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AfD	Time to close	Votes	Size (bytes)	Score
Flagon and Trencher	49 days ago	2	5878	1802.95
Ingemar Burgström	48 days ago	2	4749	1785.7
Nightmare Theater	45 days ago	2	9618	1578.8
Pete Wilson (wrestler) (2nd nomination)	44 days ago	1	6108	1550.76
Battle of Khatu Shyamji	42 days ago	1	2885	1457.87
Alexander Allen (bridge)	41 days ago	1	4467	1366.26
Karelian Bobtail	40 days ago	0	3895	1338.18
Dejan Crnomarković	40 days ago	1	4053	1326.86
Indian Public Health Association	40 days ago	1	3666	1295.9
Battle of Dewair (1606)	42 days ago	3	5672	1286.69
Matt Hart (wrestler)	40 days ago	1	4026	1272.95
2004 in Turkish television	40 days ago	1	9157	1256.5
The Bastard Fairies	41 days ago	2	4640	1250.93
FactGrid	39 days ago	1	5213	1243.82
Asian Cinemas	39 days ago	1	4325	1223.78
VASP Flight 780	41 days ago	3	8619	1209.98
Endor AG (2nd nomination)	39 days ago	1	6649	1208.63
Kwality Wall's (2nd nomination)	40 days ago	2	4424	1195.86
Global Securities Lending (2nd nomination)	38 days ago	1	3518	1194.58
Tuirial Hydro Electric Project	41 days ago	3	5462	1186.23
Mazhanoolkkanavu	40 days ago	2	5027	1177.89
New Zealand College of Business	38 days ago	1	3336	1177.16
Spring Financial	38 days ago	1	3359	1137.25
Michal Malák	40 days ago	3	4243	1122.42
Haykakan Par	40 days ago	3	9848	1104.68

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 13:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Flagon and Trencher

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions and brief descriptions (for example, on ProQuest). toweli (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. Found some pieces that document the activity of the organization. Take a look [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]. Piscili (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Those don't provide significant coverage and/or aren't reliable sources. toweli (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: I have to agree with the nom. The sources don't appear to be reliable and keeping this article based on the provided coverage doesn't make sense to me. Clearly fails GNG. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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The Herald, Where are the newly found sources? Both @Toweli: and I objected to keeping the article based on the coverage provided on 24 September, as it’s nowhere near reliable. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Saqib, A clearer and deeper source evaluation is appreciated, along with more inputs for clear consensus. The presence of multiple references with passing mentions could mean there might be some notability, but sans SIGCOV. Hence, relisted for more inputs. If not, it can be deleted soon. Happy editing. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 09:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 13:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Ingemar Burgström

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Only sources I could find were 2 directory listings in Google books. LibStar (talk) 02:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, there's 146 mentions in Swedish newspaper archives, of which a lot seem like they might contain sigcov. We need someone with access to verify their content though. AlexandraAVX (talk) 19:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment The article doesn't show significant independent coverage that meets WP:GNG. Losing in the first round of the Olympics and compiling an 8-7 record as a pro boxer means he also fails WP:NOLY and WP:NBOX. I can't comment on what coverage might exist in Swedish, so I am not voting as this time. Papaursa (talk) 00:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, appears very likely notable per AlexandraAVX. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Which sources in Alexandra's search meet significant coverage for WP:BIO? LibStar (talk) 04:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
They are paywalled – however, given that we know that over 140 pieces of coverage do exist, someone would need to look at them to determine otherwise that he's not notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:39, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Now that the AfD is closed, I renamed the page as suggested, to distinguish it from the Indiana TV show of the same name. Owen× ☎ 12:59, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Nightmare Theater

