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I don't know about that calorie count. Over 400 is indeed what it says on Baileys' web page, but even for cream, sugar and liquor, over 400 calories for 1.5 oz seems high. Even 1.5 oz of straight oil doesn't come in that high. Every other web source I checked had it under 160 calories per 1.5 oz. (I Googled "nutritional information irish cream".) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss anna (talk • contribs) 02:04, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How quickly does Baileys go off? I assume one can't keep it for long, considering it has fresh cream as an ingredient, and my auntie has to drink it all once she's opened a bottle for that reason (though that might just be her excuse!!) Lady BlahDeBlah 13:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to Baileys' site [1] the cream is stable and if kept at a constant room temperature should last for quite awhile, they recommend drinking it within 24 months of bottling. Perhaps this should be added to the article. -- Ari 04:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

24 months of bottling? The storage temp. should make a difference. Any way to request clarification from the manufacturer?--71.139.138.14 04:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I usually have a bottle of Baileys in the freezer. It will make the drink a lot thicker (but if your freezer temp. is set too low, it will freeze it). I have had bottles on the freezer for up to a year with no change in flavor. Quase 18:35, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's also great to store in the fridge for an about ~8 C temperature. Won't thicken anything, but provides a good stable temperature. -- Northgrove 19:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've bought a bottle in August 2007, on the bottle it says 05 2009. Mallerd (talk) 14:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC) The official website says the cream and whiskey are combined by an emulsifier made from purified vegetable oil; the whiskey's alcohol content keeps the cream from going bad...User: Snyrt[reply]

"It has an enticing almond, hazelnut/nutmeg aroma and a rich, smooth, sweet taste." i understand a description should be made, but this seems like something from a label. 198.166.226.14 21:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The whole intro reads is if it were written by the company itself. I'll try to make a few small changes. --Loudsox 03:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess, that is because the creator of the article basically did a quick copy-paste from an official website. With respect, Deliogul 21:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard the "Cement Mixer" called "the Womans Revenge". Haven't added it to the main article in case it is too obscure. -- Horkana

In re: "the cement mixer", the article makes it sound like this is a cocktail that one drinks on purpose; I've only ever seen it thrust upon an unsuspecting-and-inebriated victim, who then proceeds to get sick from the coagulation. Icky. --JD79 14:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch Article on the 'urban legend'. I have moved the line mentioning this article up to the 'urban legend' section, but perhaps it should be in the 'References' section instead, and a reference link be given in the 'urban legend' section instead? If so, please feel free to make that change. 83.84.36.96 12:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Commercial Links

In addition to the official Bailey's site, Diageo also has a website that they've designed as a extra resource for their brands. It is www.thebar.com- I think this link would be useful to add to the page. Any thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jack The Bartender (talk • contribs) 17:18, November 21, 2006 (UTC)

Based on the comments on your talk page regarding your commercial connection to that site, and on Wikipedia NPOV policy; I'd say it's a resounding "no". -- weirdoactor ^t^|^c -- 23:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does a link to Jagos really fit in here? It is not an Irish cream even. Abbeyvet 17:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An unsigned comment by 66.9.147.146

The Jagoes link seems to be a cynical attempt to link a recent imitation of Baileys to the original brand through a dubvious claim that the creater of the new drink was linked to the original creation of Baileys. The rest of my recent edit is based on the information freely available on the www.baileys.com website - if this information is factually incorrect then surely someone would sue Baileys - they're hardly going to get away with putting lies in writing on their official website. Instead of discarding my changes wholesale and reverting to the Jagoes promotion copy, why not cross check my information with the offical facts on Baileys.com story section and remove any language that you feel is too subjective. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.9.147.146 (talk) 19:34, December 2, 2006

Perhaps you could add cited material in an encyclopedic (rather than press release) format and style to articles, so that others don't have to clean up after you. Just a thought...you also might consider signing your posts (type four tildes, like this - ~~~~). -- weirdoactor ^t^|^c -- 07:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I found it really necessary to revert wholesale because the overall tone of the new additions did not match Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy; the writing style was good, but resembled a Baileys publicity piece. But don't take my word for it, here is the link [2]. It is peppered with words like "revolutionary", "growing at an incredible rate and was rapidly followed by several imitations" ("similar competitors" is more neutral).

The addition I most noticed was this new section "The Baileys Farms": Baileys sources it's cream from 1,500 specially chosen, family owned, Irish farms where a total of around 40,000 cows produce milk exclusively for Baileys. Irish cows, unlike most cows, are kept outdoors in the fresh air for nine months of the year to feed on fresh, green Irish grass.' This is a wonderful piece of advertising copy, but if we trim out the ad-speak (would we really expect grass to be other than green, or Irish farms to have other than Irish grass, or any other kind of cow in the world to eat Irish grass?), we end up with Baileys state that they source their cream from 40,000 cows on family owned Irish farms, which doesn't seem to me to be a fact worth noting, still less worthy of a whole section.

