Talk:Rafael Benítez

Name of Rafa´s wife and other possible changes

Sorry, but I´m working with this article. The name of the wife is wrong. In the article says that she is named Maria del Montserrat. It´s only Montserrat. Another thing I don´t understand is adding (interim) in the info box (I don´t know if I´m calling this box in the right way, sorry)because his short time in Chelsea. I think that there is another examples of coaches that didn´t stay long in their teams and this adjective is not added in his info box, so...¿maybe there are a bad intention? I think it should be removed, at least from the box, maybe keeping the reference in the text to explain the critics. Sorry for my poor english, I hope you understand and I´ll wait for an answer. Many thanks MalachiConstante (talk) 10:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Again with the same subject, if someone can change the name of the wife of Rafa Benítez it would be great, thank you. Just notice that there are some data from a IMBD page, it´s innacurate. As I said before, her name is Monserrat. I have some sources to add: the official archive of NGO has the Montse Benítez Foundation data, the charity foundation lead by Monserrat Seara. You can check this in the tab named 'People' in this official link: http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1143670&subid=0

Also, in the tab named 'Documents' there are official papers with her name. Links to spanish news talking about her: http://www.libertaddigital.com/chic/corazon/2015-06-04/quien-es-montserrat-seara-mujer-de-rafa-benitez-1276549691/ http://www.laregion.es/articulo/ourense/montserrat-seara/20150725221905557828.html

I will wait for an answer if my demand it´s reasonable. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalachiConstante (talk • contribs) 17:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Rafa in Guardamar?

The info in Senior career have a mistake, Rafa never played for Guardamar on loan. This should be erased, you can check his career in his website, for example, and there isn´t any Guardamar team in 1981: http://www.rafabenitez.com/web/in/background/career/1/11/ Could be erased? Thanks MalachiConstante (talk) 09:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Leaves Inter?

The article refers multiple times to Benitez "leaving" Inter which seems to imply that he left by choice. It also completely fails to mention that he was fired due to poor performance and a poor attitude toward to board. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.241.216 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Best manager?

According to football pundit Tohari Paijan, Rafael Benitez is at present the best manager in the Premiership[1]. Is this worth keeping in the article? If no-one disagrees, I'll remove it... NuclearFunk 17:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't have thought so. I removed it when it was first inserted, but it was put back in. Frankly, where LFC are concerned, I would have expected quotes from closer pundits than one in Singapore! -- Arwel (talk) 18:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed it, so now let's just wait and see what happens. I don't see any justification for that quote belonging there... Perhaps in LFC's article-section concerning their popularity...NuclearFunk 18:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[Name: Jimmy Sogbesan] Well according to the tables it is clear that the best manager is Jose Mourinho. But when you match the available personnel against the monies that have been expended and then look at the achievement of the team, both Sam Allardyce and Rafa rank above Jose in my opinion. Far above Jose.

Re-edit

In response to requests for better article, I have written a more extensive account of Rafa's career. Hope u approve. User Djln--Djln 22:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Comment on quality of Rafael Benitez' management

The problem with this being that Benitez isn't a quality manager anyway, so no-one in Italy actually wanted him.. This comment sounds like personal opinion. Should it be kept in the article? This paragraph also referred to Liverpool as RS, which is an abbreviation for a derogratory term for Liverpool frequently used by Everton supporters, which I have corrected. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.229.142.47 (talk) 21:25, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

What is the purpose of this sentence at the leading paragraph: Of the fourteen players used in the 2005 UEFA Champions League Final, twelve were at Liverpool when Benítez arrived. is irrelevant or may be to be fit on a trivia section Jor70 18:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

• This shows that Rafa can successfully manage any set of players and not just a group he put together. It demonstrate his abilty as a football manager and is therefore relevant. Djln --Djln 21:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Is too much made of his scouting ability? Xabi Alonso for example was linked with moves to both Manchester United and Real Madrid in the season before came to Liverpool, so he can't really be classed as a find. Similarly Walcot and Bale - both were well known to virtually all top managers in the PL and it was clearly Soton who spotted them first. Probably should be removed.

Fabio Aurelio should probably be removed from the list of scouted players he is not a young player and rafa didn't need to scout him as he had already had him in his valencia team.

Some one has added about kelly coming from the academy to the first team, he didnt play at all under benitez and so should be removed from the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.192.185 (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Age, description, and everything else in the first paragraph

Rafael Kennedy Benítez Maudes (born 1991, Madrid, Spain) is a Spanish football manager and former player. He is a short, round and fat boy, who was an unaccomplished football player.He broke the record during the 2007/2008 season by scoring 100 own goals in professional matches. In February, he fell down as he tried to kick a ball, first time in 10 years.

