Talk:Marble

Old comments

Having verified the etymology with the OED, I removed these comments from the article:

If this can be verified, it should stay.

Partridge has "marmaros," large stone or boulder, influenced by "marmarein," to glimmer or shine. Does etymology belong here at all?

-- Heron

Catherine moved this unsigned comment to talk page:

This can and should stay provided more details are provided. For example, the folklore of which folk, exactly? Rocks and minerals aren't really all that intrinsically interesting to most people (I *am* a geologist), folklore, history and cultural traditions are important.

isn't marble also used for countertops and tile? -jubjubbirdgal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.181.96.43 (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Picture

How about a picture of the Venus de Milo? 128.6.176.51 21:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC) ian is cool

Copyedit

After the recent changes, this article is in very desperate need of a copyedit. I don't know enough about marble to do one, though. Anyone game? 71.141.248.13 05:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Moved the section to Stones of India and fixed a bit. Vsmith 11:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Should there not be mention of the term "marble" for cheeses and cakes for instance? The disambiguation page makes no reference to these usages of the term either. 74.101.199.53 04:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Demand is a US Dept of Interior (Bureau of Mines) term for an apparent consumption in tons that excludes processing losses and sometimes includes changes in stocks.Bmhtayl 20:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Calcium oxide

It says in the article that marble can be reduced to calcium oxide. Since reduction has a specific meaning for chemists, and considering the process has a specific name (calcination), wouldn't it be more accurate to say the marble can be calcinated to form calcium oxide, also know as lime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.74.122 (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Origin

Doesn't marble come from limestone, dolostone and older marble? Eh, but what does the unregistered user know? -unrgsrd

Thank you kind editors, I have tried to fix up this article and add my point to it, and did a very crude job. Much better

Origins

"Dolostone" should be replaced by "dolomite rock" according to the article "dolostone". Dr Thermo (talk) 19:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Types

In the distinctly humdrum list ("Brown marble" etc) there are no mentions of Giallo di Siena, Verde Antico, or French names used in furnishings (commode tops, chimneypieces, etc) that include Breche violette, bleu turquin, etc. The origin of the white marblke used is an aid in connoisseurship of Greek and Roman sculpture. Much is missing here.--Wetman (talk) 23:06, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

What about (Nero) Marquino/Marquina marble? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.225.224 (talk) 10:03, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

uhhh...no

I removed the statement: "Marble is also used in coolers and kitchen construction because it stays 5°C (9°F) cooler than the air that surrounds it at room temperature and pressure." because it is unscientific garbage. It had two references: one to a Yahoo Answers post by someone named "dunrobin46" and one to a comment by someone named "matilda" on a commercial site for a marble wine cooler. I removed those references. Marble feels cold for the same reason that metal and water feel cold. It is much better than air at transferring heat away from your skin. Go ahead and store your marble wine cooler at room temperature and expect it to cool your bottle. Your neighbor will store theirs someplace cold and will have chilled wine. You won't. Flying Jazz (talk) 22:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Age of marble

IF marble comes from (metamorphosized) limestone... AND IF limestone comes from the calcium carbonate shells & hard-parts of (mostly marine) organisms... AND IF shells & skeletons only evolved, on Earth, 550 Mya, during the Cambrian Explosion... THEN does that mean, that the oldest marbles, are at most that age??? Marble = Post-Cambrian???66.235.26.150 (talk) 09:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Not all limestone comes from the shells of living things, it can be precipitated directly from the water of lakes or seas under the right conditions, e.g. travertine, so precambrian limestones, and therefore marbles, are possible. Mikenorton (talk) 09:53, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Also, in the precambrian stromatolites formed limestone going back at least to the Archaean, about 2.7 Ga (2700 million years ago) according to our article. Mikenorton (talk) 10:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC

Would the high CO2 content in the Precambrian hinder limestone and marble petrogenesis? --97.123.33.79 (talk) 00:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Safe way to clean marble?

Can anyone add information on the adverse effects (if any) of using washing-up liquid and water to clean polished white-grey marble? Will the marble loose its lustre and polish, and become duller with a rough surface? Is there a safe method to clean and disinfect marble without damaging it? Wsmss (talk) 13:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Geology

As a rock in geology, I am surprised there is almost nothing in this article explaining it. We could start by adding material from this article written by someone with a Ph.D. I have no doubt there are plenty of other easily available high quality sources to write at least a paragraph on how the rock is formed. --David Tornheim (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Photo Greek quarry

Since the word marble is Greek and the most famous ancient buildings were made with marble from Athens, could someone add a photo from the quarry of Penteli?

Onoufrios d (talk) 20:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2018

In section "about"... This article is about the rock. For the toy, see Marble (toy). For other uses, see Marble (disambiguation). Add the reference to Marble KDE Edu (software part of GNU/Linux) Adramesc (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done That's what the disambiguation page is for - Marble (toy) is only mentioned, because it a very common alternative. Mikenorton (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Macedonia

change ((Macedonia)) to ((Republic of Macedonia|Macedonia)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4500:1760:dd3f:3870:e6a5:1739 (talk) 14:34, 1 September 2018‎ (UTC)

 Done General Ization ^Talk 14:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Does "Murphy marble" exist?

