Talk:Kirkcaldy/GA3

GA Review

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After making neccessary edits and additions (to include a built environment sub-section, and extensions/alterations to geography, demography, culture and history). I am wondering if the article is getting closer to GA status since i had been told that it had met some GA requirements. I would like to use this nomination to see what else needs to be done. Kilnburn (talk) 14:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Starting review.Pyrotec (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Initial review

I have been working slowly through the article; and there is still a long way to go. Prose still remains a problem, for example, what does the following mean:

• "any new housing estates both residential and private (Raith, Muttonhall, Templehall and Sauchenbush) were built in the town to conceive the housing crisis being felt".
• "Despite many efforts to bring new jobs to the town and employment being allowed to dwindle at the few remaining firms, the town has long had high unemployment.

Pyrotec (talk) 12:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

GAR - On hold

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Prose quality is generally poor - see separate comments below

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

   possibly, but poor grammatical style hinders understanding

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Overall the article could meet GA-class, but it will require an extensive clean up of the grammar. If this can be accomplished in the next week or so then attaining GA during this GAR could be possible. It this is not possible, then the article would need resubmitting. Pyrotec (talk) 18:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Detailed comments

History section - overall, now at a reasonable standard.

• Some ambiguity (or sloppy writing) is "Nairn's", if that is its proper name, is it referring to a family, a company, or a family-owned company. Later Michael Nairn & Co Ltd, John Nairn, Michael Nairn, the Nairn's, Nairn's and Forbo Nairn are all used without explanation (apart from the relationship between John and Michael).
• What does "housing anticipated over the 20 years" mean? Is it the last 20 years?
• Lots of marketing hyperbole is present - "Kirkcaldy continues to function as a busy town", "industrial powerhouse", "once proud industries", "remains as popular as ever loved by young and old". What does this mean in real English: "is" , "industrial town", "closed factories", "busy"?

Governance - was the interests really Monitored?

• Its not clear to me - Kirkcaldy is listed as a unitary authority , but it has 11 councillors on Fife Council?
• "The initial role of Kirkcaldy's Town House was the home of the District Council before being reduced to the administrative headquarters for the Central Region of Fife Council in 1996 which it still functions as today" - marketing hyperbole.

Geography

• What are Invertiel and Boreland?

Built environment

• Was the planed increase in population 55,000 to 70,000, or was it planned to increase the population to between 55,000 and 70,000?
• What does "when this was cheaper in the current state of the economy at the time" mean?
• What does "when they put an emphasis on district councils to do so" mean?

Demography

• What is SIMD - it should be defined (or wikilinked?)
• Is (Strategic Environment Assessment) a typo - there is a (Strategic Environmental Assessment)?

Town centre

• What's the difference between the "Mercat Centre" and the Mercat Shopping Centre" - one word, two different places, or sloppy editing?

Education

• "the school managed to occupy premises on ..." - is the word "managed" needed?
• most populated school !!!!???

Employment

• "market leader in customer management" is this something important or just marketing "Bull S***T"

Transport

• What is "Kirkcaldy is served by the A92 which connects the town to Glenrothes A911 and Dundee to the north and Dunfermline A907 to the west—which the latter coincides with the M90 motorway leading to the Forth Road Bridge and Edinburgh" trying to say?
• Does Stagecoach Fife provide a hairdressers service?
• Is it all that encyclopaedic that a 26 mile drive to the airport only takes a good 35 minutes drive and a 17 mile drive to the port only takes a good 20 minute drive - this is marketing hypo!

The WP:lead

• "making this the largest populated town in Fife", does Fife have any unpopulated towns?

Wikilinking.

Can only be described as patchy. Some subsections, such as Transport and Notable People are plastered with wikilinks - presumably editors have knowledge of these people/subjects. The History section had very few links before I starting adding them; Media had none - I added one; Employment has none; Demography has one - but it might be wrong; Built environment had one & I added two; I think I added all those in Westminster and Holyrood, but I might not. The History section has a reasonable number, but I added at least half of them.

Missing information

• Nairn's - even the article appears to be unsure of the name of the company - appears to have been one of the most important employers in the town. Yet, the article does not appear to know the proper name of the company; and it almost totally fails to provide hard information. More importance appears to be given to (low quality?) call centre jobs.
• Various suburbs, if that is the right word, appear to be listed in the article in possibly the date-sequence that they were added to the town. But why not provide a list of suburbs, or even provide a diagram with their names and the date that they were added to Kirkcaldy.
• Pictures of Houses - its nice to see some pictures with the road names, but why not describe them as English-style, Scottish-style - don't make us guess.

References / Citations

Comments have been made before in the talk page, in the article by a {flag} and on the talk page below about the quality of the references used. There are an impressive number of references/citations 157. Most of them are "light weight", newspaper articles, BBC news, tourist guides, etc, but not all. Much of them are about today - so "today" at least is reasonably verifiable.

What is written is readable, well ignoring the marketing hyperbole, but is it verifiable? - possibly not. Kirkcaldy Local Plans are cited, so these are presumed to be verifiable.Pyrotec (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

GA

Based on recent editorial work carried out since the article was put On Hold, most if not all of my comments have been addressed. I still think that some of the references used or light-weight and that better references are available. However, I'm awarding GA-status.Pyrotec (talk) 20:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)