User talk:Alansohn/Archive 4

Dover Township edit

Thanks Alan, someone vandalized Dover Township history and just wrote "Dover Township no longer exists". It is appalling when random people vandalize and getting their facts wrong.

I found a page online that said how the official renaming works after it has been approved. But, I can't find the page anymore and I will continue to search for it again. Supposedly the official results are to be read at the next council meeting and then it becomes official, thus the November 14. Here's one source but not the same source I am talking about: http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006611070390

Guilbert & Betelle edit

This is admittedly a minor issue, but "Guilbert & Betelle" (with the ampersand) is the correct spelling of the firm name, as opposed to "Guilbert and Betelle" as you have been editing; this is corroborated with contemporary ads, magazine articles and their own letterhead. I'd like your thoughts before I go around correcting it.

Order by alpha

Hi Alan. I've decided to reorder the list of notables on the Alpine page. For individuals listed with a fist and last name, they are ordered alphabetically by last name, and with individuals listed with a pseudonym, they are ordered alphabetically by the first letter of their pseudonyms. (I don't think it made sense for "Jay-Z" to be last, as that is not his first/last name). AlistairJQ 23:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I went ahead and did the re-order. AlistairJQ 00:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Augustinian edits

Alansohn - while I understand the virtue of brevity - and indeed how wikipedia expedites this, I don't agree with the removal of fellow schools on the page St. Augustine College Preparatory School. Your hyperlink to the North American foundation is good, and so is the hyperlink to Augustine (though tempted, I haven't reverted these, even though my preference is for fuller information). The building up of the Augustinian schools will probably be assisted by the tempter of seeing how others have done it. I have watched over the months how this has happened and people have modelled their Augustinian school pages on each other. The order is international. The schools belong to an international movement - and I am keen to see them build their sites. Please leave the interschool links. By the way - are you a former student? I went to the Sydney school of the Augustinians. Cor Unum 11:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

References vs. sources

Hi Alan, I just noticed you added a References and Sources sections to one of the articles on my watchlist...my question is, what's the difference between those two article sections? I remember recently specifically combining them into a single Refs section because I thought they essentially served the same purpose. Thanks for the clarification. lensovet 03:09, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: County Route 551 (New Jersey)

Thanks for your help with the State/County Route WP. Getting it fully off the ground will be hard work. It's kind of hard to divvy up work when we presently only have 3 participants formally listed. Honestly, for now, I say just be bold and do whatever you can!

On an unrelated note, you might want to take a look at this bugzilla report, as I've noticed that some of your edits have a tendency to accidentally blank out the bottom of articles (including your comment on my talk page). -- Northenglish (talk) -- 03:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Spring Valley (Metro-North station)

lol, sure thing, no problem. Now that I have your attention, can you tell me the diff between "References" and "Sources" sections ;)? lensovet 03:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

US 1/9

I considered this when I made it (and I think I made all the redirects). Signs typically say 1-9 or 1&9 but NJDOT tends to use 1/9 on their website. --SPUI (T - C) 21:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism

Hi Alan: Please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism, one of the largest forums for discussions between editors of Jewish articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism#Directory of participants and join or commence discussions at the talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. Thanks for considering this. IZAK 07:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Archive your page

It's time for you archive your page since its way over the suggested 30k of official pages on Wikipedia. You can do so by placing

Archives: 1; 2; 3; 4;

at the top of your page (cut and paste) and then copy and cut and paste pages from this talk page of yours one chunk of about 30-40k at a time onto each new archive page. You can copy from the pages here by holding down the left click button on your mouse to get a "blue page" then right click "copy" and then "paste" that to the new arvhive pages. See more at Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. Best wishes, IZAK 07:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Princeton, New Jersey

Isee you have been encouraging the campaign against this piece of common usage. This distinction is all very well; but this edit which uncivilly incorporates it in the first line of an article of worldwide interest is excessive. Please encourage restraint. Septentrionalis 23:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Cranbury School

User:DG listed Cranbury school on AFD. WhisperToMe 01:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Miami Subs Grill

Thanks! You rule! - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, but I've had this thing on watchlist for months and couldn't muster up the courage to do what you've done. Not only is it treyf, I've never even seen one, to be honest. Actually, my work here has degenerated a lot into mindless non-constructive sysoppery and general wikignommery. I dislike being that way... - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, you really ought to join us at WP:ORBCW. We do good things there - most of the time. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Robert Menendez

This article is becoming a hatchet job, and you are not helping. Please review the Talk page at the Robert Menendez article and weigh in. Abe Froman 15:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeshivah of Flatbush

I just posted on Jayjg's talk page, requesting that he re-protect the article. I would have thought that the vandal would have forgotten about this business already. --DLand^TALK 22:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Question about Route 33 Business

Greetings, and thanks for all your help with NJ State Route WikiProject. I'm curious as to your decision to create a separate article for Route 33 Business. Is there anything you plan on adding there that can't be added to a section in the main Route 33 article? -- NORTH ^talk 00:36, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing my crappy citation formats and for making the article sound more encyclopedia-like in the Bayside, Queens article. You rock. Drenched 01:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Help on Template

Template:NYC Bridge I screwed up a space somewhere, can you look at the code and see where I went wrong? I was harmonizining it with the Borough templates and the Islands template.

Thanks

I also did up a template for Warren County, too. Now how do I join? Cabled Substitution 02:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I did join and I now did up Monmouth County, too. If you could double check it, that would be great. Thanks again! Cabled Substitution 05:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Jun Choi

Hi, I don't know who 63.210.10.x is, but he took out the union support references in the Jun Choi article again. And he keeps deleting my paragraph about the "Jersey Guys" controversey. Is there anything that can be done besides constant reversions? Thanks. Wl219 06:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Toms River, New Jersey

Hi there! You reverted my link disambiguation to the above page. I'm assuming that it just got swept up with reverting of another edit. If not, please tell me. -- Ch'marr 17:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The edit was this one, but sounds like the revert was inadvertant, and I've already put the change back in again, so... we're cool. Thanks! -- Ch'marr 20:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Google Toolbar

Yep, it's a pain sometimes... I'd recommend after any edit, it's always wise to hit the history tab again and pull up your last diffs. It saves the embarassment of the Google Toolbar bug, or even lets you find bugs in the WP code itself, like I did. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 13:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Route 3

Turnpike: It doesn't really help the reader much to know that it crosses the Turnpike twice - this can easily be written in text.

US 1: Route 1 should go back to US 1 - I'll add that now. --SPUI (T - C) 18:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Education

I would like to thank you for your effort in saving articles concernig New Jersey, especially about schools. Even more especially about Franklin Elementary School. Being from the town, and being an alum of the school, I know that the town of WEstfield would like to it to have it's own article. It's good to have someone fighting for them. Mikeeilbacher 00:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brighouse Elementary School

Hi Alansohn, since you participate in editing a lot of articles about schools, I thought you might be interested in this discussion. Personally, I don't think an article on every school in the world is needed, but I strongly feel that AfD is not the place to make a change in policy. Regards, Accurizer 14:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Sweeney & Moriarty Edits

Alan, thank you very much for improving my contributions to these two articles by wikifying them, adding links, etc. I appreciate your careful editing and affording me the opportunity to learn how to do a more professional job.

I had one suggestion for you regarding an edit you made yesterday to the Sweeney article, however. It was not an edit to an addition of mine but someone else's, regarding an apparent Gloucester County policy of paying county workers during a shutdown. The original added text was hard to follow and needed editing, but the final result does not appear to be what you intended. It would be great if you could take another look at it when you get a chance. Thanks. (Comment added July 31, 2006). Rblaster 02:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey browse

In this edit you used 3 and 5 rather than S3 and 4A. Can you please describe your reasoning at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Jersey State and County Routes? --SPUI (T - C) 04:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Final state highway naming conventions debate

Alansohn, your participation is welcome in the Wikipedia:State route naming conventions poll. Please give your input as to the process by 23:59 UTC on August 8.

Regards, Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 22:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

THIS IS THE NOTICE RIGHT HERE

Richard S. Dennison Jr.

Since you did some editing work on this article, I thought you might like to know that I just proposed it for deletion. --Brianyoumans 03:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

CR 519

Do you believe it is worth making a County Route 519 article? Personally, I don't think so.

KevinJ 16:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)KevinJ

Good job. Simple and to the point with the CR 519 article, but do you think it is worth it?

