Talk:Right to resist

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Did you know... that 40 countries constitutionally recognize a right to resist the government under certain circumstances?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that 40 countries constitutionally recognize a right to resist the government? Source: Ginsburg et al., the list in the appendix
ALT0b ... that 40 countries constitutionally recognize a right to resist the government under certain circumstances?
- ALT1 ... that the right to resist provides "an ultimate remedy to human rights violations"?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Metra

Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 01:41, 21 May 2022 (UTC).[reply]

I've counted only 40 countries. And I wouldn't say it is always (or even usually) the right to resist the government. When a constitution gives the citizens the right to disobey a government that doesn't obey that very constitution, it is not the same as giving the right to randomly disobey the lawful government. For example, the Constitution of Azerbaijan says: "Every citizen of the Azerbaijan Republic has the right to independently show resistance to the attempt of a mutiny against the State or forced change of the constitutional order." So it actually asks the citizens to defend the government.
All that said, I think the hook in its current form is controversial. --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- A hook cannot give all information although certainly "under certain circumstances" does apply. (t · c) buidhe 04:56, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Okay, agreed, I am good with the ALT0b hook and certainly can appove it. (Sorry for the delay, btw.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - ALT0b is good to go.
    1. The article is long enough. It was created in draftspace on March 20‎, moved to mainspace on May 20 and promptly nominated. 2. ALT0b checks out, it is very interesting and would be a good addition to the main page. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Moscow Connection There is no ALT2, do you mean ALT0b or ALT1, or both? (t · c) buidhe 23:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. I meant ALT0b. As for ALT1, I hadn't noticed it and I think it is less interesting than ALT0b. (I'm glad I've returned. It has just came to me that the hook on the second line is ALT1. And what do I see? My mistake is even more embarrassing. Sorry, I took too much time off the DYK project and forgot everything.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hobbes on Resistance

It is not straightforwardly accurate to say that Hobbes thought there was no right of resistance. He certainly thought you had a duty of absolute obedience to your sovereign, but once that sovereign puts you into mortal danger, you have a right to resist them because you are only recognizing them as your sovereign in the first place because of the first law of nature, which (in cases of mortal peril) is mooted. See the chapter on Civil Laws in Leviathan. I believe a reference to Susanne Sreedhar's Hobbes on Resistance would be useful. ~~

The section on resistance vs terrorism is really bad

Why does it mention these random people by name when they are already in the citations? Why does it only talk about these specific perspectives when literally thousands of people have written on this subject? At no point does it actually offer any definition for how resistance and terrorism differ, ideally it could discuss how there is no universally accepted definition and offer different common ones. It could mention how terrorism has both been invoked in the past in cases of Algeria and Ireland. Hexifi (talk) 01:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:SOFIXIT (t · c) buidhe 06:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]