify the history section anymore (unless mistakes are found). Thanks in advance.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:21, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, those ugly names are always a hoot... The best that can be done is transliterating them just as they are (remembering that "work settlement" is not a part of the name): "pri 8-y GES imeni Kirova". I've added the district article to the list of things to review; thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 4, 2013; 15:57 (UTC)
Thanks, will do. You probably noticed that I completed Pskov Oblast and have done all the districts in the East of Leningrad Oblast (including Kirishsky, now doing Kirovsky, next Tosnensky). If I can maintain the pace, it is a district per week, meaning I am done in March.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:01, 4 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I've seen them. Myself, I've been a bit swamped at work, so it's not easy finding time to do something more involved than updating census data or other similar mindless stuff (which is easy to do parallel with work). As soon as my workload subsides, I'll be definitely going through those district articles. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 4, 2013; 16:08 (UTC)

{{Rapid transit in the former Soviet Union}}

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Можете переименовать {{Rapid transit in the former Soviet Union}} в {{Rapid transit in Russia}}, удалив по ошибке созданный последний? Ворот93 (talk) 06:13, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Готово.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2013; 20:30 (UTC)

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Ref: Artyomovsky

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Thanks, hadn't seen the disambiguation style guide before. Is there/should there be a bot that looks for that sort of thing? Morfusmax (talk) 01:17, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You'd think so, but in reality this kind of task does not lend itself well for automation. So it's usually just a bunch of loafers with nothing better to do going around and doing the fixes manually :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 12, 2013; 20:18 (UTC)

Happy New Year!!

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Hope you had a good 2012 and a good break. When you get the time, would you please mind reviewing the translations at User:Buckshot06/5th_Operational_Squadron ? Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; hope you are doing well yourself. The translation is of the Russian Wikipedia article, correct? I'll try to take a look at it next week.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 12, 2013; 20:20 (UTC)
Thanks Ezhiki, yes, the Russian wikipedia article is linked in the usual place. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Genders in Russian village names

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Dear Ezhiki, in your articles you combine Russian villages of all genders in one article. For most users this will be a disadvantage as one has to navigate through a page with a mix of all three genders, rather than getting straight to the village in question. I would prefer to follow the Russian and the German Wikipeida which typically have separate articles as for example Alexandrovskoye. Have there been any discussions on this subject so far ? Inwind (talk) 12:53, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this was previously discussed, although it was a while ago. All in all, while for native Russian speakers (and maybe for speakers of other languages where grammatical gender concept is present) putting each form on a separate page makes some sense (although I still disagree it is convenient), such approach confuses the speakers of English to no end. Consider, for example, how English sources often mangle the gender endings (use "Primorsk" instead of "Primorsky", for example), and that various gender forms can be used in Russian to refer to related concepts ("Александровский район", but "Александровская районная администрация")—you never know which form a hapless Anglophone author will lift! Then, there are sources which refer to districts by the names of their administrative centers instead of transliterating the district names, and those can be different even for districts which are eponymous in Russian. Sometimes a place status may change from, say, village to selo; consequently the toponym's gender is amended as well (деревня Луковая vs. село Луковое)—having both references on the same page greatly reduces confusion and increases chances of finding things. And of course there are those gazillions of villages with identical or similar names—it actually helps to see the full list, with all gender forms, when one is not entirely sure which place is being sought. I did expand Alexandrovsky, Russia, by the way, to demonstrate what I mean—I shudder to think of that list being split into three pages (each requiring separate maintenance efforts, on top of everything else I said) and then having to jump between them just to check other gender variations of a place name in the same federal subject.
What's more, mixing all three genders on one page is actually a sound principle—after all, we are dealing with the same adjective. Same goes for singular/plural nouns, although those aren't as common, of course. Dictionaries do it, why not an encyclopedia?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 17, 2013; 13:23 (UTC)

Kavkazskaya

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Dear Ezhiki, on this article I also thought about the best way of disambiguation. There are multiple reasons why Kavkazskaya does not need a disambiguation:

  • 1. The railway station already has an article scheduled (Kavkazskaya railway station) which is clearly disambiguated
  • 2. The article on the town is more likely to be of interest, a hatnote for the station should be sufficient.
  • 3. There are only seven articles on railway stations in the whole of Russia outside the big metros, which means chances are that no one will ever write an article on the station - unless this remark makes someone do it.

Even though the typical structure (article on male form carries a disamb, female and neuter are redirects) also has its merits, I find the reasons against it more plausible in this specific case. Unless you feel strongly about it, I will revert. Inwind (talk) 22:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Inwind! First off, I should have been more thorough in my edit summaries; I apologize.
The naming of articles on the Russian inhabited localities in regulated by this guideline, which calls for a disambiguation by locality type when its name conflicts with some other entity (other than another inhabited locality). Consider also that the railway station's name is not "Kavkazskaya railway station" but simply "Kavkazskaya"; the "railway station" part is only added because it is how the articles on railway stations are normally titled. A person inputting "Kavkazskaya" into a search box is as likely to search for the station and for the stanitsa.
Of course, that guideline is not something a successful move request can't override, but I personally find it most unprofitable waste of productive time to quibble over such matters—you are basically making a call to decide which of the several entities is the least obscure :) Truth is, both the station and the stanitsa are very low profile; maybe the latter will draw more requests, but the totals are going to be meager for either entity. Also, Kavkazskaya is not a town, as you said, it is a stanitsa; i.e., a rural locality (a village). Granted, it is a pretty big one for a village, but that is not at all an uncommon occurrence in the south of Russia. In the end, there really isn't anything special about it that would draw a wider audience.
If you are still not convinced, consider also that "Kavkazskaya" is not only the name of the station and the stanitsa, but also a reasonable search request to find Caucasus Governorate (Kavkazskaya guberniya). I'm surprised there is no article about it now, but once it's created, I don't think it'll be as easy to claim that the stanitsa is the most notable search term. Even with the railway stations, while there are only a handful of articles now, all it takes is a railway enthusiast to get the ball rolling. When I started on Wikipedia, there were only about a dozen lame stubs about Russian rural localities; now there are hundreds, and some of them are actually pretty decent. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 18, 2013; 14:15 (UTC)

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Nagorny, near Murmansk

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At List of Soviet Army divisions 1989–91, in the 37th Motor Rifle Division entry there's a Nagorny, roughly in the Murmansk area mentioned. It's not in the list of inhabited localities - can you help? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually two reasons why it's not in that list. First off, its official name was not Nagorny, but Nagornovsky (although it seems that "Nagorny" was its popular colloquial name). It was located in Kolsky District until August 1953, when it was transferred to Murmansk's jurisdiction. Secondly, it was merged into Murmansk and abolished altogether in September 1958. As far as links go, your best bet is probably to link to Nagornovsky (there are currently no other places in Russia by this name); I can create a short stub there if it helps you at all. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 28, 2013; 13:54 (UTC)
Actually, I've just checked another source, and "Nagorny Novy" was this locality's name until August 1951, when it was granted urban-type settlement status.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 28, 2013; 13:58 (UTC)
Thanks Ezhiki. If Nagornovsky was a town/village, how can it have been abolished? Is it now just an outlying suburb/area of Murmansk, is that what you mean? Buckshot06 (talk) 22:13, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was abolished as a separate inhabited locality and merged into Murmansk as its integral part. Things like this were pretty common in Soviet times, when the cities actually grew in size. I don't have a detailed map of Murmansk on me now, so I can't tell you if it's currently an outlying area or if the city grew around it even further. Either way, it's still a part of Murmansk. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 28, 2013; 22:24 (UTC)
Thanks Ezhiki. Any help you can give me on Novaya Alexandrovka, in Ukraine, maybe somewhere near Zaporozhia? Definitely Odessa Military District, but no particular data on oblast. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:29, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll check the literature I have on Ukraine, but I don't really have much on places outside Russia. "Novaya Alexandrovka" is an awfully common place name, too (but I assume you did see this, although I don't believe it's a complete list).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 11, 2013; 15:03 (UTC)

Balagansk

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Hi, can you add an infobox, data and sources?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 00:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added it to my to-do list. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 29, 2013; 15:46 (UTC)
Actually, now only administrative divisions sources are needed, everything else I have done (I still need to add a couple of things for transportation, but I have sources for those).--Ymblanter (talk) 15:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks! I'm sort of trying to hold off on the urban-type settlement articles until I can do them all together, but if you can expand them in the meanwhile, that's terrific.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 29, 2013; 16:04 (UTC)
For me, it is more convenient to do them simultaneously with the districts, since I can then copy history and other info, but occasionally creating/expanding is not really a problem. I still think it would be good to create a list of red-linked urban-type settlements (probably it can be somehow easily copied from the articles on administrative divisions).--Ymblanter (talk) 16:07, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah crud, I did promise you that list, didn't I? I actually wrote a query to pull this list from my database and soon discovered that a number of the links need fixing in Wikipedia (mainly because a number of set indices did not exist yet). That's where I must have got distracted, because I never finished that task. I'll try to get this list to a usable form sooner than later! Thanks for the reminder. Also, if you need such a list for just one federal subject, I can take care of it fairly quickly; just let me know.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 29, 2013; 16:15 (UTC)
Thanks. I thought for federal subjects I can use articles Administrative divisions of Xxx Oblast, or are some of them substandard? At least all I checked contained the full list of urban-type settlements.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Those lists are for the most part complete, but many have linking problems (i.e., some are at "XXX" instead of "XXX, YYY Oblast", because necessary set indices do not yet exist). It's nothing that can't be fixed later, however, so if using those lists works for you, I see no problem. Considering the kind of work you do (i.e., you are not mass-creating stubs by the dozen), the impact on the maintenance backlog is minimal.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 29, 2013; 16:43 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Indeed, linking is a problem, I was about to create the article on Ulyanovka (which has to be a set index) when I accidentally discovered Ulyanovka, Leningrad Oblast (which probably needs to be renamed). No, I am not going to mass-create anything.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:46, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ulyanovka, Leningrad Oblast is actually fine and I've just created the Ulyanovka set index. Enjoy!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 29, 2013; 16:57 (UTC)
Great, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since Balagansk was nominated for DYK, I added a placeholder reference for municipal division and OKATO for administrative division, but if at some point you get some time to check/upldate the references in the infobox, it will be great.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:49, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, DYKs are important. I'll take care of the adm/mun stuff later today.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 4, 2013; 14:50 (UTC)
Unfortunately, Irkutsk Oblast does not yet have an administrative-territorial registry, but since Balagansk is an administrative center, its stats are available in the main administrative-territorial law (which I used instead of OKATO). The municipal data were correct, I just formatted the ref names to match the format used in other articles. I also went through the rest of the articles, flagged some things which I think need to be looked into further, but have not verified the accuracy of the information or researched anything further myself. Another minor thing is the spelling choice and units format—the article currently uses the mix of British and American spellings and the date formats are used inconsistently as well (some are dmy, others are mdy). I would recommend using American spelling and the mdy format (to match the format used in the references), but the ultimate decision is up to the author, of course.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 4, 2013; 17:48 (UTC)
Thanks. I guess I leave the spelling to the authors with English mothertongue.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:53, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Safonovsky (rural locality)

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Apologies for the creation of a redirect to Safonovsky District. I reverted the change right away. Thanks. Stubbleboy 18:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. They are easily confused. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 30, 2013; 18:09 (UTC)
Also, wanted to let you know that this disambig page already exists as well. Stubbleboy 18:08, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was me who created both :) One is a disambig; the other is a set index. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 30, 2013; 18:10 (UTC)

Shologonsky Rural Okrug - climate data

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I noticed (amongst much other good fixing up) that you marked the source of climate data in Shologonsky Rural Okrug, Olenyoksky District, Sakha Republic as potentially unreliable. The website I got the data from says here they get data from (among other sources) ogimet.com. I looked at that site to check for the January extreme low of -61.1°C and found two dates for this temperature: January 15 1966 and January 30 1969, and none lower. In turn ogimet.com says they get their data from NOAA's Global Surface Summary of Day (data request form), and confirmed that January 30 1969 did in fact record -78.0°F, which converts to -61.1°C (data output). Obviously it would be incredibly tedious to go through this process for all the data, but I'd consider this check sufficient verification of the overall credibility of the data (at least, more so than 95% of Wikipedia's climate data). Dendrite1 (talk) 04:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your comment! I understand what you are trying to say but I think your own comment shows what the problem with that source is. First I should note that per Wikipedia's guidelines, a reliable source does not necessarily mean it is accurate, and an accurate source is not necessarily a reliable one. Per WP:RS, a source is considered to be reliable when it is (among other things) "published" by a "third party" with "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". With that in mind, there is, of course, no problem accepting the NOAA's data on those grounds (even though NOAA is not technically a third-party source—another requirement of WP:RS—but we are dealing with nothing but the raw data requiring no sophisticated interpretation), but it is very important to consider where the data come from. If they came from NOAA itself, I'd have no problem, but as you yourself demonstrated, they come from a private website, supported by one individual who, in turn, seem to have lifted the data from another website, which also seems to be a private project (I can't read Spanish, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but the copyright notice at the bottom of the page lists only one person). Both sites fail the "published" and "fact-checking" requirements of WP:RS, seem to be self-published, and, as you aptly illustrated, it takes a significant effort to verify that the data were copied properly and it would take prohibitive amount of time to check every article where the data are used. All in all, it is not Wikipedians' job to verify the accuracy of the data in a source which meets the WP:RS criteria, but it is our job to assess whether the source being used meets the reliability criteria in the first place. In my opinion, climatebase.ru does not, even though it is very likely that the actual data they have are accurate (incidentally, this is the primary reason why I merely flagged the source instead of completely removing the Climate section). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 1, 2013; 15:38 (UTC)
Hi, I am inclined to agree that the source doesn't meet the "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" requirement of WP:RS (I'd argue that it does meet the "published" part, since all that appears to require is that the information is available to the public, which it clearly is - but this is beside the point.) There did appear to be a sort of unofficial consensus that such sources were acceptable for non-controversial climate data, based on them not being marked or removed in other high-traffic pages - even featured articles such as Mangalore. That said, I can't fault your logic here, so I'm happy to leave things as they are for now. Dendrite1 (talk) 11:42, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Location map

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Please update the template for:

Template:Location map Russia Buryatia Template:Location map Russia Voronezh Oblast

There have a window now.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:42, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All taken care of now. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 4, 2013; 14:47 (UTC)

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Wikivoyage

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Hi Ezhiki. I've been meaning to ask you if you have any interest in Wikivoyage? I've added some images to some Russian places, but alot of work is needed. I'm too busy to do much over there, and I know you're busy here too, but it seems to be a good new project. I like working with images, so I try to do a little here and there when I have time. INeverCry 06:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I am a Russian Wikivoyage administrator, but unfortunately I have little time to contribute to English Wikivoyage.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree that it's a good project but unfortunately I'm not doing too well with my to-do list here on en_wiki even. I don't think I can find time to do any meaningful contributions there. That said, if I can be of any assistance, please don't hesitate to contact me (just don't make me translate anything longer than one paragraph :)). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 8, 2013; 14:25 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #44

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Deployment of the first parts of phase 2 (infoboxes/statements) on wikidata.org done - see it live for example here, here and here
    • Diffs for statement edits can now be shown
    • Started work on query definitions
    • Edit links are now disabled in the interface when the user does not have the rights to edit
    • Edit links are now hidden when viewing old revision
    • Worked on search field for WikibaseSolr
    • More work on Lua templates for Wikibase entities
    • Worked on bugfixes in the statement user interface
    • New features in the statement user interface (references counter/heading)
    • JavaScript editing for table showing labels and description of the same item in different languages
    • Repaired and updated the demo system
    • Resumed work on Linked Data interface
    • Support for enhanced recent changes format in client
    • There are automatic comments for statement edits as well in the history now
    • Special page for unconnected pages, that is pages on the client that are not connected to items on the repository
    • Added permission checks for statements, so a user that can not edit will not be able to edit or that only a group can be allowed to do some changes like creating statements
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  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Open Tasks for You
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Józef Sękowski

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Is there any reason Józef Sękowski shouldn't be moved to Osip Senkovsky, the name by which he is universally known in English? He wrote entirely in Russian and according to the biographical-critical article by Louis Pedrotti in the Dictionary of Literary Biography (Vol. 198) "chose to make an official break with his Polish past," so it makes no sense to treat him as primarily a Pole. But I don't want to make the change without checking with a Hedgehog of Great Experience. Languagehat (talk) 21:20, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I am flattered by your, ahem, flattery :), I am ashamed to admit that I've never heard of this person until today. I see, however, that you've added that this person is "usually known in English by his Russian name", and since you are one of those rare people who usually know what they are talking about, you probably can demonstrate sufficient proof to back that statement up if anyone asks to. So, with that premise in mind, Wikipedia's guidelines are certainly on your side if you decide to move this article to "Osip Senkovsky". If he is indeed primarily known in English under that spelling, then there is no reason why the article's title should be anything else! For personal names, the usage in the English-language sources is pretty much the only thing that matters. I don't know if my comment is of much help to you, but, being unfamiliar with the subject, I'm afraid this is the extent of what I can usefully contribute to this discussion.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 11, 2013; 14:58 (UTC)
Great! Of course your comment is of help; I don't care whether you know anything about Senkovsky/Sękowski, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any obvious reason to hold back. Since you haven't held up a prickly stop sign, I'll go ahead. Thanks, as always! Languagehat (talk) 15:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Yanisyarvi", but Virmajärvi

