Template talk:Infobox nuclear weapons test

Series

Whoever is in charge of this infobox:

The series infobox needs to have the next_test and prev_test changed so the test reads "series', not "test". Alternatively, these could be made optional and two new optional lines, say, "next_series" and "prev_series", could be added. In the example of the page, the Operation names are test series, not tests. That would only account for 40 or so of the uses; I have no idea where else this box gets used. SkoreKeep (talk) 21:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'Scuse me. That's previous_series and previous_test. Too many years as a C programmer. SkoreKeep (talk) 21:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@SkoreKeep: so added, see documentation. Frietjes (talk) 22:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Frietjes, many thanks. Will use with alacrity! SkoreKeep (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A few more things...

Why no coords?

Seems to me that this infobox really could use a coords line. Abductive (reasoning) 04:58, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User:Abductive, added. Frietjes (talk) 13:34, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Abductive (reasoning) 15:34, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bug with Next test - Previous Series

The order is usually previous on top and next on bottom.

However if there is a 'Previous test series' and 'Next test' then its inverted - previous goes on the bottom and next on top. Any way to fix this? Crazytrain411 (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Crazytrain411, I made some changes. is that better? Frietjes (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Frietjes I do like the chronology arrow change and it didn't seem to increase the width of the infobox which is good, but the template changes wont take effect, they will need to be applied on every page with a no change edit/save, this includes the many nuclear test pages and the HE ones, including the single test ones (probably hundreds also including chinese, russian, british, french tests)! Also curious if there is any kind of wiki standard when it comes to series/chronology sequenced wiki pages.Crazytrain411 (talk) 22:42, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Crazytrain411, if you need to "purge" transclusions of a template, you can try 'User:Frietjes/masspurge.js', but it does require creating a common.js (or equivalent) page as I have done at 'User:Frietjes/common.js'. once added, you can purge templates through the 'Special:MassPurge' page. but, I am assuming you don't want to go through all the trouble, so I will purge the pages for this template for you. as for a standard, we created template:succession links to have a standard, which is now used on over 60k pages. Frietjes (talk) 13:17, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Frietjes I can see the scripts but those pages are just showing the source, Im not sure how do you actually run that and give it inputs? Are there instructions anywhere? (In case I want to mass purge in future) Crazytrain411 (talk) 14:34, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Crazytrain411, (1) open User:Crazytrain411/common.js in edit mode, and (2) add the line importScript('User:Frietjes/masspurge.js'); // [[User:Frietjes/masspurge.js]] as I have in User:Frietjes/common.js, (3) go to Special:MassPurge and you should see a form where you can put a template name in the top box (fullname with the prefix), or a list of articles in the bottom box. Frietjes (talk) 14:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Image width

Paris 2024 Report

In 2011, the Australian Paralympic Committee commenced a project to document its history. This included collecting documents and museum pieces and conducting oral history interviews with Paralympians. An online component was recognised as being important, and Wikipedia was identified as part of that. Since then, the Australian Paralympic Committee and Wikimedia Australia have collaborated to produce thousands of articles that continue to receive millions of page views each year. As part of the project I attended the Paralympic Games in London in 2012, in Rio de Janeiro in 2016 and now in Paris in 2024 as a media representative, with accreditation supplied by the Australian Paralympic Committee. This time, I took a photographer, GailLeenstra, with me.

Media accreditation meant that I had access to the media tribunes at the venues and could attend any game, even when the event was sold out (as was usually the case). It meant that we could use the buses of the TC, the Olympic transport system. It meant we had access to the resources of the Main Press Centre (MPC) and the Venue Media Centres (VMCs), which provided wired and wireless internet access, desks to work at, staff to help us, and lockers to store our equipment. It meant that my photographer had access to prime photographic positions not accessible by the public. It also meant that she had access to the Nikon store at the Stade de France where she was able to get some of her equipment repaired and borrow some very expensive equipment for the duration of the games to supplement the gear she had brought with her from Australia.

The image of Wikipedia has undergone a dramatic transformation in that time I have been working on the Australian Paralympic Project. In London there was a tendency of the mainstream media to regard us as not being “real journalists”. There was none of that in Paris; mainstream media representatives told us how much they appreciated our efforts, how they used Wikipedia as reference all the time, and praised it for its accuracy. Support from the Australian Paralympic Committee did not end in Australia. In Paris they had set up headquarters at a site near the Paralympic Village called "Our Mob". This contained work rooms, a TV studio, cafeteria, a bar and a McCafe concession (McDonald's being one of their sponsors.) Tim Mannion, the General Manager, Communications, provided great assistance, including coveted passes to the Opening and Closing ceremonies.

In Sydney, London and Rio, multiple venues were concentrated in a multi-sport precinct. In Paris, the venues were widely scattered around the city. This is a model considered by many cities planning to hold the Olympics and Paralympics, because it allows the city to make use of existing facilities, saving the substantial cost of new facilities. It was not cheap however! It came at a substantial cost in increased security, transportation and manpower through duplication. Venues required considerable upgrades, refurbishment and fitting out for the games. Three new venues had to be built, and metro lines were extended. Not to mention the 1.6 billion euros spent on cleaning up the Seine and Marne to make them fit to swim in. Police presence was overwhelming, with about 45,000 police and 10,000 troops on hand. All were heavily armed, with automatic weapons in case Hamas decided to put in an appearance. Roads near the venues were closed to vehicle traffic.