Thanks, KevinJ 01:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)KevinJ

Atlantic County Freeholder AfD's

Hi Alansohn. I read the discussion, and I was thinking about how to handle it. On its surface, the WP:BIO guideline seems to support delete. However, there is also a proposed guideline, Wikipedia:Candidates and elections, which seems to go beyond the current WP:BIO guideline. It states, "As a compromise between those who would keep all candidate articles and those who would delete all articles on yet-unelected candidates, this guideline states that articles on elections should be written before articles on individual candidates. Only if and when there is enough independent, verifiable information to write a non-stub article on a candidate should one be written." Well, if an article can be written about a candidate that satisfies these criteria, then surely by extension, an article can be written about the election winner, i.e., officeholder/incumbent. Although the proposed guideline seems to contemplate state-level elections, given the examples that are provided, the policy is still open to discussion and could be extended to county-level elections. Generally, I have an aversion to deleting articles in the absence of a clear policy or guideline, so I'm leaning towards keep pending resolution of the proposed guideline. Accurizer 19:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You've raised another pertinent point; the fact that an article is part of a WikiProject should count for something in borderline cases such as this. I'll be voting shortly. Accurizer 20:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You welcome Alansohn. I'm here for the project whenever i can help out. take care and keep up the good work yourself. --ZeWrestler ^Talk 13:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

List of shopping malls in New Jersey

Hi Alansohn, I just ran accross this {{prod}}. I've noticed that most of the mall list articles have been deleted at AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States shopping malls by state 2. I note, however, that you are expanding the article to include history, which makes it more than simply a list. If you want to save it, perhaps this should be moved to Shopping malls in New Jersey so that it stands a chance of escaping the scrap heap? Accurizer 21:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Not a problem. You keep up the good work too. -- NORTH ^talk 02:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Reality TV Contestants

Alan, I've started a discussion section on the Deletion Policy page regarding reality television contestants. My main point is this: the ABC.com homepage does a perfectly fine job of sorting out who is a contestant on Survivor, and their background. Jimmy Wales stated we should focus on quality, not quantity. What is it that these entries give to the internet that is not already covered by their homepages for the game shows?

Would you mind weighing in with an opinion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy#Reality_Telvision_Contestants

Sussex County notables

In reply to your comment on my talk page...

• The reason i chose to do it on the county level rather than the municipalities is that as you may know, new jersey's municipal boundaries have a history all their own...for instance, if someone were say born in 1753 in Newton, NJ (That is Newton Township) when Sussex County was formed, they could be born in practically two-thirds the current county...which would be modern day, Andover borough, Andover Township, Branchville Twp, Byram Twp, Frankford Twp, Franklin Twp, Fredon Twp, Green Twp, Hampton Twp, Hardyston Twp, Hopatcong Borough, Lafayette Twp, Montague Twp, Newton town, Ogdensburg borough, Sparta Twp, Sussex Borough, and Wantage Township. And the municipal lines are redrawn every few years (the last that i know was in 1996). Setting it up by municipality could be deceiving. I don't know about putting such lists on county sites, but practically every university has a list of notable (and some not-so-notable) alumni. I used that as an example. I think as far as municipalities go, there should be lists of notable people for major cities and towns, but for each and every one of New Jersey's 566 municipalities...it could, given the historical oscillations of boundaries, be confusing and demand too much research. —ExplorerCDT 03:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Correction, Montague Township wasn't part of Newton Township (1751-1864), it was split off from Walpack Township (which had the other 1/3 of the present-day area of Sussex County in 1753) in 1759. Sandyston was split off in 1762, and Pahaquarry in Warren County in 1824. —ExplorerCDT 03:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Sending/receiving relationship

After renaming the article, I've started working on the articles that link to the article and I continue to work on it, making them avoid a redirect. -- SNIyer12, 12:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I've completed all the articles that link to the article to avoid redirects. -- SNIyer12, 02:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Holy...

Sorry, but that was my immediate reaction when I saw the infobox that you had added to Route 35. The major junctions section is for major junctions, that's why it's called that. Just, you know, for future reference. -- NORTH ^talk 18:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

No, there's no quotable policy on any project that I've seen except for New York -- which includes junctions only with U.S. and Interstate routes, as well as limited access state routes. Frankly, I'm not sure that's going to work for us, as that would leave a great many routes with approximately 0 junctions.

The guideline that I and SPUI have been working on is to cap the junction list at 10 (I actually kept I think 12 on Route 35) and just use common sense to determine which 10 are the most major. -- NORTH ^talk 19:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not looking forward to trying to develop an actual policy on the major junctions, mainly because I don't think we can neatly divide them into three neat categories as you suggested. It doesn't seem fair to put a sixty-mile highway like Route 47 into the same category as something like Route 12 that doesn't intersect any other state routes except at its termini. IMHO, the only way to determine whether a junction is major is according to the scope of that specific highway. For instance, CR 537 is listed as a major junction on I-195 as it should be (b/c of Six Flags) but is not on Route 33 (b/c it's superfluous to the other junctions in Freehold).

As for routes like 11, 14, and 18N on the master list, they are listed because that was the compromise we came to on WT:NJSCR, and you would have a hard time convincing SPUI to remove them. Basically, every article is covered in the master list, but redirects are not. -- NORTH ^talk 20:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, the only time (I believe) I revert regarding inclusion of minor junctions is when Nextbarker (talk · contribs) or 24.228.70.72 (talk · contribs) is involved, as they have a history of making random edits to highway pages -- changing shield image dimensions from 100px to 99px or 111px, adding junctions like NJ 29 to the main US 1 list -- and on the rare occasions they do actually add a major junction to the list, it's not formatted properly.

Am I mean? Perhaps, but it's all I can think of to do, and I'm not the only one guilty of reverting them. -- NORTH ^talk 20:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Good, glad you didn't necessarily think I was mean. I just really don't think a policy would work in this situation, however. It's not something that we could define in such a cut and dry manner.

And my apologies for not being clear on the issue of the master list. It's not that I'm afraid of SPUI. It's that we had a discussion on the project talk page, and this was the compromise we reached. If you are unhappy with the compromise, you are more than welcome to reopen the discussion, but I doubt things would work out in a significantly different fashion. -- NORTH ^talk 20:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

But they have been settled. -- NORTH ^talk 22:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

To expand on my previous comment, the current master list is already the result of people on WP:NJSCR working together. A compromise was proposed, agreed upon, and implemented; and because of that process, we now have stability regarding the browsing order, and joined California as I believe the only states with articles on every route linked together in a closed loop. -- NORTH ^talk 23:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

LIRR articles

Thanks for your support for my creation of the LIRR branch pages. Info from the LIRR main article still needs to be transferred to those pages. If I have time this week I will do that. Of course, you're welcome to do the merging if you wish. Once again, a belated thank you. Tinlinkin 07:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

You were right, I was wrong. I'd like to delegate to you the task of leading a discussion trying to determine some guidelines as to what is a major junction because we NEED those guidelines. I'm happy to participate, but refuse to lead, since my method is clearly not getting through to other participants. -- NORTH ^talk 20:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

While I disagree with them, Polaron and TwinsMetsFan seem to have a vested interest. Anyone else interested can just come across it by chance. I'd do it just as a subsection of the talk page; if you do want to do it as a subpage, make sure you post a link at WT:NJSCR as well. -- NORTH ^talk 21:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Does NJ 21 insect with Route 1/9 and if so, is it considered major, cause I added a NJ 21 shield in the US 22 info box, not too sure.

Nextbarker 23:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Dan

apology

I'm sorry about all the trouble I've been causing in the infobox on most pages, I just get confused, I have so many questions about major intersections that I'm not too sure of, Alansohn,

Nextbarker 04:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Dan

I just get so confused by intersections in NJ there so major, I don't know where to begin, I'm trying to help, I just *crying* make the same errors.

Israel bilateral relations

Hi, I could use some support in opposing merging Israel-Venezuela relations into (nothingness) Foreign policy of Hugo Chávez. Anything you can add to Israel-Venezuela relations, Israel-New Zealand relations, and Israel-Japan relations would be very appreciated. Respectfully, Republitarian 18:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Baruch Goldstein

Well, considering that he was a member of two anti-Arab designated terrorist organizations (Kach and Jewish Defence League) and that he massacred 29 Arab civilians, putting him in category:Terrorists is just common sense. Also it's widely considered an act of terror, even amongst Israelis: [1]

Outside of the far-right fringe that he was a part of, Baruch Goldstein was roundly condemned by Israelis as a terrorist who had killed innocent people, and who had acted in blatant contravention to the principles and ethics of the Jewish state and the Jewish people. Three days later, the Knesset voted overwhelmingly to condemn the Hevron massacre. Then, two weeks later, the Kach and Kahane Chai movements were outlawed. In a 2001 Truman Institute Israeli/Palestinian Arab Joint Opinion Poll, a full three-quarters of Israeli Jews surveyed defined Goldstein's mass murder attack as an act of terror.1.

Deuterium 02:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

It's pretty obvious what Goldstein's plan was, considering that the attack was part of Kach's campaign to terrorize the Arab population and halt the peace process. This quote from Cave of the Patriarchs massacre makes it clear the attack was part of a plan: 'However, immediately after the attack, Mike Guzofsky, spokesman for Kahane Chai in New York and a close friend of Goldstein said, "He wanted to stop the peace process dead. He couldn't have picked a better day – Purim, when Jews fight back."'

I find it extraordinary that I'm having to argue that Goldstein was a terrorist; he slaughtered 29 civilians in cold blood! Would you argue that a Palestinian suicide bomber can't be designated as a terrorist unless we are 100% sure they had a plan to do so? Deuterium 01:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Cresskill

Hello, did you say you needed a source for Halim El-Dabh's residence in Cresskill? It's found in his published biography by Denise A. Seachrist, p. 95. Let me know if you need any more information. Badagnani 21:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Stuart Rabner

Hey Alan! Stuart Rabner, the presumptive Attorney General - what is he, frum?? [2] Do you have the down low? (You always have the down low). - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

How'd I do witb the shields in the exit list?