Someone's clearly messed with this page, but I don't have the facts to put the right information in. I'd take a guess that he isn't 16 though. BlackbeltMage 06:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like vandalism to me... reverted Vanoord 08:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Some prick (I don't apologise for calling them that) has been messing about with the page again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.44.92 (talk) 00:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

2006/7 Season

Tidied up somewhat to try and make it a bit more coherent. The Real Madrid speculation doesn't really fit, so I've moved it into its own section - although I'm not sure deletion wouldn't be the best thing for it.

The focus of the season looks like being the Champions League, so that has been left in detail and the remainder made a bit more concise. Comments about Everton being a 'small club' are old news and not really of any note. Vanoord 18:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The Beard

Why on earth was my peice on Rafa's new beard deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.212.35.158 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 1 July 2007

Ignoring the relevance of the section, surely it would make sense to make it accurate considering the beard was seen about a week before the Torres signing when Sissoko signed his new contract? LFC.tv. Tarff 15:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Rafa's Height

The column on the right says he's 5' 7", that can't be right surely? (Dunno how to sign, sorry, erm 10.30ish pm/Sep 11th 2007/Emma. Will that do?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.250.14 (talk) 21:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture of Benítez

The picture of Rafael, I find hilarious. Is it really the best picture of him available to wikipedia or was it choosen by one of his enemies? :) 89.129.188.41 19:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7252400.stm & http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/liverpool/7251312.stm are worthy of inclusion. I am hesitant to work them into the article as other edits have been reverted.Londo06 13:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what the first one has to do with Benitez. As for talk about his commitment to the club: media talk about managerial jobs happens weekly; why should Benitez' article become the exception that has to mention it? If you don't like the guy, that's fine, but he's still the manager of Liverpool. - Dudesleeper / Talk 15:25, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Photo 5 "Reds boss Rafael Benitez is under pressure as his team chase their last chance of silverware"Londo06 16:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The BBC have the right to their opinion, as do you, but it doesn't mean it belongs in a Wikipedia article. Until the Liverpool board state that his job is under pressure, you should move on from the subject. - Dudesleeper / Talk 06:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Protection

I do believe it's time to spoil the broken-record IP user's fun and protect the article for the foreseeable. - Dudesleeper / Talk 14:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Valencia section needs a bit more

I normally resign myself to a degree of recentism. The last few seasons are always likely to have more content, and if it's true and well sourced I'm not against it. HOWEVER, the article uses less than a line to describe Valencia's European double season. I don't (necessarily) think the Liverpool sections need trimming, but there needs to be some perspective here. That was his second biggest achievement (after 2005 of course). 82.5.72.161 (talk) 20:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Benitez trying to buy the Premier League

Should the article not include something on this? Benitez has spent more money than any other manager over the past 4 years, bar Mourinho. He's spent almost £200m on players. I think this should definitly get a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.20.133 (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a source for it? --Ged UK (talk) 06:11, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

This factoid, even if true is largely irrelevant as it's more significant how much the club has spent rather than any specific manager. The figure seems inflated even if the higher price thresholds of undisclosed deals such as Mascherano and Torres are taken into account. Besides, I can't believe that he's spent more than Ferguson either in light of Carrick/Rooney/Hargreaves/Berbatov/Nani/Anderson et al. Also, the term "trying to buy the premier league" is a little ridiculous as Chelsea and Manchester United have spent far more on their first teams anyway: A point underlined by Liverpool's inability to match the success of their rivals. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 11:14, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

"Should the article not include something on this? Benitez has spent more money than any other manager over the past 4 years, bar Mourinho. He's spent almost £200m on players. I think this should definitly get a mention. "

It's a factoid, that's not even true. United, Chelsea, Spurs, Man City have all spent more since 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.68 (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Outburst changed to comments please

The comments made by Benitez in his interview regarding Alex Ferguson are not an outburst as described, they were comments

Definition of an outburst = A sudden, violent display, of activity or emotion

The comments were neither sudden or violent, so I would request the word Outburst changed to comments to maintain factuality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.25.157.153 (talk) 19:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done Though they were rather sudden, and the vitriol could certainly be described as violent, but it is a rather biased word. --Ged UK (talk) 20:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The remarks were very sudden and largely unprompted. He was shaking. The tone of his voice sounded very emotional. Outburts dont require physical violence. His rant sounded like an outburst to me. Although 'bizzare rant' is probably more appropriate. 129.11.76.229 (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Bizarre is a very POV word, it's a matter of opinion whether it was bizarre or not. And it was hardly unprompted, he had a piece of paper with the information on when he came to the press conference. --Ged UK (talk) 13:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I think "outburst" usually carries negative connotations anyway, I'm thinking of tabloid style uses: "Swearing outburst/"Racist outburst"/"Nazi outburst"/"Violent outburst". While Benitez's comments were unusual, especially for him, I think using "outburst" may be getting carried along with the tabloid reporting of the event and so-called "mind games". Even the opinion pieces of more perceptive parts of the press recognize this as such. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 13:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

The entire section reads in a very negatively slanted manner. The addition of an opinionated 'disputation', "damaging" to the ManU v Chelsea decision and even the first sentence seems off using the terms 'attacked Ferguson' and referring to Manchester United as "United".

