User talk:Cavalryman/Archive 2020

Pariah dog

And for your post-Christmas advance: Pariah dog William Harristalk 20:01, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Haha, I have noticed him recently, I suspect it’s similar to Mountain dog only attributable to clickbait. I hope your day yesterday was enjoyable, I had hoped to be at the cricket today but circumstances have intervened. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 04:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC).

Its a "grasping at straws" type of article, created back in the day when there were some who believed that "dingo-like dogs" were widely spread and once ruled the planet. Its poorly referenced and needs to be put down. Yesterday was a fine day with extended family. I trust those intervening circumstances warranted you missing the match, but there will be other games (......both in the city, and here among the Wikipedia articles!  :-) William Harristalk 05:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

I suspect it was created in the early days because someone observed the UKC has a “Sighthound & pariah group” and assumed it’s a thing, I’ll do a little digging but at a cursory glance there’s little basis for it. Unfortunately the toddler brought a bug home from childcare and we came down with it on Boxing Day, fortunately it seems none of the extended family contracted it on Christmas Day. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 06:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC).

William Harris, I hope you don’t mind me moving this into a separate section.

If this article were retained from what I can tell it should actually be titled “Pye dog” not “Pariah”, but instead I think we should merge it somewhere, certainly most of should be culled (inhumanely), and only mention of something like “semi-feral/semi-domesticated dogs found predominantly throughout Asia” be merged. I can find a few passing references in some books (the best I could find was Richard Dawkins, The greatest show on Earth) and a number of tertiary sources: Chambers dictionary, Collins dictionary, Dictionary.com and Oxford dictionary (Merriam-Webster alone prefers “pariah”). The question is where to merge to. The best I can think of is one you have worked on, Free-ranging dog, what are your thoughts? Cavalryman (talk) 23:54, 29 December 2019 (UTC).

Another option would be Street dog#South Asia as the major sources state the pye or pariah is from South Asia. Cavalryman (talk) 01:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC).

The technology has failed us - I did not receive your ping above. I searched back through my calls or mentions, there is nothing! I trust you all survived the biohazard brought home.....

I thoroughly support the stubbing, however now all that exists is a definition to which WP:NOTDIC applies, therefore the article could be deleted. If any of the content were to be kept then the definition could be moved under Indian pariah dog for background information. The bigger issue is that the Steet dogs article could be merged into the Free ranging dogs article because where the free ranging dogs might be found is irrelevant - city, town, village, or hamlet. Or is Street dog simply a list pretending to be an article? William Harristalk 08:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

We have much work to do in 2020 - Dhandys Favorite Woodchuck I have been quietly working in the background, sorting out some of the Importance= issues across WikiProject Dogs. We have had categories and redirects classified as articles, and nebulous articles classified as Top importance when I have my doubts that the project has any interest at all, so I have reclassed those as Low for now. With nearly 3,900 articles there is further work to be done by me in 2020 as well, but there is no rush as these have been sitting like this for years. William Harristalk 11:41, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, hopefully the ping works this time. Apologies for the delayed response we went away for a few days, and yes we have all recovered thank you. I was surprised at the mentions available for pye-dog, prior to any merger to Indian pariah dog we should look at perhaps renaming that article to “Indian pye-dog”, a cursory scan at google seems to support this. I sometimes wonder if one editor’s poorly sourced Wikipedia contributions actually shapes global perceptions of these terms. The overlap between street dog and free ranging dog is incredible, there is a very strong argument for merger there. I agree there is a mountain of work to be done in this space, we should continue to chip away, as you say it has been this way for years. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 22:53, 8 January 2020 (UTC).

Welcome back from taking your family on manouevres, and yes the ping worked. Sorry for all of the edits that I have made under this topic but I kept thinking on this issue and changed my thoughts several times. I am convinced that what is written on Wikipedia shapes the world view, which is why what I believe to be agents of certain countries located in eastern and southern Asia try to dominate some critical areas. I concur with the move; it would appear that you and I are the only 2 editors with an interest in this article, as nobody else has chipped in their views. Then we can bring this matter to a conclusion; another article that should never have been commenced. William Harristalk 00:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, I have been dragging my heals on renaming Indian pariah dog for lack of sources, and from what I can see for India, unlike the rest of Asia, “pariah” seems to be correct. This source, which I found yesterday, and from what I read is considered one of the seminal works on Indian dog breeds, has a whole chapter in pariah dogs and explains the origins of the term as Indian. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 10:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC).

I concur. I am across the Indog project. Its membership is impressive - anyone who was an officer in the 11th Gurkha Rifles is reliable as far as I am concerned! William Harristalk 11:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Reversion of Bufla on German AFV template

I do not understand your reversion of my addition of the Bufla to the German AFV template. Your justification is that it was not an AFV. But it was a variant of the Sdkfz 8 haltrack, which was armored and is included in the same template as an AFV. It does not appear the armor was removed from the Sdkfz 8 to create the Bufla variant. Moreover, the German AFV template appears in the Bufla article. Should the Sdkfz 8 be removed from the template, too? Or should we put the Bufla back in the template? Mdnavman (talk) 03:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)mdnavman

Mdnavman, my apologies I was incorrect, I have reverted my edit. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 06:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC).

Maltese

Hello, I've just replied in the Maltese dog talk page, please read my message and comment, thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.64.182.255 (talk) 08:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to read your opinion about the information I've provided in the talk page, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.64.164.170 (talk)

Happy editing!

I trust that the recent editing has now come to a close. William Harristalk 09:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Haha, they certainly wanted our attention. Cavalryman (talk) 10:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC).

William Harris, having just said the above it now appears it is not yet closed. Cavalryman (talk) 10:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC).

Oh yes it is; he just does not know it yet. William Harristalk 11:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I stand corrected - its on! William Harristalk 10:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Haha, these days my eyes glaze over when I see a wall of text. My prediction is when the semi-protection expires he’ll try to reintroduce it, we will all take turns to revert him and before long he’ll be blocked, until then I have tuned out. Cavalryman (talk) 12:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC).

Patronage - that's topical. William Harristalk 01:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes it was the motivation, and hopefully it may make the problem disappear. I hadn’t really noticed it before but an FCI classification seems to me utterly irrelevant to me at the top of the infobox. Cavalryman (talk) 01:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

Mac has just realised that he has a tiger by the tail and, similar to the Red October, will "engage the silent drive!" You might be amused by the weirdness that hit my talk page at 7:20 this morning in the View History, much prior to a recent IP on another topic - we are through the looking glass now people!! I have no opinion on the patronage data as it is one for the breed aficionados, but I shall keep my eye on it. The template would not be hard to change. William Harristalk 04:25, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Haha I saw he was on the case, I know for personal experience once he’s on the scent there’s no shaking him, and policy usually backs him up. I just had a look at your page history, it’s an interesting way of bringing people to your point of view. Cavalryman (talk) 07:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

Mac was invited to attend on his talk page by our correspondent. For this type of personality it is never about the topic, it is about winning. If we hear no more then we will be lucky. William Harristalk 08:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, I see the ridiculousness of patronage was irresponsible to you. I have been having a little play with tables in one of my sandboxes, before continuing do you see value in further dividing the table? I’m unconvinced by the idea myself. Cavalryman (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

A bit late for you Melbournians to still be up, isn't it? I had a mull over patronage, had a look around, and decided to drop in some opening remarks (who knows, there may be no other comments and the coast is clear.....). I would not further subdivide the table, the reason being it is a standard format across Wikipedia, and additionally it adds no more than what is already there. William Harristalk 12:10, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, yes I probably turned in a little late last night. Cavalryman (talk) 22:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC).