WikiProject New Jersey

Hello! I'd be happy to join WikiProject New Jersey, seeing as I live in New Jersey. I'd also be happy to supply any article with pictures (at least any in my area). Thank you! :) Marikun 03:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Please read the poll more carefully

You need to follow Principle I in your proposals. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a new proposed naming convention principle that 96% of states (including NJ) must use <state> <road type> xx that supercedes WP:NJSCR. Please change your proposal. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You and the other members of WP:NJSCR were invited to take part- I see the notice was on your talk page. We decided upon the format above, and 96% of all states need to compy. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 02:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You are standing in the way of a process that has been fully endorsed by the Arbitration Committee. I would suggest that you not do so. I placed the invitation right on your talk page- I will point it out above in bold lettering. And I am fully ready to debate you on the status of New Jersey in the grand scheme of WP:USRD. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Please take your whining to Wikipedia talk:State route naming conventions poll or WP:ANI. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 00:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Let's please get through this together. We now have most of the users cooperating through an agreement that this is not a binding decision and could be later revised, but this needs to be done now before more editors quit in haste, and also as per ArbCom's ruling. I don't want to know, nor get involved in all the gander that's going on, so that's going to be it for me. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 04:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Manhattan

Thanks so much! That will be great preparation on our way to getting Manhattan a Good Article. Judgesurreal777 16:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Your list IS worthwhile despite some deletionsists' point of view

The list (malls in NJ) you created is/was up for deletion. I want you to know there is a place for it: http://wikitistics.com . No one will be able to nominate it for deletion because it fits one simple rule: it's a statistic, list, or figure. Good luck with your endeavors!Joe 02:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry, I got to skipping over the edit summary. I forgot how important it is.

Thanks for the reminder. Ponsonby 14:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Seicer

There was no intention of referring to you as a "stooge." I can't find any reference to that, and it should not be implied. That said...

I'm tired of the whole process, of the bickering. I voted for Principle I, not Principle III, for reasons cited within the initial discussion. My mind was made up long ago, and I am not going to back down - and neither are those that voted for that principle - because we have moved onto Part II.

If you were so inclined long ago to do so, you would have added in your contributions to Part I discussion, so that perhaps more could have been swayed towards that for Part II. You did not, however, and as a result, it was not included in for discussion on Part II.

What SPUI did was question the fact that the admins and the majority voted for Principle I in Part I. He tried to disrupt the process, and has clogged up the discussion for more relevant comments. Now he has unleashed more of the same, this time by dragging in others that he has requested from the NJ roads project (no offense to you). But this is too late, in that the time has passed for discussion on the various Principles.

Let's move on for once. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 19:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: WT:SRNC

I've received your e-mail, but have said most of what I need to say on WT:SRNC. I am fully in favor of adopting Principle I once voting closes. -- NORTH ^talk 16:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I apologized if I offended you in any way, that was far from my intention. I only meant to say that I was going to respond to your e-mail on WT:SRNC rather than through e-mail, and that I preferred to keep debate in a central location.

You also misread my wikibreak notice. I have no planned departure from Wikipedia, but have been on Wikipedia much less since the end of August, and will not be back at my regular rate until I am back in Bellingham on September 24.

Now to answer your questions. I do believe that the process that created this "consensus" (you are of course correct to put it in quotes) was fair, etc. Messages were left on the talk page of every user that has listed him/herself as a participant on a state highway WikiProject. The onus is then on that user to respond to that message and participate. I did not participate up until now because of my limited internet access, and also because I do not have a vested interest in what the final outcome is, although I would prefer Principle I.

WP:NJSCR has a naming convention that I published and that is applied to articles on every state route in the New Jersey highway system. However, this naming convention does not reflect a stable consensus for reasons I have given several times on WT:SRNC. Does NJSCR benefit by accepting the consensus? Probably not, but it is not harmed by accepting it either. The Wikipedia community as a whole, however, does benefit (IMHO) by having this poll accepted by all states. Michigan and Kansas are the only exceptions to Principle I because their "common term" cannot be disambiguated by putting the state name first. Accepting this principle would create more work for the project, but it is work I am more than willing to take on for the benefit of the Wikipedia community. It would create conflict with the county routes, but oh well... not accepting the proposal would create conflict with every other state in the nation.

I'm just eager to put this whole mess behind us. I started editing Wikipedia on the Washington state route articles just before things got really messy. Letting this poll reach its conclusion smoothly will allow that to happen. -- NORTH ^talk 17:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No one can outbully SPUI. It's simply not possible. It's mean of me to say, but it's also (IMHO) the sad truth.

The reason you and SPUI saw ugliness from Rschen (and in SPUI's case, the judging admins) is because you are attempting to debate things that were decided a month ago. According to WP:SRNC, from August 8th to August 11th the process was debated, and from then until the 18th, principles were debated. That was the time to bring up these issues. A majority of approximately 100 editors chose to adopt Principle I, and while it is far from a consensus, it is by far the most people we have had participate in a discussion like this, and since the main editors are too stubborn to see things any other way, it is the closest to any sort of consensus we will ever get.

I did not respond to you through private e-mail because that goes against the Wikipedia ideals of working together as a community that you seem to hold so dear. Any issues we have are the exact same ones that the other editors working on this poll have, and in order to get to something more closely resembling a consensus, they need to be discussed as a group. -- NORTH ^talk 18:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I have explained ad nauseum why I chose not to open a debate on the naming convention immediately after starting the NJ WikiProject. A couple weeks after opening the project I attempted to open a similar discussion in Washington, and my fears were realized as not a single editor contributed to the discussion. I did have it in the back of my mind to start a discussion in New Jersey, but by the time I was going to, Rschen had started the nationwide poll, and I knew it was unnecessary.

It is also a blatant lie that I have never answered the questions you posed. Rather than rudely copy and pasting my answers as you did your questions, I have italicized them two indentations above. -- NORTH ^talk 04:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Jun Choi, redux

Well. It seems the Jun Choi article is being, for lack of a better word, vandalized again. Most of the deletions appear to be made by someone at IP address 63.210.10.xxx. Is there a way to protect this article or block that range of IP's? I've reverted, yet again. Wl219 01:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

SRNC

Anybody can vote for any state, but it helps to say if you have knowledge about a state (i.e. NJ for you.) So others know. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Possibly, but well it's too late now. And it would be doggone hard to verify. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 03:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

SRNC Part Deux

First of all, I posted on Rschen's talk because the vast majority of the bitching going on in this poll should have been brought up as concerns a month ago. Second, in retrospect, I wish I'd voted for P2 because now that I've thought it over, it makes the most sense; but I'm not bitching about it now. Third, this whole thing still hasn't created a standard that will be obvious to those not in the know. Every state (pretty much) has a different convention; P1 has submitted greatly to the proponents of P2, which I now believe is to the detriment of normal readers because the article may not necessarily match up with the title. Fourth, the problem with saying "I've lived here for a gajillion years and therefore am the end-all know all about roads in such state" is we have to rely on referenceable material, which probably will be on the Internet. Sure you can hit up the library, but can you get evidence on here in time? While a Google Test™ might be crude, it's one of the best ways for us to gather info for something like this. And finally, my personal opinion is that through all of this we'll still be exactly where we started two months ago as far as article titles and terms used. The only progress we've made is a potential convention that's non-binding to prevent possible move wars. It's hardly worth the time invested. -- Stratosphere ^{(U T)} 14:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

NI Primary schools proposed deletions

Many thanks for your comprehensive response re WP:NOT. I really did think I was beginning to go mad - as I just couldn't see how I was in breach. The articles are stubs (the concept of which appears to have been misplaced here) and I, and others, hope to develop them more in future, as they will lead to further inputs from the education community as well as others. Thanks for helping with my sanity. Ardfern 19:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Redlinks on school articles

Good point about the redlinks Captain Video 11:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC) Captain Video

Wikipedia talk:Schools

Hi Alansohn, I wanted to make sure you are aware of the above discussion (especially since you have been quoted in it). Regards, Accurizer 02:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Keep up the good work

I was recently directed to your defense of a theological school, B.H. Carroll. I particularly found this comment to be relevant, I find the use of "scare quotes" and other derogatory suppositions regarding its nonaccreditation making it a suspected diploma mill to be a staggering violation of WP:AGF. I have few doubts regarding the notability of this institution, but many regarding those who are so quick to delete it based on entirely unsupported suppositions and original research. There is currently a discussion going on that I only just joined a few hours ago at Talk:School accreditation that you might be interested in. There is also a discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Vivaldi that you may find interesting. If you don't, no worries, you are appreciated for your insights nevertheless. Cheers. Bagginator 09:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Greater Middlesex Conf.

I'll keep working on it, but I noticed a discrepancy - the intro says there are 32 schools, but I think there are only 24 listed. Also somewhere along the line I think Middlesex County Vo-Tech got wiped out (hidden in the block you commented out?). I'll wikify the remaining white division list some time today, but I'll leave it to people more knowledgeable about HS sports to fix the exact number of schools. Wl219 19:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Semi-reversion on River Dell Regional High School

Hi Alan, while I don't mind the headers, can you explain why you reverted my addition of the {{fact}} tags, as well as some minor prose revisions that I made? Just curious. If you respond, please do so on my talk page. —this is messedrocker (talk) 03:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

NJ Dept of Educ article and inclusion of officer names

Thank you for your many contributions of NJ articles. Just so you'll know, I just removed from the New_Jersey_Department_of_Education article the mention of the NJ secretary of education's name, which I could not verify. It also used the word "currently" which doesn't have a permanent meaning in an encyclopedia. I think it's generally more helpful, rather than naming officers which will be out of date sometime in the future, to link to an official site where people can find out that kind of thing. If an officer must be named, perhaps you could add "as of 2006" to give readers an idea about when the information was indeed current. Harborsparrow 21:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Route 178 (New Jersey)

Hey again. I noticed as part of your edit you removed links to year-only dates "per MoS". But I can't find anything in MoS saying to remove them, and WP:DATE seems to encourage them. Is there something I'm missing?

