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Name Pronounciation

Why all the references to Khara? I assume it's arab slang for sh~t and he's scored twice against Egypt. How about some moderation? How do you pronounce his name? I understand we've been calling him 'kay-hill' all these years, but I think he recently said it was called 'car-hill'. Someone evaluate?

I think this is down to his Australian accent. When he was at Millwall, we always refered to him as "kay-hill", but I think I'm right in saying that Cahill is an Irish name, so we need an Irish Wikipedian on the "correct" way to pronounce it. But having said that, if Tim says it's "car-hill" then the way he pronounces it, would be the correct way. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Lion King 03:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Australians generally say "Carl" (with a long 'a'), which is closer to Car-hill, when they pronounce Cahill (as in the Cahill Expressway, a major road in Sydney.) However, he has played mainly in England and the Socceroos commentator in Australia is English too so 'Cay-hill' has just stuck. It'd be hard to get people to change the pronunciation now.

its pronounced Kay-el122.109.172.73 (talk) 06:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article nomination failed

Doesn't help when this page is white-washed cause something like this used to be in - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/mar/05/newsstory.everton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:620:5617:8929:279D:EF46:68CB (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Good Article nomination for this article failed for the following reasons:

Some parts of the article do not maintain a Neutral point of view, which is essential. For instance – "He also scored a superb volley against local rivals Liverpool, in a match Everton lost 2-1." Who said it was superb? Is there a citation for that opinion? Any parts in the article expressing opinions need to have citations, otherwise they should be changed to become neutral.
Poorly composed lead section. An article's lead section should never introduce new facts that aren't discussed in the main article body. See WP:LEAD for more info about what a lead should contain.
Although I can't confirm this, the fact that the picture used in the article was uploaded by a user who is currently blocked for vandalism doesn't bode well. If possible, I suggest finding an alternate picture that can be used.
The items in the Trivia section should be incorporated into the main article text. If some of them can't, then they probably don't belong in the article at all.
All dates need to be formatted and wikified according to the guidelines at WP:DATE.
The infobox says his nickname is Tiny Tim, but nowhere in the article is it explained why.

There are the major things that popped out to me. Once they are all addressed, feel free to renominate this article (that doesn't guarantee it will succeed, however). It may be helpful to take a look at similar articles that have passed, such as David Beckham. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 16:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Undisclosed fee?

Why has the link to the Millwall History files been removed? Millwall revealed the fee to the South London Press, they gave it as being £1.5 million. Lion King 09:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is pure press whispers. The official website says undisclosed that means officially it is undisclosed. Other sources say £2million. SenorKristobbal 13:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, I have checked the Everton website and the fee, as you correctly state, remains undisclosed. It is indeed just "press whispers" Lion King 13:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Houlier's Evertonian family

Surely that needs citation...I can't imagine an ex-Liverpool manager just waltzing into the Everton dressing room and asking a player for his shirt. Unless he's just trying to annoy his former employees--RoyalBlueStuey 09:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia section

If the items in the trivia section are going to be incorporated into the main article text then they should be removed from the trivia section.

Agreed. I have moved the references to his children (and his car!!?) out of the "Early Life" section and back into "trivia". These facts are more suited to that section - they certainly aren't part of his early life. Would quite like to get rid of the car reference altogether (it reads like a plug for the manufacturer) but I guess someone finds it interesting125.63.139.142 15:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

League games for Millwall

Millwall a Complete Record by Richard Lindsey, shows Tim played 215 league games for the Lions. Where does 218 come from? Cheers, Lion King 11:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

International caps & goals

The info box says 24 caps 12 goals but in the text it says 13 goals from 18 appearances or something like that. How does this work.

