Talk:Edible plant stem

Context

I am trying hard to stay away from Wikipedia for some time, but I feel strongly that this article should at least refer to root vegetable, category:root vegetables, and category:stem vegetables.

It should be noted that the existing articles and categories root vegetable, leaf vegetable, category:root vegetables, category:leaf vegetables, category:inflorescence vegetables, and category:vegetable-like fruits (which I would strongly like to rename to category:fruit vegetables), are explicitly concerned with a different taxonomy than is this article, more of a functional or folk taxonomy compared to the very strict anatomical taxonomy implied by the inclusion here of the fig. I believe that both systems represent interesting and informative generalizations, and I would like to see them well represented, by some combination of articles and categories, but I don't how that can best be done. The conversation at User talk:Marasek is relevant here.

As a side note, I believe this article should be moved to Edible plant stem in line with Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lowercase second and subsequent words and Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Prefer singular nouns.

— Pekinensis 19:36, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Further suggestions

As I am trying to minimize the amount of editing I do, I will restrict my self to making suggestions here.

I believe the article would benefit from the use of == Section titles == rather than raw '''BOLD ALL-CAPS TEXT''', and from explicit lists instead of list items in individual paragraphs:

List:

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Also, I believe there are two articles you were looking for at nopal and Nelumbo nucifera.

— Pekinensis 20:04, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Unable to restrain myself from editing Wikipedia, I have made these formatting changes. I have not addressed of the content issues mentioned above. — Pekinensis 18:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for all the editing you have done. The page looks great! This was my first wiki posting and it was a requirement for a plant biology class, so learning all of the formatting tricks and techniques was much more than I could handle. However else you would like to improve upon the page, go ahead. I know you're trying to take a wikivacation, but why torture yourself??? Format away!

Shanghaidlily 16:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Comments about Edible Plant Stems

Your page have interesting information especially I enjoyed reading "Detailed description of edible plant stems" part.

Since we used Celery (Apium graveolens) stems for our labs, how about adding this one to your page? Actually celery is edible for most parts, not just only stem though…. There is a page for celery in this Wikipedia pages. It is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celery May be you can take a look and decide if you want to include it.

Also, the common stems like bamboo shoot that we eat in Chinese restaurants can be added? I heard that is also part of stem…I found also bamboo page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_shoot

I was wondering, if you include radish or potato (root and stem edible part), there are probably endless items that have to be include into this “edible plant stem” section. As someone who wrote an advice before me, may be it is easier for later on if you categorize edible stems, root and stems, leaf and stems, and so on separately.

Good luck on your page!

-Sayako July 24th 2005

I believe that the most widely eaten part of celery is the petiole, not a stem in the strictest sense. This article seems to have been written with strictest sense in mind. I believe you are correct about bamboo. — Pekinensis 13:03, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your info. I recieved from the author about the celery and bamboo, too. The page looks improved, awesome! Good Luck!Sayako July 31 2005

what are the impacts on genetically modified plants?

edible plant

what is the most common edible plant in new zealand? i don't know

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What is a stem?

This article is a mess. The definition of stem being used is very inconsistent. On the one hand, we've got potatoes, which yes, are technically stem tissue. But the part of the potato that most people would consider stem (the above ground part) is pretty toxic. Then there's rhubarb; if I were going for a very technical definition, I would call petioles part of the leaf. Alliums are listed as "swollen leaves with a little bit of stem"; well, there's tons of leafy vegetables that are usually prepared with a little bit of stem/petiole included. Figs? Again, there are many of "fruits" with stem tissue (strawberries, cashew apples, etc.) I think most people would consider bark (e.g. cinnamon) distinct from stem. Maple trees may have the stem tapped, but I wouldn't consider the sap part of the stem. You COULD tap the roots, although yields would probably be lower.

So we've got a very technical definition of stem that includes things most people would consider roots or fruits, but then we've also got petioles (leaf) being considered as stem, as well as sap and bark.

Ideally, I would think this article should exclude any below ground stems, and should only include foods where the edible portion is predominantly petiole/stem/floral rachis. That is, scrap the technical definition of stem and go for a folk taxonomic definition.

Steven Facciola's book Cornucopia II has a list of plants with edible "Stems/Flower Stalks" as well as "Petioles". This would be a good reference; I might get around to editing this page based on it myself.192.104.39.2 (talk) 21:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah this is complete nonsense, but it doesn't help that 'stem' is kind of poorly defined. It's easy enough to think of it as the main trunk/stalk of a plant with the xylem and phloem, but nearly every part has at least a little of that. It'd be like calling your fingertip part of your heart just because it has capillaries in it. What's more, several _trees_ are listed. If bark like cinnamon or birch bark (or sap(!!!) )counts as stem, then this is just a mess. On top of that, the very first entry just ends abruptly like the Sbemail 'vampire.' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.204.139 (talk) 04:23, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

This article and the similar ones need a lot of work

I currently do not have the time, but will do my best to slowly update these articles both in format and information quality. Almost no citation or linkage in the wild edibles section. The entire system of classifying edible plants needs an overhaul. Is there a discussion page that would be suited for a conversation about this? TooManyTooMuch (talk) 13:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

kupal The edible portion is stem segments When you click on the link, you find that Kupal is a place in the Mideast. There is no reference to a plant. I tried to find a plant called Kupal to no avail.

ideas

Yacaratia, nopales, purslane, taugé, yautia, cassave, ustilago-infected bamboo, jerusalem artichoke, cardoon, konjac, bermuda arrowroot, canna, ulluco, yacón, oca, mashua, jicama, curcuma, galanga, laos, giant taro, camus, peyote, san pedro, maca, salsify

compound fruit-breadfruit, strawberry, durian, jackfruit, soursop, cherimoya, pineapple -all basically the same as cauliflower or fig.

86.83.56.115 (talk) 21:11, 2 November 2018 (UTC)