I don't really care one way or the other whether or not we actually link them. I was just curious which guideline you're citing. -- NORTH ^talk 16:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Like I said, I was just curious. My personal habit when I'm editing is usually to always link them when creating new articles, and maintain consistency when editing existing articles (either always link them or never link them within each article). Now that you've pointed me in that direction, I'll probably refrain from adding new links, but couldn't be bothered enough to unlink ones that are already linked. -- NORTH ^talk 23:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		For being the first editor to even try to add a source for reports of Cory Lidle's death, amidst the barrage of speculation and edit warring, I hereby award you the Current Events Barnstar. Kafziel Talk 21:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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City name discussion

In light of recent comments on Chatham borough's talk page (btw, I really appreciate you stepping in there...I was getting tired of having just two people discussing the whole issue), I invite you to participate in a discussion relating to this matter over at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#How do we find out the city name?. Thanks! —lensovet–talk – 03:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Question regarding linking

Hey again. I've noticed you've been going through the New Jersey articles and changing links to the new title. I thought I'd inform you that another editor is reversing your changes (for example [3]), and for the life of me I don't know which of you is correct. Thus I've posted a question at the bottom of WT:USSH, and I'd appreciate it if you could give your opinion there. -- NORTH ^talk 22:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Wiki Race Proposal

Are you up for a wiki race -- Nathannoblet 04:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Your behavior in pushing to keep an article

Your behavior at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B. H. Carroll Theological Institute (2 nomination) is a problem. Please do not attack users or claim they haven't looked at the article. Arbusto 03:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why you have such a problem with so many of these articles, that you need to devote so much of your time to seeing them deleted. My preference is to work as hard as I can to improve articles, especially when faced with individuals such as yourself who seem to be determined to delete them, regardless of the validity of the arguments presented in their favor. I can assure you that I will fight tooth and nail to preserve worthy articles in the face of your attacks. It seems that you have a presistent failure to realize that starting an AfD with a claim that "The last afd was "no consensus" due to inclusionists claiming two church publications make it notable." is not only false, but shamelessly inflammatory. You have a tremendous amount of nerve to open your AfD with an insult and then blame others for behavior issues for responding to your nonsensical arguments. I sincerely hope that you will make an attempt to improve articles in the future, rather than persist in your efforts to destroy them and use logic and appeals to Wikipedia policy, rather than personal attacks, when articles must be proposed for deletion. Alansohn 01:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

So you don't think your a school inclusionist nor those same people have a history of only voting keep on "school" articles? Then why add it to the school watch list? Do you deny having a history of canvassing for keep votes? If you took some time you'd see that I start articles on notable unaccredited schools, and clean up massive amounts of those articles.

Also perhaps if you knew anything about education you'd spend time working on real institutions instead of digging up some local new mentions to ensure an unaccredited place without a campus has a wiki article. Arbusto 03:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not a school inclusionist. If an article is worth keeping, I vote keep, and if it would benefit from improvement I make the additions. Are you telling me that your constant edits -- with numerous negative and disparaging comments -- at List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning is not part of a deletionist pattern and a shameless attempt at vote stacking to get these articles deleted? The Talk page goes into even more details, most of it coming from you, about articles that are targets of your attacks. Do you refuse to acknowledge that your second crack at deleting B. H. Carroll Theological Institute was not in bad faith and that your opening insult in blaming "inclusionists" for your previous failure to get the article deleted were not an insult? You failed yet again, but I can count on you to keep on taking more cracks at this and other articles for schools that you have arbitrarily decided are not worthy of inclusion, using your same pattern of personal attacks, misstatements, false interpretations, imaginary Wikipedia rules and vote stacking to get your way, regardless of the facts. What have you ever done to improve B. H. Carroll Theological Institute? Alansohn 03:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Places that are private institutions that lack accreditation should have more than local news coverage to be kept. Especially "schools" that lack a campus. Arbusto 03:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not clear that there is any standard that requires coverage to be non-local, whether in WP:V, WP:RS or WP:CORP, nor that industry publications, even church-related publications, don't pass the standard. Even so the sources provided for B. H. Carroll Theological Institute at Google News Archive included references to the school from such "partisan" publications as the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Dallas Morning News, San Antonio Express-News, Kansas City Star and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution were enough to convince me. Alansohn 03:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny, you didn't supply those sources at the first afd when you wrote "Despite the lack of traditional news coverage, the articles provided and available online provide clear satisfaction of WP:V." Nonetheless, a handful of articles from 2003-4 about four teachers leaving a seminary hardly make this notable. WP:CORP says multiple non-trival sources are needed, four teachers leaving a school is trival, in terms of what academia is. Clearly, academia isn't your true concern here. But keep up the good work on the primary and high school articles. Arbusto 03:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I had not located these source earlier and (as indicated in AfD 2) would have listed them in the article if I had. As stated above, I have seen no guideline that would require national coverage, and I still feel strongly that the sources provided from Baptist news services and publications fully meet the qualifications required. I am still surprised that there has been any coverage of this school in any major newspaper, and the fact that it has been covered by these five publications, both in the area (Dallas and Fort Worth) and far away (Kansas City, 500 miles; and Atlanta, 800 miles away) is proof of notability. While all of the references are not trivial, the fact that it has been covered at all is demonstration of fulfillment of WP:CORP. Alansohn 03:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's review each one of these "sources:"

• Dallas Morning News-- New Baptist seminary aims to open in '04 "Church officials say school to make it easier to get theology degrees" November 5, 2003
• San Antonio Express-News-- Religion Briefs (November 15, 2003)
• Kansas City Star-- Texas Baptists to open independent institute November 22, 2003
• Atlanta Journal-Constitution-- Amen Corner: Baptists plan independent Texas seminary November 22, 2003

Every single source you mentioned comes from the same month of the same year about the same four people hoping to open a new institution. They are identical articles. Not independent claims on different subjects. Is this all you have?

If this is so important why haven't there been any articles from Kansas City Star since? Arbusto 04:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• • Is there a standard that requires that multiple articles can't be about the same event published in the same time frame. Or that continuous ongoing coverage must be provided? Why don't we stick with what WP:CORP actually says, without interpolating additional criteria? Alansohn 04:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Every single source you mentioned comes from the same month of the same year about the same four people hoping to open a new institution = trival. WP:CORP says it must be non-trival. Arbusto 16:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, you've chosen to impose your own personal interpretation on what WP:CORP actually says, in which an explicit definition of "trivial" is provided: "The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company or corporation itself. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except for the following: 1) Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the company or corporation talks about itself, and advertising for the company. 2) Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report extended shopping hours or the publications of telephone numbers and addresses in business directories." While you deem these multiple verifiable published works from independent and reliable sources as "trivial", the standard that WP:CORP sets is clearly met. These are not reprints of press releases, it's not selef-referential and it's not advertising, and they include details regarding the school's philosophy, curriculum and methodology that go far beyond address and phone info or hours. No standard specifies that articles have to be spaced out over a period of time or must be ongoing to meet this criteria, at least that I have ever found. If you do have a source, please refer me to that policy. Wikipedia rejects unsupported original research of this type in the strongest terms. Alansohn 17:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Ewing Towship

Most of the information contained on the Ewing Township website is incorrect (http://www.ewingtwp.net). Finacial documents and the front page are the only pages being maintained.

I am trying to get this fixed, but so far I have not had any luck.

Please do not keep changing the council lineup, it is incorrect on the township site and many years old at that.
Dlmarti 02:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Maryville High School/Spoofhound

I read your arguments against deletion on the Maryville High School page. I've been making what I think are similar arguments with regards to the Spoofhound article. I was wondering if you might review that discussion as well. Felixstrange 16:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

MyRevolutionaryWar

Saw your message on my talk page. Apparently you didn't read the messages I had already sent back and forth with another member or the WikiProject Military History discussion about the matter. However, I can't exactly say I understand exactly what you were thinking when you left the message you did.

"I would also appreciate your definition of "linkspam" removed from the Battle of Monmouth..."

It doesn't exist on that page and never has. What in the world are you talking about?

"...as well as why it had to be done with 'extreme prejudice'.'"

That's a play on a userbox, which reads:

This user supports the removal of Vanity pages with extreme prejudice.

"The link will be restored as is..."

An excerpt from WP:PROCESS:

In all these cases, there is a temptation, sometimes a strong temptation, to act unilaterally, to simply "fix" the problem as one sees it... The problem with yielding to this temptation is that it damages the overall structure of Wikipedia. It throws sand in the gears of the project. When people see others acting outside of process, they may be convinced that they ought to do the same; or they may be convinced that their individual voices and views will get no respect or consideration. If everyone acts outside of process, there is no process, no organization to our efforts. Then we do not have a collaborative project; we have an anarchy.

"...and without explanation as to a justification for its removal may appear to be vandalism."

Assuming I'm understanding your broken English properly, I'd suggest you assume good faith.

