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St Marinus

These article states that Marinus was a blacksmith but the article about San Marino states that he was a stonemason! And now, who is right or wrong?

I wonder whether it is ok to categorize him as Croatian saint since Croats haven't inhabited the country for next couple of hundreds of years. The same goes for Italian, there were Romans there at the time, not Italians. I suppose Roman saints or something would be much better. Any comments before I change the categories? --Tone 15:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He wasn't an ethnic Croat, but he was from what's now Croatia, much as someone can be French without being ethnically French. It's for ease of locating him more than anything.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was no Croatia at the time, either. He was Roman. Just the same as classifying an ethnic German from what is today Poland as a Pole - it would be inaccurate. Antman -- chat 07:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saying he wasn't a 'Croat' is not 100% correct, as the overwhelming majority of Croatian ancestry comes from indigenous population of the areas they inhabit. Despite this, the correct term to refer to Marin would be the term he and his fellow islanders from Rab would have called themselves prior to the formation of Croatian identity in the 6th century. That is either Liburnian or Dalmatian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.192.34.205 (talk) 06:20, 28 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sept 3?

It says Sept 4 is incorrect, but this version of the Roman Martyrology has him on Sept. 4. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 21:48, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy and Historical Sources

Shouldn't there be a section on the historical veracity of this figure and his founding of San Marino? Or mentions the historical sources where this tradition comes from or is based on? This is quite an incomplete article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.114.245 (talk) 21:40, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Important note: I did a bit of searching and here's the information I was able to scratch up. Since the reference works are not in English, I can't investigate them myself, but hopefully leaving the information here on this Talk Page will give others a lead to access the scholarly information regarding Saint Marinus and will be able to expand this page. A cursory check from myself found only one reliable source that can be found anywhere online that discuss this saints life or give any information regarding the ancient and medieval sources for his life -- the third refernece on this Wikipedia article (Miller's paper in the American Historical Review), and it dates to 1901.

Anyways, it was not easy but I was able to scratch up some of the obscure academic work on San Marino, which is a book called San Marino written in 1996 by scholars Adrian Edwards and Chris Michaelides, the book is the 188th volume of some series published by ABC-CLIO. A link to the book: https://kisslibrary.com/book/0F71248BDA6EB99274A2?utm_source=new-2409-reuse-2&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=newtraf&search=San Marino, Volume 188&x=521875 An epub of this book can also be downloaded here: https://epdf.tips/san-marino-volume-188.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.114.245 (talk) 01:45, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The book explains Marius's life (essentially explaining what's on this page) and here's some excerpts from the references it provides;

___ Il Santo Marino. (Saint Marinus.) Carlo Dolcini. In: Storia illustrata della Repubblica di San Marino. San Marino: AIEP, 1985, p. 77-92. bibliog. This work gives a summary of the legend of Saint Marinus, the Dalmatian stonecutter who sought peace and refuge on Mount Titano. His life is described in a number of manuscripts, the earliest of which dates from the tenth century. Legend has it that he lived in the fourth century but the author surveys recent scholarship and concludes that the sixth or seventh century is a more likely supposition. The controversy regarding the present location of the Saint's relics (it has been suggested that they are not in the Basilica of San Marino but that they were translated to Lombardy in Longobard times) is also examined. The article includes a list of all extant manuscripts of the Vita Sancti Marini and a bibliography and is profusely illustrated with colour plates of works depicting the Saint. (pg. 19)

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Letteratura popolare sammarinese. (San Marino popular literature.) Giuseppe Macina. Studi Sammarinesi, vol. 6 (1989), p. 101-18. This work is divided in two. The first part looks at traditional stories, giving an overview, examining content and style, and considering how the same story was told in different ways by different storytellers. Much of this section concentrates on the life and work of Walter Anderson who collected large numbers of stories, principally from school children, during his visits to the Republic in the 1920s and early 1930s. The second part looks at legends. Again, general characteristics and themes are described and the story of Saint Marinus is examined in detail. (pg. 73)

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Giuseppe Pelliconi. In: Storia illustrata della Repubblica di San Marino. San Marino: AIEP, 1985, p. 845-60. bibliog. Although it shares many elements with the customs and traditions of Romagna and Montefeltro, Sanmarinese folklore has its own characteristics. This article looks at folklore in its various manifestations, including local customs and traditions, ritual feasts, superstitions, and food. In particular, it examines the cycle of seasonal feasts and customs related to the Church and solar calendar, legends related to the history of the Republic (e.g. about Saint Marinus, Cardinal Alberoni, Napoleon, Garibaldi) or explaining its toponymy. It also looks at popular literature, in particular the work of Pietro Rossi (1804-79) whose poetry reflects the popular ideology of his time, and of Nino Lombardi (1901-87). (pg. 74)

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As you can tell, the references Edwards and Michaelides give are not in English, but French, so I'm unable to read them myself. These excerpts also explain some of our sources for Saint Marinus and so it might be possible to cite them directly to expand this page. I'm also going to add that I also found a page on Saint Marinus on WorldCat which lists the most well known scholarship on his life. Here's the page: https://www.worldcat.org/identities/lccn-nr94042512/ As it turns out, all of it is not in English (usually in Italian). This attests to the total dearth of information on this subject in the English language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.114.245 (talk) 22:47, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]