Mac's talk page is instructive and the reason why the more learned brethren maintain a vow of silence..........William Harristalk 10:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

More to whet your appetite for 2020: Small Greek Domestic Dog (unsourced & AfD) Y, Oredog (GnG) Y, Water dog (should be a list?), Giant dog breed Y, Breed type (dog) Y, Seskar Seal Dog Y. William Harristalk 08:07, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I will have a look at them, thanks. I’ll wager the Maltese article hasn’t had this much quality attention in a decade, we may have a GA after you have all finished. I like what you’re done at rare breeds too. Cavalryman (talk) 11:44, 26 January 2020 (UTC).

I have a hit-list of dog articles with History=b.s. awaiting some work - Maltese was on the top of that list so the timing was right. Your tranche above was from a quick scan of the 3,000 dog articles whose importance I will need to be review shortly (it won't happen overnight, but it will happen). Then we can look at the project's To-Do list based on importance. I do not believe that this project has taken the "management approach" before - we are now working to a strategy. William Harristalk 21:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Importance

What is your opinion on the importance rating of these two articles: Origin of the domestic dog; Evolution of the wolf. William Harristalk 12:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, I think High, because they are “needed subtopics of "key" articles...needed to complement any general understanding of the field”. Cavalryman (talk) 12:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC).

Many thanks, I will drop in seeking your opinion on these as the odd ones come up - and they will. William Harristalk 08:09, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Riot dog - you'll love this. William Harristalk 10:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Gun dog - If we were to remove all of the text that is not referenced, what we are left with is a List, not an article. Hunting dog - as it stands now, this appears to be a list. Toy dog and Toy group appear to be the same article and both lists. Dog-baiting Y appears to be neither here nor there. Your thoughts, please? William Harristalk 02:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

FYI - we have Assistance dog and Service dog covering the same topic Y. William Harristalk 07:30, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, my pleasure, always happy to give a second opinion. There are a bunch of “dog functions” that are terribly sourced, I am still thinking through a tactic for Oredog, it’s a clear of PROMO but “prospecting dog” seems to have sources. It is also on my to do list to rewrite all of the gundog type articles (gundog, pointer, spaniel, retriever & water dog) but we should probably just strip them back for now. As for the last two, I will have a look now. Cavalryman (talk) 10:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC).

• An easy AfD with no references at all: Service Dogs of America Y
• This one is a dictionary word: Self colour Y
• Cur - WP:NOTDIC Y
• Labrador Husky Y - easy delete, no RS. William Harristalk 17:57, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Livestock guardians

Category:Livestock guardians has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. Wcconey (talk) 11:36, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Gaddi Kutta

You have visited this site recently, and this action looks dodgy to me. We had an article named Himalayan sheepdog Y with a pix that has been around since 2008, and someone has recently come along and blanked that article as a redirect to Gaddi Kutta Y without a pix, which has been around since 2007. No doubt a content folk, but methinks the English language common name should take precedence, this is the English speaking version of Wikipedia. Your thoughts? William Harristalk 09:05, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, my apologies for not responding earlier to any of your messages, I have just started a new job and it has been frantic. The sourcing for both pages is terrible but I have no doubt that these dogs exist, the type stretches from Portugal to Tibet with little local variations, I suppose it comes down to what the locals call them and then what local kennel clubs try to institutionalise as a unique breed. I will see if I can find anything notable for either name. If the picture is of one of these dogs under any of the names mentioned then it should be reintroduced. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2020 (UTC).

There is never a rush with these items - they have sat here untouched for the past 20 years! - so I do not expect your quick reply. I agree about the pix, and we go with whatever the most notable name is (you may be aware that there is currently some India/Pakistan/Afghanistan "nationalist editing incidents" going on). I am currently sifting through the last 1,000 importance=low dog articles. I have found already found about 150 recognised breeds of importance=low in need of reclassification to importance=mid. I have uncovered many recognised breeds that I did not know existed. The Gaddi Kutta, plus some others that I will deal with, have come to light as part of that process. Enjoy your new job! William Harristalk 23:25, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog - I note that it is already on your radar again. AfD again later this year perhaps. William Harristalk 08:19, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

I think if adopted, the guidelines in Wikipedia:Notability (breeds) would have seen the Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog AfD go the other way. I was contemplating a merger proposal later in the year but if we can get the guidelines established I may reintroduce it at AfD. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 09:10, 15 February 2020 (UTC).

Yes, I had better get back onto that.

Karelo-Finnish Laika is a content folk from the FCI-recognised Finnish Spitz. Y

Great Lakes wolf is a content folk from the Eastern wolf, and should be merged. Y

Oude Rode Ogen - possibly bogus article, refer Talk page. Y

Celtic Hounds - no refs at all.

Mahratta Greyhound - no refs. Y

Pandikona - no refs. Y

Segugio Cravin - no refs. Y

Vanjari Hound - no refs. Y

Torkuz - no refs. Y

Mucuchies - notability, as already raised on its Talk Page. Y

Leendert Saarloos - 2 sentences, merge with Saaloos wolfdog. Y

Xigou - 3 sentences, no RS. Y

Cena N641 - GNG, NOTNEWS.

Ovtcharka - no refs Russian language lesson posing as an article. Y

Sato (dog) - no RS Spanish language lesson posing as an article. Y

That's all folks! Over 3,000 articles now reviewed and reclassified where necessary. I will post some info on the Dogs Talk page shortly. William Harristalk 20:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: English Sheepdog. It is possibly best to leave those breeds recognised by at least one of the major kennel clubs alone, for now. There is now a "target-rich environment" with those 100 articles I recently listed on the WT:DOGS page. William Harristalk 08:31, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

I would normally agree, in this instance I stumbled upon the article and seeing it was grossly inaccurate I tried to find a couple of simple sources to fix it, without success. Two (no more) sources have been presented at AfD so I have withdrawn the nomination and completely rewritten the article. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 03:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC).

AfD closer to home:

Australian Staghound Y

Kangaroo Dog Y

William Harristalk 02:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy call: Alano Espanol now to Spanish bulldog. William Harristalk 05:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, thanks for the "drive-by" visit and comments. I am withdrawing from most of my wolf and dog related activities, and going to focus more on my main interest on Wikipedia: The origin of the domestic dog. Lots of new research around genetics/epigenetics/brain function. I shall also drop in on WikiProject Dogs from time to time to lend support to your rascally activities. SA is taking the virus seriously, and toilet paper is there for those who avail themselves at opening time at the supermarket. One thing stands clear - surgical masks and gloves must be manufactured in this country again as part of its national defence. The virus is a threat to our national interests and security. I hope all goes well for your missus with her health-related work; this is where quiet but true heroism is shown. William Harristalk 07:17, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, I am glad to hear you are keeping well over there, and that you will still be active in the subject area. I agree completely, there are a number of things that must definitely be made here from now on, perhaps this will be the catalyst to address other shortages such as fuel reserves. I suspect this will fundamentally change the world as a number of countries come to the same realisation. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 22:08, 4 April 2020 (UTC).

I have just finished reading the Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19). There were 25 officials from 25 countries involved in the outbreak from the beginning, including China, Russia, Germany, USA etc. Despite what was known back then in December/January, only some of those nation's governments took serious measures - both China and Russia being outstanding examples. William Harristalk 22:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, I agree the west collectively handled this terribly to begin with, I think we are now (touch wood) getting it broadly right, but the cost will be astronomical. The countries that seem to have done it well appear to be those that were hit by SARS, our inability to take anything from their hard learnt lessons is breathtaking. Cavalryman (talk) 01:08, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Got another one for you: Bay dog.