Please don't leave furthe messages on my talk page. I have nothing further to discuss regarding this issue. If you still care to speak to someone about the removal of the link, I'd suggest you contact Eagle 101, the admin who told me to remove the link in the first place. thadius856_talk 23:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

ancestry

http://www.city-data.com/city/Wallington-New-Jersey.html Kowalmistrz 18:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Tone at B. H. Carroll Theological Institute

It is pretty obvious that you are all het up about this article. What steps are you taking to stay cool? I suggest you refrain from describing another's edits as vandalism. Try to use commentary that deescalates, instead of escalates. GRBerry 04:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. If you can't disagree in a civil manner perhaps you are too involved and should take a step back. There is no deadline to meet here and you are more likely to attract support and help through calmness and reason than through invective. Guy 09:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Belle Mead, New Jersey

nice work on this page mr. sohn - my correction of Van Aken was an assumption as many of the Van Aken's that were around here, descendants of the Mr. Van Aken who planned out this 'city', were of dutch heritage and the cemetery stones(from the Harlingen Church)list them as Van Aken, a common dutch spelling. I live in Belle Mead, across from the RR station, 3rd generation here, and am intrigued to look into this further to find out some more history on this subject, obviously a very local one for me. I will report back with what i find from the Harlingen Historical Society and other long time residents familiar with this subject. The Hillsborough website that you've cited, while useful, has a number of small factual errors.

Your work on all the towns in our state on Wikipedia is to be be commended.

Cedarhurst

Mr. "Alansohn",

I am writing to you in regards to your constant editing of the Village of Cedarhurst page. I am the person that changed the Five Towns to exclude Hewlett, however, I did not realize that it was part of it. Considering that I lived in Cedarhurst for 20 years, I should know what other towns are part of the Five Towns so I thank you for the correction.

However, I am very irritated by the fact that you keep changing the article to state it is an "Orthodox Jew" community. From looking at your contributions, I am wondering if you are being biased or that you clearly do not realize it is not a "Orthodox Jew" community. I added that many Irish- and Italian-Americans also contribute to the Cedarhurst community, yet, you deliberately deleted that. I consider that an insult to all the non-Jews that live in Cedarhurst.

The Jewish community (and I say "Jewish" in that not all of the population is Orthodox) is a very important part of Cedarhurst and I think you have established that in the Wiki. However, you are clearly not giving credit to the other ethnic or religious groups that live there.

I ask that you consider changing the Wiki to make people aware of that or kindly stop deleting my remarks and facts about my town. Thank you.

Regarding Cedarhurst

Thank you for the editing of the Cedarhurst page. In regards to your response, there does not seem to have ever been any mention of other ethnic and religious groups in the Village of Cedarhurst. Though there is a growing population of Orthodox Jews, I feel that other people should be represented as well. By the statistics you added, you can clearly see that over 40% of the population of Cedarhurst are not Orthodox. Calling it an Orthodox Jewish community, to me, is misleading in that it gives off the idea that it is a strictly Jewish community. Personally, I think those types of labels should be deleted from all pages unless the population is 100% of a certain faith. Thanks for understanding!

Cedarhurst Schools

Thank you for the correction on the St. Joachim's school. However, I deleted the Orthodox Jewish community link again. For the second time that I have mentioned this, I DO NOT find it appropriate to label Cedarhurst as an Orthodox Jewish community. Yet, you find the need to continue to include this. The mayor, himself, is an Italian-American and members of the school board are typically not Orthodox. If you are going to include facts in a Wiki (which you should), then include them. Is it NOT a fact that Cedarhurst is an Orthodox community. I have forwarded the Wiki to many members of the Cedarhurst community and they are outraged at this. I'm not sure why you find the need to continue to update the Cedarhurst page, but kindly please leave it as it is. You have upset many Five Towners.

If I can jump in here for a minute- it might make more sense to simply note that it has a large fraction who are Orthodox and note the fraction. JoshuaZ 17:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you JoshuaZ. Though you can easily see the contribution the Orthodox Jews play in Cedarhurst, it is NOT an Orthodox-Jewish community. That can be mistaken by some to be of only consisting of Orthodox Jews. I will continue to remove the link. Helical Rift

I think part of the concern here may be for our anon that when people think of Orthodox Jewish communities they think of places like New Square, New York or Kiryat Yoel. In any event, I think we need some sort of citation before put the category there. (As to the question of my connection, I have some amount of familiarity with the five towns but have never been in Cedarhurst itself. I would agree from my understanding that the classification of it as an Orthodoxo community is probablty not inaccurate but this is essentially WP:OR.) JoshuaZ 19:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with JoshuaZ. When I think of an Orthodox Jewish community, I do not think of Cedarhurst Helical Rift

Is this you??

http://www.house.gov/rothman/news_releases/2006/june29.htm

Changes

I'm wide awake...we can do this all night if you like. Helical Rift

How is pushing the facts an act of vandalism?? You changed the definition of Orthodox Jewish communities in order to include Cedarhurst. Helical Rift

And who gives you the right to say what goes in a Wiki?? It seems that anyone can edit. Who made you G-d? Helical Rift

Cedarhurst, New York

You and the other editor seem to breaking Wikipedia:Three-revert rule - I suggest you both stop. --ArmadilloFromHell 08:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok so this is how its going to be? You and your friend IZAK are just going to inundate the Cedarhurst page with as many Jewish items as you can b/c I had a problem with the category?? Ok I guess two can play at this game. You two are seriously being immature people. I don't see why you have to find the need to continue to do this. People have been already commenting that this needs to stop. I think we get the point. Leave it alone. Stick to your NJ schools. Helical Rift

Honestly, I really don't care anymore. If you want to turn Wikipedia into a forum to promote Judaism, then go right ahead. I have noticed your name on many Jewish websites so it seems like this is something you take personally. Listen, you really shouldn't. You are not "The voice of Judaism," don't even pretend that you are. As to the Cedarhurst page, do whatever you like to it; it really doesn't matter to me anymore. I have noticed the class of people in here and its people such as yourself, that has made this experience horrible. I am no longer editing anything on Wikipedia again b/c all it takes is a cowboy such as yourself to ruin it. You and IZAK are very "typical" and its a shame because many of the Jews I know are very nice people. I guess it only takes a few bad apples..huh? Helical Rift

Oh I am the last person that would ever be considered an anti-Semite. I go to a yeshiva, so before you open your mouth and let the moronic statements come out, why don't you find out who your audience is. I am merely stating my experiences with Orthodox-Jews compared to non-Orthodox Jews and I'm sorry, but you fit the bill. Helical Rift

CfD

I've reinstated a couple of CfD entries that you deleted from today's list. I presume that the deletion wasn't intentional, but I thought I'd let you know. Waitak 15:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Dude...enough with the warnings! I am no longer editing on Wikipedia anymore and have started going through the procedures to delete my talk page so quit bugging me. It is immature people like yourself who really have nothing else better to do than hassle people on here that made me decide to get off of Wikipedia. You should consider it yourself since you have a tendency to upset people as well and might actually benefit more by spending time with your family rather than play on the computer. Now please leave me alone!! Helical Rift

Honestly, I was very upset at you for the way you treated the Cedarhurst page and the deletions you made and I felt that your actions were very ethnocentric. Any edits I may have made to your pages were most likely done before you apologized and I forgot that I did it so sorry for that. In terms of my comments, I have never once in my life been called an anti-Semite. I have the utmost respect for people of the Jewish faith. If I didn't then I wouldn't be at Yeshiva University. The comments I made were meant to be directed at you; not against Jews as a whole. I have dealt with many Orthodox and non-Orthodox Jews in my life and yes, I have found a large percentage of Orthodox Jews to be very stubborn and biased compared to non-Orthodox Jews; hence, my comment to you. I will apologize if you found it anti-Semetic, it was not my intent. Honestly, this whole thing was a complete mess. All I wanted was to edit the Cedarhurst page so I have no idea how it got to this. I did explain my feelings to you regarding your edits so I think you also need to realize that you may be a little bit too overbearing with your own edits. Let other people have some fun on here instead of monopolizing many of the pages. About Arbusto, just ignore the guy. Yet, I see that you find the need to retaliate for anything he says. That was kind of how you were with me as well. Instead of making your edits or presume that it is vandalism, email the editor and ask him his reasons (unless its a blatant act of vandalism). This whole thing would have been avoided if you just did that with me. Anyway, like I said, I'm done with the whole editing process on here. It's not worth the aggravation. Again, I apologize if you found my comments anti-Semetic. It was never my intent. Helical Rift

apology

I appreciate your apology and I do hope you have accepted mine. Let's just forget about this mess and definitely chalk it up to lessons learned. Helical Rift

New Jersey Palisades

Hi. I noticed you reverted my change of Link to Links. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links) and Wikipedia:External_links#"External_links"_vs_"External_link" for the reason I made the change. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Brian P. Stack edit

Brian Stack was a Special Ed student at Emerson High School. A simple inquiry would confirm that. Please do not revert to a previous edition.

