Talk:The Penelopiad

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Cover image

I've changed the book cover image to the Knopf Canada first edition cover, as Atwood is Canadian and Knopf Canada is listed as the publisher in the infobox (and ostensibly was the original publisher). I'm not sure what the standard for the image used in the infobox is, other than using first editions. I couldn't find any discussion about this so I've just been bold and done it myself. Please let me know if I've done something wrong. Mr. Absurd (talk) 03:31, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can confirm that is the cover for the trade paperback - the edition I have. I certainly like this image better. The previous one is from a hardcover edition, I believe. --maclean 03:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This cover was used for both the first edition hardcover (in Canada) and the paperback—the other image was the UK edition, which had a different image. Mr. Absurd (talk) 13:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on a second (opening paragraph)

Does anyone else find this line horribly phrased:

"In The Penelopiad, Penelope reminisces on the events during the Odyssey, life in Hades, and her relationships with her parents, Odysseus, and Helen"

Knowing the story, I can tell what it means. But to me that sounds like it's saying Odysseus and Helen are her parents. Wouldn't it read slightly better if written "her relationships with Odysseus, Helen and her parents"? If no one objects, I'll do just that. Prophaniti (talk) 10:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, go and do that. Xxanthippe (talk) 12:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC).[reply]

you should really google 'oxford comma'....get ready for a shitfest :) 145.90.183.24 (talk) 12:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Homer is the author of The Odyssey. In the Odyssey, and in the Penelopiad, Penelope is married to Odysseus. Twice in this stub Homer is mistakenly referred to as a character, specifically Penelope's husband, where is should actually be Odysseus. "Atwood uses material from The Odyssey to spin a yarn about how Penelope waited for twenty years for Homer to return, giving clues as to what she did to evade the suitors, did she collude with the maids to evade them, or did she herself fall for the suitors and betrayed Homer; and when he returned, got the maids killed to save herself."

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Split paragraph

I split the following paragraph at the sentence beginning with "[s]hortly" (footnotes and links removed):

"The novel recaps Penelope's life in hindsight from 21st century Hades; she recalls her family life in Sparta, her marriage to Odysseus, her dealing with suitors during his absence, and the aftermath of Odysseus' return. The relationship with her parents was challenging: her father became overly affectionate after attempting to murder her, and her mother was absent-minded and negligent. At fifteen, Penelope married Odysseus, who had rigged the contest that decided which suitor would marry her. Penelope was happy with him, even though he was mocked behind his back by Helen and some maids for his short stature and lesser developed home, Ithaca. The couple broke with tradition by moving to the husband's kingdom. In Ithaca, neither Odysseus' mother Anticleia, nor his nurse Eurycleia, liked Penelope but eventually Eurycleia helped Penelope settle into her new role and became friendly, but often patronising. Shortly after the birth of their son, Telemachus, Odysseus was called to war, leaving Penelope to run the kingdom and raise Telemachus alone. News of the war and rumours of Odysseus' journey back sporadically reached Ithaca and with the growing possibility that Odysseus was not returning an increasing number of suitors moved in to court Penelope. Convinced the suitors were more interested in controlling her kingdom than loving her, she stalled them. The suitors pressured her by consuming and wasting much of the kingdom's resources. She feared violence if she outright denied their offer of marriage so she announced she would make her decision on which to marry once she finished her father-in-law's shroud. She enlisted twelve maids to help her unravel the shroud at night and spy on the suitors. Odysseus eventually returned but in disguise. Penelope recognised him immediately and instructed her maids not to reveal his identity. After the suitors were massacred, Odysseus instructed Telemachus to execute the maids who he believed were in league with them. Twelve were hanged while Penelope slept. Afterwards, Penelope and Odysseus told each other stories of their time apart, but on the issue of the maids Penelope remained silent to avoid the appearance of sympathy for those already judged and condemned as traitors."

Could anyone please tell me if this was the right thing to do?--Thylacine24 (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's fine. maclean (talk) 04:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

'Tonkin' dead link is available archived

Wikipedia citations have become more and more consistent at the price of being more and more complicated. Perhaps someone familiar with the latest protocols for replacing dead links with archived versions would like to do so for the following reference (currently footnote 4): Tonkin, Boyd (2005-10-28), "Margaret Atwood: A personal odyssey and how she rewrote Homer", The Independent, retrieved 2008-03-09.

The article may be found at:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110317205834/https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/margaret-atwood-a-personal-odyssey-and-how-she-rewrote-homer-512771.html

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