Then be bold and change what you don't like. That's what wikipedia is all about! --Ged UK (talk) 17:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The Whole "Rant" bit is Point of View, and not welcome in an encyclopedic page. To United fans, it was a rant. To Liverpool fans, it was a "rallying cry" yada yada yada/

He criticised Ferguson. That's the only fact —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.128.223.68 (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Family?

Has he got a brother called Steve? Seems coincidental that Steve Benitez managed to win Danny Blanchett a surprise trial at Liverpool?--EchetusXe (talk) 14:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Title Challengers and runners-up

I'm sorry? Liverpool did finish 2nd didn't they. They were the closest challengers to Manchester United therefore they were title challengers in the 2008-09 season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.47.2.163 (talk) 18:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

The use of title challengers is a point of view, not a fact, thus rv by WP:NPOV. Jw2035 (talk) 09:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

What are you saying Manchester United had no title challengers then? Every single sport ie: ESPN, Sky Sports, BBC, ITV every single sport website, channel have said or written liverpool WERE title challengers. That is a fact not a point of view. Otherwise why bother to do wikipedia pages of premier league tables, seasons, statistics etc..... 82.47.2.163 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

anyway you can't have a season where no-one challenged for the league table except one club, Liverpool were top with 3 weeks to go of the Premier League campaign. If that isn't a challenge I don't know what is. 82.47.2.163 (talk) 09:21, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Sabotage

Edited it out. Boils (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

2009-2010 section

"Despite the capture of England right-back Glen Johnson from Portsmouth, who made an encouraging start to the season after a £18.5 million move,[30] the money gained from the sale of Alonso and other fringe players was less than Benítez' expenditure. This prompted discontent amongst considerable sections of the club's fanbase who believed Benitez was not being backed sufficiently in the transfer market"

I'm guessing it meant to say transfer income was more than transfer expenditure as the two sentences seem at odds with each other? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.240.121 (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

any chance of an update on this section? latest info is november! 81.96.242.64 (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Should not be called failure and sacking, he won liverpool the Champions League and took them to 2 finals in his time, more than any other liverpool manager has achieved in over 20 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.92.166.251 (talk) 12:23, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 November 2011

Link to Rafael Benitez career management stats at www.liverpool-kop.com is now dead & can/should be removed

94.8.46.212 (talk) 02:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The link was not dead just redirected to a newer post which I have now linked to. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 May 2012

Can someone please add some paragraph breaks. The current layout is awful!!

86.180.184.28 (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

• Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Where do you think line breaks should be added? The current layout doesn't seem too evidently unreadable. Salvidrim! 03:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Reaction of Chelsea fans

May I suggest a "Reaction of Chelsea fans" segment. Never before have so many fans been so angry at the appointment of a manager of their club. Within 24 hours of its creation a "Say no to Rafa" facebook group has 70 000 members who are planning a march against him before his first match. This really should be mentioned as it is a milestone in English football. He has slated off Chelsea fans in the past and will not be welcomed at the club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.217.237.168 (talk) 17:34, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 December 2012

Please add Benitez's first win as a Chelsea manager in the Premier League(3-1 against Sunderlan at The Stadium of Light) http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20564679 --Rhic Chowdhury (talk) 12:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC) Rhic Chowdhury (talk) 12:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 15:02, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 April 2013

Please correct Benitez's career record total. The numbers in the "league", "domestic", "europe" etc. records do not add up to his "total" record. His career winning % should be above 50.06% - you can tell this because each of his records in individual categories is between 53% and 61%.

Edit request on 15 May 2013

Please change the word 'interm' in the following line:

On 27 February 2013, following Chelsea's 2–0 victory at Middlesbrough in the FA Cup fifth-round, Benítez heavily criticised the Chelsea board for giving him the title of "interm manager" and the Chelsea fans for their protests against him. He also confirmed that he would be leaving the club at the end of the season.[68]

to 'interim' because this is the term that was used, as can be seen in the link (68) and in other areas of the article. I believe the original was a typo. Damonli91 (talk) 23:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Done - with this edit. Thank you for pointing it out. Begoon ^talk 00:25, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Opening sentence

I have twice reverted this edit. The first sentence should give his professional occupation, which is a football manager - and then go on to say that he is a former player. The second sentence should then give the detail of his current employment. The suggested edit gets the balance the wrong way round. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

