Talk:Yemen/Archive 3

Archive 1

Archive 2

Archive 3

Page history

Hi, while I was trying to look into the page history I saw that there was a huge spam that happened 3 days ago here and I can't open it using the mobile version. It keeps loading and loading and not opening. This might cause difficulty to those who want to explore the history of the article. SharabSalam (talk) 17:44, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

It wasn't spam, it was pure vandalism. It happened twice and was reverted in both cases. The first time, over 210,000 characters were added, and they may have been added in such a way that computing the diff is very complicated or time-consuming, so it may just be a timeout, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that this edit triggered a bug in the diff routine. The same thing happens on the desktop as on mobile, by the way. Largoplazo (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Well I think we need an editor who is able to remove the whole edit like how they do when there is pornography or copyright materials--SharabSalam (talk) 19:39, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done — Maile (talk) 14:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

>>Repetition Repetition Repetition

This image is in the article twice. Perhaps somebody who knows which position in the article is the better one might want to sort that one out. Kelisi (talk) 02:04, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I have changed one of the photos. Thanks--SharabSalam (talk)

Link issue

The Indo-Pakistani ethnic group link goes to India-Pakistan diplomatic relations, not the ethnic group itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.109.28.162 (talk) 15:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I have changed it to South Asian ethnic groups.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 16:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Area size

Current area size can be found in the The World Fact Book, The World Atlas and many other authoritative sources. El_C 08:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure why two sources from 2002 should supersede current authoritative sources. El_C 08:56, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly Nlivataye (talk) 07:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Removal of President

Since there is no official president of Yemen now, the name of Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi should be removed from the article.Lordofhunk (talk) 18:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Lordofhunk, what do you mean by "no official president"?--SharabSalam (talk) 19:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

SharabSalam because there is no official government, just a control that's it.Lordofhunk (talk) 19:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Lordofhunk, the Hadi government is considered as the legitimate government by the UN. We don't have another president.--SharabSalam (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Allah

Erp, Allah doesn't mean "God". The word Allah is like Yahwah in Judaism. It is the name of the Muslim God not the translation of the word "God". Ilah (إلاه) is the word that means "God" in Arabic not Allah.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:40, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Your second and third sentences are identical to "Allah doesn't mean 'god' but, rather, 'God'", using the distinction made in English between the lower-case and capitalized forms of the word. So your first sentence is incorrect. Islam teaches that Allah is the same god as the god of the Hebrews and the Christians. In English that god is most commonly known as "God". So "Allah" is just as much Arabic for "God" as "Dieu" is French for "God" and "Gott" is German for ... well, for both "god" and "God", because German capitalizes all its nouns.

There's nothing wrong with calling him "Allah" as well in contexts where that name is commonly used—in general use, but not here, as WP:ALLAH states a consensus to use "God". Still, it's incorrect to say that the word means something different from capital-G "God". (If you want to debate the guideline at WP:ALLAH, you'll need to do that at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Islam-related articles.) Largoplazo (talk) 11:55, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

No, Arabic "God" is not Allah, it's Ilah (إلاه). The God in Islam is called Allah in English, Arabic and all languages, the Islamic God is called Allah. The Arabic word for God is Ilah.--SharabSalam (talk) 13:05, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I have started a pre-RfC discussion yesterday in WP:ALLAH and I hope I can clear the misunderstanding there.--SharabSalam (talk) 13:09, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

I've responded at the RFC. Largoplazo (talk) 14:21, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Op is wrong. Arab Christians say “Allah”, Arab Jews say “Allah”, Arab Muslims say “Allah.”

You are sorely mistaken by thinking that Ilah is used exclusively by non Muslims comparatively to Muslims. JasonMoore (talk) 18:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

All names refer to the One, True God. That different people have different understandings of Him is the cause of the different names. Whether they all worship the same god is an old point of dispute. Say we both know Mr. Smith. But I think he was married once, and you think you have proof he was never married. Do we know the same man?

Or take a real case. Jesus is the Son of God, the incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity to Christians. He is a great prophet, slightly misunderstood, to Moslems. He is a nice Jewish boy, who went into his fathers business, to Jews. Do they all know the same man?

