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Interior of trains

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Are there any shots of the interior of the trains? Other transit FAs like MTR included such photos. --Madchester 03:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

None that I'm aware of. Since there's a photo ban in effect, I might have to use my cell phone to take a picture of the train interior. Well, that, contributions, or a fair use photo. --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 12:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Purple line??

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A caption says:

A Purple Line train parked at Santolan station.

If this is the Purple Line, why the conspicuous yellow color on the train and the roof of the station? Michael Hardy 14:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Purple Line was named such by President Arroyo for the purple motif. The purple is more predominant than the yellow on trains and stations, and in fact, I think that was a chosen livery. But anyway, here is the official livery description from the LRTA:
Recently, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo re-christened the Megatren as the Purple Line, noting the bright violet and canary yellow blends on the lower edge of the coaches, running from the front and all the way to the rear end. The colors and design denote the uniqueness of Philippine ethnicity.
Anyway, I think it was the LRTA's choice of colors. --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 14:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Ticket Prices Went Up?

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I went to the Philippines years ago and the prices of the tickets seemed to have risen. Anonymous__Anonymous 19:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They sure have in the past few years to cover rising electricity prices and other operating costs. But, the good thing from this is that even though current prices range from 12-15 pesos, the LRT is still the cheapest metro in Southeast Asia. --Akira123323 Say what? | Track record 00:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


It really should be rewritten to avoid mention of actual prices, or pricing schemes cause these are subject to change... The key concept is that the electronic ticketing system of the LRT line is in place to facilitate the movement of commuters (minimal queueing). --d2e
Other metro FAs also quote prices on their pages (see MTR and Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) for examples), other than detail how their systems work. The prices can be changed as needed. --Sky Harbor 14:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But one can't help but think that this is a propaganda piece rather than an encyclopedia entry, there's even free plugin for Dimsum 'n Dumplings, and Waffle Time. Merge with this wiki (along with its lrt station links, which is lacking in this piece) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_LRT_Purple_Line --d2e —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.81.15 (talk • contribs)
It was suggested in the peer review that I place the station links elsewhere (that's why we have the list of Strong Republic Transit System stations). But then again, since each line of the LRT is unique, there's an article for the LRT as a whole, the Yellow Line and the Purple Line. And with regards to your so-called "propaganda", why do they show the types of stores in a typical MTR station? The same logic applies here with Dimsum 'n Dumplings and Waffle Time. --Sky Harbor 05:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The yellow line is now using signs used at the purple line. Should this be included? (And yes, I think Waffles should be gone too because the waffles don't taste great lol) --Howard the Duck 14:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I did notice that, and it makes the stations look nicer, don't you think? But then again, if we have franchised food stalls inside a station, readers should know what they are (in MTR fashion). --Sky Harbor 23:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Should it be added that the two lines now have the same signs? Also, why not creating a pic of those signs? What we need is font. It has a yellow border, blue background and white text. --Howard the Duck 05:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Track

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I've been leisurely reading LRT station articles and I've corrected some of them:

  1. Rizal Avenue Extension starts at Monumento and ends at Rizal Ave. cor. Jose Abad Santos Ave.
  2. Rizal Avenue ends at Recto Avenue when Atienza blocked the street (lol).
  3. The track continues at the street formerly known as Rizal Avenue now known as a pedestrian park up to the Pasig River.
  4. The track then follows A. Villegas, before it crosses the street to Taft Ave. before its intersection with Ayala Blvd.

After that I dunno. I know Taft extends all the way into EDSA. I dunno where it ends. --Howard the Duck 04:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I'm correct, it ends at Redemptorist Road. Check this map image of Baclaran LRT Station. --Sky Harbor 21:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno about that, since it came from the LRT website, the same source of the Blumentritt-Tayuman map. --Howard the Duck 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gauge

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I'd imagine the yellow line is narrower. The trains at the purple line are not as narrow as those of the yellow line. --Howard the Duck 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They're the same gauge, but we have to consider that the trains on LRT-1 are light rail trains, while the trains on MRT-2 are heavy rail metro trains. --Sky Harbor 03:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the chairs on the yellow line are wider. --Howard the Duck 07:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you'll look at the gap between the platforms on the stations, the Purple Line has a larger gap due to having larger trains. The Yellow Line on the other hand, has a smaller gap compared to its purple counterpart so it's limited to using narrower trains. --Mithril Cloud 03:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So its possible to have the same gauge despite having different widths of the trains? --Howard the Duck 10:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Probably. I think the trains from other countries using the standard gauge are even wider than the Purple line rolling stock. --Mithril Cloud 12:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think I get it now, hehehe. --Howard the Duck 12:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Network map needed

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Somebody has deleted the original map of this network. A new one is needed. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 21:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Future expansion

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(Imported from the MRT talkpage)

THE Philippine government plans to float bonds or IOUs to raise funds for the extension of the Light Rail Transit Line 1 in Monumento to North Avenue in Quezon City, a high-ranking DOTC official said Monday.