The reference to a shared creator is interesting. I realise that it is not contradictory. I took "R&A Bailey discovered a revolutionary way to naturally mix cream with whiskey" to be a reference to people (R&A Bailey). In fact, they are the company, so they would have had employees involved, they are fully owned by their parent company and may have employed development companies. This should be sourced of course, but if this claim is "dubious" it seems to be that the owners of Baileys would have take immediate legal action against any new product making a claim of co-creator that can't be backed up.

We also see oddities like moving a section after references, and adding a raft of new "nice sounding" cocktails like "Baileys Martini (Shaken with Ice)", while removing the "nasty" ones like Irish Lobotomy or Orgasm. No idea if these are real, but neither the old or new list had sources. (There is a reference to a publication, but this unfortunately is not backed up with inline citations which I believe are necessary so we know which parts of the article are sourced.), and finally a link to "recent advertising" which some would say was a little overcommercial (let the official site offer that).

I hope these comments are helpful in understanding why I went for a complete revert, rather than trying to massage the new addition to fit Wikipedia's polcies and guidelines. Notinasnaid 11:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting

This is probably one of the most poorly organized articles I have come across in quite awhile. There is no rhyme or reason to the formatting; the article reads like a bunch of random facts thrown together. If anyone has any suggestions on how this article should be better organized, I'd be happy to work on it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.2.233.44 (talk) 23:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Tidied up a bit

Basically made it less of an advertisment, removing the more flowery language. I also added sections on manufacture and storage. The information on manufacture is all on the Baileys website, though it isn't all in one place - you have to dig a bit, there is quite a lot in the FAQ. While I can see why the reversion was done, it didn't really make it a good article. Hopefully this is a step in the right direction.

I am not completely convinced however that this article even needs to exist, and that the various brands of Irish Cream do not belong as a sub-heading in the article about Irish Cream generally. Abbeyvet 11:30, 20th January 2007 (UTC)

For that matter, why is the music used in a Bailey's commercial in 2005 stuck in a section about the various flavors? does not relate, does not belong. User:Snyrt

Curdling

Is this process dangerous if it happens inside the stomach, since there are acids in the stomach. I put some Baileys with coca cola and it heavily expanded, is this the same as described as curdling? Due to the heavy expand I wondered if the acid in the stomach was dangerous. Mallerd 14:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, did some research by myself already and it says it is not dangerous. :) I add it to the article as an Urban legend.Mallerd 14:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that Mallerd thought it might be dangerous doesn't make it an urban legend. It should be removed from the article or sourced. ♣DeathRattle101 AKA LUX♣ (^verbalize _generosity) 10:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I'll remove it. -Phoenixrod (talk) 18:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brand of whiskey used

does anyone know what brand/type of whiskey Bailey's uses in manufacture/ (assumably some form of Irish whiskey) --SJK 09:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The most suitable type of whiskey for cream liquor is Irish pot still whiskey. The best is Red Breast or Mitchel's Green spot. It is expensive but a good substitute is Powers Gold Label which is 70% pure pot still, Jameson is 50% and Paddy is 30%. Powers Gold Label is idea and is normal price. Pot still whiskey is made with only 40% malt with the rest unmalted giving it a crackly character which goes well with cream. Irish Malt whiskey from Bushmills or Kilbeggan is not as good but will work. Peated Scotch is totally unsuitable as is American Boubons and Rye.

If making it yourself, use only Powers and good luck. A teaspoon full of virgins pee per gallon from a woman above 21 years old is said to boost the flavour, but it's becoming very scarce in Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.207.212 (talk) 00:42, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The website says it's Ireland's best, but keeps the company's identity a secret. User:Snyrt

Who knows, probably just generic Irish whisky. Or maybe Bushmills? Diageo does own the brand after all. But in reality its undisclosed information so don't put that in the artcle :P.♣DeathRattle101 AKA LUX♣ (^verbalize _generosity) 10:18, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The Old Midleton Distillery, Co Cork" http://www.baileys.com/product-and-company-information/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.125.63 (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nutritional values