Really, all this name argument is about who has the right understanding. I think all the Abrahamic faiths have the same God, but a lot of their members do not. Maybe the article can reflect these various perspectives, and explain the problem. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:C48F:D74B:A82A:AA67 (talk) 11:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Etymology

The word' Yemen' actually means 'the kingdom of Lord Yama, who is called the Lord of the south, accordingto the Indian mythology. Actually the southern coast of the Arabian peninsula was divided to two parts by the ancient Indian geographears- the left and the Right. The left was called 'Vama'( Oman) and the right was called - Dakshina- which means the right side or the South side. The South is connected to Lord Yama who is the ruler of the South.. Hence this land came to be called as Yemen. the South. Banda.krishna (talk) 05:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC) B.K. Satyanarayana

Jews

There is an old tradition among Yemeni Jews that the Jews actually come from Yemen, and bits of the Bible were altered, later. I have seen it in a couple of sources, including a study by the British Government during the war, trying to decide on policy in the region. Could we have some account if this, and references to scholarly discussion of it? 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:C48F:D74B:A82A:AA67 (talk) 11:19, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Legitimate Government

The Hadi led government is weaker than even the Southern Transitional council.

At what point will we decide that the « Houthi » government is the current and actual legitimate ruling government in Yemen. They hold the capital, as well as harbour the support and control of most of the population as well. It is nonsense to assume a non resident government is who is really in charge just because Saudi Arabia seems to think so. What are your thoughts on the matter? JasonMoore (talk) 18:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

It will depend on your stand on the war. A lot of European nations thought their monarchs and governments were the legitimate rulers of their countries, even thought they were in London, and the Germans had installed current and actual governments in those countries. As for popular support, let’s have a supervised election, and find out. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:C48F:D74B:A82A:AA67 (talk) 11:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

In need of radical updating

Having read this article for the first time recently, it is sorely out of date in almost all respects. It doesn't give me any current view of the conflict which has decimated the country, the parties involved, the international supporters of the conflict, or even the causes of the conflict arising. The same could be said of many of the Yemen related articles, which almost always do not mention the recent devastation that has been wreaked on the country and its populace. Sorry I can't help with this, but it needs to be recognised that the article is obscure and massively out of date. TonyClarke (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Request possible page protection

Just to prevent vandalism or any kind of disruptive editing, I request

Ubersonic Gaming (talk) 11:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. However I see little recent vandalism or other disruptive editing in the recent edit history of Yemen, so I think that without a good explanation of why this article in particular needs protection right now any request there is likely to be declined. Best, Wham2001 (talk) 11:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

10% Pakistanis?

What is the source of 10% Pakistanis when in the same introduction it states a mere 1%? Nlivataye (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Globe

The globe of Yemen in the infobox is different from other countries. I suggest to replace with Wiki map. The Supermind (talk) 19:10, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Rashad al-Alimi

We should make a page about Rashad al-Alimi 196.65.122.248 (talk) 14:30, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Africans in Yemen

Why are there separate demographics for Somalis in Yemen and Afro-Yemenis? I think Somalis should fall under the Afro-Yemeni group. Unknown... (talk) 15:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Totally agree Nlivataye (talk) 06:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Motto of Yemen

@Vif12vf I think Allah and Rabb have different meaning. Which one is used in Yemen's motto?

Maybe you are highly fluent in Arabic. @Vif12vf Please teach me something I haven't known about those two words. Satrio.m (talk) 06:00, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm no language expert, but all sources I have ever used uses Allah as the arab word for God, regardless of which religion the source discusses. Arab christians to my knowledge also say Allah when referring to God. At no point have I come across any other terms being used except for polytheistic religions. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 13:27, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

About the Christian, Yes because God in Islam and Christianity is the same, The God's name in Islam and Christianity is "Allah". Christianity thinks that Jesus is the Son of God, and the God here is Allah. ::Okay the source, did the source and the arab Christians you mentioned tell you about the difference between the word "Ilahi" and "Allah"? Satrio.m (talk) 00:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Even if you don't understand but keep changing it by reading another source, please give us the source telling the differences between the three. Satrio.m (talk) 00:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Satrio.m: You are now at 3 reverts. If you have a legitimate argument to make that you believe will allow editors to reach a consensus agreeing on the content you think is correct, please make that argument clearly and succinctly (preferably identifying sources that support your position) instead of baiting other editors with sarcastic comments. General Ization ^Talk 00:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