In an interview, Guiling A. Mamondiong, undersecretary for railway of the Department of Transportation and Communications, said the government will sell bonds worth $120 million to provide funding for the 5.4-kilometer railway from Monumento to Quezon City.

Mamondiong said the expansion comprises three new stations—Balintawak, Muñoz and North Avenue.

“The feasibility and detailed engineering study are undergoing,” he confirmed, saying further the LRT Line 1 and the MRT 3 loop will be closed by 2010.

The LRT Line 1 North extension project will replace the abandoned Edsa North Transit (ENT) project. It will run from North Avenue to Malabon and connect NorthRail project.

With that said, the LRT's the one going to get extended, not the MRT. How about including the expansion update to the article? -- Mithril Cloud 10:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To rekindle this old discussion, I find it quite ludicrous that it will be the LRT and not the MRT that they are extending to North Avenue (Monumento for the MRT). I still find it more logical technology-wise that the MRT should be extended. But, that's what the government wants anyway. I'll find a way to add it in, partly because many media sources are conflicting over the issue of which is getting extended. --Sky Harbor 13:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bikes on board

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You have not mentioned in the article whether it is possible to load bicycles on board. Amir bike (talk) 12:18, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That information is not available. I know they're not allowed on the MRT because the proportions of a bike are too big for the train (maximum allowed size for baggage is 3 feet x 3 feet), but I'm not so sure about the LRT. I'll confirm this. --Sky Harbor 02:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Translation

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How are you so sure that the Manila Light Rail transit System translates to "Sistema ng Magaan na Riles Panlulan ng Maynila" in Filipino? please provide your sources, your translation to "Sistema ng Magaan na Riles Panlulan ng Maynila" does not exist in the LRT 

--JoshuaCruzPhilippines (talk) 19:46, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The translation is actually a composite of translations based on the Spanish translation of "light rail". In Spanish, "light rail" is translated as trén ligero (literally "light train"), which in Filipino would be magaan na tren, and in this case would be magaan na riles panlulan, lulan being the Filipino word for "transit". The translation in itself actually was a product of the Tagalog Wikipedia when it was first created there, with the translation arriving at where it is after consultation with other users, dictionaries and common usage.
Do be advised, however, that the Philippine government, unlike in years past, has not embarked on major initiatives to translate government agencies and infrastructure into Filipino. Wikipedian translations are acceptable as long as they are authoritative and they are properly sourced in the lexicon, which in this case it is. To many Filipino Wikipedians, the idea that technical terms should not be translated into Filipino (it should be kept as what it is in English, as is most commonly the case) is, for lack of a more appropriate term, a whole lot of BS. --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info Josh, Josh here :) I just don't find it appropriate to have it in Filipino if there is no logical use for it in the first place, I mean perhaps you've been a passenger of the LRT and that Filipino translation is not used anywhere. You're right it's not proper to translate technical terms. Perhaps it's just for the sake of having it in Filipino, thanks again! but please keep my citation on that perhaps someone can provide. Merci à tous! --JoshuaCruzPhilippines 13:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjcruz (talk • contribs)

You're twisting my words around. I said it is not proper to NOT translate technical terms into Filipino. Anyway, the translation may not have solid backing, but they tend to get solid backing in one way or another (such as the Filipino translation of the SONA).
And another thing: please use four tildes (~~~~) when signing. Thanks! --Sky Harbor (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My two cents: unless the translation is an official one, I don't think there is any need to translate the English term into the vernacular on the English Wikipedia. --seav (talk) 16:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like the Philippine government translates anything now. The last time the government released a widely-available list for the translations of government agencies' names was perhaps back in the 1960s or 1970s, well before the LRT was built. However, this is the article's name on the Tagalog Wikipedia, as mentioned in the FAR. --Sky Harbor (talk) 15:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for listening seav, I really think that it should have been removed long ago. Clearly you just can't find it anywhere. JoshuaCruzPhilippines (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been dormant for several years. I could not find this "native name" in any reliable source, at least from a simple Google query. I have removed it in Special:Diff/1166252123. Poppytarts (talk) 10:11, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What help do you need?