Do not fear, i just added the international goals box, hope you like it. I think i got all his goals, and stadiums correct. Thanks, ill keep adding more Goal boxes to more international aussie footballs. check my page to see other aussie footballers that i have edited for goals. Nath1991 (talk) 04:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused about the "score" vs "result" headings on the goals table. I'm assuming the "score" is simply the goals in the match, but what then is the "result". Could this be clarified, please? Also, I don't see anything to indicate how many of the goals were scored by Cahill.87.113.172.100 (talk) 16:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Score is what score his goal resulted in, and result is the mjatchresult. If Australia won by 3-0 and he scored the second goal, it would be 2-0 at score and 3-0 as result. QED237 (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Birthdate

Tim Cahill birthday is on december the 6th i am his cousin my name is Tayla Liuliu-afoa my family is very close to his family!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.88.201 (talk) 07:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes the article has his birthday listed as that already. Camw (talk) 09:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Intentions to play for Ireland

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2002/1820871.stm

In this article it alludes to Tim Cahill wanted to respresent Ireland. There is no quotes from the player or either of the national teams governing bodies expressing an interest in Cahill playing for Ireland.

Cahill himself says "My father checked with the Australian FA at the time and was told that taking part would not affect my international ambitions."

Giving more evidence that he wishes to play for Australia and not Ireland.

I don't think the article is enough evidence to suggest Cahill's previous ambition to play for the Irish national team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.81.18.30 (talk) 06:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake

"In this role he scored 2 goals in 3 games, both in 1-0 victories away to Manchester City and Middlesbrough, as well as a late equaliser in the Merseyside Derby"

If he kicked both goals in the 1-0 wins to Man City and Middlesbrough as well as an equaliser against Liverpool is three goals.

In fact I think the importance of this three goals (or two) in particular are worthy of being mentioned —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.110.253 (talk) 09:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Middle name

FIFA.com and the-afc.com have his middle name as Filiga

http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/index.htmx?pn=Cahill&cp=c

Which is correct? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.1.10 (talk) 00:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually Joel. TheBigJagielka (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The official AFC website, which would appear to be a reliable, secondary source, states his name as "Timothy Filiga Cahill". See here. Unless a reliable source proves otherwise, "Filiga" should be used as the middle name, I would have thought. Wikipeterproject (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tiny Tim Should Be Removed!

The Tiny Tim Should Be Removed!, There's No Tiny Tim, other than the one in A Christmas Carol! Really! So This Should Be Deleted!67.167.13.117 (talk) 17:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Position

I believe Cahill about two years ago used to play center midfield for Australia (back when Mark Viduka still played for us.)Center Midfield should be added to his list! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simba1409 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The template documentation says we should list "The player's most common position (as a player). If a player is known for playing in multiple roles then the author should elect which is the most significant and explain the point more fully within the article." As such, no more positions should be added to the infobox unless they are his most common position. Camw (talk) 07:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but if you watch him playing for Everton you will see he is more of a center midfield, going forward and backward with the play! I don't think he plays AMF for Everton, if anyone agrees?

Simba1409 (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What we think or see is not really relevant as it would be considered original research. All the information in an article has to be based on what reliable sources say his position is, for example his profile page on the Everton website, articles on the EPL website or newspaper stories about him and so on. If the sources support the central midfield description, then feel free to change it and explain why here or briefly in the edit summary. Camw (talk) 07:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both these websites don't give a actual midfield position http://www.evertonfc.com/player-profile/tim-cahill http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/2009Australia/default.aspx?s=aus_abroad_new&aaid=560

They both say midfielder, so I didn't edit anything. Should we just list him as midfielder?

Simba1409 (talk) 11:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking through some articles on Google News, most seem to either talk about him being an attacking midfielder or just a midfielder. I think it is okay as it is, and probably isn't worth spending large amounts of time discussing when there are lots of things to be fixed. I have no problem with you changing it to just midfielder if you think that is better, or changing it to one position per the quoted documentation. Camw (talk) 01:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FIFA 10

Should it be noted in the article that Tim Cahill is the first Australian to be on the box art of a FIFA game? I have no idea if include these sorts of things in articles!

(Also I put a capital 'M' on Attacking Midfielder as it looked weird without it) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simba1409 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was only for the Australian release but might be worth a quick mention as I remember it did get some news coverage on FourFourTwo and maybe elsewhere. Camw (talk) 01:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Playing style

I added a playing style!

