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Enough about Nazimova's "Extreme" Tastes!

The contributor(s) seem obsessed with Nazimova's sex life (backed up with many poor sources), making the entire article seem unprofessional. I did remove links to sites that were obviously personal ones.142.204.135.77 17:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Camille

Her version of Camille is included in the recently released (2005) DVD of Greta Garbo's Camille. The highly styled and unusual settings are wonderful.

Career Decline

Nazimova was no longer a "powerhouse" after about 1921 when her fascinating but commercially unsuccessful films 'Salome' and 'Camille' flopped.

Good Book on Nazimova, Anyone?

A reliable source is needed for all these rumours about Alla Nazimova's notorious orgies ('Hollywood Babylon' and similar books don't count).

"Hollywood Babylon and similar books don't count" WHY? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.206.122.30 (talk) 21:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because they contain too much tabloid sensationalism and unsubstantiated gossip. Gavin Lambert's "Nazimova: A Biography" is probably the best scholarly work about Nazimova.99.234.101.193 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 06:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Transliteration

It states her first two names were Mariam Edez, but the Cyrillic is Мириам Эдес, which would normally be rendered in Latin script as Miriam Edes. Something's not quite right here. JackofOz 07:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transliteration is not absolute. My family has been in what is the state of New Mexico since it's settlement by the Spanish so of course they talked and wrote in Spanish but come the US in the 1800s they used English/American in school but spoke Spanish at home. When one of my grandmothers would write letters she would write them using the words that she learned at home in Spanish but spell them with the letter sounds of English/American. Throw in a couple people with speech pronunciation idiosyncrasies and you have something that is neither Spanish or English. Just as each did not use the same words to describe or say something every word was not spelled the same.A1Houseboy (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nazimova as godmother

The article states that Nazimova was Jewish. How could she then have been Nancy Reagan's godmother ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.206.122.30 (talk) 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For your clarification, I'd suggest you go read the godparent article for explanations of how this could be. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth: Julian/Gregorian

User:Leccafield made this edit on 29 May, but it doesn't compute. In 1879, the gap between the calendars was 12 days. So, if Nazimova was born on 22 May (Julian), the Gregorian equivalent was 3 June, not 4 June (May having 31 days in most years). But I won't blame Leccafield entirely, as this mis-calculation is all over the internet. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 06:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that the number of days skipped is 12, but that was how it stood with the original date of June 4.

Demonstration: May 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, June 1, 2, 3.

12 skipped days. John W. Kennedy (talk) 01:22, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not a matter of how many days were skipped, but how many days the two calendars were out of phase. Those two things are not the same thing, as I hope this simple example will demonstrate:

Start with 1 January, Old Style. Assume the calendars are 3 days out of phase. That means the New Style date is 1 3 = 4 January. Correct.
But skipping 3 days would leave out 2, 3 and 4 January and we'd end up at 5 January. Incorrect.

So it is with Nazimova. 22 May (Julian) 12 days = 34 May = 3 June Gregorian. Not 4 June.

But we have to be sure we're starting at the right Julian date. Otherwise it's just GIGO. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:28, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looking elsewhere, I see confusion reigning supreme:

Dutch, French, Italian, Polish, Portuguese and Spanish WP just have a bare 22 May, with no indication of which calendar that was from. Useless.
German and Ukrainian WP have 22 May/3 Jun – valid. Romanian has 22 Jun/3 Jun – impossible and invalid, but I assume "22 Jun" was a typo for 22 May.
Hungarian has 22 May/4 Jun – invalid.
Russian WP, in the lede, says 21 May/2 June, which differs from everywhere else, but is at least a valid translation from Julian to Gregorian. But in the infobox it says 22 May/2 June, which is invalid. But I can't point the figure too much, since our very own English WP says 22 May/4 Jun in the lede (invalid), but a bare "3 Jun" in the infobox (useless).

What a total schemozzle! I propose to go by the consensus Julian birth date of 22 May, and add 12 days to it to arrive at 3 June.

What I really want to see is her birth certificate or some contemporary document supporting exactly when she was born (as per the Julian calendar then in place), so this can be cleared up once and for all. I may never see such a document. Until then, I reckon my solution is the best we can do. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:57, 9 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Novel

We'retold that she chose her name because of a Russian novel Children of the Streets : but who wrote it? The link sends to a Swedish film. Bianchi-Bihan (talk) 08:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, just as Wiki is not the only source did you check others on the internet in order to correct what was found? That way you get to find out about something not because of convenience but one's interest and effort and of course the alleged miss-link corrected for all the others that follow. This is just like so many other experiences I find with my Yahoo groups that someone writes about something and then someone instead of looking to fulfill their own curiosity on something such as the internet then instead sends a message to the group asking about what they do not know. It is one thing not to understand something and another just being too lazy not to seek out the curiosity when you have access to Wiki and just as quickly the internet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A1Houseboy (talk • contribs) 21:51, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

in 1879 and in 1945 yalta (crimea) wasnt a part of ukraine. delete ukrainian writing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.134.60.48 (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Career Inconsistency

"Due to her notoriety in a 35-minute 1915 play entitled War Brides, Nazimova made her silent film debut in 1916 in the filmed version of the play, which was produced by Lewis J. Selznick. A young actor with a bit part in the movie was Richard Barthelmess whose mother taught Nazimova English." Source: Blum, Daniel (c. 1953). A Pictorial History of the Silent Screen p. 111.

But the filmography says 1915?.A1Houseboy (talk) 04:54, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Russian, Ukrainian or Moldavian Jews?

I don’t quite understand the meaning of the Ukrainian categories in the article, given that Nazimova was born in Yalta during the Russian Empire, decades before any transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian Soviet Republic by the Bolsheviks (judging by edit history, the article even indicated Ukraine as her place of birth, which was already a very clear anachronism). Not to mention an independent Ukraine. As far as I know and can judge from the article, throughout her life she has always been identified or described as a Russian actress/Russian actress of Jewish origin. Although I would even call her Moldavian because of the roots of her parents. But in general, what do sources write about this? Solaire the knight (talk) 09:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UPD. I looked at the history of edits once again, it seems anonymous users regularly changed any Russian references to Ukrainian ones in this article, even quotes from Nazimova herself. For example - [1], [2], [3]. The user who replaced “Russian-Jewish” with “Ukrainian-Jewish” was still not anonymous, but judging by their page, he was blocked as a virtual - Nirva20. Overall, I have some vague thoughts about all this, but I'm not going to make any drastic changes to the article before I hear other users' opinions. Solaire the knight (talk) 10:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]