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Wanted to ask what help might be useful. Not sure you've listed this source yet: Manila Light Rail Extension, Philippines. Might see what else I can contribute. Lambanog (talk) 01:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns regarding the safety section have been raised, specifically the accidents and incidents table. Any idea how this should be approached? Discarding the current incident list while reducing detail would actually conform more to the approach seen in other rapid transit articles although I'm not sure what should replace it. I haven't seen authorities keeping a detailed list of suicide attempts for example in any of the sources. Lambanog (talk) 10:17, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm spinning the table off into another article. I will be keeping though important events, like the birth of Lea Aquino Ababa's baby, the Rizal Day bombings and a few other notable events that we could find. It will take a lot of effort to maintain this article in FA, let alone get it back to FA if it gets demoted. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest I'm not sure your last edit to the lead improved it. Of course I was the one who changed it from the earlier version so I'm partial. I see a couple of things that might be changed from the one I worked on but I still prefer it. Could you explain what the concerns with it were? Lambanog (talk) 17:23, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The lead was condensed in order to make it less wordy while still able to get the gist of the article across (actually, I was about to save it but it got caught in an edit conflict). However, the lead I believe is lacking, and it can still use expansion. Overall concerns with respect to the article can be found at the FAR. --Sky Harbor (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A passing comment: strictly speaking I don't think the birth of a baby on the line is notable. Lambanog (talk) 05:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is when it is the first such incident on the LRT. Notable events deserve mention on the main article, while everything else should be spun off. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sky Harbor, since you seem to have a particular interest in these rail articles, I'm wondering if you've visited the Meralco Museum in Pasig City? Maybe you'd like to verify attribution and take some pictures.... [http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=753624&page=4] — Lambanog (talk) 03:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since you are probably more familiar with the sources, I'd like to draw your attention to the need for a source regarding the Inquirer Libre information and also clarification as to what stations have or don't have them. It's currently vaguely worded. Also need a source for photography information. How did photography contribute to the Rizal Day bombings? Lambanog (talk) 11:24, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Common (unpublished) knowledge on the matter is that the LRTA (and the MRTC) are afraid that a terrorist or some other criminal could be taking pictures to plan attacks on the LRT. It's actually very ludicrous, and in practice, the LRTA began relaxing restrictions. Information on the Inquirer Libre is available on their website (http://www.libre.com.ph) or on the LRTA website. Take note though: the latter is not updated. (By the way, your tranvia picture can be considered PD) --Sky Harbor (talk) 13:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Created this in case it comes in handy but I don't know if it is necessary or how to show the LRT-2 Purple Line. The colors follow WP:TRAIL convention so not that intuitive and confusing if one is going by Yellow Line Purple Line naming. Lambanog (talk) 12:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The best example that I can think of is the BTS Skytrain route map example, though you lose geographical accuracy as a result. In addition, the segment between Carriedo and Central Terminal should indicate that it crosses the Pasig River on a bridge. Blumentritt should also indicate that it is an interchange with the PNR. --Sky Harbor (talk) 00:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Was wondering if something along the lines of the O Train map could be done. On the other hand what is happening with TheCoffee's LRT MRT map? I updated Matthewprc's MetroManilaComplete.JPG but it really needs to be replaced with something cleaner. I might do something with that, but I'm still familiarizing myself with the features of the free graphic software I downloaded. Lambanog (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This might come in handy. I just traced it from the MetroManilaComplete map so it's open for revisions. --mithrilcloud 18:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the station names don't correspond with their respective articles. Quirino, Central, GMA-Kamuning, Santolan-Annapolis and Boni Avenue should respectively be Quirino Avenue, Central Terminal, Kamuning, Santolan and Boni. An SRTS version of this map (which would include Southrail) would work nicely as well. --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:04, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here is an updated version with the Metro Manila Commuter Express segment included. -- mithrilcloud 05:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think EDSA PNR station should be slightly closer to Magallanes MRT station (they're not that far apart) and Santa Mesa PNR station a bit farther away from Pureza station. Other than that, both maps are fine, and the SRTS map should make its appearance at the SRTS page within the day. --Sky Harbor (talk) 05:31, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the map with the revisions mentioned. -- mithrilcloud 17:01, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well I also also created this to give an overview of the position of the various lines. Tell me if it can be used of if there are improvements that will help. Also I read the extension to Cavite is being dropped.... Lambanog (talk) 06:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yellow Line (LRT-1)
 North Avenue (planned interchange with MRT-3)
Roosevelt
Balintawak
Malvar
Monumento
5th Avenue
R. Papa
Abad Santos
Blumentritt (connection to PNR)
Tayuman
Bambang
Doroteo Jose (walkway access to Recto)
Carriedo
(crossing above Pasig River)
Central Terminal
United Nations
Pedro Gil
Quirino Avenue
Vito Cruz
Gil Puyat
Libertad
EDSA (walkway access to Taft)
Baclaran