3RR

@Ghmyrtle: Most pages about managers say the same as what I put in the article, that's why I put it there. TeaLover1996 Lets talk about it 22:23, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I doubt it. Anyway, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a good argument. And, even if you think it is, you should not edit war. If you are reverted, you should discuss on the talk page - WP:BRD. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

@Ghmyrtle: @Qed237: If you look at articles about managers you will see TeaLover1996 Lets talk about it 22:30, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

@TeaLover1996:. Please address the points raised in my original post, above. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:57, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Rafael vs Rafa

Can we discuss this move by User:Tiller54? I see that WP:COMMONNAME issued as the rationale for this move, but as far as I can tell, English-language media use "Rafael" on first mention. "Rafa" is used sometimes in headlines, where brevity is preferred, but not in body text. I'd like to revert the article back to Rafael but want to make sure there aren't objections. Mosmof (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

This page move is controversial and should not have been ade without a requested move (in my opinion). I am also most used to Rafael in media and that is his actual name. I support the move back and if the editor wants it moved to "Rafa" a WP:RM should be made. QED237 (talk) 23:02, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Here's an unscientific, but telling breakdown of who uses "Rafa" vs "Rafael":

• Official sites exclusively use “Rafael”
  • SSC Napoli official site
  • UEFA.com
  • Liverpool F.C.

• Some outlets use exclusively "Rafael" as well
  • The Guardian
  • ESPN FC
  • BBC

• Some outlets that use exclusively “Rafa”
  • Mirror

• Other outlets that use both
  • Express uses both ‘Rafael’ and ‘Rafa’
  • As does Sky Sports: [1] and [2]
  • ‘Telegraph’ uses “Rafa” in headline, “Rafael” in body

What this tells me is that both "Rafael" and "Rafa" may be acceptable as WP:COMMONNAME, but it's hard to argue that "Rafa" is more common than "Rafael". Mosmof (talk) 03:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 17 March 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved as requested to restore un-discussed move that changed a title stable for 9 years. An RM to discuss move to "Rafa" would be acceptable at this time. Mike Cline (talk) 13:10, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Rafa Benítez → Rafael Benítez – Should not have been moved to current title without discussion in the first place. "Rafael Benitez" outnumbers "Rafa Benitez" in Google News searches. While some publications use both names, more major publications use "Rafael" exclusively than do "Rafa". --Relisted. Sunrise (talk) 09:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC) Mosmof (talk) 19:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose Publications use variants for different reasons, I think the more important question would be what do people know him as and call him when it's part of a discussion, as well as what his friends and players call him outside of coach, as far as I am aware, the use of Rafa is much more common than his full given name. I also think the fact that he identifies himself as Rafa on his own website really seals the deal for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WildWikiGuy (talk • contribs) 00:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

No, we definitely shouldn't be using what do people know him as and call him when it's part of a discussion, as well as what his friends and players call him outside of coach as criteria. Michael Jordan's friends call him "Mike", but he's known as "Michael" in public life so we have an article titled Michael Jordan. We use John F. Kennedy, not "Jack". That he calls himself "Rafa" on his official site matters, but only to an extent. Mos Def wants people to call him "Yasiin Bey", but until they do, he's stuck with the same Wikipedia article title.

Also, a Google News search fo Rafael Benitez returns 121,000 results while Rafa Benitez returns about 70,000. There's some squishiness because a search for "Rafa Benitez" also returns "Rafael Benitez" and the shorter "Rafa" is sometimes preferred in headlines, but as I mentioned above, Rafael-exclusive appears to outnumber Rafa-exclusive. Mosmof (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2015

| manageryears10 = 2013– 2015 |managerclubs10 = Napoli IsmettL (talk) 09:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Not done Do you have any source confirming he has actually left? Qed237 (talk) 12:15, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2016

Rafa Benitez has been sacked as Real Madrid manager

106.51.31.74 (talk) 19:05, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done. Kante4 (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

edit request

Buoyed by the Club World Cup victory, he told the European champions to back him with new signings or consider whether they wanted to keep him as coach, despite the side having won the treble only a few months earlier.

This needs to be changed, it is simply trying to imply that Rafa had won the treble, he didnt, it was Mourinho. Weasel words and pov, change or delete please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.236.49 (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2017

I would like to edit the managerial statistics Lillico30 (talk) 10:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — IVORK _Discuss 10:45, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2017

LoveVanPersie (talk) 05:21, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

The Spanish pronunciation should be Spanish pronunciation: [rafaˈel ˈrafa βeˈnit̪eθ̟ ˈmauðes].

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2017

LoveVanPersie (talk) 08:43, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

[2] should be a note rather than a reference.

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 12:28, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

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Yifang to Professional

Shouldn't all mentions of Dalian Yifang be changed to the clubs current name Dalian Professional?

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2023

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 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)