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The Jänisjärvi, ru:Янисъярви - hare lake, заячье озеро - is a Finnish name. Also Virmajärvi, ru:Вирмаярви is a Finnish name. However, how it is possible that Jänisjärvi is written in English "Yanisyarvi", but Virmajärvi is Virmajärvi? --WPK (talk) 15:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The former lake is located in Russia, so in English its name is transliterated from Russian (a standard practice employed by BGN/PCGN and by Wikipedia). The latter lake is located on the border of Russia and Finland, so in English either the Finnish name or the transliterated Russian name can be used. When dealing with obscure objects which don't have much coverage in English, the choice of a variant to use as the article title depends on the territory of which country the larger part of the lake is located (if over a half of it is in Finland, then Finnish name is preferred, and if over a half of it is in Russia, then the transliterated Russian name is used). If, as is the case with Virmajärvi, these proportions can't be readily verified, then the spelling choice of the first major contributor will until more detailed information is available.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 15, 2013; 15:41 (UTC)
However, the larger part of the lake is located in Russia: 62°54′31″N 31°35′11″E / 62.90861°N 31.58639°E / 62.90861; 31.58639. --WPK (talk) 16:08, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Once someone adds a reliable source to the article confirming this (looking at the map and calculating ratios is considered to be original research), the article can be moved.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 15, 2013; 16:14 (UTC)
You can see e.g. here, how the name Янисъярви should be written in Latin alphabets. Nobody has claimed that the picture in Wikimedia Commons is '"false" or "own research". --WPK (talk) 10:37, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As it was previously explained to you on multiple occasions: a) a picture is not a "reliable source". See the definition of what a "reliable source" is here; b) a sign in Russian and Finnish/Karelian (?) which hangs in Russia has no influence whatsoever on how a name is spelled in English; c) go here and search for "Yanis'yarvi". Click through the results. Come back here when you find the "Jänisjärvi" spelling in any of the fields related to the entities in Russia (but please not before that).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 18, 2013; 14:40 (UTC)
The name Янисъярви is Finnish and is written in Latin alphabets Jänisjärvi. As You know, both Finnish and English use Latin alphabets, so Янисъярви has to be written also in English Jänisjärvi - and Вирмаярви is Virmajärvi. If You do not believe, look at the Republic of Karelia State Government Bodies' Official Web Portal The Official Karelia by the search results for name Jänisjärvi or Essoila or Helylä or Pitkäranta or Värtsilä etc. etc. Look at the Local Bodies of Power Urban Districts and Metropolitan Regions of the Republic of Karelia, too (Lahdenpohja, Louhi, Pitkäranta and Suojärvi metropolitan regions). --WPK (talk) 16:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize that the spelling choice of the Russian websites also does not affect which spelling is used in English in general? You do realize that they did not even bother to be consistent ("Pitkyaranta", "Vyartsilya", "Loukhi" (and bastardized "Lakhdenpohja"), both "Suojärvi" and "Suoyarvi" used on the same page, this map)? You do realize that spelling choice in Wikipedia is regulated by internal guidelines which are built on the practices used by the English-speaking countries (which Russia is not)? You do realize that neither BGN nor PCGN, the ultimate authorities on how Russian place names should be rendered in English, do not use any other method than transliterations of the Russian names? You do realize that you already tried to use these exact same examples a couple years ago and were explained what's wrong with them? Come back when you have something fresh, please.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 18, 2013; 16:42 (UTC)
First You write ´a picture is not a "reliable source"´, but then recommend to look at another picture - by the way, in the map picture stands Lahdenpohja (not "Lakhdenpokhya").
You do realize that both the Finnish and the English language uses Latin alphabets? You do realize that Finnish names also in Russia has to be written in English by Latin alphabets? Also the same with German-based or Italian names, so Имени Карла Либкнехта > Imeni Karla Liebknechta and Тольятти > Togliatti.
You do realize that BGN and PCGN concern Russian names, because the Russian language uses Cyrillic alphabets? You do realize that BGN and PCGN do not concern Finnish, German, Italian etc. names, which are transliterated in Russian, because the Finnish, German, Italian etc. languages use Latin alphabets?
Hopefully You have a clear thought that just one person can not change any names from one language to another language, e.g. in Finland are many places, which have only Swedish names and that is natural situation.
--WPK (talk) 10:34, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What you say is utterly, horribly, tremendously irrelevant. Why do not you go and read Wikipedia policies?--Ymblanter (talk) 10:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 19, 2013; 13:14 (UTC)
When some place in Russia has a Finnish name, like Lahdenpohja, transliterated in Russia Лахденпохья, of course it has to be written in English Lahdenpohja. "Lakhdenpokhya" would be utterly, horribly and tremendously wrong. One of the Wikipedia policy is that names should be written right. Also, in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Cyrillic) stands:
When something has a conventional name in English, use that name instead of transliterating. Conventionally-used names may stem from various sources:
  • They may be anglicized versions, e.g., Aleksandr→Alexander, Iosif→Joseph, Moskva→Moscow.
  • They may be transliterated by a different system, or for another language, e.g., Rossiya→Rossija, Rus→Rus’, Chaykovskiy→Tchaikovsky.
  • They may be simplified, more familiar-looking, or easier to pronounce for English-speakers, e.g., Gorbachyov→Gorbachev, Kray→Krai, Khrushchyov→Khruschev, Yuriy→Yuri.
  • They may be names borrowed into Russian from a third language, e.g., Petergof→Peterhof.
BGN and PCGN concern Russian names, because the Russian language uses Cyrillic alphabets, not the Finnish, German, Italian etc. names.
So. the name "Yanisyarvi" is wrong, but Virmajärvi (the larger part of the lake is located in Russia) right.
--WPK (talk) 14:38, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, not really. Would you please go and read the policies.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The word "of course" is the whole problem here—beyond wishful thinking, you never support it with any proof why it must be so obvious. Plus you are not paying attention to what a "conventional name" is (a hint—it's not a name in a language other than Russian). Places in Russia's back of beyond with no or little coverage in English-language academic sources do not in fact have "conventional names in English", and when no conventional name exists, the convention is to use the romanization of the Russian name. If you don't like this, by all means write a letter to your senator or start a campaign to have the BGN/PCGN practices changed. We can't help you with any of that, however.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 19, 2013; 15:30 (UTC)
You seriously argue, that e.g. Jänisjärvi, in Cyrillic script Янисъярви (заячье озеро) - hare lake - would be a Russian compound word? Where is a single reliable source that words jänis and järvi, in Cyrillic янис and ярви are Russian origin?
It can not be so, that non-Russian word, which is written in Latin alphabets, somehow changes via Russian language and Cyrillic script when writing back to Latin alphabets: Jänisjärvi → Янисъярви → "Yanisyarvi". Instead of it, e.g. fi:Virmajärvi → ru:Вирмаярви → en:Virmajärvi.
--WPK (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Like you were pointed out many times before, the origin of the toponym does not matter in the slightest. The only thing that matters is how that toponym is written in Russian; that is what used for romanization. The rest of what you said is nothing but a straw man argument.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 19, 2013; 17:38 (UTC)
However, e.g. the toponym Jänisjärvi has been originally written in Finnish, by Latin alphabets. So the romanization concerns not to toponyms, which are not Russian origins. --WPK (talk) 17:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For the purpose of transliteration of Russian toponyms, how it was (or is) written in Finnish matters just as much as how it is written in Swahili or Klingon. Once again, when a Russian toponym is romanized, its origins are not taken into consideration. At all. Once you understand this, everything else will fall into place.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 19, 2013; 17:54 (UTC)
Naturally it matters, if the toponym is a Finnish name, like Jänisjärvi or Tolvajärvi, on which area i.a. the Battle of Tolvajärvi was fought. --WPK (talk) 18:21, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Naturally, it matters only to you. If you look at industry practices and standards closely, considering word origins during romanization isn't a part of any single one of them (seriously, do check them out). Wikipedia is no different. That you are mixing geography, history, cherry-picked examples, and a kitchen sink in your posts doesn't help your case either.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 19, 2013; 18:28 (UTC)
Anybody, including Ëzhiki, has no monopoly to create and decode his own rules of romanization. The BGN/PCGN concerns the Russian names and toponyms, not the Finnish, German, Italian etc. toponyms of Russia. --WPK (talk) 11:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I'm not old enough to have been around when the BGN adopted its system in 1944 and the PCGN followed suit in 1947. Nor am I affiliated with those organizations in any way or can influence their decisions.
You are absolutely right on your second point, however. The BGN/PCGN concerns with all Russian toponyms on the territory of Russia. Your problem is that you are trying to replace Russian toponyms (and consequently, their romanizations) with their Finnish, German, Italian, etc. equivalents. It doesn't work that way, because while the Russian names may have a variety of different origins, these origins do not matter at all for the purpose of romanization. Whatever you call transforming "Янисъярви" into "Jänisjärvi", it is not romanization of Russian into English. It is something else, so it can't possibly be covered by the romanization rules which deal with only Russian and English.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 20, 2013; 17:00 (UTC)
Thanks for Your answers. Anyhow, I can not understand, how it is possible to write e.g., that the place Rakhya has named after Jukka Rahja? Instead is sensible, that the place Rahja has named after Jukka Rahja. --WPK (talk) 11:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome; I'm glad I was able to at least bring the point across, if not to have you agree with it :) As for your question, the answer is that it is not really a problem. The explanation stems from the very definition of romanization, which, in a broad sense, is "the representation of a written word or spoken speech with the Roman script, using the methods of transliteration and transcription"; BGN/PCGN also includes into the definition the purpose—"establishing standardized Roman-script spellings of foreign geographic names originally written in non-Roman scripts"). As it's easy to see, there exists no need to "standardize" people's names, which is why spellings from the language of origin are often used (often by the people themselves). However, such a need is a part of the definition of romanization of place names. Also, from the practical point of view, if all a reader has to work with is a toponym in Russian (Cyrillic), it would have been insane to require that reader to first do research into that toponym's origins and roots before they could romanize it "properly". The whole point of having a romanization system is to be able to arrive to the standard English spelling using nothing but the original Russian spelling.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 22, 2013; 16:28 (UTC)
"It would have been insane to require that reader to first do research into that toponym's origins and roots..." Not at all, just in Wikipedia - in encyclopedia - has to be given the information, that Imeni Karla Liebknechta is named after an German politician Karl Liebknecht, Togliatti after an Italian politician Palmiro Togliatti etc. By the way, the university uses the name Togliatti State University, the management academy Togliatti Academy of Management and the chemical company Togliattiazot.
The problem or difficult seems to be that the Russian language is written in Cyrillic alphabets. If in the Russian language will be used Latin alphabets, e.g. Rahja (fi) would have got its name after Jukka Rahja (fi), also in English.
--WPK (talk) 11:27, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is Your opinion concerning the romanization in the names Togliatti State University, Togliatti Academy of Management and Togliattiazot? --WPK (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion is the same as it was when you last asked this exact same question.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 18:19 (UTC)
And if "Russian were using the Latin alphabet", it is not at all obvious that the spelling would be "Rahja". Just check out the interwiki links for something like Lakhdenpokhya. Hardly any two languages which use the Roman script natively spell it the same way!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 18:25 (UTC)
In any case, Лахденпохья/Lahdenpohja situates in Russia, but is a Finnish name and means in [дальний угол или конец залива/бухта] Error: {{Langx}}: text has italic markup (help) and in [bottom or nook of bay/gulf] Error: {{Langx}}: text has italic markup (help). The toponym is already Roman-based and therefore should not be romanized longer again. "Lakhdenpokhya" is a result of double translitteration, from Roman to Cyrillic to Roman.
Accordingly, You mean that e.g. the university and academy write their locality names wrong: Togliatti State University and Togliatti Academy of Management?
--WPK (talk) 11:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #45

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Deployment to English Wikipedia
    • Fix various minor bugs in client, including watchlist toggle with preference to default to always show Wikidata edits
    • Added the new Baso Minangkabau Wikipedia (min)
    • Fixed wrong revision of statements being shown in diff and old revision view
    • Diff visualization for claims (simple version for main snak)
    • Diff visualization for claims (extended version for references, qualifiers, ranks)
    • Tooltip that notifies about the license your contributions will be covered by while editing (can be disabled by each user)
    • Started with valueview refactoring
    • Started with user interface handling of deleted properties
    • Started with refactoring of local partial entity lookup
    • Started with refactoring of toolbar usage in jQuery.wikibase view widgets
    • Finished improvement on jQuery.wikibase.claimview’s edit mode handling
    • Improved search by using entity selector in search field instead of normal MediaWiki search field
    • More work on Lua-based templates for entities
    • Specified the capabilities of the query language we need
    • Created query object
    • Proper bot-flagging of edits (bugzilla:44857)
    • Use of ID to directly address an item or property
    • Search should give more of the complete matches now
    • Special:ItemByTitle should work for canonical namespaces and later on for local namespaces
    • More robust format for notifications of changes on the repository to the client
    • Started work on refactoring API and autocomments code
    • Started to maintain documentation of configuration options in git
  • Discussions/Press
  • Events
    • Upcoming: Wikipedia Day NYC
    • Upcoming: office hour in English tomorrow
    • Note: changed day of next German office hour to March 8
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • We have a time scheduled when Wikidata will be read-only for a database migration. The window for that is Feb 20 19:00 to Feb 21 2:00 UTC.
    • New features and bugfixes on Wikidata are planned to be deployed on Monday (Feb 18). This should among other things include:
      • Showing useful diffs for edits of claims (they’re currently empty)
      • Automatic comments for editing of claims (there are currently none)
      • Ability to add items to claims by their ID
      • Better handling of deleted properties
      • More results in the entity selector (that’s the thing that lets you select properties, items and so on) so you can add everything and not just the first few matches that are shown
    • We’re still working on the issue that sometimes editing of certain parts of items or properties isn’t possible. If you’re running into it try to reload the page and/or change the URL to the www. version or the non-www. version respectively.
    • Deployment on all other Wikipedias is currently planned for March 6 (a note to the Village Pumps of all affected projects will follow soon)
    • Check out a well-done item
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  • Help expand and translate Wikidata/Deployment Questions
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Interwiki removal from articles on districts and localities

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I am going to remove interwiki links (obviously, after checking) from the articles on districts, urban localities, and district centers of Arkhangelsk, Vologda, Novgorod, Pskov, and Leningrad oblast. I am not going to change anything else in those articles, and will leave an obvious summary, so that you do not need to look in the articles. If you have objections, pls let me know. On Wikidata, I left you a message concerning the administrative division - the summary was for "is in", so that it looks we have to accept this variant.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:43, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have no objections whatsoever (in fact, I started to remove interwikies myself, although only when I'm editing an article anyway—don't want to contaminate people's watchlists either).
I've also replied to you on Wikidata.
Thanks for planning to take care of this!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 15, 2013; 21:49 (UTC)
Just saw it, thanks. Concerning the watchlists - this is exactly why I only want to do these articles, I assume we are the only users who watch them, and normally none of us will be editing them for the next year or so. (I will hold off the districts of Leningrad Oblast which I have not done yet).--Ymblanter (talk) 21:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

archive

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Not sure why but i appear to be conflicting with you some how when i try and archive my old discussions.. am i missing something? something blatantly obvious im sure... 4twenty42o (talk) 23:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean. Can you give an example, please?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 20, 2013; 00:13 (UTC)
When I was trying to archive old discussions i was triggering your spam filter. I figured it out though. case of tl/dr :) cheers!! 4twenty42o (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #46

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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Merge requested

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Talk:TKB-09 No. 1. I don't expect to get input from other users. G_PViB (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't decide on whether these two should be merged, not being familiar with the subject, but since the two look like two separate models (even though they are very similar), can you explain why they should be merged at all? At any rate, since you are planning to merge two articles under the new title, there really isn't anything preventing you from doing it yourself. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see why an admin intervention would be required for performing this task. Please let me know if I'm missing something. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 14:24 (UTC)
Considering the unique appearance shared by both weapons, they only could've been developments of each other. Do I simply move both pages to the same location for merge? G_PViB (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Normally it's not a good idea, but since the new title doesn't match any of the old two, it seems that the best way would be to create a new article at TKB-010, redirect the other two to it, and slap an attribution notification on Talk:TKB-010, which should take care of licensing concerns. Moving both into the same place and merging histories is another option, but that'll be one big mess, since the histories are fairly developed and overlapping.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 17:59 (UTC)
What is an attribution notification? G_PViB (talk) 17:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, it's just a generic notification, freely worded. Since it will look as if you are the original author of the merged version, there should be attribution on the talk page. Simply include the names of the articles used for the merged version and the links to their histories.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 4, 2013; 13:57 (UTC)

WP:RU taskforce question

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Hi Ezhiki. I was just wondering what taskforce/s if any can be placed on articles related to Russian insects, animals, and plants/trees/fruits/vegetables? Also, how about foods/drinks? INeverCry 18:37, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I should've looked further down the template. I guess we just use |notaskforce=yes. INeverCry 18:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this is a good question. I would think that since insects/animals/plants fall under zoology/botany, the appropriate taskforce would be "science and education". Food/drinks would probably fit under "demographics and ethnography" (since that's where we have culture and, by extension, cuisine). I think this should work, unless you have a better idea, of course. Too bad Greyhood is no longer around; he was pretty good with this kind of categorization tasks! As far as I remember, his intent was for the taskforces we now have in place to cover every possible Russia-related topic (so there would never be a need to use "notaskforce"). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 18:45 (UTC)
I'd thought of those too. They're a bit of a stretch, but, in the absence of alternatives, they'll have to do. I wonder if Greyhood is coming back? I hope so. It's been quite a while since I've heard from him, and he didn't respond to my season's greetings. INeverCry 18:55, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think the taskforces will need to be reshuffled somewhat at some point in the future anyway, and it's probably best to get everything under some taskforce now so later things can be moved around more easily. I just wish there was a little more interest in the taskforces than we have now! I kind of suspected it was going to be that way when Greyhood first suggested to implement them, but I still hoped to be proven wrong, if only a little :) And yes, it's a pity than Greyhood lost interest. Yet another good editor lost to pointless political squabbles...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 19:04 (UTC)
I've always looked at WP:Russia and the taskforces as more of an organizational tool or method. As for Greyhood, I hope he'll come back at some point. We've never had a whole lot of highly-active WP:Russia members. We should be getting another one of them back in a couple months. INeverCry 19:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that's good news!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 25, 2013; 20:44 (UTC)

Kalevala

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Is Kalevala a Russian-based toponym, although в районе нынешнего посёлка известный финский фольклорист Элиас Лённрот в XIX веке записал многие руны, вошедшие во всемирно-известный карело-финский эпос «Калевала», Kalevala? --WPK (talk) 11:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We've covered the applicability of word origins in this section, so this is not a valid question. The valid question would be "is 'Калевала' a place name in Russia?". The answer to that question is "yes".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2013; 17:22 (UTC)
Yes, Калевала is a place name in Russia, but even as a Finnish name after the Finnish national epic Kalevala.
Also, Лахденпохья/Lahdenpohja is a place name in Russia, but simultaneously a Finnish name and means in [дальний угол или конец залива/бухта] Error: {{Langx}}: text has italic markup (help) and in [bottom or nook of bay/gulf] Error: {{Langx}}: text has italic markup (help). The toponym is already Roman-based and therefore should not be romanized longer again. "Lakhdenpokhya" is a result of double translitteration, from Roman to Cyrillic to Roman.
By the way, You mean that e.g. the university and academy write their locality names wrong: Togliatti State University and Togliatti Academy of Management?
--WPK (talk) 18:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question one and the subject of toponym origins were covered in the section which is six sections above this one. Question two was previously answered as well; kindly use the archives. Come back when you have something new, please.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2013; 18:18 (UTC)
It seems to be very difficult to You admit that You might be wrong, concerning e.g. Kalevala, Lahdenpohja, Togliatti State University and Togliatti Academy of Management. These toponyms are already Roman-based and therefore should not be romanized longer again. "Lakhdenpokhya" and "Tolyatti" are results of double translitteration, from Roman to Cyrillic to Roman. Come back when You can admit something. --WPK (talk) 19:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please kindly desist from posting the same questions over and over again on my talk page. I answered them multiple times before and am not going to waste time answering them again and again. If you can't or don't want to utilize the archives, I can't help you further. You are welcome back on my talk page once you have something fresh to ask.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2013; 19:38 (UTC)
It is no need to be rude, please. Anyhow, do You really signify, that even the state university in Russia writes its site's name wrong in English: Togliatti State University? If so, have You taken a contact to the university? --WPK (talk) 20:37, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no need to be rude, then please don't be. It is extremely unproductive to answer the same questions over and over again only to be asked them again later.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2013; 20:44 (UTC)
However, You have not answered yet, do You really signify, that the Finnish toponym from the Finnish national epic Kalevala in Russia, Kalevala is a Russian name and even the state university in Russia writes its site's name wrong in English: Togliatti State University and if so, have You taken a contact to the university? --WPK (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have and I have.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 4, 2013; 14:00 (UTC)
However, have You taken a contact to the university, that it would correct its site's name Togliatti State University? --WPK (talk) 15:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why would I? That has nothing to do with anything of importance here.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 4, 2013; 15:25 (UTC)
You are right, why would You: the toponym like Togliatti is already Roman-based and therefore should not be romanized longer again and therefore it is no need to try to "correct" the name at all. --WPK (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[6] (replace "Калевала" with "Тольятти").—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 5, 2013; 19:02 (UTC)
Regardless, Togliatti State University and Togliatti Academy of Management exist. --WPK (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, yet this fact is completely irrelevant. An organization may style itself whatever way it wants to, but it doesn't affect how the city is referred to in English by the BGN/PCGN in the slightest.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 11, 2013; 20:13 (UTC)
The organizations, like the Togliatti Academy of Management and even the Togliatti State University do not have the slightest idea, how to write their city name in English? --WPK (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be operating under a false impression that there is only one possible correct way to convey a Russian place name in English. That is not so. Multiple methods and approaches exist, but in the end it's the matter of choosing which one to standardize on. For the purposes of building an encyclopedia, BGN/PCGN's approach in this area works best (and it's indeed the one used in by the vast majority of the English-language reference materials).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2013; 15:20 (UTC)

Управляющий

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Hello Ezhik,

I have troubles to find the difference between "управляющий" and "начальник". For example, what would be a good translation of (a letter to someone): Управляющему III отделением Е. И. В. Канцелярии А. Е. Тимашеву"? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 17:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I don't have a definite answer, but I'd think that a "начальник" would be more like a "director", a "chief", or a "head", while "управляющий" is more like a "manager" or a "curator". A lot depends on what the position's responsibilities actually are, of course. Does this help?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2013; 17:36 (UTC)
Having thought about this a little more, I'd probably go with something like "to the Superintendant of H.I.M. Chancellery's IIIrd Department A. Ye. Timashev."—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 1, 2013; 17:52 (UTC)
Thanks, that is a good suggestion. I guess урправляющий is a higher rank than начальник? Regards. --Tomcat (7) 10:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In my mind, "начальник" sounds like a higher rank than "управляющий", but that's totally speculative (and would depend on the context anyway). Is the distinction important for some article you are working on?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 4, 2013; 14:07 (UTC)
I am not sure if that is important. I am working on Dostoyevsky's bibliography, and it seems the only source for finding some letters is the Russian Complete Works. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 18:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't worry about it then. If you were working on an article describing various managerial positions in the Russian Empire, it would have been a different matter entirely, but for a passing notion any plausible translation should work just fine. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 5, 2013; 18:59 (UTC)
Regarding that Dostoyevsky bibliography, do you think it should contain everything written by Dostoyevsky? For example I am unsure about the inclusion of some explanatory papers regarding his arrest. And do letters also belong to bibliographies? Finally, it seems that some works were not translated into English (let alone other languages), so should I simply name the Russian title, or translate it myself? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 20:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think including everything (as long as you can be sure you are not missing something) is not at all a bad idea; however, minor things such as letters or explanatory notes definitely should not stand in the way of more important things. If I had to do it, I'd probably divide the bibliography into "major works" and "other writings", but that's just me. It's probably worth taking a look at other similar articles to see how large bibliographies are approached there; if the bibliography is going to be very long, it might be a good idea to create a stand-alone list for it and only list major works in the article
As far as titles go, definitely give original Russian and the title in English under which the work was published. For works not published in English, it is OK to provide your own translation—it is simply a matter of courtesy to the readers who don't know Russian. If you can add publication dates (in Russian and in English), it would make it immediately obvious which titles have "official" translations and which do not.
All in all, I don't believe there are hard and fast rules about approaching bibliographies. Do whatever you find feasible, always keep the readers in mind, and you'll do just fine. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 6, 2013; 20:52 (UTC)
Thanks for your helpful comments. I will try to translate the titles, but it won't be as easy as I had felt. If you want you may assist me. — Tomcat (7) 10:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The list you are working on is in this sandbox and the things that still need translating are at the bottom, correct? I'm not going to promise anything (because every time I promise to help with a translation something else preventing or delaying me comes up), but I'm not saying "no" either. Also, if you have any specific terms you are having trouble with, you are more than welcome to continue to post on my talk page. Those archaisms are always fun to figure out.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 15, 2013; 14:53 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #47

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Wikidata weekly summary #48

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Hi, Asfarer! Just wanted to let you know that it is no longer necessary to add interwiki links to the English Wikipedia pages since they all are being migrated to Wikidata. I've moved a few of the interwikis you added (such as this one), but there really is nothing preventing you from adding them straight to Wikidata yourself. If you need help figuring it out, please let me know, I'll be more than happy to help! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 8, 2013; 14:12 (UTC)

No, seriously, is there a reason why you wouldn't add them straight to Wikidata? If you keep adding them here, it simply means that someone else would have to transfer that, which is just a waste of time. If you don't know how to add an interwiki link to Wikidata, please let me know, I'll gladly explain. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 8, 2013; 16:58 (UTC)
Hi! I am sorry for the extra-work. I didn't know the existence of Wikidata. I must say that I was surprised the first time I checked English version (an others like Italian) and I didn't see the "traditional links". So now how does it work, because I really don't know it. --Asfarer (talk) 21:33, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:WDATA is a good starting point.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is an "edit links..." link at the bottom of the interwikies link. If you click it, you'll get to the item page on Wikidata corresponding to our Wikipedia article. There is a section called "List of pages linked to this item"; just scroll down to the bottom, click on the very last "add" link and enter the Wikipedia code (in your case, "ca") in the first box and the name of the article on that Wikipedia in the second. Click "save" and you are done! Feel free to post here if anything remains unclear. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 8, 2013; 21:37 (UTC)

Nomination

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I know you are watching my page, but I would appreciate very much if you could be my (co)-nominator.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:34, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

With great pleasure! I'll wait for the nomination page to be up and will co-nom then.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2013; 12:04 (UTC)
Great, thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:15, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just noticed that one of your co-nominators won't be able to participate for as long as a month and you'll be traveling soon. I can start the nomination this week myself, if you prefer, or I can wait until all three of us are available, whenever that is. Let me know what your preference is.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2013; 16:57 (UTC)
Let us wait for User:Wizardman first and see what the options are. I can certainly wait till April without the bit, I am not really addicted.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I might be traveling in April myself, but nothing major. The rest of March looks pretty clear; no busier than usual. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2013; 17:18 (UTC)

A. I. Shishkin

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Хай. Ай (I) исправила как могла, но название статьи исправить не могу. Имя композитора, сочинившего романс на стихи Лермонтова Нет не тебя так пылко... - Алексей Васильевич Шишкин. Я думаю, что его имели в виду, когда писали A. I. Shishkin. --Lawrentia (talk) 21:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Да надо было просто нажать "Move" и перенести куда надо. Я поправил. Спасибо! И прощу прощения, что не ответил на поздравления и другие письма — у меня продолжается эпопея с веб-мэйлом, в который я могу попасть только с телефона.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2013; 21:38 (UTC)

Thank you!

