Talk:Ellis Ellis-Griffith

Page title and Introduction

I propose changing the title of this page to: (1) Ellis Jones Griffith

or (2) Ellis Jones Griffith (after 1918, Ellis-Griffith)

or (3) Ellis Jones Ellis-Griffith

or (4) Ellis Jones Griffith (Ellis-Griffith)

I prefer (1).

Also I propose amending the introductory sentences so that they read :

Ellis Jones Griffith (23 May 1860 – 30 November 1926), a barrister and Liberal politician, was MP for Anglesey 1895 - 1918 and for Carmarthen from December 1922 until his resignation in 1923. in 1918 he was created a baronet and changed his surname to Ellis-Griffith, his full style becoming: The Rt Hon Sir Ellis Jones Ellis-Griffith Bt, KC, PC.

Reasons :

The main proposed change is in the title. For most of his political career (including his four General election victories in Anglesey) he was known as Ellis Griffith or Ellis Jones Griffith. Contemporary references to him will use one of these forms. It was only after he was created a baronet in 1918 that he changed his name to Ellis-Griffith. Under this name he contested three elections - he lost Anglesey in December 1918 and the University of Wales seat in 1922; he won Carmarthen in 1923 but resigned his seat in 1924.

The main biography of him is entitled 'Ellis Jones Griffith' - T. I. Ellis, Ellis Jones Griffith (Llandybie 1969).

The Oxford DNB article on him is entitled : 'Griffith, Sir Ellis Jones Ellis-, first baronet'

His entry in the Cambridge University alumni database has hin as: "Griffith (post Ellis-Griffith), Ellis Jones (GRFT880EJ)".

What do others think ?

Gwedi elwch (talk) 00:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)