Talk:Chloé Zhao

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American?

Anyone have a source for her being an American citizen? JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 00:04, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

This from The New York Times has a correction that says, "An earlier version of this article mischaracterized Chloe Zhao as Asian-American. She is Chinese." So her nationality should stay Chinese unless indicated by a source that delves into the specifics closely. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

To follow up, this talks about a mixed reaction and mentions that this article originally was published as this with the director being quoted, "The US is now my country, ultimately, but maybe it is easier for me than how I see my friends are reacting [to everything], especially this year." More coverage about her Chinese and American roots will probably follow. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:55, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

At the end of the article mentioned before, the editor's note says that "A version of this article originally published in December incorrectly quoted Ms Zhao as saying America is "now" her country, it has been updated to reflect she said "not" her country."

Name order

Zhao is her family name. Usually a Chinese uses the name format following the rule on Wikipedia: "English given name(s) family name" in western name order or "family name given name(s)" in eastern order unlike a Hong Konger uses the name format like "English given name(s) family name Chinese given name(s)". So she can be called only Chloe Zhao or only Zhao Ting, but not a combination of Chloe Zhao Ting if she does not emphasise it. Itsuhi 23:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Relationship with China

As a result of recent coverage, I started a "Relationship with China" section since this appears to make up a distinct subtopic. I invite other editors to review the section and discuss the structure and content here. I have done a similar section before with Wolf Totem (film) § Director's relationship with China, though this particular relationship transcends more than one film. Pinging editors who have contributed significantly to date: ElizaOscar, SibTower1987. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:48, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

• Chloe Zhao Backlash Will Test China's New Era of Hollywood Censorship
• The curious censorship of Chloé Zhao’s Nomadland

References for use. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:07, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

• Please familiarize yourself with the following policy: WP:NOTNEWS. It does matter if the tabloids find a story newsworthy for a particular day: routine news reporting of announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Therefore, the section needs to be summarized. Thank you. Leotext (talk) 23:09, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

To further clarify, based on WP:EVENTCRIT:

a) This recent event has not proven (at this time) to have endured historical significance (unlike ex. Hurricane Katrina). Will history remember that time when an authoritarian government censored one of hundreds of thousands of events/people the party censors on a daily basis?

b) The event hardly qualifies as having widespread international impact beyond Western papers documenting a niche group of online Chinese nationalists (discussion on Chloe Zhao has almost no engagement in Chinese language sources and social media)

c) the coverage is entirely related to the Academy Awards and part of the 24 hour celebrity news cycle. Leotext (talk) 23:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

This is not "routine news reporting". Ever since the Golden Globes over two months ago, articles about Chloe Zhao have mentioned her comments about China and how China has been treating coverage about her film Nomadland and her wins. This subtopic will persist in coverage with her next film Eternals. For better or for worse, this subtopic is a key part of her encyclopedic background.

Also, please familiarize yourself with WP:EVENTCRIT, which is a notability guideline for creating articles about events. I did not create an article and do not think one is warranted (at this time).

Furthermore, regarding b), the section literally says, "...state-owned media in China, including China Central Television, People's Daily, and Global Times, 'sought to claim Zhao's glory for China'." And of course coverage has not continued because they've effectively censored her, per other sources. And I've already addressed c), that the coverage has been ongoing from Golden Globes through Oscars up to now, so the 24-hour news cycle claim is also untrue. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 11:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Not Chinese and not woman of color

She is an immigrant to the United States when she was younger if she liked it or not. She is not a Chinese person like a person that grew up in China, brought up in China and encultured in Chinese culture. She was very young when she went to US and is assimilated. I would not call her "Chinese", she might be Chinese-American, or Chinese-born American or Chinese-born and definitely not a Chinese director from China, and she is not "women of color" to because that don't mean anything in Asia. Stop trying to drum up her "Chinese" it won't work. She is an immigrated, assimilated, encultured Chinese born girl. 202.9.46.152 (talk) 14:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. As editors, our opinions do not matter. From what I can tell, no source argues against her being Chinese. The New York Times specifically said here, "An earlier version of this article mischaracterized Chloe Zhao as Asian-American. She is Chinese." That kind of reliably-sourced content is what we follow. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:59, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