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Ezhiki, thank you so much for unprotecting the Pope Francis talk page. I've been trying for quite awhile to get it unprotected but no one would help. I was so frustrated that I wrote to Jimbo Wales about it. Thank goodness for common sense admins like you. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 22:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I suspect the protecting admin intended to protect the actual article or do something else and ended up protecting the talk page, although it's a little puzzling why nobody else noticed this for over an hour. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2013; 23:43 (UTC)
Numerous editors, including me, were pleading for it to be unprotected. We were all disregarded either by being ignored or told that the protection was appropriate. Again, it's great having admins around who actually listen and use common sense, like you. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article Feedback deployment

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Hey Ezhiki; I'm dropping you this note because you've used the article feedback tool in the last month or so. On Thursday and Friday the tool will be down for a major deployment; it should be up by Saturday, failing anything going wrong, and by Monday if something does :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #49

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Congratulations with Ярослав!

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Я увидела, что вы тоже имеете к этому отношение. Я очень рада. Я тут его тоже доставала своей английской простотой. И он такой молодец - сразу побежал мне помогать, переводить мой английский в нормальный. В Рус. у нас не очень сложились отношения. Но я сейчас думаю, что он тогда лучше меня знал происходящее и понял, как снегопад: пора валить. Lawrentia (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Log (disambiguation)

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While you're at it, you should remove 'Led Zeppelin' from LZ (disambiguation), 'My Morning Jacket' from MMJ (disambiguation), 'Linking Park' from LP (disambiguation), and 'No Doubt' from ND (disambiguation), they clearly don't follow WP:MOSDAB. What makes Log so special? Th4n3r (talk) 18:26, 23 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! There really isn't anything that makes the Log page special, other than that I have it on my watchlist while the other ones you mentioned I don't. But you are absolutely correct on those pages as well—they shouldn't contain those entries. I have cleaned them up; thank you. In the future, if you stumble upon any more, please feel free to remove such entries without asking. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2013; 13:58 (UTC)

Demoted urban-type settlement

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Are you also going to update Administrative divisions of Arkhangelsk Oblast? If not, I can do it myself using your sources.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am, but since that list is sourced to OKATO, and OKATO hasn't been changed yet, I'm planning to wait until it is. If you don't want to wait, you are more than welcome to update the list now, of course. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2013; 17:42 (UTC)
Yes, indeed, I prefer to have to up-to-date info, similarly to how I have updated Novgorod Oblast. I will try to do it tonight.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, your help is much appreciated.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 25, 2013; 17:48 (UTC)

Wrangel

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Wrangel Island, although in Russian: остров Врангеля, ostrov Vrangelya - why not Vrangel Island ? --WPK (talk) 13:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because like "Moscow", "Wrangel Island" is a conventional name, recognized as such by the BGN/PCGN.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 26, 2013; 13:31 (UTC)
However, in the article Wrangel Island: Eventually, the island was named after Baron Ferdinand von Wrangel (1797–1870)... --WPK (talk) 20:01, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 26, 2013; 20:15 (UTC)
Also, the city Тольятти was renamed after Palmiro Togliatti, Рахья after Jukka Rahja etc. --WPK (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
See archives.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 27, 2013; 14:43 (UTC)

Marie Petipa

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Здравствуйте. Thank you. Я тут пока Ярослава включила в свои махинации с английским языком. Он мне сейчас велел поставить ссылки на книгу. Вообще он молодец, он уже не первый раз сам включается. Я уже видела, вы там поправили мой текст. Спасибо. --Lawrentia (talk) 14:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC) Я не знаю, как поставить ссылки на книгу. Они у меня почему-то не ставятся. Книга: book: New researches and materials (ru: Новые исследования и материалы / Сост. Н. Л. Дунаева. Спб. Балтийские сезоны. 2009—312 с. ISNB 978-5-903368-45-0). Article: Marie Mariusovna Petipa (Мария Мариусовна Петипа. Пунктир судьбы). Author: Н. Л. Дунаева --Lawrentia (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Всегда пожалуйста. Я вставил книгу в секцию "Sources"; чтобы её цитировать, вставьте в первом нужном месте:
<ref name="Dunayeva">Dunayeva, p. XXX</ref>
(где "XXX" — это номер цитируемой страницы). Далее по тексту статьи вставляйте:
<ref name="Dunayeva" />
Пишите, если будут ещё проблемы.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 27, 2013; 14:44 (UTC)
Ага, спасибо. Только я не отметила себе страницы тогда, когда у меня была книга. Я отметила только названия статей. Если я заменю page на article - это можно? Информация о книге есть в Интернете, я проверила. --Lawrentia (talk) 15:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Можно заменить, но не нужно (я убрал). Поскольку название статьи уже включено с остальной библиографической информацией в Sources, то ещё раз приводить её в цитате просто излишне. Если книга вам попадётся ещё раз, добавьте номер страницы, а пока так пойдёт.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 27, 2013; 15:35 (UTC)
Я там сделала по-своему. Вы извините, что я вас замучила - и вас, и Ярослава. Я посмотрю еще какие-то источники в Интернете. Но там - я уже Славе написала - после моей статьи в Циклопедии очень многие сайты изменили конец в статьях, он остался в живых журналах и лайф-ж - там просто сканируются старые тексты. Ярослав сказал, что на них вообще не стоит ссылаться. Я в результате несколько запуталась. Спасибо. --Lawrentia (talk) 15:19, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ничего, по делу ж как-никак :) На ЖЖ в общем и целом ссылаться действительно не стоит, но если там есть именно сканы (а не просто их перепечатка текстом), то их можно включить в поле "URL" при цитировании самих работ (именно работ, а не ЖЖ). Разумеется, если тексты всё ещё под копирайтом, то ссылку давать на них не стоит (соответственно и процитировать правильно не получится).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 27, 2013; 15:35 (UTC)
Да, спасибо за правки. Я на странице Ярослава дала развернутый ответ. В советских источниках говорилось, что старой даме была выдана аж громадная пенсия, которую она перевела в Париж, и уехала туда буйно кутить до помешательства – это в 70 лет! И каким образом можно было перевести деньги в те годы во вражескую страну – по каким-таким каналам? Электроники не было. В то, что отобрали всё – я верю. Но в то, что дали пенсию – никому не давали, а ей дали, да еще перевели в Париж, – это вызывает некоторые недоверия. И, очевидно, недоверие вызвало не только у меня – из других источников это тоже удалили. Только в Рус.В. стоит – я год умоляю исправить – ни в какую. Thank you very much. To you and to Yaroslav. Lawrentia (talk) 15:48, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Вообще-то я бы хотела вернуть мой текст, что советские газеты после отъезда известной балерины заклеймили ее позором – пасквилем. Ярослав удалил – потому что получилось, что нет источников, источники остались в книжных изданиях и перекочевали в ЖЖ. Он по-своему прав, я его не хочу упрекать. Он наверняка все правильно сделал как администратор. Но это вместе с тем очень значимая информация. Кстати, в этой книге, которую я привожу, это есть – там как бы такая полемика со ссылкой на документы. Может, имеет смысл вернуть - только я не хочу без Ярослава, он уже столько занимался мной и этой статьей. Lawrentia (talk) 16:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Да я что, против, что ли? :) Спросите у Ярослава. Я-то сам очень не люблю работать над статьями, источников к которым не могу увидеть лично.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 27, 2013; 17:03 (UTC)
Я попробую еще раз найти книгу, я уже написала человеку в Питер, который имеет отношение к этой книге. Потому что без этого действительно сложно. Я сейчас написала Ярославу - чтобы он не особо расслаблялся и радовался жизни. А то он обрадовался, что без него все решили. Не выйдет. Но Ярослав полностью прав: без источника и четких ссылок - как-то не совсем комильфо. Lawrentia (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ага, я тоже согласен. Пишите, когда найдёте книгу; со статьёй мы поможем, если будет надо.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 27, 2013; 17:15 (UTC)

Весь интернет дает ссылки только на мою статью. Скромненько так констатирую. Надо искать. И буду ждать ответа. Ладно, спасибо, я вас совсем замучила моей балетной тематикой. И вас, и Ярослава. Пока пусть так - во всяком случае там все правильно. --Lawrentia (talk) 17:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #51

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • The first 11 Wikipedias can now include data from Wikidata in their articles (If you want to see it in action see the infobox at it:Torino)
    • Worked on automatic summaries for statements
    • Worked on making properties accessible from the client using their label so you can use {{#property:executive director}} instead of {{#property:p169}} for example
    • Made qualifiers ready for the next deployment (Please test. See details further down.)
    • Selenium tests for qualifiers
    • Fixed some issues related to QUnit testing
    • Worked on improved handling and code design of multiple snak lists in the UI (qualifiers, references)
  • Discussions/Press
  • Events
    • Newline 2013
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • We’re currently carefully monitoring performance after the deployment of phase 2 on the first 11 Wikipedias. There seem to be a few small issues. As soon as they are resolved we'll deploy on English Wikipedia. All other Wikipedias are planned to follow very soon after that.
    • Bye and a big thank you to Anja, Silke, Jens and John who are leaving the development team at the end of the month and will work on other cool things. You’ll be missed!
    • Ever had any doubt about the possibilities of Wikidata? Talk to Wiri!
    • We worked on reducing the time it takes for Wikidata edits to show up in the Wikipedias and made some progress. Daniel posted an analysis
    • We started running a script on the database in order to make search on Wikidata case-insensitive. This should be finished in a few days and then search should be more useful.
    • In addition to the above we have rolled out a new search box that suggests items. This should also make finding things on Wikidata a lot easier for you.
    • We’re making some progress with Internet Explorer 8 support but there are a lot of issues with it (some outside our control). It’s unclear at the moment how much we can improve it still without spending an unjustified amount of time on it. You can follow the progress at bugzilla:44228
    • Edits are now auto-confirmed for users with more than 50 edits and account age 4 days: bugzilla:46461
    • Do you need old-style interwiki links for a sister project for example? This is for you
    • The Wikimedia Foundation applied as a mentoring organisation for Google Summer of Code again. We have proposed some Wikidata projects for students to take up if the Foundation is accepted again. At least 2 other organisations that applied also propose Wikidata ideas. More details on that once we know which organisations are accepted.
    • Denny hacked together a tree of life based on data from Wikidata
    • Wikidata was added to wikipulse
    • A template to retrieve data from Wikidata if no local value is set
  • Did you know?
  • Open Tasks for You
    • See note at the end of this weekly summary
    • Help test qualifiers (m:Wikidata/Notes/Data model primer#Qualifiers - see also example statements there) on the test wiki so we can roll it out with the next release
    • Did you file a bug report for Wikidata or did someone else do it for you? Please take a minute to check if it is still valid. (Thanks for filing it btw!)
    • Add some missing descriptions to those items with the same label?
    • Hack on one of these

Could I have 2 mins of your time? As I’ll be working on some other projects for Wikimedia Germany as well from now on the time I can spend on Wikidata will be reduced. This means I’ll have to figure out what is useful to spend time on. If you’re reading this could you let me know for example on this discussion page? Also if you have ideas how to improve the weekly summaries please post them. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk)

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8 (disambiguation)‎! Star767 15:00, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 4, 2013; 15:12 (UTC)
He reverted you![9] Someone fixed it but what's with this guy? Star767 15:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've replied to him in the thread below and will be monitoring the page further. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2013; 15:35 (UTC)

About 8

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Welcome To Wikipedia!!!! And why you're deleting two OSes? Talk to me?See what I done?I am Applist 03:30 2013-4-5 UTC

Hi, Applist. I see you asked the same question at Talk:8 (disambiguation) and have already received a response there from PamD. There isn't much I can add to it; my reasons are the same as hers (and of another half a dozen contributors who reverted you). The applicable guideline is found at WP:DAB and contains a great deal of further information. Whatever you choose to do next, however, I strongly recommend you stop reverting to your preferred version—that's disruptive, not how discussions are supposed to be held, and might lead to your account being blocked from editing. If you have any further questions, please continue the thread on Talk:8 (disambiguation). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2013; 13:12 (UTC)

Stress in Russian

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What a horrible suggestion! Thanks for alerting me; I'll go put my two kopecks in. Languagehat (talk) 18:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 5, 2013; 18:10 (UTC)

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Help with Russian transcription

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Russian inscription on the gravestone of Wladimir Astafiew, Fort Canning Green, Singapore

Hi! I came across some of your contributions at "Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language" in the past and gather that you are a Russian speaker. I was just wondering if you could check if the transcription of the Russian on the gravestone shown ("корпуса флотскихъ штурмановъ / поручикъ / Владиміръ Астафьевъ") is accurate. I'm not sure because I got the transcription from various sources on the Internet. Thanks! — SMUconlaw (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The transcription is accurate, however, you may want to know that in 1918 the spelling of the Russian language was changed. In modern Russian, the spelling would be корпуса флотских штурманов / поручик / Владимир Астафьев . If you need the translation as well pls let us know.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be best to transcribe the text as it appears on the gravestone. Thanks for confirming it's correct, though! Have a look at the description page of the file – is the English translation I added there accurate? (Again, I based it on information on the Internet.) — SMUconlaw (talk) 12:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Поручик is usually left untranslated, see Poruchik, the rest looks fine to me. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, how should "корпуса флотских штурманов" be translated? — SMUconlaw (talk) 16:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert in marine terminology, but as far as I am concerned you translated it correctly.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:42, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, OK then. (And thanks, Ezhiki, for letting us borrow your talk page for this discussion! :) ) — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Jack, sorry for not being available to answer your questions (I'm usually out on weekends), and Yaroslav, thank you for taking care of this for me.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 8, 2013; 13:38 (UTC)

Marie Petipa-2

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Хай!!! Ит с ми. Мне прислали страницы статьи. Теперь что делать? Могу переслать для удостоверения. У вас с компьютером, как я помню, проблемы. Да и оно вам нужно. Ярослава мне тоже жалко - он физик, а читать про балет физику не всегда интересно. Жду дальнейших распоряжений. --Lawrentia (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

С компьютером у меня проблем нет, только с электронной почтой, и то только с ответом на неё :) Присылайте мне, посмотрю. Я хоть тоже не лирик, но это для дела всё-таки.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 16:40 (UTC)
Вы разобрались? Значит - это та самая советская статья с пасквильными данными, не соответствующими истинному положению дел. Книга: Борисоглебский М.В. Материалы по истории русского балета. Т. 1-2, Л., 1938-1939 гг. Статья: Мария Петипа, стр. 278-280. А ссылки на новые исследования уже есть. Надо только добавить это как ссылку, что после ее отъезда в эмиграцию про нее написали в СССР, что она жила во ФРанции в полном достатке, с большой пенсией и вообще оказалась буйно помешанной - что не подтверждается воспоминаниями эмигрантов. Потому что всё наоборот: пенсию не дали, она очень бедствовала и вела тихую эмигрантскую жизнь. Lawrentia (talk) 18:43, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Спасибо. Я вас совсем замучила моим балетом. --Lawrentia (talk) 18:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Я только одну страницу получил (278). Как получу остальные, добавлю. Спасибо!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 18:47 (UTC)
Как - одну? А у меня числится всё прошедшим. Я тогда еще раз вышлю. --Lawrentia (talk) 18:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Отправила повторно. У меня все прошло. --Lawrentia (talk) 18:56, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ага, теперь получил, спасибо! Сейчас сделаю.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 18:59 (UTC)
Спасибо. Мне очень неудобно перед вами и Ярославом Блантером, что вы за мной должны все поправлять. На бытовом английском я общаюсь, но с литературным языком у меня оооочень большие проблемы. Спасибо. --Lawrentia (talk) 19:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ничего-ничего, главное практика. Про балет лучше вы криво напишете, чем мы с Ярославом вообще никак :) Править не так уж и сложно. Спасибо ещё раз.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 19:07 (UTC)
Хочу уточнить — в скане написано, что она уехала в Париж в 1926 г., а в статье (со ссылкой на Дунаеву) что в 1928 г. Где правильно?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 19:17 (UTC)
Правильно - в 1928. Ничего не добившись, никакой помощи, никакой пенсии. Это советские источники наговорили, что ей дали пенсию, которую она перевела во Франции (интересно, каким таким образом - в недружественную страну, с которой не было связей), шиковала и умерла в буйстве. --Lawrentia (talk) 19:29, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Не опечатка значит... жаль. Придётся обе даты давать, со ссылкой на соответствующие источники. Кстати, в скане не написано, что ей дали пенсию; написано, что дирекция возбудила ходатайство. Умели же перекручивать факты, мерзавцы.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 19:32 (UTC)
Так вот я про это и говорю: это не опечатка и не ошибка. В конце концов - и опечатки бывают, и ошибки бывают. Но это когда не специально. Любой человек может ошибиться. Здесь - не ошибка. Это была сознательная ложь. Человека оклеветали просто потому что она уехала, а уехала - потому что ей не на что было жить. Это еще одно преступление власти - отношение к старикам и старухам. Они строили светлое будущее, до стариков ли тут. Она же была старой дамой, она уехали не для того, чтобы делать карьеру и зарабатывать - а чтобы выжить, не умереть в нищете от голода. Вот что я хотела, чтобы прозвучало. --Lawrentia (talk) 20:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ну, такие выводы читатели должны делать самостоятельно на основе приведённых фактов. А факты мы привели. Если ещё найдёте что-нибудь, присылайте не спрашивая.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 10, 2013; 20:18 (UTC)

Эта книга Борисоглебского и есть основной источник по дореволюционным балетным артистам. Издание 1938-1939 гг. Только сейчас стали появляться новые книги. Вот на них я и дала сразу ссылку, мне тогда Ярослав помогал. Он и сказал, что еще нужен сам источник, в котором была клевета - ЖЖ не годятся. Спасибо. --Lawrentia (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #53

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Got some external professional review of our code and architecture and started working on their feedback
    • Worked on reducing the dispatch lag (the time it takes for changes on Wikidata to be sent to the Wikipedias for display in watchlist, recent changes and to purge affected pages)
    • Worked on using Redis for job queue to improve the lag situation even further
    • Created new Wikibase Query extension for phase 3 functionality
    • Autocomments & Autosummaries for SetClaim module
    • Worked on the GeoCoordinate parser
  • Events/Press
    • right now: GLAM-WIKI 2013
  • Discussions
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • Deployment of phase 2 on the remaining Wikipedias was delayed because of a high lag of changes being propagated to the Wikipedias. The lag has been reduced considerably now and is going down even more. The new date for deployment will not be next week because there are other large changes on Wikimedia infrastructure scheduled that we do not want to interfere with. It will hopefully happen very soon after that though.
    • Next code update on wikidata.org is planned for Wednesday. This should include qualifiers and bugfixes.
    • There will probably be a short outage/read-only for wikidata.org on Tuesday (database is being switched to MariaDB)
    • If you're a student and interested in coding on Wikidata consider applying for Google Summer of Code.
    • There is a new user right: property creators
    • There is now a page to request deletion of a property
    • We now have Bureaucrats
    • Reasonator was improved and extended (1 2)
  • Open Tasks for You

Based on feedback for last week’s call for comments we will continue this newsletter. However more community help will be needed. From now on they’ll be drafted at d:Wikidata:Status updates/Next and your help is very welcome.