• Of course, it's derogatory; it's meant to be. That, however, doesn't change the fact that the man was once a Special Ed student. As for your "reliable, verifiable source" try the Union City Board of Education. Oh, wait no, can't do that anymore - Mayor Stack's records seem to have gone missing! 67.81.146.198 05:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

"Cool blue quotes"

Hey, look at that (on the Blue law page): It's "cool blue quotes!" Now I know how to use them (and provided I remember...) Scoutersig 18:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Schools4

Has been nominated for deletion. JoshuaZ 20:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

You've done some good work on Wikipedia, Alansohn. It's disappointing to see you resorting recently to bad-faith WP:POINTs and demagogy in opposition to policy. This does not help reach a consensus. It also doesn't help inclusionists — it just hurts your credibility. It's a controversial issue, but please try to discuss it rationally. Or if you're unwilling to help forge a compromise, at least don't hinder those who are. Shimeru 21:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Reconsider vote for Dr.S. Hussain Zaheer Memorial High School

I changed my vote before I saw your request. I don't like being canvassed for votes very much, but I guess this situation warranted it, thanks for good research into this article. Amists ^{talk • contribs} 16:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm afraid there's been some sort of mixup. I was not the creator of the AFD for Dr.S.HUSSAIN ZAHEER MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL. Perhaps you were looking for someone else. —ptk✰fgs 16:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Dr.S.HUSSAIN ZAHEER MEMORIAL HIGH SCHOOL--WOW

Good job! How did you do that? Where did you find the saving information??? Why couldn't I find it???? Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 21:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Dr Hassen Zahain Memorial School AfD

Hi There, Not normal form to reconsider the AfD per se, once an AfD is submitted the process will normally run it's course. They are rarely withdrawn, rather the result is usually that a consensus is quickly formed that it should be kept, which is what looks like will happen here (remember Wikipedia rarely uses votes to decide things, and the original Delete comments in the AfD will now appear irrelevant in what is a debate on the AfD) Originally this article was prodded and that prod removed without much thought for why it was added which while not against Wikipedia policy isn't a very sensible thing to do, it appears as if the AfD nomination encouraged a speedy clean up and fix of the article which at the end of the day is a good thing. Thanks for your help cleaning it up, it was a good save.

•Elomis• has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

•Elomis• 21:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

The deletion/move/undeletion thingy

Hi, what I did was remove a few revisions from the page history because they contained personal information and libel, and those things should not be online for all the world to see. Most vandalism is "harmless", we simply revert and let the vandal revisions stay in the history, but when someone named is falsely accused of dealing with cocaine, or personal phone numbers with name and address are given, those revisions need to be taken off line. There are basically two ways of doing this for administrators without oversight access (oversight access is rare, most who have them are current or former arbitrators).

• The simple way is to simply delete the article, and then restore all the non-offending versions. The problem with this approach is that the next time someone adds personal stuff into an article which needs to be deleted, chances are the next admin who deletes revisions will overlook that there are previously deleted revisions with libel, and may wind up restoring those by accident.
• What you saw me doing was the complicated approach. It consisted of first deleting the article, then restoring the "offensive" versions so that I can move them out of the way (in this case to a subpage labelled "/dump"), and then delete them again. Then I can go back and restore the article without the offensive revisions remaining in the page history (the final step is reverting away the a vestigial redirect from the move, that is the edit with "restore content"). It is a laborious process, and it is rare that I do it. In this case I considered the issue serious enough that I blocked the IP which added the libel for a week and e-mailed the school to report it.

Yours, Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Worth Square

Don't have a problem with it not being part of the template, but while it is not as large as say, Madison Square or Union Square, I thought that it was consistent with their inclusion. Doc ♬ talk 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Berhalter

Mr. Sohn, I started the Berhalter thing by digging up the Boston Globe quotation. I wonder who's been writing from these anonymous IP addresses. How hilarious would it be if they come from "New York University" or "U.S. Soccer HQ" or "Energie Cottbus.de" or someplace like that? Anyway, thanks for your support. I hate to see facts go down the memory hole because they're inconvenient. joejones20032003 1:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

The Pelham Islands categories

The Pelham Islands page now appears in two categories, Category:Long Island Sound and Category:Islands of New York City, which is a parent of the former category. Unless I misunderstand, the parent category should be removed. Gjs238 07:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: October 2006

On Octobor 19th you accused of vandalisim on the Wayne, New Jersey article. However, if you look at your edit and my edit you cited you'll find that I was not the culprit. Please, try to be more careful in the future.

Also, I'm wondering where you found the template for vandalisim you used on my talk page, it seems quite useful.

Thanks, Kevin 09:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

George P. Oslin?

In Singing telegram, you wikilinked George P. Oslin. Did you plan to make that article? When I wrote that part of the singing telegram, I looked around a bit for information on Oslin, and only found singing telegram stuff. Is he notable for other things as well? AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 17:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• Worthwhile. I added an ISBN and another book, a memoir, all based on a brief web search. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 18:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Llewellyn Park

Alan, I am sorry but you are completely wrong, Llewellyn Park is not in an unincorporated area, it is within the borders of the Township of West Orange. West Orange DOES NOT have any unincorporated areas. For your general information I have friend and business associates who have live in Llewellyn Park probably more years then you've been alive, couple that to the fact that I've lived in West Orange my entire life (Almost 40 years) I have been involved in the Township of West Orange on a business and political basis for close to 25 years so I think I have a better prospective on the situation here then you do. Please don't change the article again. Misterrick 23:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but my main concern here is that people will misinterpret your statement that Llewellyn Park is an unincorporated area as it not being part of the Township of West Orange and in a census-designated zone which it is not, In my humble opinion it is just better to keep it listed as part of the Township of West Orange that way there will be less confusion. Misterrick 00:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

School AfDs

Please avoid comments such as this. They're in terribly bad taste, and I take personal offense to some of what you said. Just because I'm a deletionist, you classify me as having a certain personality type [that I play by my own rules and refuse to listen to others, especially when consensus exists (even though, in the case of schools, no such consensus is actually present)], even though you know nothing about me nor my editing habits. I commended you a few days ago on your improvement of an article that was put up on AfD; since then, most of what I have seen from you is attacks on others simply because they disagree with you, and it's quite disappointing. -- Kicking222 03:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreement

[4] I completely agree with you. Isn't that amazing? Also, FYI I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 05:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:SCHOOLS edit

Hi Alansohn, did you mean to remove my addition of "or holds a verifiable record in such an activity" from the notability criteria or was that a mistake? I didn't think there were any objections to expanding the criteria in this way. Regards, Accurizer 11:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I put "or holds a verifiable record in such an activity" back into the criteria. Regards, Accurizer 14:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Chief Justices

Just FYI since you are the Chief Wikipedian of New Jersey, I have just created articles (very small stubs actually) on two Chief Justices of the New Jersey Supreme Court, Arthur T. Vanderbilt (1948-57) and Joseph Weintraub (1957-73). I had recently created one on Weintraub's successor who lasted only a few weeks, Pierre P. Garven (1973). This clears up some red links in the New Jersey Supreme Court article as well as extending the succession box back in time a bit. It also completes the series on Chief Justices that New Jersey has had since the Supreme Court became the highest court in 1948 (Constitution of 1947). Although the title Chief Justice existed before that, I think it is a natural break-point, before which substantial research would be involved. In the succession box on Vanderbilt's page I did not put a predecessor but rather indicated he was the first CJ under the 1947 Constitution. Neutron 21:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Added note, I had missed the fact that there was no article on Robert Wilentz (which I couldn't believe considering how recently he had been CJ) so I created that one, too. Neutron 21:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no...

Your continuous insertion of information, without established talk page consensus, is the ONLY vandalism taking place on the Gregg Berhalter page. You've been told time and time again that adding information without consensus is against policy, yet like a stubborn child you continue to do so. Consider this your vandalism warning, i'll go further if I need to and if YOUR vandalism continues. 75.2.9.78 02:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Continue to insert it and it will be treated as vandalism. See the wikipedia page for consensus about adding information. You and your Sock puppet have no consensus for adding the material, thus it will not remain. If you choose to report it as vandalim that's fine, an administrator will see your obvious ploy and disregard it. Until a consensus is reached the information will not be included. 75.2.9.78 02:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that you just tried to warn me twice for the same edit, i'll ignore that last warning as pure idiocy. You're the one that is going AGAINST CONSENSUS BUILDING, which is a guideline here at wikipedia that you seem to be unfamiliar with. Here is the page for you to educate yourself WP:Consensus. Now, if you'll read that you'd understand that a consensus is CENTRAL to editing at wikipedia, what we have here is your disagreement with the two IP editors (myself included) and a user who edits ONLY the gregg berhalter article and like...one other one, who i strongly suspect is a sock puppet of yours. YOU are the one vandalising the article. 75.2.9.78 03:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Now you're threatening to ban me as if you're the wikipedia president? You have NO authority to ban me because I don't like your edits. You need a wake up call. The talk page discussion is speaking for itself, you and your sock puppet are the ONLY two who want the quote in there, me and the other IP editor are the ones who don't want it in there because its...UNENCYCLOPEDIC. Yet instead of heeding the consensus efforts on the talk page you resort to not only warning me twice about the same edit, but then implying that you've got the authority to ban me from editing...wow. 75.2.9.78 03:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I won't be. Because I don't get banned JUST becuase you say so. I have violated NO policy by refusing to cave to you in your quest to add what I deem unencyclopedic information. YOU however, have now three times threatened me with being banned when I have violated no wikipedia policy. We shall now consider this discussion closed as i'm through with you and your empty threats of banning me from editing here. Good night to you sir. 75.2.9.78 03:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you've missed it, but i'm not the one who has had problems understanding wikipedia processes, maybe you should read the bit about the RfC as you've been comically unaware of every other pertinent process thus far. By the way i'm the 75 IP address, sometimes i don't sign in, other times i do. You'll notice however that i've not used my name and IP to address the issue, just my IP, so that shouldn't be a problem. Batman2005 04:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

NO...

