Talk:Madhouse in Maryland

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Should be deleted

Nothing against what happened, but I don’t think it’s significant enough to be placed as an article. I think it’s too hyped up. 24.187.44.52 (talk) 01:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is plenty of media coverage of it and there is precedent for such a thing. (Miracle in Motown, Hail Murray) ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s fair. I wonder if there could be a page to request potential deletion and see what others say. 24.187.44.52 (talk) 02:36, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My only real concern in that respect is whether the article should have a more neutral name. The number of names for this play, as listed in the first paragraph, suggests that "Madhouse in Maryland" is a somewhat unilateral selection by the person who created the article. "2024 Commanders–Bears game" might be more neutral, with the first paragraph then saying something along the lines of, "The game ended on a Hail Mary pass variously referred to as" followed by the various names. ("Madhouse" is a somewhat odd way to refer to a single play—that sort of word would normally describe a facility, in this case the stadium.) 1995hoo (talk) 11:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the play is either “Madhouse in Maryland” or “Hail Mary(land).” I’ve never heard of the media referring to the play as some of the others you’re mentioning, such as “Hail Noah.” Precisely why I think it should be deleted. 24.187.44.52 (talk) 13:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a valid reason for deletion and it passes WP:GNG. It hasn't even been 48 hours yet so let's see if a more common name sticks by the end of the week. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Google searches of "Madhouse in Maryland" gets around 1,800 results, "Hail Maryland" gets around 4,200 results, "Miracle in Maryland" gets around 6,200 results, and "Hail Noah" gets around 5,000 results. So by that, "Madhouse in Maryland" is the least common name for the play and should not be this article's name. But how do we handle this as there is no clear consensus between the other three either? Perhaps there's a more common name beyond these four but I'm not aware of one. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:HITS, the counts aren't all that accurate either. Actually, I haven't seen Google provide a hit count for quite some time. Was there some trick to get it to display? —Bagumba (talk) 16:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It shows up when "Tools" is selected now. And I'm aware the results are not super accurate, but it's still seemingly the least common of the three and that's with WP:CITOGENESIS potentially adding to it. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. So if I get to the last page of results for each of them, they all have < 200 results. So not sure what to make of that, which I guess leads back to your original "how do we handle this". —Bagumba (talk) 17:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 December 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Madhouse in Maryland be renamed and moved to Hail Maryland.

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Madhouse in Maryland → Hail Maryland – Irrelevant title that should be changed to one that is more recognizable. Per WP:COMMONNAME. The commentating from the CBS broadcast does not completely defend the title under the subjected quote "It's a madhouse in Landover, Maryland!" where "Landover" causes a break in the article title.

"Hail Maryland" also provides a scope of the article, similar to Hail Murray, which is suggested per WP:PRECISE. Vataxevader (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: WP:COMMONNAME only applies if supported by sources. Per the above topic, there really isn't a runaway favorite here even though I personally agree with such a move. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:31, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources can be found for "Hail Maryland" or "Miracle in Maryland"/"Maryland Miracle" but what use does it provide if no census is met for its final decision? I am personally fine with either but it seems to be agreeable that it needs to be done. Vataxevader (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per my above post. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]