User:67.193.141.140 recently changed the nutritional info from what is available on the official Baileys site (403 calories per 1.5 oz) to a number from about.com (163.5 calories per 50 ml). I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what is right here (and in fact I hope it's the lesser number!). But in the absence of a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia's policy, I'm inclined to leave in the official number. Thoughts? -Phoenixrod (talk) 03:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm User:67.193.141.140. I've been a member of Wikipedia for over 4 years, though I hardly ever spend time with the whole log in process. Haha. Anyways, Bailey actually sends users to this site when one asks to find out more information: http://www.knowyourdiageodrink.com/en-row/Product Information/resultspage.html?BrandId=5003&VariantId=23927, and it clearly provides the same numbers that I provided, and doubled for 100ml (327cals) instead of 50ml (163.5cals). Diageo is the company behind Bailey's.--Rishiboy (talk) 03:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, no worries about logging in, Rishiboy; the IP address just didn't have many edits, so I thought you might be new. As you point out, since Diageo owns Baileys, that new link should do the trick. It's more reliable than about.com, to be sure. -Phoenixrod (talk) 04:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the section. Feel free to have a go. The current list format isn't terribly graceful, but I suppose it does the job. -Phoenixrod (talk) 04:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Improving structure and references

Hi, I am a representative for Baileys Original Irish Cream, and would like to discuss making some changes to this page and adding reliable references to the article. I am aware of Wikipedia’s conflict of interest guidelines, so wanted to run the proposed changes past you here first.

If there are no objections, I would like to suggest that the page structure is reworked to make it a clearer and easier page to navigate. Does anyone have any objections to changing the page structure as follows?
• Amalgamate Origin and History sections
• Manufacture
• Storage and shelf life
• Nutritional values
• Drinking
• Variant flavours
• Cocktails containing Baileys
• See also
• Notes
• References
• External links
--Mixologist09 (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

As there don't appear to be any objections at present, we would like to tidy up the page and add reliable references to the copy on 25 January 2010. Please contact Mixologist09 if you have any issues with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mixologist09 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a very reasonable plan. -Phoenixrod (talk) 20:13, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

4.3% of Irish milk production

The article claims:

More than 4 million litres of Irish cream a year is used in the production of Baileys, amounting to 4.3% of Ireland’s total milk production.^[1]

The "4.3%" number seems extremely unlikely. According to the Irish Central Statistics Office, 2008 production of drinking milk and buttermilk was 572,000 metric tonnes, or about 572 million litres, with little variation from the three years previous. Even if the "4 million litres of cream" given in the article is correct, this is only 0.7% of production, not 4.3%. Since the cited source is completely unreliable, I am removing this sentence from the article. —Dominus (talk) 16:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ From a review at ciao.co.uk

Soapy tit wank? Really?

Added to "list of cocktails" at 11:02 on 4 November 2009 by anonymous [email protected] - there's no reference, nothing about it in the "list of cocktails" page. Has this one just been slipped in (as it were) under the radar? Gwinkless (talk) 10:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. I've removed it, pending a reliable source. A quick Google search finds only mirrors of Wikipedia and a forum where a poster claims to have invented it. -Phoenixrod (talk) 17:41, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origins:

I remember just as Bailey's was starting to take off in a big way, a mini documentory on TV which stated that a research company was asked to come up with a new drink and Bailey's was actually 'born' in a London basement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.194.87 (talk) 13:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Breyer

The article says that the trademark is owned by Martin Breyer, a redlink; the rest of the article refers to Breyer as it - presumably as a company - but judging by Kilkenny Castle Breyer is a he. Except that Google seems oddly vague about the connection, with only three hundred hits for "Martin Breyer" Baileys, mostly mirrors of Wikipedia, and the official website says that Baileys is © R&A Bailey & Co. 2009, with no mention of Breyer at all. Does he have anything to with Baileys at all and can someone supply a reference for this? -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or was a he, as that Martin Breyer is presumably dead! -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 22:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Solved it. It was a lot of shit; absolute shit introduced by some IP editors. Gone! -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 22:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Produced where?

"Baileys is currently produced in Newtownabbey." This is not cited , so I took the bottle I have in the press out and it says ""Produced and bottled in Republic of Ireland by R&A Bailey & Co. Dublin 12 , Ireland" , Newtownabbey is in Nothern Ireland . The link when I googled r&a bailey newtownabbey mentioned BOTH .http://www.holstein-ni.co.uk/html/baileys_launch_2010.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.125.63 (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

==== Popular at Christmas in some places in the US? === This was always popular with our family during the holidays. I wonder if it is considered a holiday drink by many people.180.180.166.195 (talk) 09:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Inventor

An obituary in The Times today or yesterday of Tom Jago, who is credited with being the inventor of Bailey's. Someone who has access could take a look. Thanks. Spicemix (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't vanilla an ingredient?

Numerous sources say it is, such as https://www.ugandabreweries.com/our-brands/spirits/baileys Arctic Gazelle (talk) 02:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hazelnuts?

Is it known whether one ingredient (in the standard version of Baileys Irish Cream) is hazelnut extract? 2601:200:C000:1A0:112B:D886:A2F3:EAB1 (talk) 18:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] From a review at ciao.co.uk

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