You'll notice that I am not hiding behind my failure to sign in, at times I feel like editing without signing in, I also clearly indicated in my edit on the talk page that I did not sign in while arguing my point. That is NOT a violation of any policy, I am not using an IP address and a logged in name to offer two points, and have not done so in any instance on the entire page. Batman2005 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

86th

Keep up the good work on 86th street! - CoolGuy 02:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ridgefield Park High School

I've replied to your message on my talk page. Shimeru 18:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support of shopping center articles

I'm the guy who edited a few mall articles in Arizona and California; among those, Metrocenter Mall and Paradise Valley Mall were speedy deleted this past week; debate is ongoing on WP:DRV and the Village Pump) as to whether or not they will be reinstated. I noticed and appreciate your stand regarding JzG and his deletions, which it seems has helped him to clarify his reasoning a little bit.

I can understand if malls are considered too "trivial" for Wikipedia, but malls are topics of cultural, social, and economic significance. But I can also understand if some malls are more worthy than others for inclusion based on the secondary sources available to back up the articles. But this is a touchier subject than I anticipated.

There seems to me to be a lack of clarity regarding whether or not any articles on individual malls even qualify for Wikipedia at all; several different official policies seem to apply to these articles and there isn't a single, solid, consistent applicable standard other than use "reliable secondary sources" and "Wikipedia is not a directory," and even that's not a guarantee that someone who doesn't like the article will want to keep it even if every effort was made to write the article acording to the standards. An article written in completely good faith may not pass muster based on what two or three people think, and how they interpret a loosely connected set of rules which by definition are not even themsleves totally set in stone.

I'm all for these articles going on a Wikia site or somewhere else on the WWW if they are not worthy of Wikipedia, but I question whether a case-by-case analysis is the correct approach. There needs to be a defining rule, maybe an amendment to WP:CORP or something that addresses this. If malls can be targeted, what's to stop the targeting of any notable article on any business enterprise such as sports franchises and major corporations - many of which have articles in conventional print-based encyclopedias and many that have also had scholarly books and articles written about them.

I've only been editing on here a little over a year or so and I'm still learning the ropes. But a thousand thanks for your stand on this, it is encouraging.--Msr69er 18:30, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Hi Alan. I forgot to respond earlier. Apologies for that. I'll get back to you tomorrow, but my first instinct is always to tell someone who queries a deletion judgement to take any issues regarding the judgement to DRV. Proto::type 20:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I still believe I made the correct call. However, I am aware that nobody's judgement is perfect, including my own, and I may be wrong. You are, as you know, free to ask for the closure to be reconsidered on deletion review. Proto::type 09:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Borough Park schools

To be honest, I understand why you reinserted the paragraph regarding borough park's public schools. However, I must tell you that the information for that paragraph (which I placed in originally) are terribly out of date. The entire "drain" is a true phenomenon; however, the data regarding PS164's "only 89% capacity" is overblown at best and it has not been followed up since then. Only 89% capacity is far from a large drain. Let me know what you think. --Screwball23 ^talk 02:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Just want to say thanks for all the work you do with articles pertaining to New Jersey. Also, thanks for the cites on Seaview Square Mall. You're awesome! --Darkdan 04:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

hchs page

About the Holy Cross High School (Delran) page you've been fixing: we should keep the bit about the embezzlement off of it; I know people keep adding it, but it's vandalism (I didn't know if you knew it was vandalism or if you thought it was something worth putting on the page, but some students keep doing it). I just figured I'd let you know, since you've made edits to it recently. Thanks--BigShock 00:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Aren't we supposed to keep current events off of the pages (except for sports teams and things like that)? Besides, it's all vandalism, so you shouldn't pick and choose what parts of it to keep, right? As of right now I've removed everything about it, but if you feel too strongly about it, put it back. Myself and another are watching the page so that we can remove vandalism as a result of all this, but if you put it back in I won't stop you.--BigShock 00:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a newsworthy event about the school. I'd suggest keeping it in and editing it to fit the facts provided in the article. Excluding it will almost certainly create more problems than keeping in a paragraph that's properly worded. Make sure that no claims above and beyond what can be supported are included. Alansohn 00:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I defer to your judgement. I'm just doing a small clean-up job of the article now, so after that I'll re-add it.--BigShock 00:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

New proposal for shopping mall notability guidelines

I submitted a guideline proposal, WP:MALL, based on a suggestion from Edison. I thought you might be interested. Hopefully having a separate standard, with references to existing guidelines and policy, but clarifying the whole mall issue, will be of great service. Please feel free to alter, modify, comment or however you feel appropriate. Thanks a lot.--Msr69er 01:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject on malls

On the talk page for WP:CORP, Rossami suggested starting a WikiProject for malls that may help in getting the highest quality articles on individual malls written, approved and kept. Does this sound like a good idea?--Msr69er 16:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you know

Number 1 (1 create/expand / 0 nomination)

On 1 December, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Willowbrook Mall (Wayne, New Jersey), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 12:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

For the last time ...

Alan,

"Unsupportable"? Too strong a word, I think. The picture I took would differ with you on that ...

In any event, I restored pretty much everything you deleted and added sources.

Now may I ask that you stop doing things this way? First Clinton Road, now here. As if this wholesale removal of text without any discussion on the talk page or {{citation needed}} tagging weren't enough of an encroachment (IMO) on civility, consensus, and good faith, you have had to add those decidedly uncivil edit summaries. I would not want to be you trying to explain that sort of thing in an RFC one day. Especially since you do a lot of good work.

If you don't like that we have articles based on things that regularly get covered in Weird NJ, fine. Say so. And be civil about editing them. Daniel Case 05:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Fairmont Preparatory Academy

The deletion was overturned at WP:DRV, so I moved the article back into mainspace and relisted it at WP:AFD. ~ trialsanderrors 07:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

River Line

I already started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#River LINE or River Line? --NE2 14:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

JSEA NavBox

Hey Alansohn! Since you recently restored part of the article, I just thought I'd let you know that I moved the tnavbar on the Jesuit Secondary Education Association navbox. It now rests on the bottom right of the box so the title is centered. Tell me what you think. Eclectek ^{C T} 17:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Column count CSS

Alan, I saw your changes to the Bergen County article to change the columnation to be CSS-based. This is pretty cool, and works well on Firefox, but I was not able to get it to work on any of the other browsers I tried (Opera 8.5, IE 6, Mozilla 1.7). Unless you have a way of getting this to work for more browsers, I'd suggest going back to something more widely supported. Another option is to use a div with a float. Example:

• column 1
• column 1

• column 2
• column 2

Your thoughts? --ChrisRuvolo (t) 19:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I had grabbed it elsewhere and it works great for me, as I use Firefox. I agree that a solution has to work across platforms and will be more cautious in using this technique. I can assure you that it works unbelievably well in Firefox, and it's a breeze to adjust the number of columns without manually tweaking each time. Alansohn 20:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, it is great under Firefox, but it needs wider support for us to use it here. I will revert that change. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 13:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Removal of information that looked copyrighted.

I made this edit because that paragraph looked like it came from here, which does not appear to disclaim copyright (Granted they could've, but their site doesn't seem too well put together). 68.39.174.238 04:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Tenafly High School

I just wanted to let you know why I put the unref tag on the article-- "Tenafly is noted for its competitive debate team which has been awarded numerous awards over the years."- If it has been noted for something, there should be an article available or some sort of reference to back it up. Also, the "Other sports in Tenafly that have winning traditions..." sentence seems debatable without any references. I'm going to try and find some for a few minutes. Bgold4 00:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Smithville, NJ

I have lived in the Smithville section of Galloway for 11 years and I have never seen nor heard of residents wearing lime green or even that color mentioned in relationship to Smithville. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.253.2.176 (talk) 00:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Alumni links

Hi again :) I was wondering if you knew what the Wikipedia policy is on Alumni site links? I've been removing links to alumni sites which don't really provide any information already included in the article, or any information at all (for example, the alumni links in the Lawrence High School (New York) article). I'm a fan of keeping references to a maximum and external links (especially SPAM) to a minimum. Any assistance you can lend would be greatly appreciated! Thanks again, Bgold4 02:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Transportation hub

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Transportation hub, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Transportation hub. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. TheRingess 23:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

You may be interested in...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Islamic extremist terrorism. KazakhPol 03:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ranney School

Alan - What is your interest in Ranney School?

Webmaster - Ranney School —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.158.179.67 (talk) 17:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Yeshivah of Flatbush controversy

You'll notice that I haven't re-reverted your edit yet, but at the same time, I'm not sure that this is within the scope of the article. The article deals with broad categories of information about the school, not about individual incidents, regardless of how interesting or scandalous they may be. The Stadtmauer story is good for shock value, but doesn't really add anything to an encyclopedia article about the Yeshivah of Flatbush, which was a thriving institution decades before Alan Stadtmauer was born. I want to remove the section, but I'd like to hear your thoughts first. --DLand^TALK 22:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bergen County, New Jersey

The article Bergen County, New Jersey you nominated as a good article has failed , see Talk:Bergen County, New Jersey for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of said article. If you oppose this decision, you may ask for a review. Jhamez84 14:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

LoHo, SoHo, DUMBO

Thanks for the clarification.  Juda S. Engelmayer 20:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

External link on Astoria, Queens

I removed the link you placed: Community profile from Long Island Exchange in the external links section b/c it's not a community site, but a commercial one. According to them:

Long Island Exchange, a subsidiary of Searchen Networks Inc., is a special interest media and publishing company focused on the business and entertainment markets here on Long Island New York.