Looking up "murphy marble" and "white murphy marble" on Google gets repeated hits on the Murphy marble belt, or the Murphy Marble Company in Chicago. The only ref I can find to white murphy marble is in the United States Geological Survey, but that is for North/South Carolina, not Georgia as the article currently indicates. I hope someone can find a reference for white marble from northern Georgia being called "Murphy marble"; if not I will come back around asking for the variety to be removed from the article. 2601:194:380:1320:E9F5:9BBE:5978:2D9D (talk) 16:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

References

The old Geolex in book form (Lexicon of Geologic Names in United States) mentions the occurrence of the Murphy Marble in Georgia here on page 2660. Mikenorton (talk) 08:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I also found a map showing the extent of the Murphy Marble here - see figure 2 (which you can look at on Google Images here), which shows that the Murphy Marble extends a long way into Georgia. Mikenorton (talk) 09:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

"Wood Vein Marble" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Cipolin" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2020

The information given in this section is not real. As trade statistics of the International Trade Center, Turkey is the biggest producer and exporter of marble. According to HS code 2515 which includes all kinds of marble, Turkey dominated the world market with 9 percentage of export. Which Italy following turkey with just  share.

I read this article because I am making a market search about marble and definitely I am shocked that I don't see any word about Turkey. China is a current importer on marble sector but in this article, you mention China as a producer which is also false.

Best Regards 88.239.2.143 (talk) 12:46, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:12, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

You're right, it appears that Turkey is the world's largest exporter of marble - see here. The data in the article is 20 years out-of-date. The Comtrade table doesn't of course tell us about actual production. I would be very surprised if China wasn't a producer, but they are clearly no longer one of the largest exporters. I note that Italy is both the second largest exporter and the third largest importer of marble and we know nothing about Italy's consumption of marble, so these figures don't help at all with global production. I've added the top 3 exporters and importers using that source, but I've not found anything yet that gives global production figures. Mikenorton (talk) 16:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

"White marble" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect White marble. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 00:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Merge from Ruin marble

I propose merging Ruin marble into Marble. This is a short stub article that is unlikely to be expanded.--beefyt (talk) 14:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

• Definitely do not add to "Marble." "Ruined Marble" is a subtopic of Liesegang Structures/Rings and should be added to that page with a reference to "Serra, M., A. Borghi, L. Mariano Gallo, R. Hovoric, and G. Vaggelli. 2010. Petrographic features, genesis and provenance of Pietra Paesina collections of the Regional Museum of Natural Sciences on Turin, Italy. Periodico di Mineralogia, Special Issue:95-111." (The most current research on the topic.)Adiabatic dispersion (talk) 23:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
• Completely disagree. This is not a marble, but an unmetamorphosed sedimentary rock; the German version has more info., Uwe Kolitsch
• Oppose it's not a marble. After 9 months & no support, I'm going to remove the tags. Johnbod (talk) 13:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Marble

Can you add characteristics of a marble? 110.235.181.152 (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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To add

To add: mention of portasanta marble, a special variety of marble (and it also merits its own article). 173.88.246.138 (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Production locations

This section is very unbalanced geographically with too little about production in Turkey, Greece and other locations with large industries and too much about production in the US and especially Palestine. Mikenorton (talk) 18:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

"Sustainability" section not meeting modern standards

Came across this article today and felt it was irresponsible to not say anything about this "Sustainability" section. It came across as essentially mining industry fluff with little backing. Only one meaningful source is listed, this one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0950061822004573?via=ihub

The academic paper in question appears legitimate, but the wiki section is deeply misleading. To a person simply reading by, it appears that large amounts of marble waste is currently being re-used in paints, and furthermore that this recycling must be significant enough to warrant mention in the 'Marble' wiki page.

From what I can tell from the abstract, the academic paper is focused on proving that marble waste could be used in paints. "The results indicate that the marble sludge waste can be successfully used as mineral filler in water-based paints, and that it requires only light pre-treatments consisting of deagglomeration and mechanical dispersion in a wet medium, thus confirming its environmental and economic benefits." It does not appear to go into any detail about the present use of dust in this purpose, or evaluate the environmental impact of doing so.

You can find marble-dust based paints online, but it seems very unlikely to me that this use makes up more than a tiny fraction of all marble waste generated. At the very least the "sustainability" section ought to try and quantify the amount/percentage of marble recycled if it is to exist at all. 2601:188:C800:6730:48F1:CAFA:E4FD:AE91 (talk) 23:52, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

CARRARA

The English version of this is entirely missing discusion of Carrara marble, mines technology and history. Jamesks (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Carrara marble is in "See also", has its own article, plus see Italian Renaissance sculpture. Johnbod (talk) 01:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)