I have also found this most enlightening for tackling the dodgy websites: "Reliable sources may be published materials with a reliable publication process, authors who are regarded as authoritative in relation to the subject, or both. These qualifications should be demonstrable to other people." WP:REPUTABLE Basically, if the source cannot provide these two then it fails the reputable test under WP:RELIABLE. Happy hunting! William Harristalk 09:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, how is life over in Adelaide? I have seen bay dog before, I am aware of the term but the article is terribly sourced, will mill over it. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 13:55, 30 May 2020 (UTC).

Cavalryman and William Harris - I would like for us to finish User:Atsme/Canine notability and was hoping William will incorporate what he just said above about reputable & reliable. I have asked an admin if I should move it out of user space into Draft space using the name we will keep, which should be something like WP:Wikiproject Dogs/Reliable sources, and then later work on WP:N after the RS page is created. I was also thinking maybe we could do something like Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for our RS project?? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:20, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Cavalryman: keep up your excellent - and not well recognised - work in either deleting or finding references for the dog-related articles (in addition to your military commitments). I find myself visiting the smoking ruins of a dog article to find that the cavalry has struck it about 4 weeks earlier - deleting the nonsense, removing the barnacles, and adding its first reliable source!

Atsme: it is simply from WP:REPUTABLE that resides on the WP:RELIABLE page. I shall review your page once again and see what value I can add. In response to your query on my Talk page, I have reduced the number of articles that I have a strategic interest in down to - largely - the "Origin of the domestic dog". My dealings with wolves, and many of the dog articles, are over. William Harristalk 22:51, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, thank you very much, I am currently tackling the rats nest that is designer crossbreeds, the quality of sources used is something else entirely.

Atsme, I will do a refocus onto this as it would make most of what I’ve been doing in this space much easier. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 01:49, 31 May 2020 (UTC).

I am currently reviewing out disambig and redirect pages - how WP:Dogs got roped into some of these is a mystery, and I am slowly getting us out of it. (Example: "Beethovens 3rd" - under WP:DOGS but redirects to.....Beethoven's Symphony Number 3, nothing to do with the movie dog!) I have come across this little gem that needs to be addressed: Adjule. There is one zoo-crypto book of poor quality supporting it. Then, someone's OR decided to link it with the African wild dog, although there is nothing to support that, and then someone else later made it a redirect to AWD. It should probably be delinked from AWD - as nothing supports its linking there - and AFDed as an article on GNG grounds.

Also, the redirect Borador, Cavachon, Chion goes to List of dog crossbreeds, but it is not listed. It has no RS - similar process to the above. William Harristalk 07:39, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Good work on the disambig and redirect pages, you must be a sucker for punishment. I have removed mention of all crossbreeds from the list for which there are no sources, I suspect if they were presented at at RfD one of the sticklers will quote CC-BY-SA and GFDL licenses and demand they be maintained despite nothing attributable ever being merged into the list. I will go through the redirects for the list and attempt to remove any merged from tags.

Also I believe our Premier has kicked off a brouhaha with you lot over there, I have had several calls from SA friends telling me how serious the situation is. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 08:27, 19 June 2020 (UTC).

Politicians - where would we be without them? (Hmmmmmm.......) William Harristalk 09:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Crikey! The number of manga, TV, comic book dog character and medical redirects we have been lumbered with; now being addressed and badged as they should be (without WP:DOGS!). William Harristalk 22:52, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

We are much better off without them. Cavalryman (talk) 07:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC).

Redirects: 236→181 Disambig: 36→33 Every little bit helps. William Harristalk 08:17, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Patterdale terrier - derived from a Jack Russell, one source here says it is just a colour variant. William Harristalk 09:12, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

They’re a fell terrier descended from our old friend the Black and Tan Terrier (I need to finish him too), I have a couple of sources to do a rewrite. Cavalryman (talk) 09:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC).

Kunming wolfdog Y - the Lupo Italiano is exactly the same story re:GNG. Some fellow claims to have crossed an Italian wolf and a GSD back in the 1960s - no doubt for commercial purposes - and he has now passed away. DNA (Talenti 2018) shows there is no wolf in this dog. William Harristalk 00:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

There were a few funnies amongst the Chinese dogs, I have just proposed a merger of two of the three Shar Peis, I am tossing up what to do with the third (Bone-mouth), so far sources appear to be zero. Cavalryman (talk) 01:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

There is a Guzui village in the central area of Luochuan, I am pretty sure they did not name it "bone mouth". No RS - axe it!

On second thoughts: here A Google Scholar search on "Bone-mouth Shar Pei" turns up a dozen Chinese papers about the difference between these and the "meat-mouth" types. William Harristalk 12:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Old Croatian Sighthound Y - AfD for notability? The researchers who "discovered it" made up the name for it! The locals call it a greyhound! William Harristalk 10:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a reference in a Desmond Morris book, I will try to renovate it in time. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 12:14, 6 July 2020 (UTC).

And from India & Pakistan: Gull Terrier and Gull Dong - I believe this is the same dog under two articles. William Harristalk 09:52, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Levriero Italiano Y and Ameri-Indian Alaskan Husky Y - possible AfD. Miniature Dachshund - possible merge into Dachshund. William Harristalk 11:09, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Your new mate, Leo-Mk 2, has gone very quiet since your last comment to him. William Harristalk 01:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

I am a little surprised they’ve gone completely quiet, it was quite bizarre. I will have a look at these next week, we managed to escape Melbourne to our farm on Wednesday night, we have to return to lockdown tomorrow. Cavalryman (talk) 10:26, 11 July 2020 (UTC).

Pix of 2 Shar Pei removed - agreed, I was waiting to see what you would do! William Harristalk 12:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Haha, I was interrupted this afternoon from finishing the history section. What are your thoughts about two pictures in the infobox? The one you added and a meat mouth, will hopefully prevent some enthusiasts from reverting. Cavalryman (talk) 12:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC).

Never underestimate the lengths that some people will go to in building a little shrine on Wikipedia for their now-passed dog. If you are able to do that dual pix, I think that would be ideal. We basically have a "lean Asian" dog and an "obese USA" bred dog. William Harristalk 07:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, I thought I had replied already. Yes I agree they are both worthy of mention. I have found some non-RS stating the original FCI standard was for bone-mouth dogs and was amended after lobbying from breeders of US type dogs to the AKC standard, I am trying to find something reliable citing this. I have yet to summon the energy to look at the health section, everything I have seen reiterates that the meat-mouth type dogs are particularly unhealthy. Cavalryman (talk) 01:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC).

After a month's sabbatical, your ANI mate is back again; Doug got him sorted. William Harristalk 09:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

You might delete Category:Dog breeds originating in Malaysia at some stage as it consists only of the Telomian. Which is not a recognised breed. William Harristalk 12:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Mountain Feist Y

• Long dog Y - perhaps a future merger with sighthound

• Levriero Sardo - you are just going to love this one. Phoenicians, no less!

• Tobet - this may be a content fork from CASD, some of the wording is similar and they are linked. Y

• Uncle Chichi - easy AfD material.

• Bichon - Two options: Uncited so possible AfD, else this might be culled and converted into a list. Y

Armenian Gampr

William Harris, you beat by minutes with the Armenian Gampr, Desmond Morris says they’re a Caucasian Sheepdog. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 10:11, 7 September 2020 (UTC).

