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Clarification of "1967–1994" Panel in the Overview

The caption says:

"In 1980–81 Israel annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. Neither Israel's annexation nor Palestine's claim over East Jerusalem has been internationally recognized."

Without knowing the back and forth on this (I was just here to read up on this because I don't know much about it after all) this seems counterintuitive. If Israel annexed two territories, and that annexation was not internationally recognized in the case of the Golan Heights, why would the case of East Jerusalem be the other way around? To me, the caption reads like the annexation of East Jerusalem got recognized and Palestine later "claimed it back" but that claim was not recognized. Is that correct?

So I guess some clarification might be in order here. Thanks very much for the nice overview by the way, this was exactly what I had been looking for :)

Gaps in Overview table

Since the British Mandate ended in 1948, and with only a brief exception from 1956-1957 for Gaza, there is a 19 year gap of information about who was in control of the four former Mandate parts. I suppose I could assume that they were controlled by Egypt, Jordan, etc., but I would very much like to see this made explicit in a dedicated row. Does anyone know the history well enough to feel justified in adding the information? Must I try to be a bit more clear? Who did Israel take occupation from? Not from the British that late, so ... nobody? Jordan? Who? StephanNaro (talk) 10:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed interesting pont.

Jordan annexed the West Bank following their invasion of the region. The Gaza strip was under Egyptian rule following their invasion of the region. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you have more questions feel free to ask. Homerethegreat (talk) 14:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

East Jerusalem in the Overview table

Is there a reason Israel isn't listed in the "Claimed by" list for East Jersualem? Lebanon and Syria are doubled-up in "Claimed by" and "Currently administered by". I didn't want to add in case there was a specific reason, but shouldn't Israel be there too because it claims East Jersualem as part of Israel? Yr Enw (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dissolution of Military governorate

The lead says the military governorate was dissolved in 1981, the cited source doesnt seem appropriate (would need a secondary source rather than a UN report).

Also, Sara Roy describes the formation of the civil administration in 1981:

Soon thereafter, the Israeli government instituted a civil administration in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, structurally parallel to that of the military ad- ministration and subject to it. In that sense, the civil administration was, in effect, an integral part of the military structure. Implemented in Gaza on 1 De- cember 1981, the CIVAD, as it came to be known, was given responsibility over all nonmilitary sectors such as health, education, and welfare.

DMH223344 (talk) 00:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Missing map of historically Arab owned areas

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What I think should be changed: Add a combined map of territories owned by different parties in 1945 in the Overview table of maps.
Why it should be changed: There is a lot of information about what Jews owned and what others proposed to allocate, but I found myself wanting a complete picture of what the actual situation was before the UNSC split the borders. It would also help with comparing to the existing image showing current day ownership. There is already an image available on Wikipedia which I think would be a good fit for this.
References supporting the possible change: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mandatory_Palestine_Land_Ownership_in_1945.png

Baskismash (talk) 19:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not done This page is not the correct place to make this request. Please make your request at Template talk:Palestinian territory development. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 20:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

POV tag

I haven't read the entire article yet, but this already needs major work to resolve POV issues. I have addressed some of these. The main issue is that the article continues to treat the questions relating to the legality of the occupation as being disputed, when in fact it had been settled by the ICJ and every other human rights RS. Also, for example, there was no mention of settlements in the lede, which I added; but this needs more elaboration. There is no mention of the institutional system of discrimination by Israel against the Palestinians per ICJ, which many have called apartheid, in the lede. The weird table below has a row for "claimed by", which insinuates the Sinai Peninsula is "claimed by" Egypt. These are some of the actionable issues for now. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the article continues to treat the questions relating to the legality of the occupation as being disputed, when in fact it had been settled by the ICJ ... less than a week ago. starship .paint (RUN) 05:42, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]