It is called commonsense. She is not "Chinese," since she was a girl when she immigrated to the US. She doesn't and can't know what she is talking about since she was a kid. She is an American citizen, legally there is no double nationality with China. Get your facts straight. Her relationship with China is her parents and some movies. She doesn't know what she is talking about. 202.9.46.152 (talk) 15:00, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Please share reliable sources sharing these "facts". Otherwise what you say here is completely irrelevant. If you persist in your disruptive editing of the article, you will be blocked. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

She is an immigrant to the United States. She is not a Chinese person, especially since she was a child when she left China LOL. She was not grown up enough to make her own judgment on these things. You cannot pin what she says by setting her identity on it. She knows jack ****.202.9.46.152 (talk) 15:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

She moved to the UK at the age of 15, that's late enough to be considered Chinese and not just Chinese-born. WeGotThatBeduguhuc (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

she is NOT an American citizen. she is Chinese. 2604:2D80:4080:9500:AF:BBC6:EFBD:2510 (talk) 15:06, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Uneducated editors

Need to know a couple of things before starting/editing/changing these articles - Was she a Chinese person by spending most of her time in China? - Is she an American citizen? If so, she lost her Chinese citizenship if she had any - Was she a small girl when she immigrated to the United States? - Does she know what she is talking about when it comes to China? - Is she parroting what her parents told her about China?

She is an immigrated American born who just happened to be born in China. That is all. 202.9.46.152 (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

All this is irrelevant to ask. Wikipedia depends on reliable sources, not editors' opinions. Sources should be brought up here for discussion. If The New York Times calls her Chinese, that is a reliable source stating that, and it cannot be overturned by editors citing their own opinions. I have looked but have not seen any reliable source calling her an American citizen. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Having one source is not enough. It is like saying. The sky is red because New York Times said sky is red, but you know that sky is blue. I'm writing this in Chinese because NY Times said I'm writing this in Chinese. You shouldn't rely solely on one source and assume everything is finished. 202.9.46.152 (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

One source is better than none, which is what you have provided. There are no sources calling her an American citizen. You're shifting the goalposts over an unwillingness to change your personal opinion and recognize how Wikipedia functions. If new information comes out, then we make the changes. Otherwise we have what we have. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:26, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

This mentions her getting a visa when she was 18 years old. (It's not mentioned in the article at this time.) Not seeing any other details in regard to this, like if it's been renewed or whatever. This is the kind of editor work that needs to be done to shape the article's content. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I'm just saying make sure she knows what she is talking about and pin that on her if necessary. If she was 16 and says all sorts of anti-Chinese stuff, you cannot assume that that is her own opinion that she dug out from somewhere instead of parroting her parents' opinion on how things were awful back in China. I'm just saying her opinions are sufficiently formed and she had her own experiences on the stuff she says. If she didn't experience these things on her own, it is not her opinion. She needs to have really experienced what she says on her own only. It is like saying. Africa is hot. People cannot live there or they will burn to death, but I never personally went to Africa and burned to death there. It is just an assumption that I read somewhere, but it is not enough to set my whole identity and who I am on this one sentence. 202.9.46.152 (talk) 15:43, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, that seems like a completely distinct matter and more for in the heart of the article, not the general characteristics. And reliable sources would also be needed for commentary about her statements about China, from any direction (positive, negative, somewhere in between). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:52, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

For example, this says, "The Global Times, a Communist Party-owned newspaper, broke the silence to urge Ms. Zhao to play a 'mediating role' between China and the United States and 'avoid being a friction point. We hope she can become more and more mature,' the paper wrote in an editorial that was published only in English." Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

"Zhao resides in Burbank, California with three chickens and two dogs,[54] and her partner and cinematographer, Joshua James Richards.[10]"

I know that in left-wing progressive newspapers adored by most Wikipedia editors this sentences sounds "cool," but Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia with certain standards, so how about rewriting that line, e.g. "Zhao resides in Burbank, California with her partner and cinematographer, Joshua James Richards. They have two pet dogs and and three chickens." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C4E:249A:5900:68CE:1388:EF49:BE35 (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

See the inline sourcing. The page is trying to account which piece of info specifically comes from which source. It's tough to rewrite when sourcing is a higher priority. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:41, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Citizenship

The note in the first paragraph seems to disagree with the article’s statement about her being a naturalized American citizen. Who has reliable information about her current citizenship?Aresef (talk) 18:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)