These all look fairly much like the descendents of a common ancestor. It will be hard to tell them apart, with each nationality adamant that theirs is different. We will need to wait and see what the gene sequencers tell us one day. William Harris (talk) 10:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I would be pleased if you also included the Morris reference, we need to reflect all the opinions plus it adds to notability. William Harris (talk) 07:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Can do but unsure it adds much, in the section on the Caucasian Shepherd Dog, actually titled Caucasian Mountain Dog, it says Also called the Caucasian Sheepdog or the Caucasian Ovcharka, this breed has many local names. Among its other titles are the Kawkasky Ovcharka, the Kavkazskaya Ovcharka, Kavkazskaya Ovcharka (in Russia), the Nagazi (in Georgia), the Gampr (in Armenia) ... Further I cannot find anything else on them. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 08:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC).

Agreed, we do not want to reactivate the "mountain dog" incident.William Harris (talk) 12:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Haha, I’m unworried about that, the quote establishes no notability of a type, just an occasionally used English translation of a breed name. Cavalryman (talk) 13:10, 10 September 2020 (UTC).

References

You may have noticed on the WPDOGS main page, under "These are the articles that have been edited the most within the last seven days", now includes a few such as Labrador Retriever with just 4 edits. These are now visible because "Wallace and Grommet" etc have been removed from the project and the patrol list. At last, members can now focus on what is important. William Harris (talk) 21:56, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

It’s a big improvement, thankfully there have been no objections. Cavalryman (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2020 (UTC).

They can take it to the Talk page, where they will be advised accordingly. You, Normal Ops, and I are in agreement on this, plus all of the WPDOGS members were given a woof! about it but had nothing to say. William Harris (talk) 09:33, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

March Madness 2020

G'day all, March Madness 2020 is about to get underway, and there is bling aplenty for those who want to get stuck into the backlog by way of tagging, assessing, updating, adding or improving resources and creating articles. If you haven't already signed up to participate, why not? The more the merrier! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 29 February 2020 (UTC) for the coord team

Shiloh Shepherd

Why on earth would you delete over 15,000 characters of genuine information on a breed that has been around for over 30 years! only to replace it with a SMALL misinformed paragraph of lies that says "they are a GSD mix" have you been living under a rock??? DNA testing from Embark, UC Davis and Betterbred will assure you shiloh's are a unique breed, genetically different from GSDs! DNA does not lie! Please leave the page alone if you are not informed on the development of the breed, or it's history. (Which you CLEARLY are NOT!) Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristina0z (talk · contribs) 02:03, 14 March 2020 (UTC).

Hello Kristina0z, the appropriate place to discuss article content is an article’s talk page, happy to continue the conversation there. Further, can I suggest you familiarise yourself with some of Wikipedia’s policies, particularly WP:Reliable sources. Cavalryman (talk) 06:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC).

Canine Barnstar

		The Canine Barnstar
		For completing over 50 mergers or deletions to the domestic dog–related articles. William Harristalk 22:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

1 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 14:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

note re your contributions to history topics, from WP:History

Hi. i noticed all your extensive work on historical topics, and also your membership in WP:MILHIST. I am the Lead Coordinator at WP:History; this WikiProject has been inactive for some time, but we are currently trying to get it to be active again. would you like to drop by our talk page periodically? We could use input from experienced editors like yourself. there are currently some open requests there from other editors for help with various editing tasks, and articles, so you can feel free to comment on any of those comments or requests if you wish. please feel free to stop by our WikiProject any time. and of course, if you wish, feel free to let me know any comments, feedback, ideas or suggestions you might have in regards to activating WP:History, or any other topic.

By the way, I came across your profile because I saw your vote at the RfA, and I wondered if your user name might signify some interest in historical topics. I am a cavalry buff and a British Army buff myself as well, even though I hail from the States, across the pond. thanks for all your contributions. cheers!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Sm8900, thank you very much for your kinds words. It is an admirable endeavour to reenergise a once great WikiProject, it would be a pleasure to join and lend my support from time to time. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 03:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC).

Please stop vandalising the Cavoodle page

I have tried to discuss this with you but you continue to vandalise the Cavoodle page. I have had to report your actions and please know that I do so to support the community. Vandalism can't be tolerated and you can't remove a page just because you don't agree with it. Thank you Leo — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeoRussoLeo (talk • contribs) 08:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

CM, I understand that you are trying to give a number of dog cross-breeds a place on Wikipedia (whether they are deserving of it or not), but your new "mate" has a point. I recommend that you put it formally through WP:DOGS, then you can remove the page because we don't agree with it. (The Project may decide to AfD it - possibly without listing on dog cross-breeds - then there will be no issue.) William Harristalk 03:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

William Harris, I am quite relaxed about this, I am just having a general cleanup. This above notice was nothing but an inept attempt at retaliation after I reported them to ANI for true vandalism, per WP:MERGEPROP boldly merging is encouraged, but once challenged should then be formalised. My feelings are of the designer crossbreeds Labradoodle is truely notable, Cockapoo is notable due to coverage in two very reputable sources, Goldendoodle has a couple of marginal sources and Cavoodle now not, so should be nominated for merger/deletion. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 19:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

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I have reported you for your recent edits and bullying tactics with regards to discussions in talk pages, closing them, stifling them, and requesting the help of an admin in doing so.

Landseer (dog)

Hello...

I have undid your "undo: of my corrections to the Landseer (dog) page.

The information you presented is simply incorrect.

The Landseer ECT and Landseer color form of the Newfoudland ARE two different breeds, yet you incorrectly state in your justification of the undo that "reliable sources" state they are the same breed. You are misinformed. If you want proof, simply look at the breed standards of the Newfoundland dog and the Landseer dog as referenced in the article. The Newfoundland dog standard clearly state that black and white is an acceptable color, and every Newfoundland dog book in the English speaking world refers to the black and white form as "Landseer", including the books referenced in the article. As my version of the article also clearly states, Landseer colored and black Newfoundland puppies regularly occur in the same litter, an obvious impossibility if the term didn't refer to different dog breeds ("https://webzoom.freewebs.com/blackwatchnewfoundlands/Willow/Willow Pierre Pups/Day 1.jpg" "https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/7c/9e/db7c9e4c467d19c2730a67c979f816b6.jpg"). The article also clearly describes the historical separation of the ECT Landseer from its Newfoundland dog base, with references.

There can be absolutely no doubt the term Landseer dog refers to both the European ECT Landseer and the Landseer color form of the Newfoundland. Also neither dog originates in Canada, as your edit insists. Newfoundland was not part of Canada until 1948, long after the modern Newfoundland breed was established. The modern breed was actually created from Newfoundland stock in England, then exported back to the North America. And the ECT Landseer was bred in Germany, not Canada. You would be hard pressed to find ANY Landseer ECTs in Canada, and the Canadian kennel club does not recognize the breed or allow ECT Landseers to be registered as Newfoundland dogs.

I see you are from Australia, and can assure you the term Landseer is used to describe the Landseer Newfoundland in Australia as well. Talk to an Australian breeder of Newfoundland dogs if you doubt this (for example https://newfys.com/sherlock.asp)

Thank you Grant Gussie — Preceding unsigned comment added by GTGussie (talk • contribs) 04:01, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Response at Talk:Landseer (dog)#Undid reversion by Cavalryman (2020-06-24). Cavalryman (talk) 14:33, 25 June 2020 (UTC).

Template query

Hello! You added the section Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs/Archive 12 § Merger proposal:Sato (dog). It uses a template, which as you can see, has a bug: it causes the next section heading to be indented, when section headings should usually not be on talk pages. Using the search function, I have not been able to find the template. What is its name? Best, Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 02:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Psiĥedelisto, to be honest I just copy and past previous merger notices for the project and replace the relevant fields, I copied what is written from {{Mergenote}}, so there is no template bug. I cannot see any indentation on my iPad screen, are you viewing it on a wide screen so the merger arrows are pushing the next section heading over? Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 10:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC).