Possible changes

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I'm thinking the photography comments should be removed. I also think information on the female only coaches should be added. Lambanog (talk) 11:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The captions should not be removed, as they give important context into the pictures. The images are not purely decorative. --Sky Harbor (talk) 10:33, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Am referring to the stated photography policy in the article. Sorry for not being clear. Lambanog (talk) 11:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous

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I've been looking up sources and have found that a lot of papers tend to cite the JICA funded Metro Manila Urban Transportation Integration Study (MMUTIS). I cannot seem to find it anywhere but would think that a downloadable viewable source should be available somewhere. Could anyone help look it up and find a link to a copy? Lambanog (talk) 11:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have researched further and found it is not freely available at least without contacting NCTS first. Lambanog (talk) 04:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From the most recent press reports I've seen, it seems construction of a Malvar station on the north loop did not push through. Any further word if that plan is permanently shelved? If so the diagrams we've created will need to be changed. Lambanog (talk) 09:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to request confirmation from those who might know: are Carriedo and Central Terminal (1)terminal stations and (2) composed of two levels? Lambanog (talk) 07:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Carriedo and Central are both bi-level. If I remember right, only Baclaran, Central, and Monumento are designated as terminal stations. --mithrilcloud 17:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone confirm what the capacity of the Line 1 Kinki Sharyo 3G trains is? The LRTA when talking about a "new fleet" with rolling stock dimensions that match the description of the Kinki Sharyo railcars lists 1350 passengers but there is the possibility it refers to the 2nd generation Adtranz trains. To complicate things further the Kinki Sharyo website has the following page http://www.kinkisharyo.co.jp/eng/e_products/sh/e_manila.htm which gives a confusing description. Is it saying the capacity is 1266? 1240? 2506? For a single railcar? A two-car train? Two different kinds of four-car trains? Or something else? Lambanog (talk) 07:32, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That information you got from LRTA pertains to the second generation fleet. The Capacity Expansion Project Phase 1 involved the acquisition of the 2G fleet. --mithrilcloud 17:14, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The name of the article would seem to suggest that, but if one looks at the specs, they seem to match the Kinki Sharyo railcars. The dimensions are the same. So are the number of axles and bogies, doors per side, articulation, and carbody shell. That would seem to suggest the capacity should be similar. It's unclear when the webpage was created but there's the possibility and it's conceivable the info was updated to account for the Kinki Sharyo cars. That's why I do not want to stray from the exact naming given by the source. If you are aware of another reliable source that makes the difference between the 2G Adtranz and 3G Kinki Sharyo trains plain please put it here or include in the article. I cannot seem to find sources for the Adtranz railcars. Thank you. Lambanog (talk) 05:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Check this archived page from archive.org. It shows that the page was never changed since its creation back in 2003. --mithrilcloud 14:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. I will change it back to your more specific description. Lambanog (talk) 07:25, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there going to be a Malvar station or not? Reports I've seen did not mention it. Lambanog (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mithril Cloud on another website I notice you posted pictures of the newer LRT tickets. Are they available on Wikipedia or Wikicommons? Lambanog (talk) 02:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Balintawak station it seems is now open. I will incorporate details given here: LRT opens Balintawak station. On another note I read an article that seems to say Malvar station has been put on hold. I will therefore remove it from the trail map. Lambanog (talk) 06:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe try to keep Malvar station grayed out while Balintawak is open? It's still on the plans of MetroLink and don't forget that according to the engineers, both Malvar and Common stations are still on the consulting stage. Let's just wait and see at this moment. Anyway, the station is not yet shut down. Replaced the old icon for Malvar station with a light one and dark blue lines (indicates a station that is either under construction or planned in an operating line). Barrera marquez 13:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barrera marquez (talk • contribs)

Lambanog's edits

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  • Moving the photography comments here.
Photography of any kind is banned inside the LRT without the written consent of the LRTA. This is largely due to safety concerns, such as the possibility of distracting or temporarily blinding the train driver or other passengers as well as to deter and hinder malicious surveillance of the premises. Permission can be obtained from the station manager or at LRTA headquarters in Pasay City.

