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February 2010

Please stop spamming articles with what appears to be a recent Entertainment Weekly article. For most of the articles you've added it to, this "distinction" is of undue weight and completely without notability. This mass addition is inappropriate and I ask that you please stop. Thank you. DKqwerty (talk) 22:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the first rule of leaving feedback with a fellow editor is assume good faith. I have not "spammed" a single article...ever in my almost five years at Wikipedia. I have no desire to and I my contributions here are not motivated by my affiliation with any organization. Two, Entertainment Weekly regularly provides reviews of an entertainment nature, and their year-end lists are highly-regarded in the entertainment industry, along with those of other entertainment resources, such as Rolling Stone, the AFI, and Time magazine, just to name a few. If you do a simple search of "entertainment weekly", you will find that EW reviews are listed on thousands of articles here at Wikipedia. If you have read through the articles, also, you will find that many of the persons/movies/albums, etc... include a number of reviews, distinctions and "best-of" lists from a variety of sources. You will not be able to present me a single Wikipedia policy I have violated. Thus, your harsh words and commands were unfair and unwarranted.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 02:27, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WEIGHT: as I specified, for many or most of the articles, the review is simply not germane or important enough for inclusion. If half of the articles you spammed the EW article into included every "Best of" list they ranked within, the articles would be mostly reviews. Instead of determining which of the articles the EW piece was pertinent to, you simply added it to every single item mentioned within the piece; this is spamming, even if not to promote EW. You've simply assumed that this "distinction" is ubiquitously applicable to each article. DKqwerty (talk) 03:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially you have said I violated two policies, each of which I will address:

WP:SPAM: Using the link you provided, spam is defined as: "advertisements masquerading as articles and external link spamming." How many advertisements did I add? How many external links did I add? The answer to both is zero.
WP:WEIGHT: Using the link you provided, the policy reads, "Neutrality requires that the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each." EW is not only a reliable source for entertainment critics, but is used thousands of times here at Wikipedia and is one of the top 50 magazines of any topic in the nation. Almost all the articles have several reviews of varying opinions, and for the ones that don't, adding one sentence from a major entertainment magazine actually improves the critical representation in the article.

To be honest, I have no desire to argue, and I like a low wiki-stress level. But, when I leave inquiries as to the decisions of other contributors, I always try to use Wikipedia policy accurately, use language that assumes good faith and respect the editorial work of others as long as it doesn't violate that policy. I expect to be treated the same way. That has made my years as a Wikipedian and administrator much more enjoyable and contributes to the goal of the project.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 03:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we can debate this to the end of time, which I have no interest in doing. Yes, the spam policy applies to advertising, but the principle is similar: you've added content with no due consideration for its relative importance within each individual article. Perhaps "canvassing" would be a better term, but that too has a different meaning within Wikipedia. And the simple fact is that you could not have determined the relative weight, importance, or redundancy of such a inutile distinction; your only concern was adding each item within the EW article to its respective article, nothing more. And that's not how Wikipedia works. DKqwerty (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Augustine and Literature

I'm rather confused by the series of edits you made to the Erotic lactation article back in 2008 starting with this one, attributing information on lactation fetishism to the book Augustine and Literature. The words "lactating," "lactation," et al. appear nowhere in the book, which appears to be on a completely unrelated subject. Where exactly in the book did this information come from? Fran Rogers (talk) 09:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not even going to pretend to remember the details of edits I made two years ago, particularly to that article, which I only vaguely remember at best. But I would suggest looking on page 133 of whatever book was in that reference I cited, and then proceed as you wish. Happy editing!--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 17:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page 133 doesn't mention "adult nursing relationships," or nursing or lactation at all; nor does anywhere in the book. This is why I'm concerned, that it appears you falsely attributed information in this article to a source that says nothing on the subject... is this correct? Fran Rogers (talk) 18:57, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You asked me if I "falsely attributed information in this article to a source that says nothing on the subject"? Maybe. If you have any experience at all with references, you surely know its a very tedious business, and an occasional copy-and-paste error is likely. Wouldn't be my first mistake and certainly won't be my last. Are you accusing me of something more than that? If so, I suggest you seriously take a peek at my history of copy editing and adding reliable references to hundreds (if not thousands) of articles here at Wikipedia and then proceed with caution, particularly since I've already amiably encouraged you to fix the matter as you see fit.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 19:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your assertions made me return to the article. I listed the correct name in the body, but made the error of listing the wrong name in the citation. However, a simple check of the ISBN number I provided reveals that the information I cited was taken from the book "Body parts: critical explorations in corporeality", the paperback version of which came out 2006. Ecplore here (on page 133) here to answer any further inquiries you have.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 19:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ohh, I see. I was skeptical of a simple copy/paste error because of the direct mention of Augustine and Literature in the text, but I can clearly see now you probably pasted in the wrong reference and got the two mixed up, especially given the ISBN of the book you intended to cite being in there. I'm deeply sorry for the accusatory tone there; the amount of POV pushing that goes on in these fetish articles can make it hard to remember to assume good faith. You're doing good work; sorry about that. Fran Rogers (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These things happen. Glad it got resolved :) --Esprit15d • talk • contribs 19:53, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Appalachian Trail

Your should really thank User: Thirteen squared - he/she/it is the one who put down the tag and prompted me. I, also, have been annoyed by that wording for ages and somehow never got to it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Hey Esprit, Thanks for the Barnstar. It is a very kind gesture on your part. I am very happy to be working along side an editor like you, who values kindness and civility and is intent on making Wiki the best it can be. Well done, my friend!-- — Kbob • Talk • 20:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto what Keithbob said. :-) Nightscream (talk) 20:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

consensus

I set up a consensus section in the talk page for Battle Studies (album) to resolve a dispute. As u have edited this artice in the part, would u mind commenting? Dan56 (talk) 00:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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