@Cavalryman: There is indeed a bug, thank you. I have fixed it. Special:Diff/968432460/prev. Please be aware of this change in your copy. The bug does not appear on the mobile site. It also does not appear with Vector, the default PC skin, I just found out. It only appears with the classic PC skin, Help:Skins#MonoBook, which I'm still using. So, thanks for teaching me something new. All the best, Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) ^{please always ping!} 10:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Psiĥedelisto, I am happy to help although I feel anything I did was purely incidental, I am glad you found the issue. Thanks for teaching me about skins, before now I was only aware of mobile & desktop. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 11:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC).

July 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, you may be blocked from editing.

Please stop vandalizing & deleting genus, species breed & subspecies pages. Vandalism should not be tolerated and you should not remove a page just because you don't agree with it. Please stop mass page blanking & stop mass deleting entire article genres. Hello. Some of your recent genre changes have conflicted with our neutral point of view and/or verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you seek consensus for certain edits by discussing the matter on the article's talk page. Thank you. This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubhbairn (talk • contribs) 05:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dubhbairn (talk · contribs), thank you for your passive aggressive message. I suggest you familiarise yourself with WP:MERGEPROP before throwing around completely baseless accusations. Cavalryman (talk) 07:02, 23 July 2020 (UTC).

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Dubhbairn (talk) 07:18, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Dubhbairn (talk · contribs), I cannot find said discussion, please let me know when you have filed it. Cavalryman (talk) 07:51, 23 July 2020 (UTC).

Could you please just not delete, "page blank," or "radically edit" the Karelo-Finnish Laika page again. Please & thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubhbairn (talk • contribs) 09:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Dubhbairn (talk · contribs), given none of the sources currently used in the article meet Wikipedia’s standards I can almost guarantee there will be some radical edits. If you or I (or anyone) cannot find any WP:Reliable sources the only options available to us are to propose the article for deletion or merging. Cavalryman (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC).

The Karelo-Finnish Laika breed is a dying breed that is being merged with the Finnish Spitz by breeders in order to preserve the DNA of the Finnish Spitz. The need for a physical merging of the breeds is understandable, but please do not dishonour the Karelo-Finnish Laika by pretending it was NEVER a breed of its own. My Karelo-Finnish Laika passed away last year after we spent our lives together. He was very real & you could tell he and his Petrozavodskian relatives were noticeably different than Finnish Spitzes. One of the last of his kind. The least I can do for him now is honour the memory & the rather tragic history of his unique & rare breed.

http://www.laikabreeds.com/content/karelo-finnish-laika/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubhbairn (talk • contribs) 11:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Concerned about dog articles

I am very concerned that you are :Displaying WP:OWN behavior on dog related articles and Violating WP:INVOLVED by closing your own proposals on talk pages. (1, 2, 3 and many more.) Your editing at Mountain Dog is a good example of WP:OWN behavior. When your merger proposal ended with 4 against your proposal you closed it yourself and then turned the Mountain Dog article into a one sentence article. I am asking you to allow discussions without overwhelming the talk page with text and dismissals. Get consensus before name changing, or erasing 90% of articles. I am asking you to allow layout changes to the articles such as (a see also section). And regarding sources - there is room to discuss sources if you do not make yourself the final arbiter. Some reasonable sources are erased based solely on your opinions. In short, I am asking you to relax your control related to dog articles and stop closing "involved" proposals. As an editor, I am very concerned by the control you have exercised regarding Mountain Dog, and Ratonero Murciano. I hope that you take my advice here. fyi:William Harris is also !voting to support every one of your proposals and AfDs. Lightburst (talk) 18:57, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

I suggest you familiarise yourself with policy, particularly WP:MERGECLOSE before coming here and making completely baseless accusations. Cavalryman (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC).

It is pretty clearly stated in WP:MERGECLOSE if there is unanimous consent to merge. Admins are not needed and it is a basic rule of WP:INVOLVED There are many which you have closed that are not even close to being unanimous. like the one I listed merger. The bottom line is you are making yourself the one in control of these articles. And closing these discussions is against policy. I do not want to be at odds with you and I guess you can consider this advisory. We have guidelines and policies, and when one person owns the processes and the subject, the encyclopedia suffers and editors are discouraged. Lightburst (talk) 20:30, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Lightburst, you & I both joined the project around the same time and both have a similar number of edits. We have both created a number of pages, me approximately 30% more but I have created many more stubs than you. Conversely, the majority of your efforts have been spent contributing to project space (53.1%), me main space (51.8%), we also have contrasting block logs (I would not normally mention this but you have chosen to come to my TP) and you have received multiple warnings for COPYVIOs, me none.

Your accusations against William Harris are completely unwarranted, and frankly are a poor reflection on you. He has a far more illustrious editing record than either of us, he has significantly more contributions than both of us combined and has elevated a significant number of articles to GA and FA standard, and he has done so with a completely blemish free block log. He by no means !votes in support of every one of my proposals, and I will not give any more oxygen to this demeaning accusation by showing diffs.

You have now decided to defer a wikibreak to WP:FOLLOW me, casting baseless accusations here in the process, if you wish to report anything to ANI my record is here for all to review. The current discussion at ANI illustrates the low esteem some (by no means all) of your close on-wiki colleagues are held in, by many here on the project, and you seem to be following a similar path. You will note I have neither proposed any sanctions nor !voted for any sanctions at the current discussion, I believe Thirteen should get the hint, I hope they do, because it appears to me that general opinion across the project is hardening against their manner. You should take your time away to reflect on this.

I wish you all the best with your break, I am currently in full covid lockdown so there is little chance of me getting away for some time. Cavalryman (talk) 00:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Saving articles is hard work and some editors see it as a slight against their nomination. I certainly have my detractors, but if you look at my work you will see I am a good editor. I should remind you that we are all working for free, and you have been dismissive and condescending to long time editors who are here to improve. You actually said I was WP:NOTTHERE. Myself I would never say that about you. I have been trying to improve articles that you wanted deleted, and after they were saved, you gutted them saying all had to be removed, even layout imrpovements. Honestly I have been completely unable to go forward and you control every aspect of the talk pages and articles - even going so far as to close your own proposals (and you do not acknowledge that it is against our rules). For my part, I have no reason to follow you and I have not. Regarding your copyvio accusations...that is an interesting story..I had a block-quote in an article Christopher Kaelin, it was properly attributed, and several of those detractors you speak of, (one is indeffed since for a raging personal attack against me and others) kept removing the quote...it was one of my first articles and I was owning it-kind of like the way you are with the dog articles - so I reverted... Then the detractors called it copyvio, so I reported to an admin and asked him to put protection on the page. He instead blocked me immediately and said edit warring and "borderline copyvio". It was not in any way copyvio, but there I was - admins are not all created equal. Here is the blockquote, and you can see I am not even the one adding it in...it was multiple editors warring the quote. So I G7d my own article - but the detractors removed the G7, so I AfDd the article in disgust. So other than that...I am never accused of copyvio. My background is in education, and I have a Masters degree. So are you saying you will not give up total control of these dog articles - stop closing your own proposals and ultimately you will not work with me? I really hope that I can move forward and work with you on dog articles, since we have crossed paths on the project several times. Lightburst (talk) 00:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I forgot, the main space participation is low because I do loads of deletion sorting. Not because I am on talk pages and drama boards etc. Just wanted you to know I take no pleasure in being in the drama spaces. That is why I have come to your talk page. I think 7&6 is a fine editor, and I wish you two worked together, because his interests are many, but esp dogs and bicycles. Lightburst (talk) 00:53, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Lightburst, I made no accusations, just observations. And yes, I utterly reject me closing discussions is against MERGENOTE, me closing controversial merger discussions as merge would be, but closing such discussions as no consensus is not. I too once held Thirteen in high regard, my estimation of them has dropped significantly of late, for the reasons described at ANI. I do not believe you are a terrible editor and was probably a little harsh stating NOTHERE, but there was definitely some WP:GAMEsmanship going on, are you seriously suggesting this or this are anything other than equivocation? I have said to you repeatedly, if reliable sources are produced establishing a subject’s notability I will gladly withdraw the nomination, which occurred in this instance and has with a number of my previous nominations. I have recreated pages I have successfully nominated for deletion, for instance Perdigueiro Galego, it was an absolute COPYVIO mess which I took to AfD, later Justlettersandnumbers presented me with two sources and I recreated it.