— Lambanog (talk) 06:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do not expect to find photography information on the LRT anywhere. In writing this article, you have to sometimes rely on sheer guts to pass off unsourced information as true. But for that matter, I do have a picture of a notice posted inside Pureza station which explicitly states that photography is banned inside the premises. --Sky Harbor (talk)
Feel free to reinsert it then if you're comfortable explaining it at the FAR. Lambanog (talk) 07:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replacing following ref with version on website of the Office of the Press Secretary: <ref name="10points">{{cite web | title=SONA - Executive Summary, July 2005 | url=http://www.gov.ph/sona/executivesummary_072505.asp | archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20060503181431/http://www.gov.ph/sona/executivesummary_072505.asp | archivedate=May 3, 2006 | publisher=[[President of the Philippines|Office of the President]] | date=July 21, 2005 | accessdate=May 6, 2006}}</ref> Lambanog (talk) 07:07, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what's with the LRT 2/MRT-2 inconsistency here? --mithrilcloud 12:03, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but could you clarify what instance in particular are you referring to? Lambanog (talk) 12:32, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Line 2 is officially referred as MRT-2, but I'm seeing instances of LRT 2 in the article now. A example would be that railway diagram you have below. --mithrilcloud 16:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While at times I've seen the Purple Line referred to as MRT 2 I encounter LRT 2 more often. In the LRTA website's main article on the line, LRT 2 is used in the title and body but MRT 2 appears on the browser label. In the 2006 LRTA Annual Report it appears as LRT 2. LRT 2 is more prominent in both cases. LRT 2 is also less likely to confuse people into thinking it is operated by the MRTC. Lambanog (talk) 17:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Certain additions have been made to the chart detailing the specs of the Line 1 rolling stock. They may be accurate but I'd like to follow what is found in the cited source.

roof-mounted duct type; 5 units per car

Lambanog (talk) 07:07, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Removed the following due to citation needed tag and in response to FAR reviewer's comments:

Sistema ng Magaan na Riles Panlulan ng Maynila
(Filipino: Sistema ng Magaan na Riles Panlulan ng Maynila),

Lambanog (talk) 02:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lines 1 & 2
Planned extension to Antipolo, Rizal
(planned interchange with MRT-3)  
North Avenue
Santolan
Roosevelt
Crossing above Marikina River
Balintawak
Katipunan
Malvar
Anonas
Monumento
Araneta Center-Cubao
  (interchange with MRT)
5th Avenue
Betty Go-Belmonte
R. Papa
Gilmore
Abad Santos
J. Ruiz
(connection to PNR)  
Blumentritt
V. Mapa
Tayuman
Pureza
Bambang
Legarda
(walkway access to Recto Line 2)  
Doroteo Jose
Recto
Carriedo
Crossing above Pasig River
Central Terminal
United Nations
Pedro Gil
Quirino Avenue
Vito Cruz
Gil Puyat
Libertad
(walkway access to Taft MRT-3)  
EDSA
Baclaran
Planned southern extension to Bacoor, Cavite

Incidents and accidents section

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Moving section here per reviewer concerns and to make references section clean up easier. Lambanog (talk) 12:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Extended content

Incidents and accidents

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Incidents and accidents are rare aboard the LRT, but there have been notable events throughout the LRT's history:

Date Station Event
December 30, 2000 Blumentritt On Rizal Day, a Yellow Line car exploded near Blumentritt station as part of a series of explosions in a terrorist attack known as the Rizal Day bombings. The attack on the LRT killed some 22 people and injured hundreds. Eight members of both Jemaah Islamiyah and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), which include Hambali, Asia's most wanted man, and the late Fathur Rahman al-Ghozi, were charged with plotting and masterminding the attacks in 2003, some three years after the attacks. Three suspects were put on trial,[1][2] with al-Ghozi receiving 17 years in prison due to the illegal possession of explosives. However, al-Ghozi would die in a firefight after attempting to escape from prison.
January 10, 2005 Recto Two robbers dressed as janitors ran off with PHP 700,000 in station earnings from Recto station, killing one policeman, Arcadio Borja from the Lockheed Security Agency, in the process. The robbers were wearing the uniforms of Excellent General Services, the agency which provides janitorial services on the entire Purple Line.[3] It is presumed that the robbers entered the station through the fire exit, the hallway lights of which were turned off to make them invisible to security cameras. Four janitors, eight security guards and cashier Leo Inocentes, from which the money was robbed from, would be subject to a polygraph test after testing negative for gunshot residue.[4]
May 5, 2005 Doroteo Jose Lea Aquino Ababa of Pasay City gave birth to a baby girl inside Doroteo Jose station on her way to Fabella Memorial Hospital for a checkup, the first time a baby was born and the first time an LRT passenger gave birth inside an LRT station. She was named Dorotea, after the name of the station.[5]
January 30, 2006 Santolan A man, later identified as Zaldy Morato Muna, was arrested after guards conducting a routine bag search discovered bomb-making materials inside Muna's bag, with the suspect claiming that the materials were for a fishpond project in Antipolo City and that he believed that he had given the materials to a friend of his.[6] While the suspect has been relieved of any allegations of being a member of a terrorist group, charges of illegal possession of explosives will still be levied against him, according to police.[7][dead link‍]
June 22, 2006 Santolan and Katipunan At about 6:15 am on June 22, 2006, MRT-2 operations from Santolan to Katipunan were halted for about three hours due to a power glitch that occurred between the two stations. LRTA engineers discovered that a piece of tin broke one of the overhead wires, causing delays for passengers who had to be transferred via coach to Anonas station, the closest open station of the network for passengers boarding from Santolan and Katipunan. Full line operations resumed by 9:30 am after the wire was repaired.[8]
July 12, 2006 Santolan and Katipunan Hundreds of passengers were stranded after lightning caused by Tropical Storm Bilis (Florita) struck one of the overhead wires, causing the line to break and forcing operations from Santolan to Katipunan to stall. Operations from Recto to Anonas continued as normal while linemen were repairing the damaged wire.[9]
September 9, 2006 Pedro Gil Thousands of passengers were stranded after faulty brakes on one southbound LRT train forced operations from Monumento to Baclaran to be suspended. In order to stop the train, power had to be cut to the entire line. The train was pulled to Baclaran to be inspected and repaired. Train operations resumed after a few hours.[10]
August 26, 2007 Blumentritt A lone gunman mounted on a motorcycle reportedly shot security guard Rod Navarro of the Kaizen Security Agency at around 1:00 pm in the head, killing the guard on the spot. A motive has yet to be established for the killing of Navarro.[11]
December 18, 2007 Libertad Train operations from Central Terminal to Baclaran were temporarily suspended after a fire in a residential area in Pasay City forced the suspension of operations due to the proximity of one of the burning buildings to Libertad station. Operations from Central Terminal to Monumento still operated as scheduled. Full service was restored after the fire was controlled.[12]
January 3, 2008 Baclaran Train operations to and from Baclaran were suspended because of a fire at the Baclaran Galleria shopping mall that started at around 5:00 am. At noon the fire was still spreading to nearby establishments, and flames even started to encroach on the entrance of the station. Earlier the station had to be closed because of the thick smoke coming from the fire.[13]
May 20, 2008 Recto Train operations from Recto to Araneta Center-Cubao were suspended due to lightning that struck the station's power supply.[14]
July 17, 2008 Libertad Train operations were limited from Monumento to Gil Puyat when fire broke out in a 4-story commercial building beside Libertad station at around 2:00 am. Normal operations resumed in the afternoon after the fire was controlled.[15]
May 28, 2009 Pedro Gil At around 7:30 am, train operations from Baclaran to Central were disrupted after steel debris from a nearby construction area fell on the tracks and catenary wires.[16] Normal train operations resumed at 9:45 am.[17]


References

  1. ^ Tubeza, Philip. (July 8, 2003). "Terrorist raps filed vs Asia's most wanted man". Philippine Daily Inquirer. Archived from the original on December 6, 2003. Retrieved April 24, 2005.
  2. ^ "DOJ Indicts Asia's Most Wanted Terrorist in 2000 LRT Bombing". Department of Justice. July 7, 2003. Archived from the original on August 19, 2003. Retrieved April 7, 2006.
  3. ^ Guard killed in LRT robbery; P0.7M lost, Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 10, 2005
  4. ^ LRT robbery probe focuses on station employees, Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 12, 2005
  5. ^ "Childbirth at Doroteo Jose Station". Light Rail Transit Authority. December 1, 2005. Retrieved April 7, 2006.
  6. ^ Man with bomb materials nabbed at train station in Pasig, Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 30, 2006
  7. ^ Explosives seized at LRT line for fishpond project--suspect, Philippine Daily Inquirer, January 31, 2006
  8. ^ Power glitch halts Line 2 for 3 hours, Manila Bulletin, June 22, 2006
  9. ^ Train operations from Katipunan to Santolan stations stall, Philippine Daily Inquirer, July 12, 2006 (archived from the original on 2007-03-11)
  10. ^ Balasa, Edwin. (2006-09-10). Tren ng LRT tumirik, libong pasahero stranded [Train stalls, a thousand passengers stranded (in Filipino). Pilipino Star Ngayon (Manila). Retrieved 2010-01-23.
  11. ^ LRT guard shot dead in Manila, ABS-CBN Interactive, August 27, 2007
  12. ^ Fire partially stops LRT operations, Philippine Daily Inquirer, December 18, 2007
  13. ^ Baclaran blaze continues to spread, officials raise fire alarm level, GMA News and Public Affairs, January 3, 2008
  14. ^ Lightning disrupts Line 2 service, Philippine Daily Inquirer, May 20, 2008
  15. ^ Fire disrupts operations at LRT Libertad station, GMA News and Public Affairs, July 17, 2008
  16. ^ Metal on tracks leaves LRT passengers stranded, GMA News and Public Affairs, May 28, 2009
  17. ^ LRT resumes operations, Philippine Daily Inquirer, May 28, 2009

Pictures

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Moving or storing some pictures here. Lambanog (talk) 02:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A rendering of the possible LRT network after various expansions. The map also shows other parts of the SRTS, such as the Blue and Orange Lines.

