Talk:List of Hindi films of 2019

Why this movie

Why this movie - Kabir Singh is not listed in Highest grossing bollywood films (wheres it has already raked way more). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharmendarm (talk • contribs) 08:09, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2019

- Indobrothers (talk) 04:18, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Awesome Aasim 05:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Case of Saaho

The argument that only Hindi collections should be included does not hold, In List of Bollywood films of 2016, Dangal's collection is comfortably shown over 2000 crore, which includes Telugu, Tamil and even Chinese collections. Even in this list, War includes Telugu and Tamil versions, else it would have been Box office India's figure of 442 crore which tracks only Hindi version. So singling out Saaho makes the list inconsistent. A note is added that it includes other simultaneously filmed language versions which should do the job. Thanks--Ab207 (talk) 13:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Dangal and war are originally hindi films they are released in dube versions in other languages. Saho shoot originally 4 different languages and basically Hindi it was earn 190 cr source link: https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/box-office-collections/worldwide/2019/ Sush150 (talk) 15:32, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: Do not revert the edits before reaching consensus, you are on your way to break Three revert rule which may result in a block. Please have look at Bold, revert and discuss cycle. Coming to the point, I don't know what you mean by saying only Dangal and War are original Hindi films. You are also wrong when you say "Saho shoot originally 4 different languages." No it was shot in three languages and dubbed into Malayalam, should we not include Malayalam dub collections then. Anyway, there is no logic in including dub collections but not simultaneously shot versions.--Ab207 (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I am saying Saaho doing 190 cr in only worldwide out of 433 cr. Sush150 (talk) 17:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

According to Bollywood Hungama - https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movie/saaho/box-office/#bh-movie-box-office Sush150 (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: I understand what you are trying to say. But Wikipedia does not work like a Bollywood website. There is only one figure for any film which is - final worldwide gross for all versions, in this case 433 crore.--Ab207 (talk) 17:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Let me clear, In Bollywood films page, only add hind worldwide collection not others. U talking about danga and war they are shoot in hind language and release dub in other languages. Basically it was hindi films But Saaho Shoot 3 languages separately Hindi, Tamil, Telugu and dub in malayalam so basically it was Trilingual film in this scenario In Bollywood films page not added seperately shoot Tamil, Telugu versions collections. They are add in there seperate pages separately. Just try to understand. Sush150 (talk) 18:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: There is no community guideline that is consistent with your demand, "only add hind worldwide collection not others". This article is about "Bollywood films". Seems like that would include all films produced by the Bollywood film industry, including dubs or films produced simultaneously in other languages. Otherwise, wouldn't the list be "List of Hindi-language films"? You both should also see List of American films of 2005 and similar. These seem to report domestic grosses, but I don't know if that's a WikiProject Film preference. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: @Sush150: I don't think there would be any issue if this list "only" shows the Hindi version figures (given by Box of India). But including dub versions and excluding simultaneously shot versions makes it inconsistent. Saaho is a Bollywood film (originally Hindi film in Sush150's words) by any measure and we cannot apply different standards to it.--Ab207 (talk) 19:24, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

The list is going to be pointless if there is no comparison that can be made to other industries, like other Indian ethno-linguistic industries, or even Hollywood. Further, imagine trying to figure out how much money the Telugu version of Baahubali made compared to the Tamil version. Who's actually tracking that and separating the data? If the Indian Cinema Task Force can't provide this information across all language industries, then what value is it going to do anybody to list this information for the Bollywood industry? You would never be able to compare one industry to another. The smarter approach is to make the data as broad as possible, listing worldwide gross or domestic gross values for all versions, since that data is probably available to some degree for most industries. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