Some of us are trying to work through a colossal backlog of dog articles that are in a terrible state, three of the most recent examples we have turned around are Africanis, which we took from a virtually unsourced start class train wreck to a tidy little C class article (which I hope to further expand), Bhotia dog, which I rescued from a redirect to another terrible page into a nice little start class (I am actively searching for more sources again), and Shar Pei, which had issues tags dating back to 2010 and when I summon the energy to rewrite the health section will be a tidy B class article. The purpose for my second comment at ANI was to point out that the games you and Thirteen sometimes play were detracting from these efforts.

I too hope to work constructively with you (and Thirteen) in the future, but to do so you need to drop the BATTLEGROUND take no prisoners approach and respond to very legitimate concerns others have with SOME of your contributions. My background is in the military, I have seen battle and personally taken many prisoners, I have also witnessed executions by foreign forces who would not take prisoners, I know which is the better approach. Cavalryman (talk) 05:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC).

Some appreciation

Greetings.

I am an editor whose primary interest is cats, but I have been watching what has been going on over at WP:Dogs, and I would like to share my appreciation and gratitude at you and other editors' willingness to wade through a ton of dog breed articles, delete the dubious ones, and improve the real ones. I only wish that I had that courage and skill to do the same for the cat breeds!

Additionally, your table that explains what articles should be of which importance category is excellently done, and makes a good deal of sense. And the fact that y'all are making a list of what sources are acceptable is admirable.

Keep up the good work.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

SilverTiger12, thank you very much for the kind words, alas cats (particularly domestic cat breeds) are a little outside my lane. I cannot take any credit for the importance table, that was all William Harris. The list is an ongoing work in progress, there is occasionally some resistance from some quarters.

I very much appreciate the good work of WP:Felids, some of my favourite articles on the project are many of the felidae pages, I have had the good fortune to work on a South African game park in my late teens and see many big cats (and some slightly smaller ones) up close in the wild. I have also heard a wild tiger roar when exercising with the military in Southeast Asia, we never saw him which is probably just as well as to see anything in that jungle means they are very close. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC).

Remind me to tell you about my tiger encounter in mountainous rainforest in the dead of night some time - the stuff of nightmares. The automatic did not give me any feeling of confidence in outcome. It reminds me of the William Blake poem and the line "Did he that made the lamb make thee?"

SilverTiger12, important changes we announce on the project Talk page and see what people think e.g. here. If they are supportive, then we have "the power of the pack" to get major changes done. You will find an ally in the remarkable cat-fancier User:SMcCandlish over on cats, who may be supportive of further felid development - certainly he will have some ideas on where it might go next. William Harristalk 22:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Haha, it sounds similar to my experience, middle of the night under my mozzie net and the whole jungle shook. I had the platoon’s only magazine of 20 live 5.56mm rounds for just this circumstance, it got attached to the rifle very quickly, one of my CPLs ordered his section to fix bayonets. In the morning we found some tracks in a stream about 50m from the harbour. Cavalryman (talk) 00:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC).

Fix bayonets, then stare into 3-level jungle canopy absolute darkness and hope that it just takes its night vision-enabled, silent-stalking, lightning-fast 200 kg of spring steel away to kill somewhere else! :-) William Harristalk 00:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@SilverTiger12: My best wild cat "war story" is running into a bobcat or lynx in the forest at night outside Albuquerque, going to Jemez hot springs. We were both startled, and the cat ran; I think the flashlight was too much to handle. Anyway, yeah WT:FELIDS is the place to coordinate working on the cat stuff. There's a lot to do. My no. 1 peeve about the breed articles is that most of them are repeating utter nonsense behavioral claims pulled from breeder promotional materials ("An unusually intelligent breed, likes climbing more than most, and is very good with children.") About 99.9% of such claims have zero science behind them whatsoever. They're just breed advertising. The no. 2 problem (same as with dogs, etc.) is claims that some local and allegedly distinct and identifiable landrace is a "breed", despite no breed organizations recognizing them as such, and the animals mostly free-breeding in a feral state, not being selectively bred. I did manage to tease apart Van cat (landrace) and Turkish Van (breed, mostly of British development, and commingled with Persians and Angoras early on, and established from Turkish cats from various regions, not just the Lake Van area).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Editor of the Week

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Two fellow editors have nominated User Cavalryman to be Editor of the Week. He has been working tirelessly in the background for 6 years improving the dog-related articles and only a few similarly-minded editors in WikiWorld realise it. He is a veteran editor dedicated to WP:WikiProject Dogs. A visit to various dog related pages and one can find Cavalryman hard at work. To quote Leibniz on Newton, "I know the lion by his paw"- unreferenced material removed, the first references to expert WP:RELIABLE & WP:SECONDARY sources provided, and discussion entered into with other users on the Talk pages of those articles in a mature, constructive, and WP:POL knowledgeable manner. He spends countless hours investing in the necessary research, adding reliable sources, copy editing and working collaboratively to improve the quality of Wikipedia's articles in general. A challenge to others from his User page: My contributions are usually to rectify information gaps I notice in Wikipedia (usually on obscure topics). I hope others will take up the baton and expand upon my meagre effort

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Cavalryman

Editor of the Week for the week beginning August 30,2020

A tireless worker improving the dog-related articles. Removes unreferenced material, provides expert WP:RELIABLE & WP:SECONDARY sources, and always engenders discussions in a mature, constructive, and WP:POL knowledgeable manner. Countless hours are spent by Cavalryman in the necessary research, the adding of reliable sources and copy editing, and participating in the clear collaborative effort to improve the overall quality of Wikipedia's articles.

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Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7 ☎ 15:20, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Buster7 thank you. Atsme and William Harris, thank you for very much for the very kind nomination. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 03:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC).

Congratulations Cavalryman, you deserve it. (And achieved it without upsetting too many of those "problem editors" as well.) William Harris (talk) 03:37, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Makes me - you earned it, my Wikifriend...we appreciate your tireless efforts and noble contributions!! ^Atsme _Talk 📧 05:25, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

And I insist that the User Box is displayed on your user page, so that when some of your adversaries - not mentioning any group of editors by name - are checking you out, they will know who and what they are dealing with! William Harris (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Later tonight I will create a banner for Cavalryman the will be proudly displayed on the main page at WP:WER and WP:Editor of the Week, Be safe, wear a Mask. ―Buster7 ☎ 02:04, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Buster7, thank you very much. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 05:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC).

Buster7 does nice work at WP:WER, and even managed to source a pix of your dog! William Harris (talk) 10:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations open

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Milhist coordinator election voting has commenced

G'day everyone, voting for the 2020 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2020. Thanks from the outgoing coord team, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Bichon

Good work! You noticed that I had skirted around that one on the "100 dogs" list. Best left for someone in possession of dog reference books! William Harris (talk) 11:29, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Haha, it's one I too have been putting off, a little outside my area of interest. I've almost finished but the question remains, is it a list or an article? All four books cited make reference to the breeds included as being of the bichon-type, but they give very little information about the type itself. Cavalryman (talk) 12:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC).