Would someone like to add to this segment that I wrote, i needs more work.

Simba1409 (talk) 00:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is wrong with you people

Oh look that is poorly written I won't make it better I'll delete it! A short playing style is better than nothing seriously! Simba1409 (talk) 08:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dont give up. Portillo (talk) 10:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Samoa U-17 or U-20?

I'm confused about whether Cahill played for the Samoa U-17s or the U-20s when he was 14. I've read a few different articles and they seem to give conflicting information about this. One of the references on his page even suggests that he played twice for the U-20s and not just once. Can anybody clear this up? Christophee (talk) 00:15, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A question on an obscure fact

"the first official time in their history."

What does this mean? If it is a reference to Millwall reaching the war Time Cup where they lost to Chelsea then it would need to be expanded on. If it is not expanded on it adds nothing to the article as I doubt that everyone who comes to this article knows the history of Millwall. 86.42.17.30 (talk) 10:42, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This sports star appears when you click on the Massachusetts political Tim Cahill's link

That was annoying.

I was hoping to learn more about Massachusetts Independent Tim Cahill and instead was directed to a sports player's page. That's not Tom Cahill, I thought; no offense. However, readers don't appreciate having to go google Tim Cahill (the politician from Massachusetts) separately from Wiki because, supposedly, he has a Wiki Page. I am sorry for the irreverence, but this kind of error is frustrating to encounter.

Appreciation would be given to someone who might fix it.

Best wishes, LY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.255.160.18 (talk) 02:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you were looking for Tim Cahill (politician). When there is more than one person with the ame name, it is usual to use a small description (like "politician") in the title to disambiguate from the already existing article. You will also see a disambiguation link at the very top of the article, which will reditrect to a list of other people with the same name.

If you clicked on a link elsewhere in Wikipedia and got to the wrong Tim Cahill, that can be easily fixed by editting the link. If you did that and remember the article you linked from, I can fix it. Wikipeterproject (talk) 06:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed one incorrect link from United States gubernatorial elections, 2010. Maybe there are others? Wikipeterproject (talk) 06:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also fixed Massachusetts gubernatorial election, 2010 Wikipeterproject (talk) 06:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

His rugby league playing cousin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Stanley_(rugby_league) When you click on the link in the article it takes you to the golfer of that name whereas Kyle Stanley (Rugby League) is the page that you should be taken to. 86.45.62.58 (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

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The result of the move request was: moved per WP:BRD. Jenks24 (talk) 13:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Cahill (footballer) → Tim Cahill –

July move should be reversed. Page view statistics clearly indicate that the footballer is the primary topic (he receives about 20x more traffic than others). Move made without discussion. France3470 (talk) 16:11, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. Spc 21 (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Captain Clutch?

I've heard NY Red Bulls fans call him Captain Clutch. I'd like to know more about this nickname, what it means, when it came from etc. Sir Langan (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In American sports, a clutch goal/home run/basket is a late score that affects the result of a game. Cahill has scored a few such goals this season. A notable holder of this nickname is Derek Jeter, a baseball player who is known for scoring late home runs that have delivered wins for the NY Yankees. Hack (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found that really quite interesting. Might be worth adding to the page.Sir Langan (talk) 03:54, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Given the amount of players in American sport who are considered "clutch" or not "clutch" and the dispute among this see players like Lebron James and Michael Jordan as examples it might come across as a little tendentious, however If you can cite it and verify it, then feel free to add it to the article --Orestes1984 (talk) 07:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The nickname was mentioned a few times on the official club website. Not really sure it's significant enough at this point to be included. Hack (talk) 02:39, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

World Cup goal update request

The main editor/s of this page must update after Cahill's recent goal against Chile in the 2014 FIFA World CupNickGibson3900 (talk) 05:42, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

International Goals Update

Since the World Cup Qualifier against Jordan, the section reading "and scoring 45 goals for his country" in the introduction has become incorrect. In other parts of the article, it correctly states that he has scored 47 goals for his country, as does the "List of international goals scored by Tim Cahill" Wikipedia page. Rainbowzebra232 (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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