Talk:Patriarch of Jerusalem

Comments

The beginning of this list doesn't match the one found at e.g. www.jerusalem-patriarchate.org (although this too seems to contain errors.) Does anyone know of any high-quality source for a more complete list? --Valentinian 11:18, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

GREEK

The Title must be : GREEK ORTHODOX PATRIARCH OF JERUSALEM.

So, pls correct it!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.73.46.160 (talk • contribs)

I don't think anybody doubts that Theofilos III is a Greek, but I thought that "Greek" wasn't part of his official title? We should also keep in mind that this list extends back almost to the time of Christ and the first persons on the list would have been referred to "only" as bishops or patriarchs. Does anybody know for sure what his official title is? Valentinian ^{T / C} 23:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The title is: Ελληνορθόδοξο Πατριαρχείο Ιεροσολύμων (GREEK ORTHODOX PATRIARCHATE OF JERUSALEM)

Αρχιγραμματέας: ο Αρχιεπίσκοπος Kωνσταντίνης Αρίσταρχος

Διεύθ.: Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of JERUSALEM, P.O. Box 19 632, Tel. & Fax: 282.048

Well, this page says otherwise and agrees with the original move and is the official page:[1]. We are sometimes forced to use an adjective in Wikipedia to describe various heads of religion - for example "The Roman Catholic Bishop of Orlando" but nobody within the religion uses the initial description.Student7 (talk) 12:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

PHOTOGRAPH

The photograph of the reenactment of the Passion on the Via Dolorosa refers to a Roman Catholic practice, not a Greek Orthodox one. Perhaps it should be moved to the article Jerusalem in Christianity instead. -- Horatio325 1:22, 27 May 2008

I agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.188.148 (talk) 22:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Move

The Greek Patriarch of Jerusalem has been moved here for the following reasons:

1. He is the Bishop for the native population of the region;
2. Other patriarchs represent either external churches or minority residents;
3. There is already a disambiguation page noting the historical uses of the term;
4. This article is what is normally meant by "Patriarch of Jerusalem', ie what a reader would normally expect to find under this title;
5. Meats wiki MOS criteria and convention.

Ad.minster (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Well you can't move it the way you did, you've ruined the history of two pages. I've undone that. Furthermore I do not think this meets the criteria, since he is not the only patriarch. Adam Bishop (talk) 00:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Copied from Talk:Patriarch of Jerusalem (disambiguation)

This is the contents of the talk page for the disambiguation page, which has now been moved to the undisambiguated title; this was a proper move as the undisambiguated title cannot be redirected to only one claimant per Wikipedia's fundamental neutrality policy.

Bishop of Jerusalem

Because "Bishop of Jerusalem" redirects here, this page should at least mention the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem, who legitimately bears that title. Tb (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. Done! Ad.minster (talk) 00:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Greek is unambiguated?

How on earth did "Patriarch of Jerusalem" come to disambiguate to the Greek Patriarch? There are active Latin and Armenian Patriarchates and congregations there. Hardly seems NPOV. --Jfruh (talk) 03:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely and totally. I've changed the "Bishop of Jerusalem" and "Patriarch of Jerusalem" redirects to point here. To do otherwise is a violation if the NPOV policy. (Actually, the disambiguation page should be moved to the un-disambiguated title.) oknazevad (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 10:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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Patriarch of Jerusalem → Patriarch of Jerusalem (disambiguation) – Treat the Greek Orthodox Patriarch as the primary meaning. He is leader of what is, in the context of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, by far the largest church which has a Patriarch of Jerusalem. The only other church of comparable size, the Melkites, do not have a priest known by this title. His "demotion" from primary meaning appears to be based on a misunderstanding of WP:NPOV policy, since we recognize the head of the Roman Catholic church as the primary meaning of Pope, even though other churches use this title. PatGallacher (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose The nominator has not taken into account the historical aspects of the question, considering only the present-day sizes of the churches. The other patriarchs have "enduring notability" and "educational value" per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. ^walk victor falk ^talk 03:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose I would think the Armenian one is most likely of the Patriarchs listed. -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 04:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose Unlike Pope, there's not an overwhelming primary usage here. oknazevad (talk) 04:06, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Reply The Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria also has enduring notability, and there may be education value in informing people that the head of the RC church is not the only Pope, but nobody is proposing to change the primary meaning. In that case, surely the crucial issue is that the RC church is the largest Christian denomination. PatGallacher (talk) 16:30, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
  • No, the crucial issue is that the vastly overwhelming majority of general, independent, reliable English-language sources use the undisambiguated term "Pope" to refer to the Roman one , establishing that as the primary topic in te English language. Now that may be because the RCC is the largest Christian body in the world, but we're not here to speculate on the reasons, just follow what the sources do. The same cannot be said about the Patriarch(s) of Jerusalem, as which patriarch is referred to depends on the context of the writer and audience. In short, there is no overwhelming primary topic. oknazevad (talk) 18:30, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree with above oknazevad's statement, and I oppose the request of move for the same reasons.A ntv (talk) 21:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. Although the Greek Patriarch certainly leads the largest church, I really don't think there is a primary topic here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProjects

Regarding this revert by Johnbod of WikiProject Catholicism. Does this disambiguation page only pertain to WikiProject Christianity and WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Church, and if so why not also WikiProject Catholicism? Without a reply with arguments to this inquiry, I am going to assume that this was a mistake and try to reinstate it. PPEMES (talk) 11:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation_dos_and_don'ts#Project_banners_on_disam_talk_pages. Johnbod (talk) 12:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. The way I regard the conclucion of that discussion, there is no reason not to include WikiProject Catholicism here above. It "is actually good [...] to show up in the article alerts". I therefore aim to reinstate it, should you not come up with new arguments against it. PPEMES (talk) 13:12, 16 August 2019 (UTC)