Alcarillo 20:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

:I do recognize that this company is a business, but then again so is The New York Times and Newsday and Amazon.com, all sources of other links on this same page that I added and that no one seems to object to. What is it about Long Island Exchange that would make nondescript links from their site linkspam but the others OK. Please note that I have no connection to Long Island Exchange, other than as a source for some neighborhood information that I have not found anywhere else in an organized fashion. Alansohn 22:26, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. The LI Exchange site isn't a "Community interest" site, but rather a vehicle for advertorial and link exchange. The Astoria profile page provided little more than promotional content for a handful of neighborhood business -- I suspect (and I'm still trying to find out for sure) that these business have paid for that coverage. Also the page itself is pretty sparse in terms of information about Astoria; and I question it's overall value to the article. (As for sites like amazon.com, I don't think they should be linked to from wikipedia, either.) Alcarillo 17:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Willingboro Public Schools

I noticed that both willingboro and it's public schools article both contain seemingly biased/promotional information regarding the closing of some schools. As you've been a repeat editor on these pagees, i'm bringing it to your attention for review, since you seem to have some subject knowledge of both the area nad of writing schools entries. Thanks. ThuranX 04:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:NJSCR Newsletter #1

The New Jersey State and County route Newsletter Issue 1 – Sunday, December 17,2006

Intro Issue WikiProject New York State routes has started running a newsletter for now to great success, and, after some consideration, I've decided to launch a similar effort for the New Jersey County and State Routes WikiProject. This could prove to be a very effective medium of communication between the members of the groups, and with increased communication comes the possibility of increased production.

News from the New Jersey Department of Transportation On December 1, 2006, the New Jersey Turnpike Authority terminated it's plans to build the spur from Ridge & 1 in South Brunswick to 8A in Monroe. Since most of the 92 funds had already been diverted to the Turnpike Authority's main concern, it made more sense to cancel the spur due to lack of funding. The Authority's main focus is widening the Turnpike between Exits 6 (in Mansfield Twp) to 8A (in Monroe Township). Project News County Route 676 (Middlesex County, New Jersey) became the first article on WP:NJSCR to reach good article status and only the fourth U.S. Road article to reach such status, except Pulaski Skyway which is a featured article. Member of the Month The member of the month is Northenglish. He is the founder of the project and is a good leader and quite the worker. He has written many articles for the project and does the job well.

Contributor to this Issue Mitchazenia (Editor, Distributor)

The very first newsletter-I hope you like it. Message me if you dont want it.Mitchazenia(8300 edits) 17:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

John A. Lynch, Jr.

Hi Alansohn, hope all is going well. I created a stub article for John Lynch a while ago. Since he will be sentenced tomorrow it could be the subject of many edits. I wanted to ask if you wouldn't mind watchlisting it? As always, any improvements you could make would also be welcome. I don't have much information on him yet. Regards, Accurizer 17:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Christian Brothers Academy

I just overhaulted Christian Brothers Academy (New Jersey) as it was, in my opinion, a big mess. I see you have contributed to it off and on, so I thought you might like to have a look.--Storting 08:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Ranney & Tinton Falls

I live in the Tinton Falls area, and looked it up, and see that you contribute to that and the Ranney School article. If you would like any help from me, I can contribute or correct anything that wouldn,t be considered original research.--Whytecypress 03:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Patti Smith

I removed the claim that Patti Smith played at the Five-Spot. I don't think it is true, and it is certainly unsourced. It seems an unlikely venue for her ever to have played. You restored it without providing any relevant citation, so I have removed it again. If you have a citation for this, then please feel free to provide it. Otherwise, I can't see how this belongs in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 00:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment change notice

I moved a comment of yours in an AfD discussion as it appeared to be improperly formatted. The content of your comment was not changed. If you believe this change was inappropriate, please accept my apology and feel free to undo the changes made. Seraphimblade 03:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Voorhees Mall

If you're going to disingenuously remove the fatdarrell.com citation, which referenced the book fatdarrell.com was citing, and then state to include the original source which was mentioned in the citation you disingenuously removed...it shows you didn't really read all the content that you were excising from the article. Bad form. Very bad form. —ExplorerCDT 15:39, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• • RE: YOUR COMMENT ON MY TALK PAGE...Well, if Wikipedia has a policy called Wikipedia:Don't be a dick and you've been rather dickish in your disingenuously removing cited material, including the citation of a source (a book) which meets the guidelines of WP:RS and if you had read the content of the citation you removed you wouldn't have told me to put in the original source (namely, the book), makes my action somewhat acceptable. So, realizing that your being a dick is intractable and seemingly irredeemable, please be a dick elsewhere. —ExplorerCDT 16:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
    • • RE: YOUR PSYCHOTIC RANT ON MY TALK PAGE: Someone obviously woke up this morning without taking his Thorazine. So hot and bothered that he forgot that he was the one who deleted the citation. I don't need to go to Alexander to get the book, I got a copy as a freshman. I added it as a reference, in addition to a website that quotes it...but you, Alansohn, deleted it. I revert, you delete it again. Then, in a point that only comes out of bad Shakespeare or Laurel and Hardy...you tell me to add in the book citation! You're continued abuse, being a dick, talking out of your ass in an episode that could only be a sign of undiagnosed intermittent explosive disorder or a temporal lobe disorder...should be tolerated within the reach you'll have after they put you in a straight jacket and get you back on your meds. Take your craziness somewhere else and tell someone else to add citations after you've deleted them. Geesh. Away, you nut. —ExplorerCDT 19:04, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Paul Moriarty.jpg

Alan, hope you are well. This image has been tagged for replaceable fair use, FYI. Kol tuv. - crz crztalk 19:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Your support on Paulins Kill's FAC

Just wanted to thank you for your support of the Featured Article candidacy of Paulins Kill and your kind words in reviewing of the article. Thanks. —ExplorerCDT 04:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Holmdel High School edit

Thank you for your concern about our high school, but since you're not a resident of Holmdel, we (students at the school) feel that we only should be responsible for the changes on the website. Thank you. —Beta.s2ph 11:17, 29 December 2006

Mr. Sohn, this is Al, I've removed the blub about me as a matter of personal privacy, and I would greatly appreciate it if you did not reverse the changes. If you have any questions, feel free to respond. Thanks! —scihyp

immaculata high school somerville nj

Look alansohn you dont even belong to this fine institution one half of the page is unsourced so why dont you delete that second you dont even belong to the school and i am a senior here thrid mr. welsh is apart of MUN and he and his nicknames should be included

why dont you grow up and not edit this page at random!

seriously you must have some life if you spend all your time editing pages on wikipedia.

please dont make me report you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spartanoffensive07 (talk • contribs) 20:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

This is the only warning you will receive.
Your recent vandalism will not be tolerated. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. This is the only warning you will receive.

Your recent vandalism will not be tolerated. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

immaculata high school

you dont belong to the school and therefore your opinions about this institution are void. go make your own page on something and edit it all you want —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spartanoffensive07 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

you are not even catholic and you have the nerve to destroy our website. if we did this to one of your temple descriptions you would call the media and portray us as racists but you still do it to us. the nerve of you unacceptable-spartanoffensive07

you are truly unacceptable. and you have the nerve to berate me on my kings english spelling using our instead of your yankee or for wourds such as favourite. you have hardly edited this page at all and your work has not been vandalised. we dont appreciate your comments and/or contributions!

stop vandalising our page you are not even christian and even thought there is no requirement it is unacceptable to vandalise an institution that you have no connections with.

all you are doing is trying to bash a catholic organization. its bad enough that you can edit it but worse that you keep editing it.

you made a boner trying to correct it saying that it isnt cited. a good 3/4s of this article is not cited. so why dont you delete everything else. thats what i thought

and then you have the audacity to criticise who i write and spell because i am of english heritage. you have the wrong spellings of words not me mate ok. stop editing this page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you may try to make this seem like you are trying to better wikipedia but this is another way to bash catholics and make us out to be the bad guy.

STOP VANDALISING OUR PAGE

PS since you have no grammar usage you idiotic yank: words with or are spelled as our as in favour or favourite and z is a s in words like criticise and organise.- spartanoffensive07 on the correct abv. date 29/12/06

This is the only warning you will receive. Your recent vandalism will not be tolerated. The next time you vandalize Immaculata High School's page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

You are correct when you say she is as notable as David Quinn. So why would you take his entry down and leave her's up? It's hypocritical.

Ocean Parkway

Alan reverted this page to correct a citation. But he also reverted the page to say that many mansions were built during the US Civil War. According to my citation, mansions were built during WW I. This is consistent with Kenneth Jackson's Encyclopedia of New York City. The Civil War claim does not even pass a consistency test. Ocean Parkway was not even built until after the Civil War. I undid the changes.