Talk:Cesar Romero

Continuity Error

"Romero revealed that he had a sexual encounter with friend Desi Arnaz in a 1996 interview."

Romero died in 1994. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.139.136.187 (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Grand Hotel - "The Max Factor"?

When did Cesar Romero star in the Grand Hotel, Anaheim, California dinner theatre performance of "The Max Factor"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.213.79 (talk) 18:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Daughters

Who are these two described as Romero's daughters ? - http://www.cubanow.net/global/loader.php?secc=5&cont=stories/num11/01.htm -- Beardo 02:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Whether Romero Was Martí's Grandson

See this from Wikipedia's article on Jose Martí: "On June 30 his (Martí's) wife and son arrived in New York. After a short time, in which Carmen Zayas Bazán realized that Martí's dedication to Cuban independence surpassed that of supporting his family, she returned to Havana with her son on 27 August. Martí would never see them again. The fact that his wife never shared the convictions central to his life was an enormous personal tragedy for Martí. He turned for solace to Carmen Miyares de Mantilla, a Venezuelan who ran a boarding house in New York, and he is presumed to be the father of her daughter María Mantilla, who was in turn the mother of the actor Cesar Romero, who proudly claimed to be Martí's grandson."Godofredo29 (talk) 19:02, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

TV

Mr. Romero starred in a late 50s or early 60s TV show, not listed in this article, in which he played a secret courier who transported important documents in a brief case attached to his wrist with handcuffs. The opening credits always showed him cuffing the brief case and boarding a Super Constellation airplane. Does anyone know the name of this show? Bongorafa 19:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

"Passport to Danger" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046634/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.250.191.169 (talk) 20:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

It is a slight on the memory of Cesar Romero to disregard his most iconic "straight" role

You only have to read the reference in IMDb to realize that "Captain from Castile" was a blockbuster, an epic, and made Romero a credible major star for as least a decade. Any standard text on Cortez will show the Aztec Codex illustrations of the spanish in metal suits of armor, with classic visored "enclosed helmets", that we associate with the age of jousting and taking castles...The conquistadors were spanish kinghts, and armoured ground troopers. In order to show the gleeming smiles of the two leading men, the costumers played a bit loose with historical accuracy. A double visored "knights" helmet whould confuse the public, and hide the dimpled chin of Mr. Power. These looked so good, and were seen by so many people, that the icon stuck. It was the english, 70 years later, who most commonly wore the type of "morion helmet" used to show off the two stars. Wikipedia is not supposed to use original research, true, but any jr. college art history major has seen the Aztec codex and European woodcuts depicting the real event. It is a pity that Wikipedia has no meaningful reference to this extremely important film. The musical score, by Alfrem Newman, is still played marching bands in parades and at football games. Romero's TV career is a footnote to his huge, passing stardom from this famous role. Please expain your actions, if you delete ALL of this reference again. 3dnatureguy 08:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Um... what the hell are you on about? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.50.240 (talk) 19:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Who's Maria?

it says on his page: There was some speculation that Maria was fathered by Martí who was a boarder in the Mantilla household but he never claimed Maria as his daughter in his lifetime.

who the hell is maria? her name is not mentioned anywhere else on the page. if it's nothing to do with romero, why is it here? it should be on Martí's page, not romero's. 194.221.133.211 14:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

What's in a name?

I have a question. Is his name "Caesar" Romero, and how it's spelled in the bio is an error?

Or is it "Cesar" and Cesar is the Spanish version of Caesar?

I've seen both spellings on the web.

On the Batman TV show, William Dozier, the producer of the show as well as the narrator, pronounced it "SAY-SAR" Romero although it was spelled C-A-E-S-A-R; if he was correct, then that was how Mr.Romero himself pronounced it which is a strong argument for CESAR. Which is which? Or are both spellings equally valid? Are their any Latino fans who want to settle this?Bernard ferrell 16:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Howard Johns and 200.56.197.252 & 200.56.197.206

The edits by 200.56.197.206 (talk · contribs) (on 30 December 2007) & 200.56.197.252 (talk · contribs) (on 2 January 2008) are either Howard Johns himself, or his publicist. Please review all entries noted to Johns, and verify with a second verifiable source, or remove it. They constitute Original Research and POV. Thanks. IP4240207xx (talk) 03:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Removed. IP4240207xx (talk) 05:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Liberation theology

I just deleted parts of the first sentence about Romero's liberationist stance, as they were clearly biased. Liberation theology is not a blend of "religion" and "communism", and Marx' views about religion are even further away from the topic. --87.169.28.188 (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

TV remake

If someone can't come up with a citation for that, it should be removed. It seems highly unlikely that WB is going to make a camp batman series and devalue their serious and valuable film property. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.64.177 (talk) 03:03, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Contradition in his categories?