Getting from one venue to another involved a trip on the Paris Metro or buses using a Navigo card issued to us as part of our media kit. Each day we criss-crossed the city on the Metro as we moved from one venue to the next. Fortunately, the Metro was super-efficient with trains leaving every couple of minutes. Getting to venues in the metropolitan area took about a half an hour. (The locals said that the Metro had never been as efficient nor, with the enhanced police presence, safer.) This meant that each day started with critical decisions about what events we would cover that day. Priority was given to events with Australian participation (especially medal chances) since our media accreditation was so generously provided by the Australian Paralympic Committee, but the athletes of other countries (especially the English-speaking ones) were not neglected.

As it turned out, there were some foreign Wikipedians present, but they lacked our accreditation and (quite understandably) had quite different priorities. This meant that the Wikipedia had broad coverage and the decision to have Australian Wikipedians on site was fully justified by the coverage. We tried to see as many sports as possible. Our coverage included Boccia, Cycling, Equestrian, Swimming, Triathlon, Wheelchair Rugby and Wheelchair Basketball. Cycling and Equestrian events were located well out of town, requiring a day trip on Metro, Réseau Express Régional, and the TC. I suggest using |upright=1.25 with the default box-width of 23.5em. this is the same as {{infobox mountain}}, and is a compromise between the suggested |upright=1.35 and the current |upright=1. Frietjes (talk) 20:28, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

|upright=1.35 is considered the absolute maximum (WP:IMAGESIZE and MOS:IMGSIZE) for a lead image. It seems absurd to me that I am forced to use such a huge size. I tried to reduce the size and got reverted on the grounds that we shouldn't use hard-coded sizes. |upright=1.25 is still too large. I'll have to abandon the use of the infobox entirely. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I thought we were having a discussion here. I suggested a compromise, and your position is "my way or nothing"? nice collaborative attitude. Also, it seems odd that you object to the wide image, but not to the wide infobox. Frietjes (talk) 22:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. The size of the infobox is driven by the size of the image. And I'm the only one working on the articles in question. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming the font size in Vector.css is 75%, that makes 23.5em = 276px. So upping the infobox from 22 to 23.5 em has no effect. Image upright 1.3 x 300 px = 390 px. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 hello, I'm not entirely sure what's the problem? Where are you using the infobox and finding it too large? Can you post a link? I personally went through all US tests and they look pretty good. To give you some history the size was originally 1.14 (possibly for years)and what was happening is that a lot of text (locations) were broken up jumbled and ugly. I changed the infobox width along with a fix for locations. By reducing the image size you don't change the infobox, it's just a tiny pic inside the same infobox. Anyhow need to see where it's causing you the problem Crazytrain411 (talk) 00:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It does change the infobox, which resizes larger to accommodate the large image. I have put a copy of Operation Grapple's infobox at right. (Since you cannot pass upright parameters, I have created a copy that uses |upright=1.2) We shouldn't be using |upright=1.3. The only way I can override it is by hard-coding a size. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 OK I see what may be going on. I added Grapple to the template documentation so its easy to test changes. I tried 1, 1.25 and 1.3 and the infobox width absolutely did not change. The height does change slightly from 1 to 1.3. Is this what you meant and what you find wrong? Also the size at 1.3 is larger but I don't find it too large. Maybe what I see is not what you see. Can you check in your preferences that you don't have a custom thumbnail default? The default should be 220 px. 1.3 would make that 286 px wide, which should be fine, as the max recommended is 300 px. I suspect you have a different setting since you say its 390 px at 1.3. You can try setting your preferences to default then look at the page again. Another thing is the grapple image is very tall, so its the image ratio itself that makes it larger than most. Most other tests are not as wide as they are tall. Let us know.Crazytrain411 (talk) 02:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Sandstone has a really tall image. Hmmm... Preferences -> Appearance -> Thumbnail size. Yes, it is set to 300px. That's funny... I thought everyone had to set it to the maximum. Maybe the maximum used to be 300px but is now 400px? Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we using upright? Isn't it deprecated? (Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 155#Upright_3) Hawkeye7 (talk) 06:22, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 Ok, Im glad we have this mystery solved. With 300 px thumbnail 1.3 would make it 390 px which is really large. The defaults are weird, right now the default is 220, but maybe it depends when your account was created. Stranger is that mine was created back in 2008 and thumbnail default was actually smaller than 220! I think right now we should assume a 220 px default. Does it look fine with 1.3 or 1.25 in your opinion when you have 220 set? We have a few options:

Change it back to 1.3 - the image size will fit the infobox without enlarging it - tall images will look larger however like sandstone - really these images should be cropped to make them more even in ratio when going with this option.
Set it to 1.25 - this is a compromise where images are smaller than they could be in the infobox, but we handle tall images more 'gracefully'. I would vote for this, Grapple looks A-OK under this option with 220 default IMO.
Use 1 - This makes really tall images look 'good' at the expense of making most others small with lots of white space around.

Crazytrain411 (talk) 14:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I understand the problem now. I would go with Frietjes's 1.25 compromise too. My choice of images is unfortunately rather restricted. Bumping the default up to 300px was last (inconclusively) discussed in 2014 (Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 128#Time for the semi-annual enlarging of thumbnail images) From the discussion, it seems that 400px was not an option then, and must have been added since. The 220px size looks acceptable on my 36" desktop monitor. I think I must have altered it for the laptop. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
done. Frietjes (talk) 22:32, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Frietjes thanks, the width size to 23.5 is ok too, i tested it earlier and it didn't break text. The max size is also an excellent solution to ppl with large defaults.Crazytrain411 (talk) 23:30, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]