That's exactly what I was trying to say. All the Lists of Bollywood films display worldwide gross of all versions. The same should apply for Saaho as well instead of making arbitrary exceptions.--Ab207 (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: this is not my demand, Please refer Bollywood Hungama source. And try to understand what I am saying Source link:https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/movie/saaho/box-office/#bh-movie-box-office Sush150 (talk) 19:23, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150:If you want to ping someone, use {{ping}} template. @something won't work. Also use : to reply, :: for a second reply and so on. Do not add new lines unnecessarily.--Ab207 (talk) 19:29, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: @Ab207: Please check in past that time added Saaho but @Krimuk2.0: Giving this reason. Link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/914935242 Sush150 (talk) 19:35, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: How is Saaho not a bollywood film? If Kabir Singh produced by T Series is Bollywood, then so is Saaho. If "only Hindi version figures should be reflected here" then how come this and and other similar lists are liberally including dub versions? Atleast 4 films in the list are officially dubbed into Telugu and Tamil whose figures are added.--Ab207 (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: Yes, Saaho is Bollywood film. It shoot In Hindi language. But it was aslo shoot in others languages. So it was hindi film list so only add Hindi Worldwide figures not all languages. And Hindi films are release Dub languages it basically Hindi film so add including dub languages worldwide figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sush150 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: Just curious to know, Would you include Malayalam dub version? If so, where are you going get these Hindi Malayalam figures? Oh, there is also a Kannada dub version, not sure if it had a release though.--Ab207 (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: Don't know it would include malayalam dub version. The Box office collection list as per Bollywood Hungama.https://www.bollywoodhungama.com/box-office-collections/worldwide/2019/ Take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sush150 (talk • contribs) 20:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: Well, this the BoxOfficeIndia list, you see the difference right? War is only 442 crore. If you don't want to consider Telugu and Tamil, then exclude dub versions also. Also please sign your posts!--Ab207 (talk) 21:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ab207: These two sites, I am not sure the figures are right. And this is not part of my consider. I am saying only this list follow as per this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sush150 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: You have to learn how to properly indent your replies. Do you see how my response is indented underneath yours? Do you see how your reply is not properly indented under Ab207's comment? And your last response was not signed. Don't make other editors clean up after you, please. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Ok, Please teach me and tell me How to indent reply and also signing the post. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sush150 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: I'm baffled how you don't already know these basics. You sign by typing four tildes like ~~~~, which is indicated at the top of your edit window. Indenting is with colons. A new comment doesn't require an indent. A response requires an indent. A response to a response requires an indent. See this:

I'm tired.

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::I didn't get enough sleep last night.

:::Get some sleep tonight!

::::Good idea, thanks!

Sometimes you will want to respond to one comment, but not others. Look at how my "The list is going to be pointless if there is no comparison" response is formatted You have now been educated, although it's really weird that we're having this conversation here. Please adhere appropriately. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:56, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: Bollywood Hungama considers Saaho as Hindi Dubbed, which we both agree is wrong. So we cannot take the site as a gospel truth. Also you cannot simply say"Don't know it would include malayalam dub version.", "I am not sure the figures are right. And this is not part of my consider." and leave it there. The onus is on you to make case for your edit and explain why it's the best way forward.--Ab207 (talk) 05:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: See you also know this Saaho was filmed primarily in both Hindi and Telugu with partial reshots in Tamil which means this film's total collections should be on the Hindi, Telugu, and Tamil pages. SP013 (talk) 17:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@SP013:,@Cyphoidbomb:, @Ab207: Please check this page history I am added All languages Worldwide wide collection when Saaho was released But @Krimuk2.0: not allow me.[1] Sush150 (talk) 18:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: That was back in September 2019 how does that affect it today when nobody has removed it and kept Saaho at 433 cr for a while before you changed the page by removing it without a proper reason but one reason that only Hindi collections matter. Also indent your repsonses both Cyphoidbomb and Ab207 have told you. SP013 (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@SP013: I have a proper reason according to Bollywood Hungama site it earn 190 cr.[2] Sush150 (talk) 04:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sush150: Why do you keep using Bollywood Hungama as a reason to change the box office? SP013 (talk) 15:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Since the discussion has been long, I'm briefly listing the arguments why worldwide gross of all versions should be displayed:
  1. This has been the common practice till Baahubali 2: The Conclusion, where the total gross featured in both Telugu and Tamil lists, therefore not including Saaho would be making new rules only for Bollywood.
  2. All the films hitherto listed worldwide gross including dubbed versions which means it was never a "Hindi-only" figure. Hence, there is no rationale in excluding simultaneously shot versions.
  3. Not including Saaho, would make the list inconsistent with List of highest-grossing Indian films where Saaho appears in all the three language lists. There would also be no justification for rebuffing numerous edit requests to include only "Tamil-industry" films in Tamil list.
  4. Bad precedent, going by the reports Prabhas' next film would also be Telugu-Hindi bilingual and there are numerous pan-Indian films (films releasing across multiple Indian languages) lined up. Single version-only figures would put multilingual films at a disadvantage in financials.
  5. Data anomalies, it is near impossible to find how much gross each version of the film collected given the opaque financials of Indian films, not to mentions about dubs of multilingual films, for eg. Where should we include malayalam dub figures? Is it Hindi because T-series co-produced it, or Telugu because the lead actor is Telugu, or Tamil because Kerela is Tamil Nadu's neighbour?
  Therefore displaying ww figures of all versions would avoid these inconsistencies, anomalies and confusions. It goes without saying that a note is already there that it is total gross of all versions.--Ab207 (talk) 05:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)