Why is Romero listed (under Categories, bottom of the page) as a "Christian Socialist" and as a "California Republican"? Republicans are the complete opposite of socialism. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sopm (talk • contribs) 02:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

And why are there still links to LGBT categories when all references to his bisexuality have been ruthlessly purged? — User:Dutchman Schultz —Preceding undated comment added 05:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC).

I do find evidence Romero supported Nixon in 1960 and 1972.[1][2][3] I don't find much evidence for "liberation theology" outside IMDB and mirrors of Wikipedia. Possibly he was more private on that or maybe the IMDB person is confusing Cesar Romero with either César Chávez or Óscar Romero. (Although I think bishop Romero was on the moderate end of liberation theology)--T. Anthony (talk) 06:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

His sexual orientation is disputed and he never made any claims to what his sexulaity was, so the categories don't belong (confirmed bachelor =/= homosexuality). As for politics.. it's fuzzy, mostly he said/she said. 98.198.83.12 (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the Republicans & socialism, they may be opposites now, but historically US parties weren't so clearly defined ideologically and there were socialists aligned to the Republicans - Vito Marcantonio began his career as a Republican and the Nonpartisan League in North Dakota operated through the Republicans in the early years. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

We do have a contradiction here with the main page saying he's just a bachelor (who could never find the right girl, had too many bad ones, or some other unhappy heterosexual scenario) and this page saying otherwise. I certainly remember being surprised many, many years ago to read he was homosexual, but I don't recall where that was, or whether it would pass our current standards of reliability.

But if you guys are saying that it's not definitely established, well then I guess that's the case.

I was told in the '90s that Tom Cruise was definitely gay because he was at some gay resort on Long Island by someone who'd seen him there. I offered an alternative explanation, namely, he's an open-minded guy and his gay buddy invited him over for the weekend (since his wife was having her curlers put in, for example) for a swim in the pool, and it means nothing whatsoever. The response was: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it doesn't work that way. So who knows? Sorry, this wasn't firsthand; it was this fellow's best friend who was the eyewitness. And we're already well into hearsay at this point. God knows.

Republicanism and socialism. Hmmm, National Socialism. Mussolini started as a socialist from a family of socialists who named him after socialist hero, Juarez. That does not equate Fascism and socialism; I think that demonstrates that people change their stripe. I was pro-Nixon in 1970. Reagan was Democrat when his wife was, and Republican when his wife was.

Liberation theology. Things in Central America were pretty nasty in the 1980s with Reagan and his terror armies and those cigar-smoking scumbag Contra leaders lounging around in Miami on the US taxpayer's dime. (I was pro-Reagan at that time. Hard to believe now. That is how propaganda works.) Liberation theology explicitly, or ideas of that sort, were broadly popular at the time, for obvious reasons. So Romero having sympathy with that, at that time, wouldn't necessarily be something worthy of note; everybody was thinking along those lines in the 1980s. It was normal; it was probably even more normal if your background was Hispanic.

Varlaam (talk) 16:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

"Confirmed bachelor"

The use of "Confirmed Bachelor" is a euphanism meaning "homosexual." It was ascribed to Caesar Romareo for a definite reason, and that reason was widely know in and out of hollwood...this is why he never married. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.132 (talk) 04:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

So he was gay then ? Why doesn't Wiki say this then ? The dead can't sue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.196.158 (talk) 14:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

That's his business. Wikipedia isn't a tabloid. Span (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

A Confirmed bachelor, while it has a homosexual meaning, can also mean one who is "wild" and never plans to settle down. Traditionally a man people never think will settle down or marry, who is too wild, or jaded against relationships (with males or females). As there is no evidence to the contrary, its pretty presumptuous to assume he was gay, and even then it was his business. source: Urban Dictionary--69.18.234.5 (talk) 18:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

"That's his business. Wikipedia isn't a tabloid." It was part of his life, and you're an asshole for simply write it off as "tabloid". He was open to friends and there are a handful of books he was interviewed for where he talks about it. See "Hollywood Gays" by Boze Hadleigh. The author interviewed him a number of different times between 1977 and the year of Romero's death. --98.246.156.76 (talk) 03:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

@98.246.156.76 -- this is an extremely belated (I just noticed it) warning regarding your unacceptably abusive conduct and language towards other editors on Wikipedia. Quis separabit? 00:46, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

OK... so somebody just site the book and boom, we can say he's gay on here. Do the work IP guy. Stop bitching about it.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:56, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Was he gay? Well, there again, we enter a minefield of semantics. In the time of which we are talking, gay had quite an innocent meaning - footloose, fancy-free - and only latterly moved from euphemism to definition of homosexual; indeed, without context, it is just as opaque as confirmed bachelor. (A modern viewer could get quite the wrong idea about The Gay Divorcé...) 2 B Promoted (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention that it's also my understanding that it was known in the industry that Cesar was gay, based on discussions with a friend who worked with him on two pictures (his nickname was 'Butch'). However, my assertions and others probably don't hold much water regarding Wikipedia - such an assertion probably needs to come from a reputable source and I don't see such reputable published sources, just tell-all style publications. For this reason, I think the current article wording is fair. Indieshack (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Speculation and conjecture -- however many citations can be dredged up -- have no place on Wikipedia, which is not, as has been noted, a tabloid. I am removing the offending text. Quis separabit? 18:44, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

