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GA Review

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Nominator: Darth Stabro (talk · contribs) 04:06, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: HistoryTheorist (talk · contribs) 00:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Hey, I am interested in reviewing this article. If you are able, I would like to be able to access the paywalled sources, but I understand if you can't give me access. Will start reviewing soon. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you send me your email address via the Wikipedia email form, I can send you PDFs of the relevant pages. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 01:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thanks! I will most likely send you substantive comments over the weekend. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 01:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Real life has not given me much opportunities to review in earnest, I'm hoping to have comments by the end of this week. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! I totally understand! ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 03:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Initial comments

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  • You might want to leave an in-line citation for Ryan's retirement date.
  • Perhaps change the wording Only briefly a parish priest after his ordination for the Archdiocese of Saint Paul in 1927? It makes it sound like Ryan was a priest and then quit to become part of the Army.
  • This isn't super relevant to the GA-worthiness of the article, I think that it will likely pass, but the manual of style advises using MDY format (e.g. December 3, 1902) instead of DMY format. I would recommend changing the dates to that format and adding a {{use mdy dates}} template to automatically switch the MDY format in citations.
Whoops you're right! You can change it back to DMY if you want! This is my first military biography review so thanks for pointing that out. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to be really hit or miss - Jim Mattis is mdy, but Douglas MacArthur is dmy. I'll just leave it as it is. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 13:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • You might also want to write out the abbreviations in the image captions, as not everybody will be easily able to pick up what MG stands for.

Source Check

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@Darth Stabro:, Thank you for sending me sources to my email! This aspect of the GA review might take awhile as I am waiting for The Wikipedia Library is currently reviewing my application for newspapers.com access. Although I will not check all of the sources listed, it might take a while for me to access the ones I do want to verify. I want to be transparent about the review's progress, so thank you for your patience as I slowly work through sourcing. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 20:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it looks like you used the padlock to indicate newspapers.com access, I can technically review all the sources thanks to the email. May try to complete sooner, depending on what real life allows me to accomplish. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the meantime:

  • I'm looking through source #7, and you might want to add some biographical details found in the last paragraph, specifically the brief mention about Fr. Ryan's time in the Hawaii and other activities mentioned there. Would be an interesting addition to the article, especially that he helped with organizing the first chaplain corps for the Brazilian army.
  • Sadly I can't find anything about when the Brazilian military training happened, so I'm not sure where to put it. Given that the source was published in March 1946, it seems like it'd have to be before World War II but I'm just not sure where it should be placed. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 02:55, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alrighty then, it was worth a shot, especially since he did receive decorations from the Brazilian army, most likely in helping them organize Brazil's chaplain corps. Will keep my eye on the lookout if I find anything ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 03:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  • Question: Source #7 indicates that Fr. Ryan received a Bronze Medal of Valor with star from Italy. I'm not super familiar with military awards, but is this part of the Order of the Crown of Italy?
  • checkY Sourcing from #7 checks out, pending comments you have responded to. I would recommend adding the Brazilian decoration to the awards and decorations section, and would enjoy seeing some info about his work in Brazil, but won't make a big deal about it for GA.
  • checkY source #1 mostly checks out
    • On further review, I do not see where you are getting his mother's full name and his father's name from the listed source. I could be straining my eyes and could have missed something.
It's also possible that it's in the Internet Archive source, which sadly is still down right now... ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 13:35, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • checkY source #16 checks out, especially the quote. Don't know if you need ellipsis if you are quoting Fr. Ryan's words directly though.

Review Progress

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:31, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chaplain Ryan, c. 1937
Chaplain Ryan, c. 1937
  • Source: "Cardinal Presides At Historic Service In Liberated Rome". The Nebraska Register. June 18, 1944. Retrieved 30 July 2024.
Improved to Good Article status by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

~Darth StabroTalkContribs 00:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hi Darth Stabro, review follows: article promoted to GA on 3 November; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the sources in a spot check; hook fact is interesting, stated in article and supported by citations (I note one source says "almost 10,000" and one says "more than 10,000" so I think you are OK just stating 10,000); a QPQ has been carried out; my only query is on the image: do you have confirmation that it is a work of a US military person, I couldn't see anything in the source? It is likely to be the case but we should confirm - Dumelow (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Howdy Dumelow, the photographer is a historical researcher and I can't imagine where else it would be from other than an official photo; however you're right, it's not 100%, and I don't have the time to try to confirm it this week - probably best to do it without the photo. ~Darth StabroTalkContribs 14:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Darth Stabro, no worries. Happy to approve to run without image - Dumelow (talk) 14:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]