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Russian Polar Expedition

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Hello,

I am trying to translate the Russian article ru:Русская_полярная_экспедиция into English. If you don't mind I will post all queries to that article. I am not sure how to properly translate залежи бурого угля. Am I right that it means "lignite mines" or "lignite lodes"? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 08:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

deposits?--Ymblanter (talk) 08:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, of course I won't mind. I'd go with "deposits" as well. "Mines" is where coal is already being mined, and "lodes" are deposits of a particular type.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 16, 2013; 11:55 (UTC)
Thanks, I will change it accordingly. I was a bit confused because I know it is used in economics, but it seems there are many definitions of it. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kaluga Oblast

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Добрый день!

Я представитель Агентства регионального развития Калужской области. На сегодняшний день информация в статье Kaluga Oblast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluga_Oblast) не соответствует действительности. Мы владеем достоверными данными и хотим внести соответствующие коррективы в статью. Хотелось бы заметить, что сам перевод Kaluga Oblast неверный. Возможно ли переименовать страницу в Kaluga Region? Мы планируем постепенно редактировать данную статью, пополняя её актуализированными данными. Убедительно просим не удалять наши правки, либо аргументировать те или иные изменения в обновленной нами информации.

Good day!

I am a representative of the Agency for Regional Development of Kaluga Region. At present, the information in the article, Kaluga Oblast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaluga_Oblast), is not quite right. We possess reliable data and would like to make the appropriate adjustments to the article. We would like to note that the actual translation Kaluga Oblast is wrong. Is it possible to rename a page to Kaluga Region? We plan to gradually edit the article, adding updated information. We kindly ask not to remove our corrections, or to argue certain changes in the updated information.

Thank you in advance. Буньков Денис (talk) 06:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Mr. Bunkov! Thank you kindly for your note. It is always a thrill to have someone working close to a certain subject to join the ranks of Wikipedia editors. Welcome again; I look forward to future cooperation, and I am sure other participants of WikiProject Russia will be equally delighted.
That said, I feel obligated to comment on the situation you are in. Pardon me if you are already familiar with what I am about to say, but I feel it's safer to include it for the sake of completeness. Since you are not an individual editor but rather a representative of a government organization, you should be extra mindful of Wikipedia policies and guidelines covering your position, of which the guideline on the conflict of interest is the most significant. Another important point is that Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, so it's not supposed to include any material which is purely promotional. Even valid encyclopedic content may routinely be edited by any other editor, and understanding this point is vital for anyone who is planning to contribute anything. One cannot prohibit others from editing one's additions and no permission is needed to be able to edit content added by others. This, in fact, is one of the five pillars of Wikipedia.
This isn't to say that you must agree to each and every change others make to things you add, but all such disagreements should be resolved within the framework of applicable policies and guidelines. You'll notice, for example, that I've made a number of fixes to the style you used to format your addition to the Kaluga Oblast article—this is not because the style you used is somehow inferior, but simply because it does not conform to the style used across other articles in the series on Russian oblasts. At any rate, style matter are pretty low on the chain of importance, and as a new editor you are not expected to immediately be familiar with all nooks and crannies of Wikipedia's Manual of Style. You should not, however, be surprised when others fix it.
Style issues aside, Wikipedia is all about content, of course. It's understandable that as someone close to the source of information you will have a lot to share, but the applicable policies to bear in mind here are those on verifiability and reliable sources. What this means in practice is that every statement which can reasonably be expected to be contested must have a source, and the source must be a reliable one, published by an organization with a reputation for checking the facts and/or with editorial oversight. Ultimately, this means that articles should be based on reliable secondary sources, and in your situation it means that sources produced by the Government of Kaluga Oblast in general and by the Agency for Regional Development in particular would most likely fall under the definition of a primary (not secondary) source. Primary sources are still perfectly acceptable to verify hard facts, but they immediately become unsuitable once judgement is passed. In other words, it's OK to to use a primary source to back up a statement that Kaluga Oblast's GRP in 2010 was 214.5 billion rubles, but a secondary source is mandatory to back up a statement like "this demonstrates the oblast's high economic potential".
With formalities and general introductions taken care of, let's address your question about "Kaluga Oblast" somehow being a wrong translation. That actually is not the case. The term "oblast" is a loanword in the English language, included in all major dictionaries, and it is much more precise than a more vague "region", "territory", or "province". This isn't to say that any of those terms are "wrong"—they are not—but they are simply not as suitable for use in a reference work with such a huge scope as Wikipedia's due to their ambiguity. This issue had been discussed on several past occasions, and the general consensus is that using a more precise term is better than using a less precise one. Precision is actually one of the criteria used to select an article's title. Note also that all major English-language reference works use the term "oblast" (see, for example, Encyclopedia Britannica). Additionally, since the article about Kaluga Oblast is a part of the series on the Russian oblasts, its title is expected to conform to the same format as the rest of the articles. WP:NCCS is the applicable guideline covering all this, if you are interested in reviewing it.
I hope this has been helpful. I apologize for dumping so much information on you all at once, but since your situation is different from that of a regular editor, I feel certain points should have been touched upon. If you have any further questions or need anything clarified, you are welcome to contact me directly (I've been an English Wikipedia administrator for almost nine years and know how navigate Wikipedia's inner workings fairly well), or, alternatively, you can post an inquiry at WikiProject Russia's talk page. Once again, it's a pleasure to have you with us. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 17, 2013; 14:09 (UTC)
Dear Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky),
Thanks for the detailed and prompt response. But I would like to draw your attention to the fact that we are interested in publishing current and complete data about Kaluga region, it’s not the PR.
«Back in the XIV century a part of the Kaluga Region territory was under the rule of Moscow; the city of Kaluga was mentioned for the first time in that century. In the period between 1796 and 1929 Kaluga Province was an independent administrative unit of the Russian Empire. Kaluga Region was established in 1944. It borders Moscow and Moscow region, Tula region, Bryansk region, Smolensk region, Orel region».
Tell me, please, where is the direct promotion of the region in these sentences, as you said? And statistical data (area and population) are also advertising, isn’t it? In addition, you have a figure for the population since 2010! It is no longer relevant.
And if I understand correctly you speak Russian? It would be easier for me to use this language. If it’s not a problem for you, please answer in Russian.
Thank you again.
Буньков Денис (talk) 14:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you misunderstood. I did not mean to accuse you of adding promotional materials (so far I've seen none of that), but merely pointed out that it is a common problem for editors representing an organization, and it is something to keep in mind. Same goes for the conflict of interest.
The paragraph starting with the 14th century, that one I removed for entirely different reasons. Its geographic part mostly duplicates information in the section immediately below and its part dealing with history talks about the entities preceding Kaluga Oblast. That's something that can and should be covered in the History section (which I falsely believed already contained that information), but it's mostly out of place in the lede.
Regarding the population, articles about locations in Russia always include the results of the most recent population census; that's the only way to ensure the numbers reported across various articles are comparable. Census results should never be removed, but it is, of course, OK to include more recent estimates as well. The 2013 estimate you added (and which I removed), however, was not sourced to anything. If you can provide a source, by all means feel free to re-add it (retaining the Census results). Note also that the infobox has two fields for the population: 2010 Census results go onto the "pop_2010census" line, but there is also a "pop_latest" line available for more recent estimates ("pop_latest_date" is the date for which the estimate is given, in this case 2013, and "pop_latest_ref" is where the reference is supposed to go).
As for the the choice of language for our communication, you are more than welcome to use Russian on my talk page, but if you don't mind, I'll still respond in English. But if that's going to be a problem, I can try and do my best to switch to Russian. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 19, 2013; 13:43 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #54

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Development
    • Dispatch lag is now down to 0 so changes should show up very quickly on the Wikipedias in watchlists and recent changes
    • wikidata.org now always redirects to www.wikidata.org. This should among other things solve the issue where people were not able to edit when on wikidata.org (bugzilla:45005)
    • Fixed weird blocked-user/protected-page handling in UI (bugzilla:45140)
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    • GLAM-WIKI 2013
    • upcoming: office hour on IRC about sources
    • upcoming: Opensource Treffen
    • upcoming: intro to Wikidata at the British Library
  • Discussions
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Open Tasks for You
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Politics of North Korea vs Government of North Korea

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Dear Ezhiki!

I would like to consult with u about something that seems wrong to me: The article Government of North Korea should be renamed to Cabinet of North Korea. This name is much used in the nk constitution and various sources to describe the executive branch of the political system there, which is responsible for implementing economic policies seted by the workers' party (like the soviet system). The problem is that there is more written there, about juche idea and even the begining of the article which says "in the government of NK the cabinet..." In my opinion, its like duplicate with the Politics of North Korea. I suggest that any info not related directly to the cabinet will be moved to Politics of North Korea which describes the different branches of the political system and state power and the interactions between them, and the Government of North Korea article will be renamed to Cabinet of North Korea and will exclusively deal with this branch/institution, and i also plan to expand more about it. I have tried to raise this issue in the talkpage but it didnt yield results. Thanks, Superzohar Talk 10:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really know much about the government setup of North Korea, but from what you are saying, this sounds like a reasonable proposition. Since you have already tried to solicit opinions on the talk page and got nothing, I'd say be bold and make the change. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 22, 2013; 13:35 (UTC)
So do you think, should I first write an article 'Cabinet of North Korea', then copy the cabinet-related sections in Government of North Korea to it, and then to move the latter with a re-direction to Politics of North Korea? Superzohar Talk 14:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like a sensible thing to do.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 22, 2013; 14:58 (UTC)
I created article Cabinet of North Korea and expanded it, but it was deleted. What to do? Superzohar Talk 17:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, now that there is someone interested in the subject, continuing the discussion on the talk page seems like a logical thing to do. After all, it's not your fault no one was interested prior to you implementing the change.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 22, 2013; 18:14 (UTC)

Leonid Jacobson

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Dear Ezhiki! У меня, кажется, опять ой-ой-ой! Я всё правильно написала, но не совсем по-английски. Но эту статью необходимо дать. То, что в Русской Википедии и во Французской – это позорище. И у меня не поставились туда редиректы. Спасибо. Извините. Я вам и Ярославу, наверно, очень надоела со своими балетами. Lawrentia (talk) 14:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ничего страшного. Я посмотрю. Только скорее всего не на этой неделе.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 22, 2013; 14:21 (UTC)
Ссылки на другие разделы я поставил, а статью вычитать сию секунду не могу, сделаю попозже. --Ymblanter (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Спасибо! Я по ней тоже потом пройдусь.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 22, 2013; 14:59 (UTC)

Спасибо. Обоим. --Lawrentia (talk) 19:24, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

soviet union infobox

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there is a user trying to evade consensus by removing the baltic states (which are properly noted as not as not being recognised by the Western world) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Soviet_Union#Acquisition_of_the_Baltic_states (which most users support inclusion in some form) it would be rather odd to not mention them at all since the existed (maybe albeit in a non western recognised way ((except sweden))) i suspect this user will start some thread at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (not now but possibly later) and start with the accusations for no good reason, as he is going against consensus and something needs to be done (user:nug by the way) i use diffrent ip because that just how my internet network configuration works 95.195.204.77 (talk) 16:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what it is exactly that you want me to help with. There is little sense in protecting the article at this point, since this particular dispute doesn't create that much disruption (at least not yet :)); a discussion continues on the talk page, and if you want me to pitch in there, I must respectfully decline. If it's my opinion you want, then yes, I agree that it makes sense to include the Baltic republics into the infobox, especially with a footnote. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 23, 2013; 16:51 (UTC)
well i did not really meant that i needed your "pitch" but i want protection of me (not the article) since you are a administrator from possible problems (not opinions) which may occure from this (wp:ani for example) and etc 95.195.204.77 (talk) 16:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep my eyes peeled :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 23, 2013; 17:04 (UTC)
Since when did we start ignoring reliable sources, such as Patrick Dumberry in his book State Succession to International Responsibility on page 151:
"The question whether the break-up of the U.S.S.R. should be regarded as a case of State dissolution or rather a series of secessions is also controversial. The only non-controversial point is that the three Baltic States are regarded not as new States (and not as successor States of the U.S.S.R.)".
So the infobox is factually incorrect. The Baltic states left the SU three months before it dissolved itself, we don't include all of the republics as predecessor states, the same with successor states. --Nug (talk) 07:22, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently clear. I see no reason to intervene as an administrator, and as a regular editor I have no interest in joining that discussion. My opinion, you already have that.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 24, 2013; 11:54 (UTC)

Vandalism Cleanup help please?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda!_Go,_Panda! The user 173.166.157.73 screwed up an article and seem to be unable to revert all of it without conflicting with other edits by Cluebot NG. May you please help me do so manually as I am a newer user and am unfamiliar with many things.

Thanks!GuyHimGuy (talk) 20:20, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update! The article has been fixed. Nevermind. Thanks!GuyHimGuy (talk) 20:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) It looks that User:Erik has just taken care of this. The easiest way to fix this would have been going to the History tab, clicking on the datestamp of the revision immediately prior to the first instance of vandalism, hitting "Edit this page", and saving it. Let me know if there's anything else I can help with. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 24, 2013; 20:25 (UTC)

Comments left at RfA

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Wikidata weekly summary #55

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Ezhiki, I love the fact that the Moscow Oblast criteria for urban settlements are already on your to-do list :) You are doing a pretty amazing job compiling all this hard to find material. I just wanted to make sure you know that, even though we disagree about the best place to put this content, I really do appreciate the hard work you are doing compiling it. Thanks for making WP better! - Darwin/Peacock [Talk] 20:55, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kind words, DP, and thank you for your input as well. I might not agree with everything you say, but I do appreciate a different point of view and your willingness to carry the discussion forward! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 29, 2013; 13:17 (UTC)

merging articles

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Hi!

As i wrote you not long ago, i try to merge Government of North Korea into Cabinet of North Korea, and i added template, but it seems my request falls on deaf ears. can you help me how to move on from here? thx Superzohar Talk 15:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You really ought to continue the merge-related thread on the article's talk page. Like I said, I agree with what you said before, but it would simply be rude to move anything while the discussion hasn't been closed. If you need additional input, you can probably solicit it on the talk pages of the relevant WikiProjects. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 29, 2013; 13:11 (UTC)

WTF?

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I just read this and I am just gobsmacked at your input. --Nug (talk) 10:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That bad, eh? I do apologize for misinterpreting the discussion above. I hope you understand why I came to the conclusions I did, given the confusing input I've been given. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 29, 2013; 13:08 (UTC)

Anadyr (administrative district of Russia established ca 1888-9)

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When I noticed your edit on the Anadyr DAB page I was reminded of this. I know roughly when it was proclaimed, more roughly when it ended, and the names (at least last names)of 3 governors. I do not know its extent tho I think it was more than just Chukotka. If I could find out anything more in English-language sources I would have put up a stub years ago. Can you find anything? Dankarl (talk) 01:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check what I can find in my library, but it's all going to be in Russian. As far as English-language sources go, The Territory of Anadyr, an article published in the 1900 Journal of the American Geographical Society of New York (Vol. 32, #3, pp. 260–263) contains a lot of interesting material, including the description of the geographical borders, but it's sketchy on the administrative aspects. It is available in JSTOR. Will that work for you? Send me a wikimail if you don't have access to JSTOR.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 1, 2013; 17:44 (UTC)
Thanks for the ref. I've gotten busy and have not had time to pursue it. JSTOR appears to have a new limited-access option which I have not investigated much yet, but if it is what it seems at first glance it should serve for jobs like this. Dankarl (talk) 17:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Like I said before, if you shoot me a wikimail, I'll be happy to share that article with you, in case you can't access it via the limited-access option. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 29, 2013; 17:43 (UTC)
Actually, it's on Archive.org, apparently along with a lot of other early journal articles from jstor. Description there seems to more-or-less correspond with Chukotka. No map shown, did the original have one? If you could check your Russian sources to see if the administrative entity matches this description, and what sort of entity it was, I'd appreciate it. Dankarl (talk) 18:01, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, the JSTOR version does not have a map either. I still need to check the Russian sources—my library right now is in a disarray due to some home improvement projects :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 29, 2013; 18:30 (UTC)
N.P. Sokolnikov, probably the third governor, calls it a krai: N. P. Sokol'nikov, “Game and Commercial Animals of the Anadyr' Krai,” Byul. MOIP, Otd. Biol. 36(1–2), 117 (1927).
but this is a later publication and could reflect changed status. Dankarl (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, "krai" may also be used in a generic sense, not necessarily as a term denoting official status. If I remember correctly, there's never been a "krai" (an administrative division) on the territory of Chukotka... but I'll double-check.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 29, 2013; 19:03 (UTC)

your signature

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Your signature is pretty hilarious after I learnt how to say hedgehog in German and French because my sister is getting a hedgehog this month. 71.238.180.102 (talk) 01:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

:)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 6, 2013; 13:25 (UTC)

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Friedrich Zander

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Why Фридрих Цандер, born and lived in the Russian Empire, has his name in English Friedrich Zander, not "Fridrikh Tsander"? On the opposite, e.g. Имени Карла Либкнехта is Imeni "Karla Libknekhta". --WPK (talk) 21:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Ezhiki! I wondered whether you could help out a bit with a problem that has just popped up. One of the sub-articles on the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture has been victimized by someone who appears to be a rogue Wikieditor that has been slapped down before for nefarious deeds. He basically stripped almost the entire article on Archaeogenetics of the Cucuteni–Trypillian culture, claiming that the content did not talk about archaeogenetics. But much of what he trashed actually does have some bearing on the subject. I restored this bad edit, but he has now gone back and (in his words) "re-reverted" his edit. The article is in serious need of improvement, but trashing the entire thing and throwing out relevant information is not the way to go about improving the article, imho. Could you take a look at this? A third party's opinion on the matter is called for. Thanks! --Saukkomies talk 15:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't really contribute much to the discussion about the subject, so my advice is going to be purely procedural. Anybody is welcome to make a good-faith change to any article, of course, but it is always possible that the change will be reverted by someone disagreeing with it. When a change is reverted, one is expected to open a discussion thread on the article's talk page, in the spirit of WP:BRD. While initiating such a discussion is normally expected from a person who made the initial change, it's not always realistic to expect an IP to follow this protocol. I see you've already posted a comment on the article's and the IP's talk pages, which is great. Wait how things unfold from there, and if there are any problems later on, then perhaps you'll need an admin's help. For now it looks that the discussion could use an opinion of someone else familiar with the subject rather than administrative involvement. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 14, 2013; 15:45 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, Ezhiki. --Saukkomies talk 16:03, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Gurlen

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Hi, can you find any Soviet or current census data for this?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the figure for the 1989 Census. Hopefully someone will add and reference a more current count. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 16, 2013; 12:02 (UTC)

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Might you be able to suggest someone who could move the impressive first picture in the Russian edition of 75th Guards Rifle Division to Commons, so it can go in other articles? Very much appreciate any help you could give. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean this one? It is not free and can not be moved to Commons.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yaroslav is correct. Unfortunately, this image cannot be moved to the Commons.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 20, 2013; 14:43 (UTC)
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Kalach

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Agree that "na Donu" is part of the entire name in English -- although in common usage, as you mentioned in your edit summary, it is mostly known simply as "Kalach" because of the fighting that took place there. This usage, as well as the 1951 name change, may be worth a mention in the article. Also, since the name changed in 1951, this sentence During Operation Uranus, several Soviet tank corps encircled the besieging German 6th Army in Stalingrad by capturing Kalach-na-Donu should probably reference the name as Kalach rather than Kalach-na-Donu -- sort of like not referring to a 1942 "Battle of Volgograd". W. B. Wilson (talk) 04:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, W. B.! You are absolutely right about that sentence—we should not be using modern names in historical contexts. Thanks for catching it. I've made a correction, mentioned the old name in the text (previously I only added it to the infobox), and supplied a couple of references. Hopefully everything is now in order! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 21, 2013; 13:31 (UTC)
Thanks Ezhiki! Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 16:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Question on Kalach-na-Donu

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Ezhiki,

On modern maps there is a large lake to the SW of Kalach. I assume this is a man-made reservoir. Do you know if this existed during the war or was it a postwar project ? Thanks, W. B. Wilson (talk) 08:39, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Found it -- Tsimlyansk Reservoir. It is postwar. Cheers, W. B. Wilson (talk) 08:43, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to have missed your question—I was out. It is indeed Tsimlyansk Reservoir. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 28, 2013; 13:19 (UTC)