The book 'Hollywood Gays' is likely utter fiction with all the stars who were allegedly interviewed being unusually candid and conveniently all long dead when the book was published. It's worthless as a factual document, because it's not one. (Sellpink (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC))

I agree re Hollywood Gays. Supposedly these interviews were taped, and everyone sounded the same. And I'll never believe Cary Grant gave him an interview and made a pass at him.Chandler75 (talk) 01:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Gender-neutral language

@Kelisi: Re: this revert, I just went back and read MOS:GNL carefully. Though it uses pronouns as examples, it does seem to say to use gender-neutral language in general. In addition to the brief statement, it also links to gender-neutral language which covers the broad topic, and to Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language for suggestions and more examples, though obviously neither of those pages are a vetted part of the MOS. -- Beland (talk) 19:57, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Cuprum17 commented while reverting "crewed": "In the interest of accuracy, all naval ships of the era were manned. It is a historically accurate term that has been used by navies for centuries. Boats might be crewed, but ships are manned." I'm not sure what the difference between a boat and a ship is, or why that would make a difference to the genderedness of language. -- Beland (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

@Beland: lol...well, as one old sailor told it...a boat can be on board a ship, but a ship can not be on board a boat. In actuality, it isn't the size that counts. In the case of the USS Cavalier, it was a commissioned ship in the U.S. Navy. Boats are not commissioned. In the civilian world a ship and a boat might be the same in some contexts, however to the U.S. Navy there is a distinction; a ship has a commissioned officer who is in charge, a boat has a coxswain, an enlisted rating operating the boat. During World War II, ships were referred to as 'manned". It is historically accurate to use the term "manned". Using the term "crewed" implies that Cavalier was a boat. The Navy never "staffed" either a ship or a boat. Maybe Carnival Cruise Lines staffs their vessels, but not the Navy, and in this case, context is important. Cavalier was not "The Love Boat"; it was a warship. Cuprum17 (talk) 21:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

@Cuprum17: All else being equal, I'd say the ship/boat manned/crewed distinction would be fine to maintain, even though it is not respected in the general English audience that Wikipedia targets. As a matter of house style, Wikipedia, when speaking in its own voice, does not use historic terminology appropriate to the period; it uses modern terminology. For example, in African-American history, we do not use the term "negro" when talking about time periods where that term was used, except in proper nouns and quotations. In this case, there's an MOS rule to use gender-neutral terminology, which specifically mentions not using "manned". By my reading, that means the ship/boat manned/crewed distinction cannot be maintained if MOS:GNL is followed. Does that make sense? -- Beland (talk) 09:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Beland:I would be willing to bet that there were no Sailors or Coast Guardsmen; active, former, or retired that participated in the writing of that particular section of the MOS. While Wikipedia has moved on for better or worse, the Navy and the Coast Guard take tradition seriously. For a ship (or cutter) to be "crewed" sounds strange to this Coast Guardsman's ear. The term "boat crew" is very familiar, as I was part of a "boat crew" during part of my service, but the boss on the boat only headed a crew of five and his job title while operating the boat was "coxswain". Since the question is in the MOS and most Wikipedians who decide these things never served on a ship, I can guess the outcome of this. As a side note, the term "Coast Guardsman" is the offical title of a person serving in the Coast Guard, regardless of gender. The same can be said of a person serving in the Air Force, they are officially known as "Airman" regardless of gender. Main stream media when writing about those serving in the Coast Guard tend to use the term "member of the Coast Guard". Try telling a Marine that they are "members of the Marine Corps" instead of Marines...you won't get very far without getting corrected. I feel the same way when being referred to as a "member of the Coast Guard". I am and always will be a Coast Guardsman. The Commandant of the Coast Guard, Admiral Papp, said that we were to be referred to as Coast Guardsmen in an ALCOAST message effective 1 December 2011 to the whole Coast Guard. Tradition rules. But I suppose that Wikipedia will ignore history and "crew" ships. Carry on. Cuprum17 (talk) 19:30, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@Cuprum17: Well, I'm pretty sure there were no women at the table when the U.S. Navy decided its ships would be "manned", so if representation is required for decisions to be legitimate, that could argue either way in this case. Anyway, I wasn't a participant in that MOS discussion, so I have no light to shed on the process. Though Wikipedia doesn't use dated language when speaking in its own voice, its purpose is to document history, not ignore it. If you feel the ship/boat manned/crewed terminology is noteworthy and can find it documented in reliable sources, perhaps United States ship naming conventions would be a good place to mention it, and if so to note that the official use of "manned" is both traditional and considered by some critics to perpetuate gender stereotypes. -- Beland (talk) 20:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)