No need for a concensus because I'm sure many non-Arabic will intervene it saying "Allah" means God and has no difference with Ilahi as well as Rabb. Satrio.m (talk) 00:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Consensus is how decisions are made here. If you're unwilling to make the effort to achieve consensus, please don't edit articles. General Ization ^Talk 00:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Please be aware that once challenged, in the absence of a compelling argument supporting a change and the adoption of a new consensus, the existing consensus version will be the one that remains. General Ization ^Talk 00:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, many non-Arabic article will tell many people who don't know Arabic that Allah means God. After that, that is, after reading the source, people will vote that Allah means God. Satrio.m (talk) 00:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

This is what Wikipedia cannot be used and unacceptable to be used as a reference in academic journal and books, because of this kind of people. Satrio.m (talk) 00:35, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Please give us guidance if you have it to offer, and as I said, point to – hopefully English-language – sources that address the question. Other editors are not interested in playing games with you. Please see Assume good faith as a start. General Ization ^Talk 00:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If you don't like the policies of Wikipedia, please don't edit and you won't find yourself having conversations like this. General Ization ^Talk 00:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, settle the issue here before you start another edit war at Sudan. General Ization ^Talk 00:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

This is why Wikipedia cannot be used and unacceptable to be used as a reference in academic journal and books, Because of this kind of people.

Thanks guys for making Wikipedia untrusted source for Academic texts. Again thanks. Satrio.m (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I think we need more reliable person to handle vandalism. To decide who made vandalism and who really try to correct something. I mean, those who have deep knowledge about many fields. We call them Polymath. Satrio.m (talk) 00:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I invited you to "get to the point" and tell us what you know or believe you know about the subject, instead of playing a game of cat and mouse with other editors. If that's too much to ask of you, it's a shame, but it shows your motives to be something other than to help us build an encyclopedia. General Ization ^Talk 00:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hope those help! Thanks :) Satrio.m (talk) 01:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

You said to me, "...but it shows your motives to be something other than to help us build an encyclopedia."

Yes, now facts are made by concensus, means that fact is something many people agree with, not the meaning of fact itself.

One thing to know, to solve vandalism, concensus is not the answer.

You seem to know my "other" motive. Tell me what that was.

And I'm gonna tell you your solution for fixing vandalism, YES, making concensus to determine the meaning of words. And the result is what Many people HAVE TO think of as the trusted NEW fact because it was chosen by many not-knowing-something people. Satrio.m (talk) 01:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

After all, I don't care what the concensus will result in.

As long as it one day become reliable for academic text and journal, though it consists of most-chosen facts, hope that help make the world better. Satrio.m (talk) 01:42, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

You seem to know my "other" motive. Tell me what that was. Again, we're not interested in playing rhetorical games with you. I don't claim to know your motives, I can only conclude what they are not from your actions. The invitation stands if you'd like to collaborate with other editors to improve the content. If you're not interested in collaboration, our conversation is done. General Ization ^Talk 01:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Facts were made by concensus? Satrio.m (talk) 01:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

We are waiting for you to state a fact, versus questioning other editors about their positions. General Ization ^Talk 01:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Again, Facts are made by concensus? Satrio.m (talk) 01:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

This is how we solve vandalism, Discussion.

So, facts are made by Concensus all this time on WIkipedia? Satrio.m (talk) 01:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I hope I'm not blocked from editing due to many replies I made here. Satrio.m (talk) 01:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Another rhetorical game? Sorry, no time for that. See Fact for an explanation if you need it. As to consensus, as WP:CONSENSUS (which I have repeatedly linked above) explains, no, facts aren't made by consensus here, decisions are. And you are so far providing nothing that contributes to that process. General Ization ^Talk 02:01, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm asking @Vif12vf for source he meant and suddenly here you say Concensus is done to determine facts. Haha

I need answer only from Vif12vf about the source. Don' reply. Satrio.m (talk) 02:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

"Decision are."