Snezhnoye Census

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Hi Ezhiki, I note you removed the census data for Snezhnoye. The link provided as the ref provides links to a number of files. File 11 on that link is a full listing of the census results (here) which lists all settlements (at least all the ones in Chukotka I am aware of. I appreciate that it is dealing with rural settlements rather than the village iself, but in chukotka where there aren't any rural settlements with more than one settlement I am not sure how it is unreasonable to equate the population of the rural settlement with the population of the one settlement within it. Fenix down (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, good to see you! First off, I did forget that this file is on that page, but I should also note that it does not contain the population figures for Chukotka's rural localities, only for its rural settlements (i.e., the municipal formations). Of course, in Chukotka most rural settlements contain only one rural locality, so this argument is somewhat moot, but it would probably be prudent to note the difference anyway. After all, we can't say the source is saying one thing while it in fact is saying quite another. That these two things happen to be identical numerically in most of Chukotka's cases is just a happy coincidence. I'll give Snezhnoye another go shortly; thanks for bringing this up! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 29, 2013; 16:41 (UTC)
OK, how about this? I feel a bit uneasy about the note because I perceive it as somewhat ORish, but on the other hand this is so obvious a conclusion that it probably falls under the common sense category. Let me know if you don't like it; I'll try to think up something else. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 29, 2013; 16:53 (UTC)
I'm not sure I agree about the OR, the note refers to a specific legal document from the Chukotka Duma. Any challenge of OR immediately begs the question that if there is only one inhabited locality in a rural settlement, where does an individual live if not in that settlement? I think Common sense should take priority here, no reasonable challenge can be raised I believe as the note could only be used in an insance where a rural settlement = one inhabited locality. If someone can demonstrate that there are hundreds of Chukchi permanently out on the tundra, refusing to claim anywhere as home, then perhaps OR can be applied, but I don't think that is going to happen or be possible. Fenix down (talk) 17:17, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm quirky that way—if it's not OR, then it's surely synthesis :) But I agree, this is too trivial a conclusion to contest (and if someone does contest it at some point in the future, the note can be expanded to be more detailed and perhaps something can be added to the text as well). All in all, I take it you are OK with the note as it stands?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 29, 2013; 17:22 (UTC)
I am, I think its clear and would take a pretty strong pendant to challenge. Thanks for helping sort it out. Fenix down (talk) 20:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Help with translations

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Hello Ezhiki,

could you help translating the following titles:

  • Скажи, зачем ты так разорил...
  • Описывать всё сплошь одних попов
  • Крах конторы Баймакова...
  • Вся в слезах негодованья...
  • Два рода мы бедно живем...
  • После Библии зарезал

Thanks.--Tomcat (7) 10:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This kind of tidbits is a bit tough to translate out of contest, so let me know if any of my translations below don't make sense to you:
  • Скажи, зачем ты так разорил...
    • Tell Me, Why Did You Ravage It So...
  • Описывать всё сплошь одних попов
    • Describing Nothing but the Priests [or "Cassocks", for a more informal/jocular effect]
  • Крах конторы Баймакова...
    • The Crash of Baymakov's Enterprise...
  • Вся в слезах негодованья...
    • She's All in Tears of Indignation...
  • Два рода мы бедно живем...
    • We've Been Living in Poverty for Two Generations...
  • После Библии зарезал
    • Stabbed to Death After the Bible [not sure what this is supposed to mean even in Russian; can you clarify?]
—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 7, 2013; 13:30 (UTC)
Thanks, your translations are pretty good. Regarding the last story, I could not find a clear definition. There closest I could find was (in brackets) "(Тип подпольный, не перенесший ревности.)"--Tomcat (7) 13:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Ezhiki, a couple of questions I wondered whether you could answer, please?

  • Though I am sure you might not remember a couple of years ago I tried to add a picture of a view of the landscape around Mys Shmidta to the article with the FUR that the remoteness of the settlement and the difficulty in getting there meant that no free image could realistically be got. It was deleted on the grounds that although difficult, it was not impossible. A fair enough conclusion. I have recently been reading ru.wiki and there are a number of images on there, such as this one that are not free but are accepted under the rationale that as the settlement is abandoned and has fallen into complete disrepair that it is no longer possible to produce a free image to adequately illustrate the article subject. I think a more detailed rationale is needed but wondered whether you thought this would be appropriate for abandoned settlements assuming that the file used was low res?
  • Going back to our earlier conversation about using common sense when updating the various rural seetlement / village populations from the 2010 census data, do you thnk it would also be appropriate to update Tavayvaam in the same way? Although part of anadyr Urban Okrug, it is the only settlement other than Anadyr in it and so the "rural" population of the Urban Okrug is the population of Tavayvaam. Or is this pushing things too far?
  • Finally, I not on ru.wiki there are a number of articles on places that have been abandoned and liquidated for some time. What is the en.wiki policy on this? I assume a place is notable whether it continues to exist or not. As such, although previously I have added subsections to the district articles for indigenous settlements for which there is only extremely scant information available, I did not think individual articles were justified or could ever be substantial, would an english version of something like this be OK?
Thanks for your help! Fenix down (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am certainly no expert on the peculiarities of copyright law and fair use, but it would seem logical that when a settlement is abandoned, it becomes not just difficult, but indeed impossible to get a picture of it, thus making it possible to treat previously taken pictures under fair use. But then, again, "logical" does not seem to be the word that's used much in copyright law :)
On Tavayvaam, I don't really feel comfortable pushing it that far, but maybe I'm just too paranoid. It is still possible to footnote the population figure explaining that per such and such law Tavayvaam is the only rural locality in Anadyr Urban Okrug's jurisdiction, and that the rural population of the urban okrug is such and such according to the Census. Probably not too different from what we've been doing so far, and as long as the note explains how the figure was arrived at instead of just giving it without an explanation, it should likely be OK. Ordinarily I would look for a source that gives the population figure straight, but I've already searched for one and found nothing new for Chukotka. The footnote approach is still synthesis, but at least when it is thoroughly explained, it makes it possible for the readers to make their own decisions about its merits.
On abandoned places, you are absolutely right. As our notability guidelines put it, "notability is not temporary". Populated places have historically been treated as inherently notable, meaning that as long as the existence of a place (whether current or historical) is verifiable, it deserves an article. And if you have other sources on top of that, than the article definitely should stay. On the other hand, sometimes there is so little information on an abandoned locality that there is only enough for a very short stub—in such cases it makes sense to upmerge and redirect it elsewhere, which is precisely what you've been doing so far, and that's perfectly OK, too. If at any time in the future more information is found about any particular place, it would always be possible to split off a new article.
Hope this helps! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 19, 2013; 14:53 (UTC)

Sergei Azarov

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Greetings Master Hedgehog. Middle name translation doesn't look right, can you also add the Russian and Belarusian names. I'll get the German checked soon enough hopefully.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a middle name; it's a patronymic :) I've added Russian as requested; Belarusian was already there. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 24, 2013; 17:09 (UTC)

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Hi Ezhiki. Can you take a look at the recent edits to List of Russian landscape painters? I'm not sure what the rationale behind such big cuts is? The user doing them speaks Russian, so I figure if she needs to be asked anything, I probably wouldn't be the right one to do it. Thanks for your time. INeverCry 18:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the first edit summary, the entries were removed because they were added by User:Leningradartist, who in the past had been accused of creating articles on Russian/Soviet painters for promotional purposes. However, since none of the articles being removed from the list have ever been deleted, there is no rationale to remove them from the list either. I've reverted the mass deletion and left a note on Shakko's talk page. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 24, 2013; 19:14 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of this so quickly. INeverCry 19:22, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of Russian landscape painters

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Hi, I can imagine how it looks for you. But please note that Leningradartist was banned in ruwiki for the same thing he do in this list - PR of Leningrad artists. Also for WP:ORIGINAL (statement of existence of such school). If you read in Russian you can see his large talkpage[10] and Arbitration[11]. After his edits this list looks simply funny - like if the list of USA actors had one half - names like Al Pacino and Robert de Niro, and second - members of local Chicago theatrical club. Simply indiscriminate collection of information, and also Self-promotion and indiscriminate publicity. Actually all his edits in en-wiki should be checked for notability and original research. По-русски я могу объяснить лучше. --Shakko (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your note (and do feel free to use Russian on my talk page, if that's easier for you). However, in the English Wikipedia editors aren't blocked or shunned based on their history on other wikis. Nor do ArbComm decisions on other wikis have much significance in the English Wikipedia (just as it is the other way around, I imagine). If the articles in question are original research, that will need to be decided through the course of an AfD, not as a unilateral action. Naturally, original research and notability guidelines differ from one wiki to another, so a deletion decision might be valid on one wiki but not the other.
Just so you know, I am more or less informed about Leningradartist's situation. A few years ago, some of his articles here were nominated for AfD but survived. I can very well imagine some of them might not survive if nominated again, but that's for the community to decide. If you wish to embark on the quest of cleaning those articles up, it is fully within your rights, but removing links to them from lists is simply not the right starting point. Bulk deletions like this should be discussed on the talk page. I myself have no intentions to participate if you start one, but I do oppose a mass removal, even if it's mostly on procedural grounds. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 24, 2013; 20:19 (UTC)
к сожалению, я не настолько владею английским языком, чтобы уметь устраивать здесь активные дискуссии и хорошо аргументировать. Просто я проходила мимо и решила поправить непорядок. У вас отличный ник :) Привет Ёжикам от собрата по лесу, лисы-Shakko (talk) 05:13, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are two problems with the list. The first is indeed that it is very far from being complete, and inclusion of third-tier artists is not really a good idea as soon as only very top artists are included. This can at this stage only be solved by adding more top artists, and indeed this is what we should do. The second problem is that Leningradartist uses Wikipedia for self-promotion. He somehow got rights to the paintings of a large number of Saint Petersburg artists, he has self-published a book about them (in the articles, it is S. V. Ivanov's book), and he now promotes them via Wikipedia articles in order to increase their value on the market, so that he can sell them better. For instance, the article Zlata Bizova is based on Leningradartist's book and a number of catalogs of group exhibitions where the artist was exhibited. Indeed, in the Russian Wikipedia the issue was investigated in detail and taken to Arbcom, which, if I remember correctly, decided that these can not be considered as reliable sources since they are all affiliated with Leningradartist. Shortly afterwards, Leningradartist was banned from the Russian Wikipedia and apparently decided to continue his promotional activities in the English Wikipedia. But I do not quite see what we can do about it: I am pretty sure that if I now AfD Zlata Bizova with the arguments I presented here, it will be kept, same way as some of my other nominations were kept, because no admin would go into the task of figuring out which Russian-language sources are reliable. therefore, I would just go with adding more artists to the table (and possibly redesigning it - I do not see why it should have three paintings for each artist, but this is a secondary issue).--Ymblanter (talk) 08:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
These are all excellent arguments... to be made on the list's talk page :) And of course I have nothing against adding more top-tier artists. But the purpose of such lists is, and has always been, to collect all qualifying entries for which an article exists, unless there is a clear consensus to elevate the entrance bar in some other way (which is why I keep suggesting starting a discussion on the talk page). That such lists may occasionally be biased towards lesser known persons is only a testament to the fact that Wikipedia is a volunteer effort—if someone wishes to work on obscure painters, all power to them! If they profit in the process, that's really none of our business either. If the works used to establish notability are self-published and don't qualify as reliable sources, then AfD is the appropriate venue (where a ru-wiki ArbComm case can certainly be mentioned as one of the factors which may or may not help reach a decision). Regardless of how one looks at it, it all points to starting either a series of AfDs or a thorough discussion about the purpose and limits of that particular list. Anything less is simply procedurally wrong, and preventing that is where I stand.
Shakko, it is a pleasure to meet you as well. I hope you'll be passing by more often in the future :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2013; 12:08 (UTC)
простите, что втянули в наши маленькие войны :) Возможно, вам для ваших "русских" статей пригодятся какие-нибудь из моих фотографийна коммонс. Если нужно будет что-нибудь в районе Москвы и Калуги сфотографировать - пишите. --Shakko (talk) 14:57, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Спасибо за предложение, обязательно буду иметь в виду!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2013; 16:45 (UTC)

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Hi there Ezhiki! Can you please check the translation of reference 13 in the article out? My skills with Russian are very poor. Thanks in advance.--Jetstreamer Talk 11:03, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the translation is good. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 28, 2013; 11:52 (UTC)
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Moscow mayoral election, 2013

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Hi. I created an article, Moscow mayoral election, 2013. You are welcome to improve or fix things if u wish. Regrads, Superzohar Talk 17:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi i added template of the candidates and there r problems with it. can u take a look?? Superzohar Talk 09:55, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really into editing the election articles, but I have fixed the template issue. Apparently, each political party used in the template needs to have a corresponding "short name" subtemplate, and when those are missing, the main template displays broken wiki markup and template red links. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 1, 2013; 14:03 (UTC)

Do you think

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I transliterated the name of Michail Kachovski correctly? Or perhaps, Mikhail Kakhovsky - that's the other variant used in some other articles we have...? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:57, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It should be Mikhail Kakhovsky - unless one of the other version dominates in reliable sources.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Like Yaroslav said, if one of the versions clearly dominates, then it should be used. If both are used approximately equally, then use "Mikhail Kakhovsky", since it is closer to our default romanization guidelines. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 1, 2013; 13:28 (UTC)

Advice on move, please?

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Hi! Here: Talk:REM Telescope.
I wanted to have the "main" article on the subject being fully titled.
Does the move function work as it used to? I mean when you rename the article, it happens that instead two emerge: one with the new title and old content, and the other — with the old title and redirection "content". Is it so now? Josh, linguist (talk) 14:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the move function works just as always. Once moved, the article (with all its history) will be located at the new title while the old location will host a redirect to it. Did you have any problems with the move, is that why you are asking?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 1, 2013; 14:21 (UTC)
Yo, I had some, though I don't think they are relevant.
(: Josh, linguist (talk) 14:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC) Thank you.[reply]
OK; feel free to contact me if you run into problems. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 1, 2013; 14:52 (UTC)

Hi

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You edited/improved WP:Naming conventions (Cyrillic) in the past. Do you have any further edits/suggestions if editors were to take it from current draft to RfC for adoption as a guideline? In ictu oculi (talk) 04:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I remember, WP:CYR was never intended to be a guideline but rather to serve as an aggregator of language-specific romanization guidelines. However, over time, brief instructions for languages lacking a standalone guideline have been added. I have no objection to adopting WP:CYR as a guideline, but I guess all pages it is linking to should be made guidelines first before an RfC is submitted. I'm also not sure what the purpose of the examples is. The main WP:AT guideline (of which this one is supposed to be a subset) deals strictly with article titles, yet the examples illustrate how the lede should be formatted. I think a lot more work is needed before a profitable RfC can be submitted. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 2, 2013; 14:19 (UTC)

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I'd like to add an English-language source for time zone, as this is more useful for readers. However, the parameter does not seem to be listed at Template:Infobox Russian federal subject. Do you know how it can be edited? Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not listed because it's not available as an infobox parameter but is pulled directly from the {{RussiaTimeZone}} template. That template currently uses only one source to reference all federal subjects, but it is possible to change only the Udmurtia-specific part. If you are comfortable with editing templates, please go ahead and make the changes (but please test it first—that template is transcluded from thousands of pages); if not, I'll be happy to help if you let me know which source you want to add (it's not hard, but it's easier to show how to do it than to explain). Just to make sure, the source you would like to use is of equal quality, right? It's just that there are plenty of websites in English on the web, but even as they are mostly accurate, not too many are reliable. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 8, 2013; 13:29 (UTC)

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This is just to let you know that I have completed my work on districts and localities of Leningrad Oblast (I still need to do a couple of things including the articles on the oblast itself and on the three governorates) and started to work on Tver Oblast (now doing Vesyegonsky District). I guess I am perfectly fine after you have worked on the district articles in April, but if I have some difficulties I might come back.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm sorry I have not been too prompt in following up; it seems I'm too easily distracted with other things! Rest assured, all of the district articles now meet bare minimum requirements so don't hesitate to expand them as you see fit.
My plans are to organize the urban settlements next (similar to what I've done with the urban okrugs). I've already started working on the organizational aspect and after that I'll continue with the articles on the towns incorporated as urban settlements and the districts which contain them. In the process, I expect to touch a good chunk of the Arkhangelsk/Leningrad/etc. articles you've created. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 8, 2013; 14:15 (UTC)
It would be great if you could have a look at Vesyegonsk re: refs etc. No hurry, thanks in advance.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing. Do you still have a lot to do there though? I just don't want us to bump into one another's edits. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 12, 2013; 13:42 (UTC)
Thanks. No, I finished it earlier today, just by chance discovered that the uyezd was abolished between 1796 and 1803 and decided to add this info to the article. I am not currently planning further edits.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Have started this. Might interest you.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 07:00, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Great start, thanks! But I'm afraid my interests lean more towards the subject of human geography. That said, if there is anything there in particular you want me to look at, by all means drop a message. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 15, 2013; 18:16 (UTC)

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Fixed.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2013; 16:11 (UTC)

Could you find sources?

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For:

  • in First Partition of Poland: "Russia gained 92,000 km2 and 1,300,000 people, and reorganized its newly acquired lands into Yekaterinoslav Governorate and Mogilev Governorate."?
  • in Second Partition of Poland: "Russia reorganized its newly acquired territories into Minsk Governorate, Podolia Governorate and Volhynian Governorate."

Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:23, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll check if I can find anything. But since the territory in question is outside the borders of modern Russia, I might not have much to work with. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2013; 19:42 (UTC)
I believe the first statement is incorrect: For example, Dvinsk and Polotsk were annexed by the Russian Empire as the result of the First Partition, and included into Pskov Governorate (after it was split, to Polotsk Governorate). The second one may be correct, I am continuing to search.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The first one is definitely incorrect; it was indeed Pskov and Mogilev Governorates, not Yekaterinoslav. I haven't checked the other one yet.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2013; 19:54 (UTC)
Indeed, Tarkhov [12] confirms Pskov and Mogilev. The statement on the Second Partition, according to him, is correct; he has Izyaslav and Bratslav Governorates rather than Volyn and Podolia, but they should be the same.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Tarkhov is my first go-to source as well (and I've just added him to the first article). I wonder, however, if it's at all possible to source the hard figures (such as the area and population gained). I'll keep looking, but please let me know if you find anything on your end.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2013; 20:02 (UTC)
No, the figures would be really difficult, they could be in some books (which I do not have).--Ymblanter (talk) 20:14, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I do have some figures, but the problem is that they were reported for those governorates for much later dates (and they are all in Russian miles, which are trivial to convert but nevertheless annoying...).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 23, 2013; 20:24 (UTC)
Thanks, that's very helpful. I haven't yet gotten to the Third Partition of Poland, but it's on my to do list, so if you have the sources nearby now, perhaps you could source the similar claims? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's a pity I couldn't find all that much... Anyway, when you get to the Third Partition, feel free to leave me a note if you need me to look at something particular. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 25, 2013; 21:00 (UTC)

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Оказывается, не всё. Меня вот он - User talk:Dawnseeker2000 - за что-то обругал, а я не поняла. Вы не могли бы помочь разобраться. Кажется, я что-то не так сделала технически. Но по факту я все правильно сделала. --Lawrentia (talk) 16:05, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Он вам указал, что этой правкой вы удалили всё, что было на странице обсуждения :) По-видимому, произошёл сбой какой-то?
Второе сообщение — это совет заполнять поле "Edit summary" перед тем, как сохранять изменения в статье.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2013; 16:10 (UTC)
А что это такое - "Edit summary"? Я там поменяла местами статью и редирект. Была ошибка в фамилии. Фамилии всегда пишутся с большой буквы. Но тут, как видно, кто-то делал статью при помощи электронного переводчика - переводил с французского, а во французском языке le - как английское the - и переводчик перевел с маленькой буквы. Но в данном случае это фамилия, поэтому надо с большой буквы. Вот я что сделала. Вроде так и стоит сейчас. Это правильно сейчас. Lawrentia (talk) 16:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Это поле под окном с текстом страницы, которую вы правите (вот прямо сейчас зайдите в Edit и прокрутите вниз немного; сразу увидите). Туда надо вписывать вкратце суть сделанных правок. В русской Википедии это поле называется "Описание изменений".—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2013; 16:28 (UTC)
Аааааа. Теперь понятно. Я подумала, что я что-то техническое нарушила. Thank you. --Lawrentia (talk) 16:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. I have now another problem: как засобачить директы на статьи на других языках отсюда: Charles le Picq на это: Charles Le Picq Lawrentia (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Так, я сразу-то и не посмотрел. Так как вы сделали делать вообще-то нельзя :) Если статью надо переименовать, то её надо Move. Копировать статью под новое название и потом удалять всё из старой нельзя (в частности по причинам лицензирования). Если статья не двигается, можно попросить помощи у администратора (и я, и, уверен, Ярослав, вам в подобных случаях поможем без проблем).
В общем, статью я перенёс как положено, теперь всё верно. Если надо просто создать редирект (с нуля), то начните новую страницу и напишите на ней следующее:
#REDIRECT [[НазваниеСтатьиКудаПеренаправлять]]
—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2013; 17:37 (UTC)
Я глупая, плохая и ничего не поняла. Ярослав мне все время помогает, с ним проблем нет. Мне уж неудобно его все время дергать на балет. И вас тоже. Я что-то не так сделала? Я поменяла там местами статью и директ. Так нельзя? И чего теперь делать. Спасибо. Извините. --Lawrentia (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ничего страшного, это всё легко чинится. Рядом с кнопочкой Edit у вас должна быть кнопочка Move — вот ею и воспользуйтесь в следующий раз когда надо будет переименовать статью :) Копировать и вставлять в другое место действительно нельзя; так теряется история предыдущих правок.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2013; 18:03 (UTC)
Это не всё. Меня сейчас один умный человек послал туда: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2959613 - все менять. А я всё сломала. Вы теперь никогда-никогда не будуте мне помогать? Lawrentia (talk) 18:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Единственное, что там надо было поменять, это заголовок (я поменял на "Charles Le Picq"). Добавил заодно до кучи описание ("French dancer and choreographer"). Вот и всё!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 31, 2013; 18:34 (UTC)