I did detect some reluctance from you as well. I am leaning towards a list - the article provides little else. That way its Importance=Low, we can tick it off the list, forget about it and focus on higher priorities. William Harris (talk) 12:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

The wolf stikes @ user Amerheb2018. William Harris (talk) 04:03, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

There is a possible third that has not been active for a few months and who I have my eye on. That is what wolves do: we watch, and we wait. William Harris (talk) 06:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Excellent work, I need to file one too. Cavalryman (talk) 08:09, 2 October 2020 (UTC).

List of dog crossbreeds - Puggle for your sights. William Harris (talk) 09:03, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

It’s one I’m quite familiar with, it’s not strong but I think there’s lower hanging fruit. Cavalryman (talk) 10:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC).

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running years

Hello Cavalryman, the years are passing faster and faster. Some days ago I noted that I was 25 when Back to the Future was released in cinemas; in the good old eighties ;-) I hope that you are well and send you warm greetings. Stay healthy and best regards. --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 20:55, 6 October 2020 (UTC) PS recently I made german version of William Cantelo, because his papers (presumably with construction plans) have been found in Mexican embassy archives.

Hello Ｔｏｍ, I hope you are safe and well. We here in the Australian state of Victoria have experienced the worst infection rates in the country so we have been in quite strict lockdown since July, personally I have been working from home since February. I did not get much shooting done this season, just a few rabbits and a lone fox, so the little pointer is getting a little bit fat!!! I am awaiting a permit to conduct a kangaroo cull, although I find culling then is not particularly sporting but a necessity due to the damage they cause to pastures. How is your big pudelpointer?

Personally I have been focused on cleaning up some of the dogs articles on English Wikipedia, we have quite a dedicated little band working through some of the backlog. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 22:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

OMG Victoria has "strict lockdown since July"? really? Long time ago I have been in Melbourne: 1992 I made my "4 weeks Australia" trip-stations: Sydney→Brisbane→Rockhampton→Mackay→Townsville, Darwin & Kakadu, Alice & Uluru, Broome→Karratha, Perth→Bunbury→Walepole→Albany→Esperance, Adelaide→Twelve Apostles→Melbourne→Snowy Mountains→Canberra→Sydney. Sooo much, I rembember only a few places. But I remember there is much more free area as we have in germany, and we had only partial/regional "semi-lockdowns". In March/April most shops were closed except those for daily needs. Nearly no dentists, nor hair cutting. Later the numbers here rose, when people returned from holiday-flights (and other silly actions). As you know I am living "far outside", only in mid-summer here were some crowds for swimming & enjoying the lake-water. For myself I filled up my storages the last days of February; some of the Noodles I could not eat till today ;-) My district is Waldeck-Frankenberg specially here in Heringhausen_(Diemelsee) we have very low corona-numbers. See this Dashborard in case you want more detailed infos about german situation. Hunting is quite down here, sole actions are possible, society-hunting is far down. Since some weeks we have first cases of African swine fever virus, believe me, you don't want to know more about it. My Pudelpointer went on his last trip, he is dead since 3/4 year. That hurts and now I don't want to do it again, it was my last dog. In WP I have not been very active, i mostly repaired dead weblinks across the board. The feeling in the WP-community has changed a bit. It is no longer as personal as we currently tend to be. That is exactly why I have now written a little more. Do well and stay healthy! --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 23:45, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Ｔｏｍ, I am very sorry to hear about your dog, I hope he passed peacefully. Yes it has been a very long time in lockdown (I believe it is now the longest in the world) there is some debate about the appropriateness of some the government's actions with some aspects before the courts. We had eliminated community transmission, the current infections are from returned travellers who were in quarantine and it escaped through the staff manning the quarantine. It is further complicated by the separation of powers between the state and federal governments and ambiguity about who is responsible for what. Haircuts are banned here too, I was due one in July so now am very overdue!!! There was quite a bit of frantic buying in February and March, for some reason everyone was buying toilet paper leading for national shortages.

That trip sounds amazing, you really covered some ground! I hope it stays relatively covid free for you, it seems Germany has a much more robust public health system then us. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 00:09, 7 October 2020 (UTC).

Laugh. You also had the "toilet-paper-hamster-problem"? Incredible! Do you know why so much toilet paper was needed? Solution: If one coughs, ten shit their pants. The lockdowns here were eased in May. Hygiene concepts in all thinkable variants. At the very end a hygiene solution for prostitution was found. But you don't want to know more about that either ;-) Forest dieback here is going on due to Bark beetle and climatechange since 2,5 years. (Report 2019 NRW-Monitoring 2020 Google Pictures) Actually nobody cares about it. The spruce trees have already died in large areas. The timber market has collapsed. A lot of wood was shipped to China in containers. The forest farmers and forest authorities said goodbye to spruce management. --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 00:50, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

BOAR PROTEC

Hello Cavalryman, I just wrote the new Article de:Hundeschutzweste. How is this thing[1] named in US/EN ??? Is here a similar article? Best --Ｔｏｍ (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ｔｏｍ, nice article, I’m not sure if there is a specific name in England, Wie boar became extinct in Britain in the a Middle Ages. Here in Australia a lot of people use dogs when hunting feral pigs, they call them breast plates, these are some examples I just found. I will have a more detailed look. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 21:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC).

Your GA nomination of Belgian Shepherd

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Your GA nomination of Belgian Shepherd

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Congratulations on your GA. You laid out the groundwork so well for me that the assessment was simple and straightforward. Given that the Belgian Shepherd is now a GA article, and that only the AKC sees the 4 varieties as "breeds", the time is right for moving the other 4 "articles" into redirects to the main one, where possible. William Harris (talk) 10:27, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I deliberately didn’t include any famous dogs as they are really the only thing justifying individual variety pages. I will probably look to nominate the less notable varieties soon. Cavalryman (talk) 10:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC).

In general regarding dog articles, I disagree with the inclusion of "famous" or "notable" dogs, because we are writing about the breed as a whole. However, some editors want them in so that is how it is. I took the liberty of editing your user page; I trust that you don't mind (tip-top right hand corner). William Harris (talk) 10:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I’m not a fan of popular culture sections, but am happy to link to Dicken Medalists. Thank you for the topicon. Cavalryman (talk) 11:23, 24 October 2020 (UTC).

Now that the article has achieved GA, you are entitled to run a Did You Know from it. William Harris (talk) 07:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Content fork

We appear to have 2 articles on the same dog - Anatolian Shepherd or Kangal Shepherd Dog. William Harris (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

The Turkish LGDs are some I am a little confused by, it appears there was a western notion and breed development in the west based on this and very different Turkish ideas and local dogs on the ground, it’s one I need to try to read into. Cavalryman (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC).

It would appear that they were once known as the Anatolian Shepherd dog in some Western clubs, but in 2018 the FCI (and its members) now regard it as the Kangal as per the Turkish club. William Harris (talk) 23:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Desmond Morris states there are three Turkish breeds of LGDs, the Akbash from western Turkey, the Kangal from central Turkey and the Kars dog (no Wiki page) from the eastern Caucasus region that is effectively a Caucasian Shepherd Dog on the Turkish side of the border.. He further states that the Anatolian is the result of indiscriminate breeding of all three in the US by breeders who assumed they were one, so according to him they are descended from the other three but distinct.

This kind if fits with kennel club recognition:

• the Turkish Kennel Club only recognises the Kangal which is also the only one recognised by the FCI (the Turkish Kennel Club is an FCI member)
• the AKC only recognises the Anatolian (not an FCI member)
• a pop vox of one other kennel club, the KC, shows they recognise both the Anatolian and the Kangal.