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Fairly new article about a non-notable TV show; created by a new editor. No sources; no formatting. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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This was one of Utah's longest running television shows and was very popular. I will be updating sources. As for formatting I will learn and improve the page. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 17:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I haven't been able to dig up much. There is Television Horror Movie Hosts 68 Vampires, Mad Scientists and Other Denizens of the Late-Night Airwaves Examined and Interviewed that covers the show, but there is no preview available. There's also a whole self-published book The Complete Index to Salt Lake City's Nightmare Theatre which would probably be decent for information, but doesn't contribute to notability. There's this dramatic piece from the Utah Education Network that says someone hanged themselves after watching the program. Other than that, it's just passing mentions like one of my favorite things to do was to curl up with my dad on a Friday night and watch the famed horror movie show starring Sammy Terry (a play on the word cemetery), “Nightmare Theater.” The low-budget series was just scary enough to capture my interest, but not so scary that DCFS needed to be alerted. I'm leaning delete, but I'm willing to wait to see what sources come up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I meant to include this note. Fischer
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Delete, consider redirecting title to Sammy Terry If you want to write about a local TV program, you need the sourcing to back up your claim. You also need to show that it has some enduring notability to it. I do not think that the Salt Lake program has that, after doing a search that would have included Utah newspapers from the last 30 years (allowing me to avoid printed titles in TV listings). However, there is a redirect target for this title...out of Indiana, where a show titled Nightmare Theater seems to have enjoyed a 27-year run at WTTV. The SIGCOV is substantial, and we have an article related to it already. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
The Utah show ran from 1962-1982 continuously. Fairly enduring, twenty years. Documentation noted includes television columns noting its popularity. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Why wasn’t this drafted so that the creator can be helped, instead of having to defend the page at an Afd, which is pretty stressful? Draft, please, if the creator and other users agree, speedy-draft, if such a thing exists. I don’t think that nominating a new page 20 minutes after it was created was the best approach. ’Not ready for Main space”, sure but explain it and draftify is, if the creator is a newcomer/apparently not very experienced contributor, the most constructive path imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Formatted the page roughly. The claim that it was the longest show in Utah and coverage might be enough to Keep this. If not, redirect and merge (in)to KTVX#History please. Very opposed to deletion.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Please note that the Utah TV show in this article is entirely distinct from the Indiana TV show of the same name starring Sammy Terry. The Sammy Terry character was on Indiana TV from 1962 to 1989, occasionally thereafter, continuously makes personal appearances, and still produces web content; Sammy Terry has plenty of reliable sources (print news and at least one book), far beyond what the article currently references. If this article survives, it should be moved to something like Nightmare Theater (Utah), with Nightmare Theater being a redirect to Sammy Terry or a disambiguation page. Vadder (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree that, even if enough sourcing demonstrating notability could be found, the Utah show is not the primary topic. The Indiana show has much more material to work with. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 15:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  I did the initial page, and I believe Nightmare Theater (Utah) would be the proper title. This would avoid confusion with all the other Nightmare Theater and Theatres out there. While the show was broadcast on a Salt Lake City station, it was received statewide. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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Three shows are mentioned as notable on the KCPX (KTVX) page. Hotel Balderdash has its own page. The other two are Fireman Frank and Nightmare Theater. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Pete Wilson (wrestler)

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No notable wrestler. Just worked on an independent level. The article has a few sources, non of them focusing on him, just WP:ROUTINE results. Looking for sources, he only has passing mentions on a few events. 1 . I don't understand how a 2006's version of the article was voted as keep. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. None of the coverage in the article (databases and routine coverage of match results) or what I could find with a basic Google search (what's in the article & false positives) support notability. We need more for a BLP. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was merge‎ to List of battles in Rajasthan. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Khatu Shyamji

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The article is not fulfilling WP:GNG. It is based on single source and also a very insignificant event with not much content to write has been converted into an article.It should be deleted and content, if any found relevant should be merged into something related to List of battles in Rajasthan.Admantine123 (talk) 01:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Merge - should be merged to article such as List of battles in Rajasthan as said above by the nominator because it is not such notable battle in Rajasthan to have an standalone page. TheSlumPanda (talk) 13:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Delete or merge to List of battles in Rajasthan. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Alexander Allen (bridge)

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I can find no significant or independent coverage of this bridge player, which is demanded by WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. The NYT source is not significant coverage, just a mention, and likewise the bridgewinners.com source. And the bulletin published by the American Contract Bridge League is not independent. Geschichte (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom and my own searching for additional sourcing. The sources currently in the article are not sufficient for GNG, particularly for a BLP. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to List of cat breeds. ✗plicit 11:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Karelian Bobtail

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Cannot find any independent sigcov. The mentions I can find are so brief and vague I can't even be sure they've not just simply misspelt Kurilian Bobtail. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:36, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Not the original editor for this article, I'm the one who added it to the list of cat breeds article. Karelian Bobtails are rare breed and mostly in rural villages. There are a handful of breeders in the Republic and Leningrad Oblast. Breeding is difficult because of the recessive gene. All original information online is in Russian, and a bit in Suvi. If you give me a couple weeks I can perhaps contact some people to see if they have the original research and documents from the 90s. I can't do this immediately though as I have field work for the next couple weeks.