Я исправилась и сделала хорошую статью: Nicolas Zverev. К ней надо проставить пару во Французском разделе. Thank you. --Lawrentia (talk) 18:01, 2 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 2, 2013; 18:16 (UTC)

Здравствуйте. Я там Ярослава совсем "забила" своими балетами. Он еще от Леонида Якобсона не пришел в себя - а я уже с новыми творческими достижениями, которые надо переводить с моего английского на нормальный английский. Я тут очень творчески провела выходные. Вы не могли бы проверить по моему вкладу. Когда у вас будет время, естественно. Извините. Мне, правда, очень неудобно и перед вами, и перед Ярославом. Но я больше никого не знаю, к кому можно было бы обратиться. Спасибо. Thank you. --Lawrentia (talk) 14:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Посмотрю обязательно. Только на что именно? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 5, 2013; 14:35 (UTC)
    • Да хоть на всё - не ошибетесь. Я еще нашла one big strannost: The Seagull (ballet) (балет композитора Родиона Щедрина "Чайка") - ссылка ведет на Boris Eifman. Да мало ли кто ставил этот балет, это известный балет, который композитор писал для своей жены Майи Плисецкой, она и ставила его в Большом театре, она же первая исполнительница. Спасибо. --Lawrentia (talk) 01:22, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:RUSSIANNAMES draft

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Hi. Please note the following addition as per Talk on marking stress last month. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections to that addition becoming a guideline, but I would like to point out again that WP:CYR does not formally have a guideline status, so whatever is added there cannot be binding. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 12, 2013; 13:28 (UTC)

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Hello, sorry to bother you but since you're one (and perhaps the only active one) of the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia, I thought it would be interesting to hear your opinion at current AfD here, especially since there are so little participants :-( Also, I would appreciate if you'd share your opinion on my clean-up attempt of the article nominated for this AfD (did I went too far? Not far enough?). Oh, and... Пожалуйста, если это не трудно - заархивируй хотя бы часть своей "Talk Page"... Ужасно неудобно скроллать весь текст на мобильных девайсах :-/ 173.68.110.16 (talk) 04:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note! I have no problems with your cleanup attempt; in fact, I think more can be done (things like gimnastyorka aren't really "inventions"; merely a certain variation of things originating in Russia and used pretty much only there).
One thing I would like to bring to your attention is that soliciting input on individual users' pages isn't really a good practice and may be viewed by some as a form of canvassing. In the future, consider posting such notices on the applicable WikiProjects' talk pages (which is a perfectly acceptable practice)—this way your message will also reach other active editors you may otherwise overlook. Incidentally, I'm not the only active participant of that WikiProject; there are a couple other active editors, as well as a few folks who drop in and out occasionally.
As for my talk page, I'll archive some of it soon. I've been kind of sloppy about it recently, I freely admit :) But what kind of mobile device are you using? On mine, talk pages collapse to just headers in mobile view, so you only need to scroll down a few headers to reach the one you need. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 12, 2013; 13:42 (UTC)
Thanks for replying! Yes, I am perfectly aware of WP:CANVASS and I was just asking for your opinion, regardless of whether it would be similar to mine or not ;-)
As for mobile device - I was using an iPad, I just don't use "mobile view" with it (I do not like Wikipedia's implementation of it). 173.68.110.16 (talk) 22:18, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgian alphabet

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Коллега, у меня вопрос. Пишу вам потому как по-русски объяснять получается лучше, чем по-английски. Тут у нас тов. Obitauri всеми мыслимыми способами проталкивает свое мнение в статью. Примеры:

Это повторяется раз за разом. На предупреждения отвечает, что , мол, потому что я прав. Я в некоторой растерянности. В русской Википедии такой человек ушел бы на месяца два учить правила. Что ты посоветуешь, как с этим бороться? Divot (talk) 12:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Вопрос разрешился, спасибо. Divot (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Добрый день. Собрался уже защитить статью, но заметил, что участника уже заблокировали. Я добавил на его странице свой совет и добавил страницу в список наблюдения.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 19, 2013; 13:41 (UTC)

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Changes to SuggestBot's suggestions

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We have changed the number of suggested articles and which categories they are selected from. The number of stubs has been greatly reduced, the number of articles needing sources doubled, and two new categories added (orphans and unencyclopaedic articles). We have also modified the layout of the suggestions and added sortable columns with various types of information about each article. The first two columns are:

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Subdivision of the Russian Orthodox Church

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Hi! I have written few articles based on the template:Russian Orthodox Church. There the term "Diocese" is used but i discovered that this term is common in the Catholic church, while the Russian church preserved the greek name "eparchya" or eparchy in english. Therefor, i want to suggest and consult, if you, or someone else, can change all those articles "Diocese of..." to "Eparchy of..." using a bot. Thanks for the help, Superzohar Talk 12:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a good call, although you might want to run this by other folks on WT:RUSSIA, because being a bloody atheist I am, I'm not very knowledgeable about the territorial divisions or terminology various Christian sects use. As for the actual work, I don't own a bot myself, but on a few occasions I needed automated help, I found the folks at WP:BTR to be very willing to assist with whatever work comes their way. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 23, 2013; 13:21 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #72

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Please comment on Talk:Rape during the Bangladesh Liberation War

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Wikidata weekly summary #73

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Russian name

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Would you happen to know if there is a ru interwiki for pl:Zagłębie Wołżańsko-Uralskie? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:21, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have linked the page to ru:Волго-Уральская нефтегазоносная область. Alex Bakharev (talk) 07:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Alex!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 6, 2013; 12:06 (UTC)

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New bot (was: Change to lang-ru)

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Hi, haven't talked with you recently, I hope you're well.

I've had an idea for a change to the lang-ru template, and I'm thinking of proposing it at the template's talk page. I would be interested in getting your opinion first, before proposing it.

I want to change the lang-ru template to make it automatically add stress marks to common Russian names. For example, if you put:

{{langx|ru|Иван Иванович Иванов}}

the template will look up these 3 words in a table, and automatically add the 3 stress marks in the displayed version, and show:

Russian: Ива́н Ива́нович Ивано́в

Of course, the template would have to have a table with the top 50 most common names, patronymics and surnames. It would also have to be intelligent to avoid errors, for example:

  • if the template doesn't receive 3 words, then it's not a typical russian name, so don't make any changes
  • look up the first word on the list of names. If it's not there, then don't look in the other lists
  • look up the second word on the list of patronymics. If it's not there, then don't look in the other lists
  • look up the third word on the list of names. If it's not there, then don't look in the other lists

If we do it like that, then the vast majority of Russian articles on the English wikipedia will be greatly improved (particularly for non-Russians like me!!)

Also by doing it like that, it's backward-compatible, which means that no articles need to be modified in order to be automatically improved due to the change in the template.

We can also include an optional parameter to tell the template NOT TO MAKE any changes. So if the template is making unwanted changes on a particular entry, you can call this optional parameter to prevent it.

Also note that if a particular Russian person is called И́ван instead of Ива́н, there is no need to use this optional parameter because И́ван wouldn't be on the list, so the template wouldn't do anything with it.

The template can simply ignore all words that already have stress marks on them. Easy!

Finally, here are some reasons why I think making this change to the template is a good idea:

  • As it has been determined by consensus, it's very useful to have stress marks in the Russian words that appear inside the lang-ru template in the lead of Russia-related articles
  • The vast majority of these pages don't have stress marks
  • The majority of these pages are about people. All these articles would be automatically improved.
  • The new version of the template is completely backward-compatible
  • In the very improbable case that the automatic replacement is incorrect, an optional parameter can be used, to stop the template from making changes
  • I volunteer to modify the source code of the template. The template is protected, so I can't change it myself, but I volunteer to write the code if no admins want to do it
  • It would take FOREVER to make these replacements article by article. For example, the other day I did the experiment, I took 1000 articles that were calling the lang-ru template and the first word was Сергей and I used AWB to change them all to Серге́й. Even though I can use AWB properly and I know regular expressions, I took me 5 hours just to change 1000 articles, and that's not even all the articles, that's as many as my first AWB batch could take. And this is just one name. Imagine doing this for the 50 most common Russian names, the 50 most common Russian patronymics, the 50 most common Russian surnames... you're talking in the order of THOUSANDS of man-hours by skilled people. Or, we can make this nice little change to the template :)

If my proposal is rejected, my next proposal would be to write a bot to do it.

Azylber (talk) 03:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Azylber! Good to see you around. Hope you too are doing well.
Regarding your idea, it sounds great in theory but in practice, unfortunately, there is a number of hurdles which are not easy to overcome. The bot solution might actually be more practical than modifying the template.
The main problem with the template is that it takes one parameter for the Russian text, not three. Effectively it means that if an article contains {{langx|ru|Иван Иванович Иванов}}, one can easily work on the "Иван Иванович Иванов" part using standard template means, but splitting it into three words, while possible, is a rather resource-intensive task. Considering that the lang-ru template has ~37,000 transclusions, only some of which are human names (and only some of which would be in the look-up table), it seems to be too expensive of a trade-off.
Now, with Lua, some of that burden might be alleviated, but the utility of the automatic stress feature would still be limited by the fact that only some of the names would be in the lookup table. That, and I don't have any experience with Lua :)
It's also possible to modify the template to take more than one parameter (this way each parameter value can be looked up individually without having to split one parameter into its constituent parts), but this, of course, means that one would still need to run a bot to replace one parameter with three. It thus seems that no matter how you spin this idea around, a bot run would be needed at some stage anyway. And when it's the case, it's easier just to do the whole job using a bot from start to finish.
I myself don't have any bot experience, but on a few previous occasions I needed assistance, I found folks at WP:BOTREQ to be extremely willing to help. They'll need to know which most common words should be covered, and I would be more than willing to help with stresses once the list is compiled. After that, a bot can complete the job virtually overnight. This won't have any effect on transclusions created after the bot run, of course, but the run can be repeated periodically to catch new instances. The up side of this approach is that it won't have as much overhead as a modified template would.
Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 9, 2013; 13:49 (UTC)
Can we put stress as a property to Wikidata? I mean, can a property be formulated in a reasonable way?--Ymblanter (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how (and if) a property can be formulated to contain only the stress information. However, it may be possible (although it may be seen by some as redundant) to add another "name" property which would contain the same text as the item's Russian label, only with stresses. Of course, even if this is implemented, someone would have to actually fill out that field with values... Anyway, let me think some more about this; I haven't initially thought about doing this through Wikidata at all. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 9, 2013; 14:42 (UTC)

Hi guys, thank both of you for your answers.

  • Ezhiki: thank you very much for your analysis. I thought about using a bot after I had already written the whole idea on your talk page, and then I just added the bot suggestion on the last edit, a few hours later haha :) I agree with you, it seams a much better idea to use a bot than a template. I've never written a bot, and I want to learn how to make one, so this sounds like a good opportunity to learn.
  • Yaroslav: that sounds like a great idea to put it as a property on Wikidata. That line of thinking wouldn't just be useful for Russian, it would also be useful for most languages, because in most languages when you see something written down you don't know how to pronounce it unless you know the word. So I not only think that your idea is great, I also think that sooner or later Wikidata will end up including pronunciation information for all languages. If you want to prepare a proposal to do that, I will help you/support you.

As regards the new bot, I think the tasks should be:

Task 1
1) Go through the list of all pages that call lang-ru and do all the replacements for common names as explained above
2) If it can't find the stress marks for one or more words in an article, see if the article has an interwiki link to a Russian article and if the title is the same and if it can learn the stress from there
3) Maintain stats on everything that it learns, so we can identify new things that should be added to the "common names" list
4) Maintain stats on everything that it can't find the pronunciation for anywhere, so we can have a list of high priority words that we need to identify the pronunciation for
Task 2
Add stress marks to articles on the Russian wikipedia. That would be particularly useful for common names, because normally common names don't have stress marks on the Russian Wikipedia, because Russian people always know where the stress goes if it's a common name...
Task 3
Copy stuff over to Wikidata, when Yaroslav's idea is implemented.
Task 4
Use it for other things, not just articles about people. Russian cities, etc. Ultimately, use it for the lead of every single article that calls lang-ru....

Thoughts? Azylber (talk) 05:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you are willing to go through with coding a bot for this, you have my full support, of course. The task list looks fine to me, except I would precede it with Task 0—going through {{lang-ru}}'s transclusions and compiling the list of all words (splitting the multi-word parameters into individual words when necessary), so the top tier can be identified and used on other stages. Might as well collect the stress usage stats for those transclusions which contain it. It should also be possible to run this kind of task on a dump instead of live. This way you can learn your way around and have the safety of knowing that nothing can be screwed up while you are learning the ropes :)
I doubt I can be of much help with coding, but I'll be more than happy to provide assistance with any Russian-related questions you might have. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 10, 2013; 14:20 (UTC)
Man, it's funny, I've just waken up, and the idea for task zero was on my mind. While I was having my breakfast I was thinking, I have to add that to the explanation on Ezhiki's talk page. Then I opened your talk page and you'd already written it all, including the part about doing it with a dump lol Thanks for your help and support!! I can definitely handle the coding, but I will need more help when I'm dealing with questions about Russian language itself.
So now I'll begin with getting the dump and coding task zero and in the meantime I'll find out about the wikipedia bot application process etc. Thanks again! Azylber (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, great minds think alike... or was it programmers'? :)
Anyway, if I can help with anything, just ask. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 10, 2013; 20:07 (UTC)
I think you will like the name I chose for the bot... RaBOTnik  :) Azylber (talk) 05:36, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've placed the request [[15]]. Do you think what I wrote is ok? Azylber (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's one witty name :) But of course, one has to remember that "bot" is short for "robot", originally a Czech word coined by the Čapek brothers, one which has exactly the same root as Russian "rabotnik". Still, I like it quite a bit :)
The application looks fine and I see it has already been approved for trial. I apologize for a belated reply—I've been on the road all day yesterday. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2013; 15:55 (UTC)
I've been working on task zero. I've written an update on what I've done and what I've found in the data that I've analysed, and also there is something I need your help with. Please take a look: User:Azylber/RaBOTnik/Task0/Question1 Azylber (talk) 08:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I was just going to ask you this morning how things are going :) I'll go through the list today. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 25, 2013; 12:02 (UTC)
User:Azylber/RaBOTnik/Task0/Question2 :) Azylber (talk) 18:36, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there :) We need to finish question 2. If you guys are busy, perhaps you could suggest one more person we could ask for help? Thanks!! Azylber (talk) 12:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry; I saw Yaroslav pick up after me, and thought he had finished this already. I've added stresses to 7s and 6s; hopefully this should be enough to get you going! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 6, 2013; 14:54 (UTC)
Yeah I'm very sorry to be so insisting with this, I know you're busy. It's just that the bot approval people are getting a bit worried and I'm trying to tell them it's fine. Azylber (talk) 15:04, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, I understand. In fact, don't hesitate to bop me on the head more often if I promised to do something and haven't—I've been known to forget about such things due to unexpectedly hectic schedules lately. Now, do you want fives done as well, or will what we have so far suffice? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 6, 2013; 15:13 (UTC)
I had a chat with Yaroslav in October and we worked out that 5 was a reasonable number. Of course, the more the better, but getting too low is not cost-effective. Azylber (talk) 15:43, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see Yaroslav is going to do fives tonight. If he can't make it, I'll take care of them next week (and perhaps will cover fours as well). Very curious how well the bot is going to work, by the way! Thanks for doing this.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 6, 2013; 16:04 (UTC)
Hi there, good news! I've already finished compiling all the words, and I've almost finished writing the bot. I've got a little problem at the moment, I think the bot needs an IP block exemption, please look here. Thanks! Azylber (talk) 20:41, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like this has been taken care of, correct? Happy New Year!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 26, 2013; 15:26 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. And after that I did lots of testing in the bot's sandbox, and now I'm going to do the edits for the official trial. Happy new year to you too, although I think we'll probably talk before that! Azylber (talk) 18:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! Good news! Look here Azylber (talk) 19:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, it works! Congratulations! Now, was there anything unexpected behind the scenes? Also, I wanted to suggest to shorten the edit summaries (because some of the longer ones do not fit into the space allowed)—perhaps not much would be lost by omitting the original, unaccented word? After all, the only change the bot makes is adding an accent mark, so the original version is always exactly the same, only without an accent mark. For changes that involve fixing Latin/Cyrillic letters, both versions can be left in place. Thoughts?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 26, 2013; 19:50 (UTC)
No, nothing unexpected. I've tested it extensively, so today when I asked it to make 50 edits in article space, everything went smoothly, no nasty "surprises". It took us 4 months to get to where we are now... thinking about the concept, working out all the technicalities of how to get the data, dealing with all sorts of stuff that people put inside calls to the template, building the artificial intelligence that does the guesswork, coming out with some data for humans to process, processing it, carefully building the replacements database, writing up the robot's behaviour, sorting out the bureaucracy and then the last few days TESTING, TESTING and TESTING haha. So by the time we did the article space edits, everything worked as planned :)
Good idea about shortening the edit summaries. You are right, there are 2, Belarus and Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, where the edit summary was a bit too long. We can shorten them as you say.
Azylber (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, extensive testing is usually the key to success... I know how these things work (and, more often, don't work) and can very well imagine just how much labor went into making this seemingly simple run a success. Thank you for doing all that work (but then, of course, if you had fun doing it, it's not really "work" work :)).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 26, 2013; 20:39 (UTC)
Well, you know what it's like... it's "nice" when it works, but when you spend 2 hours writing a particular functionality and then you spend the next 2 days trying to figure out why it doesn't work, it's not that much fun. And I grossly underestimated how much work this was going to take, I didn't know it was going to take 4 months. I hope the bot gets approved soon, so I can turn it on and do all 37,000 articles! By the way, I've already coded the new "shorter summary" that you suggested. You'll see it when the bot starts editing again. Azylber (talk) 20:08, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's been some feedback here, and I'm not sure how to deal with it Azylber (talk) 16:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Norilsk

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I have 2 source! Maximum temperatur in Norilsk is 32°! http://norilsk-city.ru/press/news/2013/document30479.shtml http://siberiantimes.com/ecology/casestudy/news/norilsk-breaks-records-for-arctic-heat-in-a-new-sign-of-changing-weather-patterns/ Can I change it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tranzakciós-illeték (talk • contribs) 20:24, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, it's perfectly OK to change once there are sources. Just make sure to add the source(s) to the individual 32°C value and not to the whole table and all will be well. Let me know if you need help with doing that. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2013; 16:30 (UTC)

Bezhetsk

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I am currently working on Bezhetsk (just finished Bezhetsky District), and I am about to write in both articles that Bezhetsk is not a part of Bezhetsky District. Do you know whether this is still correct?--Ymblanter (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bezhetsk actually is a part of the district. The only Tver Oblast's cities/towns which are not parts of any district are Kimry, Rzhev, Torzhok, Tver, and Vyshny Volochyok (Ozyorny and Solnechny, being ZATOs, are also not subordinated to any district).
All in all, I've already updated all articles on the cities/towns of federal subject significance. If any particular article doesn't explicitly mention the status, it means that it's a town of district significance (and I'm slowly making my way through those right now). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2013; 16:01 (UTC)
Great, thanks. In the article on the administrative division Bezhetsk is still listed as a town of oblast significance, but I am going to fix this later.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:29, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's because OKATO still lists it as such despite it not being the case since at least 2006... I am going to go through the entire series of those lists and to switch them from OKATO to the actual current laws, but am not yet sure when I'll have time.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2013; 16:35 (UTC)

Kyra Vayne

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Kyra Vayne was from St Petersburg and she was named in Russian Kyra Knopmuss: would the addition of this in its Cyrillic form be useful here do you think.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 16:02, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why not? Maybe not right in the lede, seeing how she has no relation to Russia other than ancestral, but definitely in a footnote. Do you need help adding this?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2013; 16:28 (UTC)
Thank you; help is needed for the Cyrillic form. I have seen Knopmuss in Cyrillic but "Kyra" (?) She was a refugee as a young child.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 17:57, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's "Кира (Кнопмусс)" in Russian. "Kyra" is an Anglicization, not a transliteration (sort of like "Александр" becoming "Alexander" instead of "Aleksandr").—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 13, 2013; 18:04 (UTC)
Thank you; I have added it and if it looks odd probably someone else will amend it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:33, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata weekly summary #75