YES THAT"S WHY I'M ASKING VIF12VF FOR THE SOURCE HE MENTIONED.

And why you warn only me, and not him as well? He also made repeatedly same edits? Satrio.m (talk) 02:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

First, you may not instruct other editors not to participate in discussions here. Second, @Vif12vf is under no obligation to provide a source for restoring the existing, consensus version of the article. As the editor who changed the content, it is your responsibility to provide sources that support the change. See WP:BURDEN, which makes this very clear. Now if you have a source that explains why the current version of our article is wrong and should be changed, we are ready for you to identify it. General Ization ^Talk 02:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Nope, the existing text was something new added in the past. So mine will be the existing text in the past. Satrio.m (talk) 02:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The article's editing history shows otherwise. The word "God", and not the word "Allah", appeared in the translation for weeks, if not months, prior to your edit. Again, if you have something to share with us to show that it is incorrect, please do. General Ization ^Talk 02:17, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Since the editor seems to have retired, I will close by suggesting that they look at the cited sources at our article Allah. It is clear from them that the common translation of the Arabic word "Allah" to English is "God". I was quite prepared for the editor to explain why the technically-accurate translation by an educated speaker of Arabic might be something else, but unfortunately I couldn't convince them to stop the games and veiled insults and make their argument (much less share sources to support it). If the editor would like to return and take a constructive approach to discussing the issue they raised, perhaps we can actually improve the article. General Ization ^Talk 03:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

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Aden

should the term "capital-in-exile" be changed to "Temporary Capital" as it is the case Abo Yemen✉ 06:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Length

At over 15k words of readable prose, this article is too long to read comfortably. It would be beneficial to condense and/or migrate content to subarticles to make this one more readable. See WP:TOOBIG. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

I propose that we summarise the sections about terrorism, civil war, etc. and link them to their full articles instead of talking about the entire subject in this article Abo Yemen✉ 05:18, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Wait, what IS the reasonable amount of words that an article like this should have, just to get an idea? Maybe even compare this to other articles about other countries. Not saying that this article is not unreadable (I have never been able to read it in its entirety), but still, I want to get an idea of how much characters aRE sKIMMABLE. :P BengalEmpire767 (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

There are articles like Germany for example which are the same size as this Yemen article but for some reason the article is too big but germany's article is a featured article? Abo Yemen✉ 11:06, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Good comparison, I just did the calculations, Germany's entire history is (in the Wikipedia page) 2828 words. While Yemen's history up to 1990 is, and brace yourselves, a whopping 7,679! That is excluding the entirety of Yemen's modern History, which is obviously going to be longer because of uhm... (remembers that there is a civil war there) stuff. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 16:13, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Actually these calculations include image captions and stuff but these numbers are mostly accurate. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I meant the introduction/lead but i've just realized that the maintenance tag was talking about the entire article and not just the lead Abo Yemen✉ 16:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

no me talk about entire articl- Now that you mention it, yeah, that's true, both introductions are roughly the same size. Still though, this doesn't really answer my original question ( i literally forgot that i even asked anything lol). My theory is, shorten and divide the larger paragraphs so that... yeah I can't really think much other than "shorten it enough". But the truth is, how much is that "enough"? We're all here because of that "This article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably." line and the fact that the article feels unbelievably long, but how much words need to be removed to make it "readable"?

Oh no, I'm getting too dramatic, I need sleep. Will be back tommorow. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 17:41, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

the first person in this thread (or whatever it is called) said that "over 15k words of readable prose" so he might mean that there should be less than 15k words? Abo Yemen✉ 18:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria say something Abo Yemen✉ 18:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

The Germany article is about 8300 words total (for the whole article, not just the lead); this one is nearly double that. As outlined at WP:DETAIL, a broad article like one on a country should be limited to a high-level overview, with more details explored in child articles. So for example, the History section here would be expanded on at History of Yemen, and elaborated further at more specific articles like Modern history of Yemen. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

so you're saying that we should remove stuff from this article to their main article ? Abo Yemen✉ 03:03, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:11, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

alright bet Abo Yemen✉ 03:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

it begins.... BengalEmpire767 (talk) 04:41, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

and i have no idea what im going to do but here we go BengalEmpire767 (talk) 04:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria i used the prosesize gadget and it said that this article's prose size is readable:

• HTML document size: 984 kB
• Prose size (including all HTML code): 178 kB
• References (including all HTML code): 442 kB
• Wiki text: 229 kB
• Prose size (text only): 97 kB (15868 words) "readable prose size"
• References (text only): 57 kB

Abo Yemen✉ 08:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

can u compare to other articles BengalEmpire767 (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

give me suggestions Abo Yemen✉ 08:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

i was thinking germany or mongolia (weird duo but ok) BengalEmpire767 (talk) 09:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Mongolia:

• HTML document size: 684 kB
• Prose size (including all HTML code): 102 kB
• References (including all HTML code): 222 kB
• Wiki text: 145 kB
• Prose size (text only): 54 kB (8597 words) "readable prose size"
• References (text only): 30 kB

Abo Yemen✉ 09:42, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Germany:

• HTML document size: 883 kB
• Prose size (including all HTML code): 143 kB
• References (including all HTML code): 383 kB
• Wiki text: 196 kB
• Prose size (text only): 54 kB (8381 words) "readable prose size"
• References (text only): 48 kB

Abo Yemen✉ 09:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

"Readable prose size" is a technical term for the article body excluding the references etc; it's not a judgment of whether the prose is readable. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

so we dont have to remove 8000 words somehow, we just have to remove 8000 words somehow. yeah that's totally different, my head's spinning now. I am literally scrolling to re-read the exact wordings of the individual comments now lol.

So basically to recap, a normal article should have between 8000 and 9500 words. The Yemen Article has over 15000 words. Congratulations!

What do you propose about this?

I, for my part, have Ctrl C-ed the entire article into my sandbox. And am slowly going to shave off lines and words and characters in the background off the main article (not much though, i don't want to mess with citations much, or at all.) I am going to see what I can do. Drastic edits, if there are any, will be done in my sandbox. I am way too scared lol. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 10:05, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

This is going to take a long time Abo Yemen✉ 11:03, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

i know. but its progress. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 11:38, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

true true. Abo Yemen✉ 11:43, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Only thing I can do is slowly chip away at the word count while not destroying the article. I don't really have much of a choice. Citations have officially now become the bane of my existence. I can't even think of removing or changing them cause they are just wayyyyyy above my league. I don't want to mess with them lol. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 08:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

I do think though that at least some parts require re-writes but hey, thats just my opinion. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 08:16, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

you can start removing (or shorten) paragraphs/sentences that end in Citation needed Abo Yemen✉ 10:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Canada and Japan our the FA level article that are best to follow as examples. Moxy- 12:05, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

we will Abo Yemen✉ 15:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

are there any? BengalEmpire767 (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

alot down there Abo Yemen✉ 15:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

link to a few. cause telling me to read the entire article will be a violation of the Geneva Convention. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

LOL.

they start to appear after the Unification and civil war section. they appear commonly at the end of each section after the unification one Abo Yemen✉ 16:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

btw see WP:RVREASONS Abo Yemen✉ 07:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

also see Talk:Yemen#:~:text=Section sizes in Yemen Abo Yemen✉ 11:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the long wait, I am still watching discussion from time to time, logged out, but I can't really do anything now because I have exam. In fact, I am studying right now. Will be back by 29 tho, I hope. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay gl on your exams bruv Abo Yemen✉ 15:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

My internet is slower than a limping tortoise, so much so that I couldn't even open the editor. me is back tho, but for how long? BengalEmpire767 (talk) 23:23, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

same thing for me Abo Yemen✉ 07:35, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding a line break because this talk section is getting unreadable. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes. BengalEmpire767 (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

badly explained unification map

The gray area is unexplained in this article and the one on unification. -- Espoo (talk) 12:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

The gray area is land gained by Yemen later after dealing with some border disputes with Saudi Arabia and Oman Abo Yemen✉ 09:18, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Religion

@Discospinster sources say Zaydi Shia Islam:

infobox needs to be updated Abo Yemen✉ 17:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

References