New maps. -mithrilcloud 16:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The alignment of the Orange Line relative to the Purple Line is wrong again. --Sky Harbor (talk) 01:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. --mithrilcloud 04:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Save for a little problem with the ñ in España and the position of Santa Mesa (it should reflect it being north of the Pasig River), the map looks okay. --Sky Harbor (talk) 09:11, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed again. --mithrilcloud 11:24, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Full map of SRTS network including planned lines. Not to scale.
File:Manila LRT map-mar-10 mc.png
Updated version of LRT network map.

SRTS update

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Hi i am a new editor here in the whole SRTS system I am editing the SRTS map to make it more accurate but it seems that wikipedia thinks its wrong but in fact it is right and it is the info given at the main page of the lines which are PNR,PNR-NLRC, LRTA, MRTC and ULRTC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeromesandilanico (talk • contribs) 10:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome Jeromesandilanico. I am sorry but I do not understand what you are trying to say when you refer to "SRTS map" and what you mean by "Wikipedia thinks it is wrong". Are you referring to "File:SRTS Full Map Mar-2010 MC.png"? Are you talking about something happening here on English Wikipedia or are you talking about something on Wikipedia Commons? Lambanog (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If I may add my piece: Mithril Cloud's map does not reflect the opening of Roosevelt station. I notice that the map was updated, though using the wrong font. I'll try correcting that since I have the correct font, or better yet I'll ask MC to do it. --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:44, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I have it ready. I'm just contemplating on whether to retain the SRTS name or turn it into a generic "Metro Manila Rail Transport" map. --mithrilcloud 11:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Unless the Aquino administration says otherwise, keep the name. In addition, if you want, I can give you a supplementary DIN 1451 font which properly renders ñ. You can use it in conjunction with the standard DIN 1451 for proper rendering of the text. --Sky Harbor (talk) 06:05, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I reread the comment again, and I can definitely say this: the regular LRT/MRT/PNR editors on Wikipedia do not think that Jeromesandilanico's contributions are wrong, because technically no information is wrong unless it is proven to be complete bollocks (a.k.a. patently false). However, the information presented on the SRTS' "expansion" is not verifiable: as it is, there are only three canonical sources by which the SRTS can even be verified: the first is the SRTS page on the website of the LRTA, the second are those SRTS maps which are found inside LRT-1 and MRT-2 trains, and the third is the Flash Pass brochure/application form which is distributed at major MRT stations. With respect to all other sources (websites of the MRT, PNR, Northrail and Universal LRT), no SRTS information is provided, and it is unknown whether or not there really is "expansion" save for MRT-7 (new lines are always included). Now until the DOTC says otherwise, or if the President goes so far as to scrap this Gloria-era project, we can't really say whether or not the SRTS was really "expanded", and as such we're better off erring on the side of caution over propagating information that can be proven false. --Sky Harbor (talk) 11:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jeromesandilanico's edits.

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Jeromesandilanico has requested that I not undo any of his edits. However, I have some issues with them and plan to modify or remove them.

1. The part about a study presented by DOTC Undersecretary for Public Information Dante Velasco is unreferenced.
2. The part about DOTC Undersecretary Glicerio Sicat is attributed to Malaya when it should be attributed to The Manila Times. From the reference it's not clear what Sicat's specific portfolio is so the "Undersecretary for Rails" bit is unsupported.
3. The phrase "the said transfer is set by the government on June 2011" in the context found in he article is incorrect English.
4. While the last part of the article does lay out future plans, it is something that should be done sparingly. WP:Crystal should be kept in mind. Showing how many stations will be part of the LRT when the MRT is merged in the infobox I think is therefore premature. Better to simply wait then add the information on when it is official.
5. Detailed step-by-step moves towards the integration of the 3 lines is unnecessary. What Velasco says then what Sicat says then what Rodriguez is doing adds little. Simply stating there are such plans in the works and why should be enough especially when most of this information is focused on the MRT not the LRT.
6. A recent reference article with some details was removed and should be restored. Lambanog (talk) 09:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In response to Lambanog's questions:

1. I have provided before a reference for this article yet some user may have deleted it accidentally or because it is already a dead link.
2. I have fixed this error. Sorry for the wrong publication house name.
3. I already corrected the grammar of the sentence. Again, sorry for the incorrect English.
4. I just provided this to help others on who will take over operations in the future. But if majority of the wikipedians will go with your motion, I am willing to take it back.
5. In my opinion it is not step-by-step, hence I just highlighted the important developments on this project to further give knowledge to others for sources for this kind of article is hard to find on the internet search engines.
6. I just removed the "tightly" word because it sounds redundant. "more integrated transport..." is already fine. Jeromesandilanico (talk) 19:45, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

El Folklore Filipino

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I'm not sure about the El Folklore Filipino reference. I took a look at a copy and could not find the information attributed to it. It should have an exact page number. Can someone else take a look and verify its contents? Lambanog (talk) 10:00, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Do we have any capable editors here who can redraw our Metro Manila Mass Transit System Network map? I was trying to look for the old map's creator but it looks like the person has retired from editing in Wikipedia. We need a map that would intergrate the new MRT-7 and LRT-6 proposals and also update the colors, that have been adopted since 2012.

  • LRT-1: from Yellow to Green
  • LRT-2: from Purple to Blue
  • MRT-3: from Blue to Yellow
  • MRT-7: from Light Grey (in the old map) to Red
  • PNR Metro Commuter remains Orange though
  • As for LRT-6, I believe it hasn't been designated its own color name, but I guess we can create a shade of green for it being an extension of LRT-1 (Light Green perhaps or the temporary Light Grey)?

Btw, these new colors for the existing LRT-1, LRT-2 and MRT-3 are the ones being used on those Beep (smart card) which will be rolled out very soon, so we really need to get this map updated as soon as possibe.

Pinging Sky Harbor, SkyHigher, Abante86, Useddenim, Veluz330, Korean Rail Fan, seav, TheCoffee, Alternativity. Appreciate you guys's help.--RioHondo (talk) 07:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Beep cards

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Since July 2015, Beep cards are used in Line 2, and since September 20, in Line 1. Can somebody help me about editing the ticketing section to include Beep cards? SuperArticleGuy (talk) 09:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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There have been a lot of developments in Manila mass transit for the past 2-3 years, including the award for the contract of Manila LRT Line 1 which transferred its operations and maintenance to a private entity (Light Rail Manila Corp.) in 2015, thereby leaving Light Rail Transit Authority with just the Line 2 (which i believe would also be privatised in the near future). The other lines are also run by private companies, like the Metro Rail Transit Corporation for Manila MRT Line 3 and Universal LRT Corp for Manila MRT Line 7. Considering our mass transit lines are now privately and individually operated and maintained, and are in fact their own individual "systems," i believe the article either needs to be renamed to something that talks about the Manila Mass Transit Network concept discussed in the Metro Manila Dream Plan about all the different rail lines forming an urban rail network for Mega Manila1 or merged to Light Rail Transit Authority, the company that used to operate both LRT 1 and 2. Cos the LRTs being handled by two different entities now surely can't form a single "System". Let me know what you guys think.--RioHondo (talk) 04:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. There is still a "Manila LRT System". Although the operations of the Manila LRT Line 1 was transferred to LRMC by virtue of contract for 32 years, the LRTA still remains as the owner of the system. By the end of the period of the contract, the operations of Line will be returned to the LRTA. ERAMnc 14:53, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with RioHondo; it seems like every line will be operated by different companies, and not many of them want their train to be called "light rail". In the short time that I've been here at Wikipedia, I've also noticed editors trying to avoid the use of "LRT" or "MRT", they'd use "Line" instead. I think there should be consensus on what we really want to call the mass transit system in Metro Manila, even though it was pioneered by the government agency called Light Rail Transit Authority. I would rather have the government just regulate the system and leave operation and maintenance to these companies. --Miles2north (talk) 05:50, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the best way to go for this is to just merely drop the LRT/MRT moniker altogether and utilize Line number instead so as to futureproof articles. Regardless if its LRT/MRT/Subway/etc it would harmonize it into a cohesive structure similar to how articles from other railway systems in the country work. This is also following official DOTr documents wherein even PNR GM Jun Magno states that the government prefers the Line # format as opposed to color or LRT/MRT format. Korean Rail Fan 05:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. How about petitioning the agency in charge of regulating mass transit to change from LRTA to, say, Manila Rail Transit Authority, or MARTA (although it would be the same name as the one in Atlanta, Georgia. :) --Miles2north (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I saw on facebook some groups petitioning such with the rename being RRTA here [1]. We could help them if we know someone in Malacañang or Office of the Executive Secretary. Do you happen to know some? Korean Rail Fan 03:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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