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I don't actually disagree with your reverting my edit to include the Japanese name of Sakhalin at Sakhalin Oblast. However, I think an explanation is appropriate. You are right this is more appropriate at Sakhalin. However, the Japanese name for Sakhalin Oblast is appropriate for the article on the oblast, given that (at least part of it) was previously part of Japan. At the present time, no mention is made of the Japanese name. I had reverted what I considered to be nationalist vandalism (where every mention of "Sakhalin" in the History section had been changed to "Karafuto (Sakhalin)"), with the comment that the Japanese name was appropriate once, in the opening paragraph, but not at every use of the name, per the Manual of Style. I then realised that the Japanese name wasn't included at all in the article as it now stood. Now, ideally I would have included the Japanese name and transliteration of "Sakhalin Oblast": however, I could not find either anywhere (the page on Japanese Wikipedia translates as "Sakhalin", not "Sakhalin Oblast"). Rather than see a prolonged edit war over the name, it seemed more appropriate to ensure that at least one Japanese name was included somewhere in the opening paragraph.. Skinsmoke (talk) 05:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Skinsmoke! Thanks for taking time to provide an explanation. I feel I should explain as well.
You are right that the reason for my removal of the Japanese (as well as Russian!) spelling is due to the fact that alternative and foreign names belong in the articles about the subject and should not be included every time the subject is mentioned elsewhere. But regarding the other part of the argument (that a part of the oblast was previously a part of Japan), that's only retroactively true. Sakhalin Oblast (i.e., the subject of the article) was established in 1932 and did not include the southern part of the island because, of course, it was a part of Japan then. When the Soviet Union annexed that part, South Sakhalin Oblast (i.e., an entity separate from Sakhalin Oblast) was established there. It was only in 1947 that the two were merged. As such, including Japanese name would probably be rather appropriate in the article about South Sakhalin Oblast (which we at the moment do not have), but including it in the article about Sakhalin Oblast, an entity created after the annexation and one which has no direct connection with Japan is redundant, methinks.
At any rate, lest I made it sound that I care deeply about the exclusion of the Japanese name, I assure you that I do not :) It was something that struck me as somewhat odd and I acted accordingly. The article badly needs an overhaul anyway! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 1, 2013; 12:16 (UTC)
I can't say I'm too arsed either way, if I'm honest, but I have a hunch some of the more nationalist Japanese editors will be. Let's see how it goes, huh? As long as we don't finish up with the (incompetently done) insertion of the Japanese name into every mention of Sakhalin! I do wonder, however, whether there isn't a good case for merging the articles at Sakhalin and Sakhalin Oblast. They do seem to duplicate each other a lot. I can see the point of a separate article for the Kuril Islands, but not really for the main island. Does it help in building a better encyclopaedia, or does it just confuse matters for the reader? Skinsmoke (talk) 12:43, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have this article on my watchlist and will pay more attention to it from now on. As for the merger, the articles should definitely not be merged. One is about a geographical entity (an island), the other is about a political entity (an oblast which is less than a century old and which includes other territories). While some duplication is unavoidable, the focus is completely different. If I'm not confusing this with something similar, this had actually been proposed before and failed. And having an article for a top level political entity most definitely serves encyclopedic purpose (Britannica thinks so as well: oblast/island).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 1, 2013; 14:03 (UTC)

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Can you protect Khaibakh massacre too? I've been trying to get this editor to respond to the talk page thread about his edits there since August. --Yalens (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Using photographs

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Hello. Is there a way that this photo can be used in english wikipedia? Superzohar Talk 18:43, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's under a free license, I've moved it to Commons (under the same name). It can now be used on the English Wikipedia. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 14, 2013; 14:32 (UTC)

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Приветствую! Вы мне не поможете переименовать Orascom Telecom Holding в Global Telecom Holding без потери истории правок. Тут один участник очищает страницу и вручную переносит текст. Требуется наоборот удалить Global Telecom Holding, чтобы была возможность переименовать. --TarzanASG (talk) 07:20, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Прошу прощения за задержку с ответом; путешествовал...
С телекомом уже всё починили, или требуется ещё что-то?
Что касается Распадской, то на мой взгляд было бы правильнее использовать в названии статьи "компанию", а не "шахту", поскольку вы правы в том, что "компания" — это понятие более общее. С другой стороны, информация, содержащаяся в статье, касается в основном шахты, а аспект компании затронут очень поверхностно. Так что в чистом итоге это может быть и всё равно (по крайней мере пока статья остаётся в её текущем состоянии). При желании всегда можно попросить статью переименовать.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 21, 2013; 19:41 (UTC)

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could you please upload also this, this, this, and this. pictures to wikicommons? i want to use them in correspondent articles about the oblasts. Thanks! Superzohar Talk 16:39, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am afraid none of them is compatible with the absence of Freedom of panorama in Russia. They can be uploaded here as fair use though.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought FoP restrictions in Russia only apply to buildings and structures which have architectural value? These look like run-off-the-mill government buildings; Yaroslav, are you sure FoP applies?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 21, 2013; 19:52 (UTC)
That depends on the interpretation of course. All four buildings have been most likely constructed according to individual projects, and it would be difficult to defend if the get AfDed on Commons. One can try and see what happens, but typically PD-trivial is only a good argument if one speaks of the 1960s and the 1970s mass construction.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The answer doesn't make it any more comfortable for me to start transferring these to the Commons, though :) Let's see what happens to the Khabarovsk Krai Administration building image I transferred previously.
Superzohar, it doesn't look like transferring these to the Commons is a good idea, but like Yaroslav said previously, you should be able to upload them to the English Wikipedia under fair use. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 21, 2013; 21:02 (UTC)

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Jewish Autonomous Oblast pic

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This picture is fully released to the public. How can i use it in english wikipedia? i tried to upload other pictures, and didnt find it! i think they were deleted. Superzohar Talk 18:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Religion in Russia

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Moved from here.

Hello Ezhiki, this is not a criticism, I just dont know how to contact you, anyway are you still active in doing edits here in wikipedia? I'd like you ask for your help, there has been some people doing erroneous edits in the Religions section of the English Russia page, They have been distorting info about the percentage of believers of each religion, I tried making the necessary changes but someone undid it and reverted it back to its wrong form. Can you do the proper editing? Many Thanks :)— Preceding unsigned comment added by LordAntagonist (talk • contribs)

Hi there! Percentages of religious denominations is just one thing on which one can find several sources with different (and sometimes radically different) numbers. That can be for a variety of reasons, but more often than not boils down to the methodology used by each particular source. The CIA Factbook is no less a reliable or proper source than what you are using, and if the numbers don't match, it's likely a sign that the data cannot be presented using one simplistic pie chart and should be explained in the text ("according to this source, there are XXX Orthodox Christians, YYY pagans, ZZZ atheists, and according to that source, the numbers are, correspondingly, AAA, BBB, and CCC. The discrepancies are for such and such reason..." and so on). On the other hand, if there is a consensus somewhere that a pie chart should be included and it should be using the CIA Factbook (if only because it ensures uniform methodology across different countries and makes the percentages for different countries directly comparable), then that's what should be used. Don't know if this helps you any, but that's what my opinion is. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 21, 2013; 20:18 (UTC)

Aktash

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Hi, Ezhiki Thank you for the corrections, but I read on list https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Населённые _пу% D0� кты_Татарстана that Aktash was a Посёлки городского типа (?), although I may have made a mistake. Thank you again. Berton (talk) 14:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Berton! Russky Aktash used to be an urban-type settlement, but it was demoted to rural status in 2004. The administrative divisions of the Republic of Tatarstan only lists the urban-type settlements which currently have this status, which is why I removed your addition. The inclusion of Russky Aktash on this page in the Russian Wikipedia seems to be a mistake (that page claims to be based on the 2010 Census results, but in those results Russky Aktash is already listed as rural). Hope this helps! Let me know if you need anything else clarified. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 22, 2013; 15:24 (UTC)

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Nomination of Height 611 UFO incident for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Height 611 UFO incident is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Discussion of interest

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A discussion you may be interested in is this RFC, a proposal to make the second comma in a date/place optional. United States Man (talk) 05:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

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Cleaning up the Belarus geographical mess

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I'm getting unstuck in trying to compile a table of terminology for the Belarus geographical naming conventions. There appears to be a flood of new articles and stubs recently and it appears that English Wikipedia is now leading the way with transliteration/transcription norms (which, as we know, simply isn't Wikipedia's role). As the contributors don't seem to know what to do other than follow the current directives, we're ending up with orphaned pages and broken links absolutely everywhere.

My thoughts are to follow the Belarusian government standards for the English speaking world (which DON'T involve the irritating version of what is essentially Latinka), i.e. as laid out per this map and other official sites. What's good enough for the Belarus government should be good enough for us.

You can check the sad beginnings in my sandbox. Any constructive input from sensible Wikipedians would be appreciated.

I've left this message on Ymblanter and TaalVerbeteraar's pages as well. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Iryna! Thanks for the note.
You probably have no idea (and it probably doesn't show, considering my recent participation), but I am trying to do my best to be as uninvolved as possible in the matters of naming and romanization of place names outside of Russia. I do occasionally step in when a particularly disastrous suggestion is seriously considered (the Instruction shenanigans is a good example), but I'd rather not be involved in drafting working guidelines for Belarus/Ukraine/Kazakhstan/etc. It's not because I have no interest or knowledge in those areas, but mostly because it's getting increasingly difficult to find time to bring Russia's matters into some semblance of order (things like the WP:RUS disaster a few years back can really dampen one's spirits!), and fitting other countries is often a challenge I'm not willing to engage in.
That said, if you ever take a look at Russia's guidelines and muse something along the lines of "I wonder why this is done this way and not differently", I'm always all to happy to furnish an explanation, whether it is to simply satisfy your curiosity or to borrow a particular clause for another country's guidelines. Also, if you have any specific questions you feel could benefit from my input, you are very welcome to ask me as well. Other than that, please accept my sincere wishes of good luck—it's high time someone took a serious look at the conventions used for Belarus and Ukraine! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 28, 2013; 17:50 (UTC)
I fully sympathise/empathise, Ezhiki. It's difficult for me already to make headway having been accused of being a Ukrainian nationalist, a Russophile a this that and the other. The best I can do is the best I can do and I'll persevere. I don't think any of these people have any concept that their nationalistic ideologies are backfiring on them, no matter how they try to justify them. English Wikipedia is written for English speakers and should be as accessible as possible on English language terms. I'm starting to think that the Belarus nomenclature is beyond help other than using Region and District. Even the Belarus government sites use variations on the spelling of regions and districts! I hold a little more hope for the Ukrainian entries as the English transliteration/transcription norms follow the Russian transliteration standards more closely and I'm only finding digressions in entries for Western Ukraine where 'j' and 'w' crop up instead of 'y' and 'v'. Any changes I've made to those haven't met with any protest so far.
Thank you so much for the offer of using your guidelines and answering any queries I have about them. Sorry to subject you to this but I probably will be needing to pick your brain on those issues on occasion as I consider those guidelines to be inordinately sensible.
On the subject of the standardization of Russian articles, I've been working on a few new entries which are obviously taken directly from Russian Wikipedia simply using google translate and are in desperate need of being cleaned up. Up to now, I haven't tampered with their being entered as 'Oblast', etc., for fear of being denounced (I'm kidding, I hope). I assume I should try to bring them in line with the standardization used for the majority of Russia-specific articles? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:24, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This may sound like a trivial advice, but if you simply ignore whatever personal attacks are directed at you and address only the nuggets of constructive criticism (which, rare as they are in such discussions, do pop up occasionally), you'll find it all a lot easier to deal with. As a side benefit, your posts will be shorter, too, and easier for an outside visitor to grasp :) Personal attacks by others are like an elephant in the room—you don't really have to address it, it's visible by all, and the attitude toward the owner of that elephant is in direct correlation with that elephant's behavior and the room size :)
On the subject of asking me questions, don't even hesitate; I'm always happy to help (and more willing the more the questions concern the areas I tend to edit). As for cleaning up articles, if you can stick to the same terminology throughout, that'd be great, but if you find this task too time-consuming or mind-bogglingly boring, don't sweat it too much. From what I've seen thus far, inconsistent terminology is the least of those additions' problems :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 29, 2013; 13:35 (UTC)
Хахаха! No, that isn't trivial advice! Wikipedia has been a steeper learning curve than I'd anticipated. It's taken me months to adjust to not being an original researcher, which is what most of my working life has revolved around. It's been even more difficult reigning in my big mouth: I'm used to being in front of audiences trying to tear my research apart and blinding them with rhetoric, verbosity and my acerbic (albeit usually good-humoured) tongue. Being acutely aware of the fact that I've made myself the elephant in the room on some talk pages will eventually assist me in becoming more succinct. Not there yet, though!
No, I don't intend to sweat the small stuff. Tidying as I go is generally satisfying enough. I really don't expect to get too far with the Belarus clean-up. It's aggravating when, aside from the fact of there being ridiculous numbers of convolutions on the spelling of a single raion/rajon/nylons American GI's hand out to the local gals, there's a complete disregard for the fact that Belarus has two official languages with Belarusian, according to statistical data, still only constituting a marginal majority in the 'native language' stakes. Facts are facts, and Wikipedia deals in facts... and the elephant in me does enjoy charging brick walls just for the intellectual discipline!!!??? I hope that makes sense to you. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I understand completely. Editing Wikipedia, without creating problems for others and without ruining one's well-being by the problems created by others, requires a paradigm shift, especially for someone accustomed to working in the original research environment. I hope your negative experiences so far don't overweight the positives. Contributing here may not be as rewarding as successful original research might be, but rewarding it is, especially in the long run. It's good to have you here; intellectual discipline is one area where Wikipedia could use some improvement :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 30, 2013; 17:41 (UTC)
I'm definitely here for the long run rewards, although the short term rewards are already proving to be more than gratifying. I was initially concerned that too many years of my despotic nature being cultivated, nurtured and rewarded would be an impediment too difficult to overcome. The fact that I'm identifying a few astute editors/contributors, like yourself, reminds me that it's a delight to develop a genuinely informative, balanced, relevant, well cited and well constructed resource. Subjective substance before ego serves as precious reminder of what enlightenment truly should mean.
P.S. It's a pleasure to make your acquaintance! Even though I'm still a beginner, if there's anything I can assist you with, please feel free to 'yo' me. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:06, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The pleasure is all mine! It always makes my day when a new editor of your stature joins Wikipedia ranks (and intends to stay)! Sadly, these days it is no longer a common occurrence. If I can be of any help (not necessarily related to the subject of your original request), please don't hesitate to holler. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); October 31, 2013; 15:45 (UTC)
Shall do! I think this could work to our mutual benefit, most specifically where an objective third party opinion would be appreciated. I have no qualms about being steered in the right direction if I am in the wrong, so would not take any potential criticism or critique as a personal slight, i.e. I wouldn't ask for your input assuming that you would support my interpretation of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:08, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Lesnoy

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I still don't understand. For example you reverted in Lesnoy, Pushkinsky District, Moscow Oblast [16]. Now Lesnoy links to Lesnoy_(disambiguation) that is a redirect to Lesnoy, before I wrote Lesnoy that links directly to that disambiguantion page. Explain me, please, is better to get a disambiguation page via a redirect? It sounds strange! --08:43, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Rago! Did you get a chance to read WP:INTDABLINK—the guideline I mentioned in my edit summary? I can't really explain it any better than WP:HOWTODAB (a subsection of INTDABLINK) already does. The answer to your question (about the "strange" practice of linking to a disambig page via a redirect) is right there: [doing so] helps distinguish accidental links to the disambiguation page from intentional ones. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 4, 2013; 15:35 (UTC)

MOS:COMMA

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You recently contributed to a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names) § Commas in metro areas. Following a recent related RFC on the wording used at MOS:COMMA in relation to geographic names, a new wording has gathered some support and I have opened a new RFC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style § RFC: Proposed amendment to MOS:COMMA regarding geographical references and dates for further discussion of the proposal, which may interest you. —sroc 💬 08:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments/suggestions?

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Hi, Ezhiki. I'd be grateful for any input on this matter on my talk page. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Udmurtia time zone

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(Previous talk thread copied from your archive):

I'd like to add an English-language source for time zone, as this is more useful for readers. However, the parameter does not seem to be listed at Template:Infobox Russian federal subject. Do you know how it can be edited? Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 22:03, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's not listed because it's not available as an infobox parameter but is pulled directly from the {{RussiaTimeZone}} template. That template currently uses only one source to reference all federal subjects, but it is possible to change only the Udmurtia-specific part. If you are comfortable with editing templates, please go ahead and make the changes (but please test it first—that template is transcluded from thousands of pages); if not, I'll be happy to help if you let me know which source you want to add (it's not hard, but it's easier to show how to do it than to explain). Just to make sure, the source you would like to use is of equal quality, right? It's just that there are plenty of websites in English on the web, but even as they are mostly accurate, not too many are reliable. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 8, 2013; 13:29 (UTC)

New post:

Sorry I missed your above reply at the time. Whilst I can see the reason to have a default infobox reference for time zone, it is useful if there is an English one for readers, which should ideally be capable of being added fairly easily. If you manually add an English reference for a time zone at a particular article, I could then see what you've done and do it for other Russian places that I may want to. I was going to suggest using Time and Date as source. I have no reason to believe it not to be reliable. If you make the change for Udmurtia or Ufa, a couple of Russian places on my watchlist. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 14:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My offer still stands, but you'll have to let me know what the source is, otherwise I have nothing to add to demonstrate how it's done. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 15, 2013; 14:31 (UTC)
Thanks. Here's the Time and Date link for Ufa [17]. Eldumpo (talk) 14:37, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'll make adjustments to make inserting a custom ref possible (might be next week, however; hope it's OK with you), but just so you know, I'm not quite convinced this particular source qualifies as reliable. Accurate, probably, but reliable, I have my doubts. As per WP:RS, a reliable source is one that qualifies as a "third-party, published source[] with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". This one is published by what looks like a private company whose only claim to fame is running this website, it does not say where the data come from, gives only vague assurances that its "employees are experienced and trained in their fields", and its list of accolades includes praises about the site's usability, features, and breadth of coverage but not on its accuracy. There is no "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" to speak of, and that's the most important aspect of a source that can be considered reliable.
That, of course, is strictly my opinion, but I would recommend to get a third-party view before actually using that site as a source. WP:RSN seems like a good place for that; I'll post there next. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 15, 2013; 14:55 (UTC)
If you're going to ask at RSN you may as well ask about other sites as well e.g. [18]. They can't all be 'unreliable'. Eldumpo (talk) 15:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are mixing up the concepts of "accurate" and "reliable". A site can very well contain accurate information but still be considered unreliable if it fails to meet the criteria outlined in WP:RS. Heck, you and me can create a blog and fill it up to the brim with 100% accurate information, yet it still wouldn't make it a reliable source. At any rate, if you want to inquire about other similar sites, you are welcome to add them to this thread. The main concern is the "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", not accuracy per se. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 15, 2013; 15:47 (UTC)

Thanks for supplying the code for adding a direct time zone cite to a Russian infobox place. I have successfully added it for Ufa. I noted there had been a response at RSN that T and D was regarded as reliable, though you still had concerns. I think there is a reasonableness argument about accepting TAD's citing in various reliable sources. I had a look at IANA but couldn't seem to get to the point where actual time zones around the world are listed. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 12:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. As for the source, I do still have concerns because none of them have been properly addressed. I'm also not sure what you mean by TAD being cited in various reliable sources—I'm not seeing any such citations, not here, not anywhere else—have I missed something?
But anyway, if no one else has a problem with using this source, I'm not that terribly concerned with it either. I wouldn't be surprised if this came up again in a few years, though. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 25, 2013; 18:08 (UTC)

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Hi Ezhiki, thanks for tidying up this article and putting the relevant legal sources in place. I'll endeavour to use that as a template and make the same corrections to the other Sakha village stubs that I have been creating. Fenix down (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the offer; I much appreciate it! I'll be taking random stabs at those as well, so don't be surprised to see me around :) And if I can specifically help with anything, you know where to find me! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 21, 2013; 02:35 (UTC)
Cheers mate. Two other questions, firstly, I presume "rural okrug" is preferable to "Nasleg", in which case I will update the locality tables in the various district articles accordingly too and secondly, I take it from your edit that articles on the rural okrugs such as Shologonsky National Rural Okrug are appropriate (even if they may end up duplicating information almost exactly when there is only one village in a rural okrug)? If so, can you point me to an example I might use as a template, please? Fenix down (talk) 08:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In Russian, "nasleg" and "rural okrug" in the Sakha Republic are terms with equal legal status (i.e., they are considered to be interchangeable). In English, of course, "rural okrug" is an obscure loan word, while "nasleg" is a meaningless combination of letters :) Given the choices, I'd say "rural okrug" is a better option, especially considering that a while ago all "uluses" were moved to "districts" (with the two terms also being legally equivalent in Russian), with the reason being that "ulus" is not an actual English word but simply a transliteration of a Russian/Sakha word.
As for linking the rural okrugs, you raise a valid point. While I am planning to eventually create articles on these entities (after I'm done with the towns of district significance and the urban-type settlements of district significance), but it probably makes little sense to create separate articles when such entities only contain one rural locality. Upmerging this information into the rural locality article and redirecting the administrative division link should work just fine—at least that's what's I'm already doing with the towns of district significance/urban settlements containing only one locality. Let me know if you have other ideas though; this could use some more mulling over. With Shologonsky NRO in particular, I linked it more because there is also a Shologonsky RO (not "national") in Gorny District, not because I genuinely expected to eventually see an article.
As for the ROs with more than one locality, whether you link them or not makes no difference on my end. After I'm done with other district division types, these will be taken care (created/linked to) using semi-automated tools. This will deprive us all of the joy of manual verification/linking/relinking/tying with the municipal aspect, but I hope you aren't going to mourn that particular loss too badly :).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 21, 2013; 14:58 (UTC)

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Do you by any chance have sources for the urban-type settlement status of Kuzhenkino, Vypolzovo, and Berezayka? I found some unreliable sources, and I am afraid that reliable sources do not exist online, but they might be available in the administrative divisions Soviet-time handbooks. Nothing urgent, thanks in advance.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a handbook specifically on Kalinin Oblast, but these dates are available in the more general 1987 All-Union reference book which I do have (and which I have added to the article). Two similar RSFSR books (one from 1940 and the other from 1945) give the same dates. Hope it helps.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 25, 2013; 15:11 (UTC)
Great, thank you very much.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Your assistance please

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You deleted the article Excursion vessel Ferdinand as an expired {{prod}}. This was several years ago, but the tag placer lapsed in not informing me of the tag.

