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Prominent Kapampangans

Perhaps the people listed under this section should instead be moved to Category:Kapampangans; it’s getting too long.

I'd even say, the article as a whole is biased. I've tagged it for NPOV concerns. --- Tito Pao 12:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Half of the article is now devoted to the list; I’m ~~moving it~~ intending to have it moved to Category talk:Kapampangans. As for the rest of the article, I don’t think I myself can contribute much.

rudy fernandez,dick israel, roi vinzon,are kapampangan actor ;,,geronimo cruz,gabby fajardo,felicisimo fajardo,tembong melencio,norman gonzalez,romy lopez,amy austria her mother from mexico pampanga —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.97.24.82 (talk) 19:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article Neutrality

Somebody should seriously fix this article. Horribly biased. Quite horribly. Lol, almost reeks of WP:VANITY. Shrumster 21:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doing my best to fix it. Ushiwaka (talk) 12:05, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Donita Rose

She may have moved and grown up in Kapampangan lands, but does she herself accept a Kapampangan identity, given that she does not even have Kapampangan parents to start with?

She does and she takes pride of being a Pampangueña already as shown by how she introduces herself in provincial shows stating that she grew up in Clark and Angeles is what she considers her home in the Philippines. Ikabod08 01:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Ikabod08[reply]

Donita Rose Cavett admits she grew up in Carmenville in Angles City with her cousins on her mom's side...but they spoke English and Pangasinense at home and not Kapampangan. It is a bit doubtful that she even identified herself as Kapampangan. She doesn't even speak it. Carmenville was an Amerasian enclave where English is the most dominant language and not Kapampangan. Ushiwaka (talk) 12:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Donita Rose Redux

Donita Rose has been taken off the list. Not everyone who grew up within the Kapampangan Region, especially within the cosmopolitan city of Angeles, necessarily belongs to the Kapampangan ethno-linguistic group. Miss Rose's Philippine-half is Pangasinan-Chinese.

Bruneian invasion?

Remove this subject it's a hoax. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.68.114 (talk) 06:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs some realistic improvement.

The Kapampangan people are not related to the Guangdong ren, Hoklo ren because this peoples are Han Chinese and are racially and culturally different from Kapampangan people of the Philippines. The one who make this article seems to be ethnocentric & has a lack of education especially about anthropology and sociology. Revise this please so it can meet wiki standards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.68.114 (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Population Survey

What is the source for this figure: 2,890,000??? Can anyone cite the source and year?

Kapampangan Dictionary

Mayap a aldo keko ngan,

Egana ganang Kapampangan ken, Agkat dakayu na misasaup saup tamu na pasikan ing Amanu tamung Kapampangan, Malyari la keni deng egana ganang pamanyulat(style) , Aku susulat ku keng keng paralan a sulat wawa, uling ita ing aku a akasanayan ku, adjang sulat baculud, malyari ya keni, Ing importanti Misasanmetung tamu sana para etaya paburen mawala ing kekatamung pakamalan a amanu. Kapampangan tamu , mag kapampangan tamu. Buri ku mu mabayu kakau tang , maralas na tin ku aayabe na tagalug a salita na balaku Kapampangan ya, Halimbawa namo nini, tang pesalwan daku tindahan sabi ku ” papalit me ulit” , balakusa mo kapampngan ne it.ngeni pala ing tune kapampangan na nita, “Paialili meng pasibayu”. Nung nanu man malyari tamung asaup keni malyari pu, Deng lumang at malalam a katayang kapampangan sana alage tala rin. Pisaup saup taya at misasanmetung keng pamag gambul tamu keng Amanung Sisuan, Kapampangan tamu, Pag maragul tamu. Munta kayu keng http://pam.wiktionary.org

Dakal Salamat Keng suporta, –Franz710 Kixzer ^(talk) 23:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC) “H” doesn’t matter.[reply]

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Requested move 3 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus about which is the common name. Votes split, reasonable arguments from both sides. Jenks24 (talk) 16:06, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kapampangan people → Pampango people – WP:COMMONNAME. Pampango people or "Pampangos" is the common name for this ethnic group in English reliable sources. See Ngram graph. In the English WP, we use English names. Hence, Filipino people not Pilipino people, Visayan people not Bisaya people, Cebuano people not Sugbuanon people and Ilocano people not Ilokano people. RioHondo (talk) 01:41, 3 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 23:22, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose Firstly, if you search Ngram for Kapampangan and Pampango not Kapampangans or Pampangos you see that Kapampangan is by far the preferred term. I question why the nom choose to add the 's' when searching Ngram when not proposing using the 's' in the title? This was misleading. A number of reliable sources use Kapampangan such as the Encyclopaedia Britannica A Google search for Kapampangan people gives 468,000 while a search for Pampango people gives 40,700 AusLondonder (talk) 19:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously because it distinguishes the speakers from the language and other things, which your search obfuscates. Pampango has a longer history, and currently the two are close. We'd really need to see results from RS's for the topic to discriminate between the two choices. — kwami (talk) 00:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, the Ngram from both the nom and myself are without the world 'people' while my Google search includes the word people. AusLondonder (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, this should be considered together with the language. Either both should be moved, or neither. — kwami (talk) 00:43, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1. As this is an academic topic, I used Google Books in determining which between the two forms, the local Kapampangan or the English Pampango is more used by scholarly sources to refer to this ethnic group. Second, a search on Google Books for "Kapampangan people" and "Pampango people" yield zero results, which suggests that, in English, they are more commonly referred to in the English plural form (adding s) and not how WP uses people to disambiguate from the language per WP:NCLANG. Third, the Britannica entry copies from WP in that it also mentions Pampango as alternative name in the lede. Fourth, using Google Books is more reliable IMO as it searches for the use of the terms in formal and academic English, and weeds out results for popular but Taglish, colloquial or pure local language uses like Pinoy for Filipino or Boricua for Puerto Ricans or Magyarok for Hungarians. And lastly, I am a Filipino and I know my English from my Tagalog. I know when to use Kapampangan or Katagalugan and when to use Pampango or Tagalog.--RioHondo (talk) 00:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support A bibliographic search supports the shorter form. Details on the language RfM. — kwami (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose. Not WP:Commonname. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:02, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Google Books link i posted above says it is. In formal and academic English, we use Pampango not the native name Kapampangan which is barely even pronouncable for native English speakers. I know the native name is your preference, but we have clear guidelines here to use English common names. (Anyway, Pampango is not entirely foreign compared to Kapampangan, if that's what you worry about, both terms are derived from the native word Pampang: river bank).--RioHondo (talk) 02:37, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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