I will have a look at some other sources but I think we can amend the Anatolian page to reflect it's US involvement (and possible say it is a Turkish/American breed). Cavalryman (talk) 00:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC).

I have done a small rewrite to reflect the above. Cavalryman (talk) 02:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC).

Good description now. The sooner we bring the AKC under the FCI the better. They take a dog such as a staffie (example only), rebrand it as a "Freedom staffie", and think that they have created an American breed. DNA says it is still a staffie. William Harris (talk) 04:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Haha. It looks similar to the Labrador (completely bred in the UK but descended from dogs from and named after a region in Canada), the difference here is Turkey disown it and the US state it's not American. I think I have managed to reflect this although I am waiting for a fancier to show up and revert everything. Cavalryman (talk) 05:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC).

Regarding the Pyrenean Shepherd - apart from the nonsense sources of which one claims "this was the original dog of the Cro-Magnon people who painted the mountain cave at Lascaux 25,000 years ago" - there are two FCI recognised breeds with two standards. One is for the CHIEN DE BERGER DES PYRENEES A FACE RASE and the other is for the CHIEN DE BERGER DES PYRENEES A POIL LONG. One for the man with the texts! (A good haircut and trim for it would not go astray either.) William Harris (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2020 (UTC) Y

These are also puzzling: German Spitz, German Spitz Klein, German Spitz Mittel - as is the German Spitz FCI standard. Possible merger into one article. William Harris (talk) 07:31, 10 November 2020 (UTC) Y

This is a funny one, the FCI standard comes in three parts:

1. Keeshond (Wolfspitz)
2. German Spitz which comes in three sizes, Giant (Grossespitz), Medium (Mittelspitz) and Miniature (Kleinspitz)
3. Pomeranian (Zwergspitz)

Further it states all are German. The German Kennel Clud lists them all as one ([2]) and as far as I can tell the Dutch Kennel Club also tows the FCI line. Total five different breeds/variants.

Looking at a couple of reference books:

• both David Alderton and Desmond Morris talk about the Wolfspitz (aka Keeshond), four sizes of German Spitz (Grosse, Mittel, Klein & Zwerg) and then the Pomeranian separately. Total six breeds/varieties.
• Bruce Fogle has separate entries for the German Wolfspitz and the Keeshond (which he states is Dutch), then discusses the three German Spitz varieties (Grosse, Mittel & Klein) and the Pomeranian separately. Total different six breeds/variants.

I think in the short term we look to merge the Mittel and Klein articles into the German Spitz article, I suspect the Keeshond article and particularly the Pomeranian article would meet some stiff opposition but it may be worth the fight later. Cavalryman (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC).

I concur with your "diplomatic" course of action. William Harris (talk) 04:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

German Spitz: all wrapped up in a 9kb package. William Harris (talk) 06:22, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I think I could add to it in time but there’s not a great deal of information on them. Cavalryman (talk) 08:22, 12 November 2020 (UTC).

Your mate Sharky 1011 has now been adequately dealt with. William Harris (talk) 09:25, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Haha, it seems nearly every contribution he made was reverted by someone. Cavalryman (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2020 (UTC).

Not sure what is happening with Calupoh - wasn't it deleted? William Harris (talk) 09:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

It looks like it got recreated, Justlettersandnumbers has requested it be speedily deleted. Cavalryman (talk) 09:51, 17 November 2020 (UTC).

(talk page watcher) It was, but was then re-created a couple of weeks ago. I've nominated it for deletion as G4, we'll see how that goes (it's very similar, but not quite identical, to part of the previous version). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

I do a scan by eye over a list of our 500 breed articles regularly - that was a new one! William Harris (talk) 10:39, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers and William Harris, I see the speedy nomination of Calupoh has been opposed. Of the three sources cited:

• the FCM link appears to be broken and I cannot get their search function to find anything under any of the dog's names mentioned in the article
• the Hot video clip is in Spanish (and now appears to be broken), JLAN do you speak Spanish and if so is it an attributable source that meets SIGCOV (or is the link broken for you too)?
• the Yukatan Times article probable does pass as a reliable secondary source although it's hard reading, saying these dogs date from pre-Hispanic times but were discovered during an archaeological dig in 1999, instead of saying this is an attempt at recreating these dogs it repeatedly says that they have been rescued (presumably from extinction)

If the video clip cannot be verified then I will re-nominate at AfD as there is only a single, very confusing, source. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 23:20, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

References

Pointer

Hope all is well on your end. I've made a few copy edits to the article - stopped at the history section, and will resume tomorrow. I'm slow at this, so bear with me. I'll be tweaking here and there for the next 2 days, max. If you see any blaring errors, don't hesitate to fix them. Atsme 💬 📧 23:57, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, as always it is appreciated. Cavalryman (talk) 07:10, 18 November 2020 (UTC).

We may have an issue with the leading File:English pointer.jpg - it is CC-3 Non-Commercial, which is a restriction that WP does not like. William Harris (talk) 10:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

English Pointer in a field.

Atsme, thank you very much for your copyedits, I have made a couple of minor tweaks, tied in a couple of other sources and submitted the GAN. William Harris, somehow your message above escaped my notice, do you both think the infobox photo is an issue? It would be shame as it probably the best profile picture of a pointer on Commons. Cavalryman (talk) 22:30, 25 November 2020 (UTC).

You're quite welcome. I agree with William re:the photo. Apologies for not spending more time with the dog project. I've been on a short leash while crafting User:Atsme/ACE2020, and reading all the candidate info. Atsme 💬 📧 23:02, 25 November 2020 (UTC) See photo I just uploaded. 23:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I have placed it into the article. Cavalryman (talk) 23:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC).

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St. Bernard (dog)

I dont know how to provide proofs of my dog’s age. Kindly guide the citation method. I have the birth details. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.208.181 (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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Breed type

Hi, Cavalryman! I saw that you closed your merge proposal as no consensus, but I think there was consensus to merge breed type somewhere – mine was the only opposing voice, and that was only opposition to the merging elsewhere of breed standard, a page I often link to, and in my opinion a significant topic on which we should have a much better article. You'd have my support if you change your mind and go ahead with a merge of the breed type page. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, to be honest I had forgotten all about it, I had a glance over my merge log and saw it was still open. I don’t think anyone will miss breed type if we performed a bold merger somewhere, the two targets that spring to mind are breed and of course breed standard, what are your thoughts? Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 21:43, 7 December 2020 (UTC).

Well, to be honest, I don't think there's much to merge. Redirect to breed? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, bold redirect does the job, I see you have beaten me to it. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 22:14, 8 December 2020 (UTC).

In the end, I felt that I could more easily cover the concept with a short sentence at breed standard. However, some of what I've written there is unsourced, based only on my own (sadly limited) knowledge; if you know of any source that might support what I've written, do please add it. That's a page that would benefit from some considerable attention. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I will have a look to see what I can find, it’s a little outside my lane also. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 11:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC).

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Welsh Terrier longest living welsh terrier

Hello, We had discovered that our welsh terrier Jack has outlived the dog listed (Monkey Fein) which also did not have a citation. We updated the info with our dog and it has been deleted twice. We are new to Wikipedia, please help us understand what we need to do to allow our addition/edit.

Thank you, Spilledmybeans Spilledmybeans (talk) 21:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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Kangal Shepherd Dog

It is now time to action this one. William Harris (talk) 20:21, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I missed your message on the talk page, I agree, will do it now. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 21:27, 20 December 2020 (UTC).

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Atsme, thank you very much. I hope you’ve had a good Christmas over there and 2021 sees the world return to normality. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 08:25, 26 December 2020 (UTC).

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