Could you please userify this article? Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 03:12, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, no problem→User:Geo Swan/Excursion vessel Ferdinand.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); November 29, 2013; 04:48 (UTC)

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Couple of Qs

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Hi Ezhiki, a couple of Qs on your recent edits to Sakha villages:

  • 1. Is it correct to refer to places such as Soyangi as being in "So-and-so 1-y Rural Okrug"? I know this is the correct transliteration, but 1-y doesn't really mean anything in english. Perhaps "first" is not the best way (although it sounds best to me when read), but if it should still be presented numerically, would "1st So-and-so Rural Okrug" not be better? Also, how would you deal with this? Presumably "Mastakh 2-y"? That makes less sense to me as it means nothing in English and so would not be a likely search term.
  • 2. Is this edit technically correct. The Sakha website is referring to the 2002 census, but as it is not verifiable by reference to any official census source, is it appropriate? I suppose it is a reliable source in itself. Is there a file available on line that goes to that level of detail? I would love it if there were!

Fenix down (talk) 16:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Here are the answers.
  1. Yes, it's correct. Russian place names are always transliterated, never translated (at least translating them is not a proper practice). A map of the region (in English), for example, would never show anything like "First So-and-So"; it may render "1-й" as "1", "1-y", or some such, but never "First". Introducing a translated word into romanization is like referring to Nizhny Novgorod as "Lower Novgorod" (or, worse yet, "Lower Newcity"). And as far as the proper romanization goes, it is the official Russian name (spelled exactly the way it's spelled in all the registries and, consequently, on all the maps) that gets romanized. With Mastakh, for example, the original spelling is "Мастах 2-й", so the romanization would be "Mastakh 2-y". If the name were given as "Мастах Второй", the romanization would have been "Mastakh Vtoroy", and if it were "Мастах-2", we'd use "Mastakh-2". Sure, "1-y" or "2-y" mean nothing in English, but neither do "Kangalassky" or "Mastakh" :)
  2. I don't think it's a problem. The registry itself is an official government document, so presumably when it refers to the official Census results, it uses the data straight out of the primary source, and when it explicitly labels them as such, it's just as good as the primary source itself for our purposes. At any rate, the "pop_latest" field was designed to hold the most recent population estimate, and Census data, regardless of where they are cited, are not estimates. As for a file with the level of detail on individual localities, there are in fact such documents for both the 2002 and 2010 Census, and a few of them are available in public access on the regional Rosstat websites, but this doesn't seem to be the case for the Sakha Republic (but I haven't dug deep, so I might have missed it). Feel free to look around here; at least they have fresh 2013 estimates to the rural okrug/rural settlement level (same detail as the 2010 Census file you already have).
Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 3, 2013; 17:12 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, will put the 2002 populations in the census field in future articles and will try to get around to moving in already created articles. I kind of agree with your point about 1-y / 2-y, your right that it shouldn't be Second Mastakh now I think about it as it should be transliterated not translated. However, I wonder in this instance whether 1-y / 2-y should be presented as Pervyy / Vtoroy as this is how 1-y / 2-y would be said. No one would refer to the settlement as "Mastakh two-dash-y". Fenix down (talk) 10:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I do agree that it looks kind of ugly, but think of it this way. The purpose of romanization is to take the native spelling and, using that spelling and nothing else, to arrive to a standardized form to be used in English. That standardized form is what then used on maps and in reference. And maps and reference are pretty much the only English-language sources a reader usually sees when highly obscure places like that are involved. Sure, "1-y" means "Pervy", but a reader who knows no Russian is unlikely to search for "Pervy" in the first place, which necessitates a redirect from the "1-y" version anyway. And once "1-y" comes into play, why not put the article there and set other alternatives as redirects? Remember also that pronunciation guidance is not one of the goals romanization pursues; we have many other tools for that. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 4, 2013; 13:05 (UTC)
I think the proper way to take this into account would be to indicate that "Mastakh 2-y" is pronounced as "Mastakh Vtoroy", possibly giving a phonetical transcription.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:53, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A phonetic transcription, of course, is never out of place, regardless of how the name is spelled. Yaroslav, are you any good with the Russian IPA? (Because I am not).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 4, 2013; 14:03 (UTC)
Not really, but I can have a look.--Ymblanter (talk) 14:05, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea guys, I will move the relevant article and make changes where needed. Fenix down (talk) 15:13, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The Wikipedia Library Survey

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As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:47, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, since the survey is hosted exclusively on a secure connection, with plain http access not working, I am unable to participate due to my access limitations. Please consider hosting an unsecured version as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 9, 2013; 16:04 (UTC)
Hi Ëzhiki, and sorry about the difficulty. I cannot make the survey http, unfortunately. The best I could do, and I'd still love your feedback, is to give you a word document with the survey questions and let you update it manually. Feel free to do that here, in whatever way is easiest for you: [19]. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 17:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize that's another https link, right? :)) Anyway, I'll try accessing the survey from home, if I find time. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 9, 2013; 17:54 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)#En dash vs. "and" for multi-state metro areas

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Date in signature

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Hi there,

I just happened to notice that your date appears in an irregular format in your signature on posts, e.g.:

—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 11, 2013; 19:03 (UTC)

Time stamps in signatures are formatted in special ways:

However, none of this works with dates in unusual formats, such as in your signature. For example, the posts at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)#En dash vs. .22and.22 for multi-state metro areas appear to me as:

Herostratus (talk) 05:06, Today (UTC 11)

--BDD (talk) 05:22, Today (UTC 11)

--Stfg (talk) 05:32, Today (UTC 11)

AgnosticAphid talk 05:44, Today (UTC 11)

—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 11, 2013; 19:03 (UTC)

—sroc 💬 09:28, Today (UTC 11)

See how yours is the only one that stands out in a different format, using a date instead of "Today", and using UTC time instead of my local time zone? If I had used examples with specific dates instead of "Today", they would be in DMY format as compared with MDY format in your signature. This makes it harder for readers to follow if they use any of these settings. Although modifying the style of your username and talk links in signatures is common, changing the format of the time stamp leads to these sort of problems.

Would you please consider changing the format of your time stamp to the standard format? I think the time stamp formatting already prevents wrapping, so the &nbsp; in your date format is unnecessary anyway, otherwise you could use the <nowrap>...</nowrap> code around the time stamp instead.

Thanks! —sroc 💬 23:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has always been my belief that if an automated tool is unable to cope with a valid personal preference of a user, it is the tool's fault, not the user's. That said, if you can suggest a way to amend my signature so that it retains the mdy format yet does not cause the problems you outlined above, I am quite willing to hear it out. Also, now that the timestamps no longer wrap by default, I'll take out the non-breaking spaces; thanks for the pointer, I was not aware of this change. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 12, 2013; 03:07 (UTC)
Just go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-datetime and set your preferred date format and the dates in the time stamps — not just yours — should magically change! —sroc 💬 06:05, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, but that one doesn't seem to affect signatures. I've had it set to mdy almost since when it was introduced, and everyone's signatures (including yours in this thread) still display as dmy...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 12, 2013; 13:07 (UTC)
Ah, so I see. I have raised this at Wikipedia talk:Signatures#Date stamp format to see if this can be fixed. —sroc 💬 03:35, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In the meantime, you could install the Wikipedia:Comments in Local Time gadget, which allows you to choose MDY format for all the signatures you see (not just your own) without affecting how others see them. —sroc 💬 03:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Create a page at User:Ezhiki/vector.js and paste in the following code to approximate your preferred date stamp format:
importScript('User:Gary King/comments in local time.js'); // [[User:Gary King/comments in local time.js]]
LocalComments = {
	dateDifference: false,
	dateFormat: 'mdy',
	timeFirst: false,
	twentyFourHours: true,
	dayOfWeek: false,
	dropDays: 0,
	dropMonths: 0
};
—sroc 💬 03:44, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but I don't use vector, and I keep the number of scripts and gadgets to a minimum for various reasons (I work on a lot of outdated and mobile hardware, and scripts usually create more problems than they solve and often slow things down).
By the way, <nowrap>...</nowrap> tags do not work in my signature (they display as raw text), but the {{nowrap}} template does, although it, too, adds an html span element (which may actually be more cumbersome than a single non-breaking space between month and day).→—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 13, 2013; 13:17 (UTC)
Sorry, User:Ezhiki/skin.js redirected to User:Ezhiki/vector.js so I assumed that was the one for you, but perhaps that was based on my settings, not yours.
While I respect your desire to have your date stamp appear in your preferred format (which can also be accomplished by a gadget), your decision to do this by modifying your signature into a format that the system cannot recognise disrupts other users' preferences in a multitude of ways: (1) the date format (DMY, MDY, YMD, etc.) cannot be adjusted; (2) the font format cannot be adjusted; (3) the time zone cannot be adjusted. These all make the date stamps inconsistent compared with posts by other users. Of these, (1) and (2) are purely cosmetic, albeit annoying; but (3) also requires additional mental energy to calculate the time when a post was made, which makes it more difficult to follow the chronological order of posts (particularly when it comes to indented comments, etc.). You can perhaps see this more clearly from how the above examples now appear with the dates:

Herostratus (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2013 (UTC 11)

--BDD (talk) 05:22, 12 December 2013 (UTC 11)

--Stfg (talk) 05:32, 12 December 2013 (UTC 11)

AgnosticAphid talk 05:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC 11)

—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 11, 2013; 19:03 (UTC)

—sroc 💬 09:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC 11)

I would ask you, please, to reconsider. —sroc 💬 02:36, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Ezhiki, continued thanks for all your hard work. Would you please consider doing the translation of these six or seven book titles above? Google Translate just makes hashes of it. Kind regards Buckshot06 (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go:
  • A. Lukashenko. Following the Airborne Force Ways
  • Yu. Yu. Nenakhov. Airborne Forces in World War II (The Encyclopedia of the Art of War)
  • I. M. Novokhatsky. Memoirs of a Squadron Commander. Division Artillery During the Great Patriotic War (On the Front Line. The Truth About the War) (Memoirs of an Officer...→[no idea what "4th Guards Airborne Artillery Regiment 1st Guards Airborne Division," free-translation;Ë])
  • V. V. Pigunov. Through the Eyes of a Paratrooper
  • V. N. Nechayev. 50th Guards Tank Brigade/B. S. Lebedev. 1st Guards Airborne Division
  • I. I. Gromov, V. N. Pigunov, V. N. Piskunov. Forward, Airborne Raiders, to the Victory.
Hope this helps!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 13, 2013; 21:35 (UTC)
Thanks Ezhiki!! Merry Christmas!! Buckshot06 (talk) 23:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How about this?- got some of it as you can see.
On 4.8.1943, the corps, as part of 7th Guards Army, преодолевая упорное сопротивление противника и отражая его яростные контратаки, настойчиво продвигается вперед на Белгород. Наращивая силу ударов, части корпуса ворвались в город и 5-го августа очистили его врага. 18.1.1944 units of the corps в составе 53 А ведет оборонительные бои на участке от Звенигородки до Водяного. К 13.2.1944 г. корпус, повоевав в подчинении 5 гв.ТА, передается со всей занимаемой полосой обороны снова в состав 53 А. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to clean this up; I'm not entirely sure on some of the terms:
On August 4, 1943, the corps, as a part of the 7th Guards Army, overcoming the enemy's stubborn resistance and deflecting frenzied counterattacks, persistently moved forward to Belgorod. Increasing the attack force, parts of the corps stormed the city and cleared it on August 5. On January 18, 1944, the units of the corps, as a part of 53A (???), conduct defensive battles in the area of Zvenigorodka–Vodyanoy. By February 13, 1944, the corps, after having being subordinated to the 5th Guard TA (?), is transferred back to 53A along with their defensive position.
Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 16, 2013; 16:00 (UTC)
Thanks very much Ezhiki. The veterans of 1st Guards Airborne would probably thank you for helping tell their story to a wider than Russian-speaking audience... Buckshot06 (talk) 01:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ezhiki, would you please mind taking at a stab at this? I have some of it, but the first sentence doesn't make too much sense:
...совсем недолго пребывала в статусе Особого военного округа в Калининграде, и уже в 1946 г. ей был возвращен номер времен войны. К этому времени ее состав времен войны...
...покинуло управление 8-го гвардейского СК, перешедшее в ВДВ, и были расформированы 11, 83, 84-я гвардейские СД. (V.I. Feskov et al 2004, 77 regarding the 11th Guards Army). Buckshot06 (talk) 04:15, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is this all from the same paragraph/sentence, or two different excerpts (since you have them on separate lines)? They don't flow together at all. Here is the translation of the first part, but it would help to have the full context. As for the second part, I don't know what the abbreviations (СК, СД) stand for—can you clarify?
  • ...[it] only for a short time had the status of a Special Military Okrug in Kaliningrad and already in 1946 its war-time numerical designation was restored. By then its war-time composition...
—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 26, 2013; 15:37 (UTC)
There was a phase missing. Here is a longer extract, and I've been careful with the formatting, so you see how it's laid out. Gv OA = Guards Combined Arms Army; CK= Rifle Corps; CD = Rifle Division; MD= Mechanised Division.
10-я гвардейская краснознаменная общевойсковая армия (10 гв.ОА) после войны осталась в Прибалтике (Эстония), подчиняясь Ленинградскому округу и имея в составе 4 гвардейских СК. До начала 1950-х гг. числилась там же, имея в составе 1-ю пулеметно-артиллерийскую дивизию (она же морской пехоты), и гвардейские дивизии - 36-ю МД (бывшую 29-ю СД), 7, 8, 118,122-ю СД (некоторые из них стали бригадами).
11-я гвардейская краснознаменная общевойсковая армия (11 гв.ОА) совсем недолго пребывала в статусе Особого военного округа в Калининграде, и уже в 1946 г. ей был возвращен номер времен войны. К этому времени ее состав времен войны покинуло управление 8-го гвардейского СК, перешедшее в ВДВ, и были расформированы 11, 83, 84-я гвардейские СД. Произошли и другие изменения. В 1950-е гг. в ее составе числились 1-я ТД (бывший ТК) и все остальные гвардейские соединения - 2-й СК (3-я СД и 28-я МД), 16-й Кенигсбергский краснознаменный СК (1-я и 26-я СД, 29 МД) и 36-й Неманский краснознаменный СК (5-я и 16-я СД, 30 МД). В дальнейшем состав армии менялся незначительно, и весь послевоенный период в нее постоянно входили 40-я гвардейская ТД (бывший 2-й гвардейский КК, затем 28-я гвардейская МД) и 1-я танковые, 1-я и 26-я гвардейские МСД (бывшие СД).
Thanks and Merry Christmas Buckshot06 (talk) 20:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that's better. Here we go:
  • The 10th Guards Red Banner Combined Arms Army stayed in the Baltics (Estonia) after the war; it was subordinated to Leningrad Okrug and comprised four Guards Rifle Corps. It remained there until the 1950s, and comprised the 1st Machine Gun and Artillery Division (aka the Marines Division) and the following Guards Divisions: 36th Mechanized Division (former 29th Rifle Division), 7th, 8th, 118th, 122nd Rifle Divisions (some of which later became brigades).
  • The 11th Guard Red Banner Combined Arms Army only for a short time had the status of a Special Military Okrug in Kaliningrad and already in 1946 its war-time numerical designation was restored. By then, the 8th Guards Rifle Corps Command had been transferred to the Airborne Forces and the 11th, 83rd, 84th Guards Rifle Divisions had been disbanded. In the 1950s, it comprised the 1st Tank Division (former Tank Corps) and the following Guards units: 2nd Rifle Corps (3rd Rifle Division and 28th Mechanized Division), 16th Königsberg Red Banner Rifle Corps (1st and 26th Rifle Divisions, 29th Mechanized Division), and 36th Neman Red Banner Rifle Corps (5th and 16th Rifle Divisions, 30th Mechanized Divison). Since then, only slight changes would be made and the army would always include the 40th Guards Tank Division (former 2nd Guards KK(?) and later the 28th Guards Mechanized Division), 1st Tank, 1st and 26th Guards Mechanized Rifle Corps (former Rifle Divisions).
This still needs polishing up but I hope it helps nevertheless!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 26, 2013; 20:21 (UTC)

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Template:Cite Russian law

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Hello. Would it be possible to expand {{Cite Russian law}} with more amendment parameters (e.g. so that you could have both dates and publication dates for both the original law and the amendment; and URLs for both the original law and the amendment)? I recently used the template in a reference but had to fudge it a bit with e.g. the amendment URL. Also, the fact that the template doesn't currently have all logically possible parameters makes it IMO confusing, in a given instance of the template, as to whether e.g. ru_published_in refers to the original law or the amendment. Thanks! It Is Me Here t / c 14:34, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Thanks for your message.
Technically, yes, we can cram all sorts of things into that template, but the important question is, to what end? For Wikipedia citing purposes, the only important bits are the law's title and origination point (in original Russian, with English translation given as a convenience), where and when it was originally published, and how current the version being cited is (this is where the most recent amendment comes into play). A person to whom the actual text of the law is important should be able to locate it using just these pieces no problem. Plus, linking only the most recent amendment (which could be anything from a major update to a typo correction) is kind of pointless and overloads an already long citation unnecessarily—wouldn't you agree? Some of the laws have, literally, dozens of amendments—what use is in providing a link to just the most recent one? It's far more useful to link to the most recent edition and to indicate which amendment is the most recent, and this can already be done using existing parameters.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 17, 2013; 15:12 (UTC)
Well, it may be important because an amendment to a law may be more important/prominent than the law itself. In the example linked above, there has recently been a strong reaction to a recent Russian "law"[1][2][3] etc. banning what has been paraphrased "homosexual propaganda" (N.B. the existence of that redirect on Wikipedia, and the general expansion of LGBT rights in Russia to cover the legislation and subsequent fall-out). However, some digging reveals that the piece of June 2013 legislation that has caused this controversy is, in fact, amendment 135-FZ to an existing 2010 law bearing the number 436-FZ.
Now, I put it to you that the fact that 135-FZ is, in fact, an amendment is largely incidental; it is 135-FZ, and not the relatively anodyne 436-FZ, which has caused the controversy. So it is for this reason that I feel that there should at least be scope within the template for giving amendments greater prominence than their underlying laws, if it is felt appropriate (which, again, I argue it sometimes is). It Is Me Here t / c 16:07, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/08/politics/russia-antigay-activists/
  2. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22862210
  3. ^ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11151569
I see what you mean, but in cases when an amendment is more important than the law itself, why wouldn't you want to cite the amendment and not the law? This way the focus is precisely on what you need it to be, and the main law (with the most current amendment, which over time may not be the one you want focus on) can still be cited separately, if need be. I, for example, have been doing it precisely this way for inhabited localities which had been abolished not via a standalone legislative act but as an amendment to a registry of inhabited localities—I simply fill the amendment's attributes into the main parameters of the template and leave the "amendment" part out completely (unless there is an amendment to the amendment—which is not a common occasion but it happens).
This should get the job done without having to introduce a bunch of new parameters which may only be used on a handful of occasions, no? Some folks have been complaining that the citation this template produces is already too long as it is... Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 17, 2013; 16:18 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #89

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Веселых праздников!

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Желаю вам всего самого наилучшего в новом году! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you kindly! I hope the new year will be productive for you. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2014; 16:05 (UTC)
Good to see you back. I hope you had a refreshing break. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That I did :) Sadly, it's time to get to work now, but that's always a problem in January :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2014; 21:55 (UTC)
Sigh. Such is life. Within the first half hour of returning, the break turns into a vaporous dream and it's as if it had never happened :( --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:31, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

World city lists

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Would appreciate any input you can add to the discussion I've started at [20]. If you have any comments please post there. Thanks. Eldumpo (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does this affect any lists of Russian cities? I'm trying to not get involved with the inquiries not related to Russia since my to-do list is nearly unmanageable as it is. Sorry!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2014; 16:32 (UTC)

Congratulations! Happy New Year!

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Дорогой Ёжичка! Всего вам самого-самого радостного в наступающем году. Огромное спасибо за постоянную (многолетнюю) помощь и поддержку. И сбыта всех мечт! --Lawrentia (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Спасибо! Желаю вам тоже наиудачнейшего нового года!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); January 6, 2014; 16:40 (UTC)
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