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I don't dispute the breed exists, just that there is not enough independent secondary coverage for a stand alone article. I do not mind waiting for you to look for sources but if they're original research and primary documents that aren't published they are not useful for Wikipedia. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Just to note I have no opposition to a redirect to List of cat breeds where the subject is also mentioned. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Dejan Crnomarković

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Rejected draft. The included sources are of poor quality, and I couldn't find any others on Google. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:41, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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nb I just linked it to the sr-wiki page, which appears to have additional references (I haven't checked them). -- asilvering (talk) 20:55, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep and improve. I've worked on the article a bit. — Sadko (words are wind) 09:28, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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Comment. Every single citation has Dejan Crnomarković as the author. Is this a misunderstanding of how citations are made? It looks like a delete anyway because the sources seem to be of low quality, WP:PRIMARY, WP:ROUTINE etc. Geschichte (talk) 07:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
@Geschichte I spot-checked two and would say this is a misunderstanding of how citations are made. -- asilvering (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Indian Public Health Association

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lacks enough reliable information showing that it is important or significant Slarticlos (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep it is often hard to find in depth coverage of national professional associations because they operate in a quality controlled walled garden. They don’t generate much chatter in the mainstream press and they own the specialist outlets. They’re much larger than the UK’s Royal Society for Public Health and probably more active. Mccapra (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Dewair (1606)

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This article is a WP: REDUNDANTFORK from Mughal conquest of Mewar. There was no need to create this standalone article as the content is already present in the other article. Hence it should be deleted. Admantine123 (talk) 01:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Merge to Mughal conquest of Mewar per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - Mughal Conquest of Mewar was a series of millitary campaigns whereas Battle of Dewair is a single battle. I don't see any reason to merge it with the latter. WP: REDUNDANTFORK applies for the same topic with different name. However, In this case the battle is a part of strings of event(Mughal Conquest of Mewar) through which Mewar concluded a treaty. Hence neither it should be deleted nor it should be merged. Rawn3012 (talk) 05:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: I agree with Rawn3012. WP:REDUNDANTFORK states that's it is bad to have "two articles about the exact same thing" - but these are not the same thing, it's a battle within the larger conquest therefore the only thing that matter is if the battle itself is notable. Searches for name (Hindi: दिवेर का युद्ध) return a lot of results especially in Indian media, i.e. Dainik Bhaskar (4th in the world by circulation) made an article specifically about it interviewing academics [9] and there's a lot more as well meeting WP:SIGCOV. Molecular Pilot 09:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Matt Hart (wrestler)

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No notable wrestler. Just worked on an independent level. The article has sources, most of them are WP:ROUTINE results, others passing mentions. Looking for sources, he only has passing mentions on a few events 1 HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep Passes GNG with 1, 2, 3, and 4.★Trekker (talk) 15:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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Delete Sources provided by Trekker do not qualify GNG. Noah ^💬 01:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- - They're all from reliable sources.★Trekker (talk) 01:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
    PWInsiderXtra.com is reliable? It just looks like a blog made by one or two people, with no clear fact-checking. Sources such as http://www.pwinsiderxtra.com/ViewArticle.php?id=32455&p=1 are not written in a neutral tone at all. Noah ^💬 00:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
    - - Yes PWInsider and it's connected site are regarded as reliable by the pw project. Mike Johnson is a well regarded wrestling journalist.★Trekker (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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2004 in Turkish television

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tagged uncited for many years and does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 13:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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I deproDed the page. I have seen other years taken to AfD. But why? This is a pretty standard way to approach history of television by country. Mexico has them, Korea has them, and so on. Turkey is a major country with a long history of television. What's the issue? Non-notable, how? I would !vote Keep but that would imply restoring all the other years. But I don't understand. It's very easy to source every event with books and/or news. And for general coverage, just open Yanardağoğlu, Eylem, Television in Turkey: Local Production, Transnational Expansion and Political Aspirations, Springer International Publishing, 2020; "The Transformation of the Media System in Turkey: Citizenship, Communication, and Convergence", Springer International Publishing, 2021; The Regulation of Turkish Network Industries. (2022), Springer International Publishing. A source for each and every programme broadcast is easily found. I am seriously confused.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
If you want to keep it vote keep. I don’t think that would implying restoring other years as some years in television are more notable than others. Chidgk1 (talk) 05:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
OK: Keep and restore all years. This year in Turkish television is notable and so are apparently all years I checked, given the existence of sources for individual events and about trends/years in the Turkish history of television. Also for navigation reasons.and procedural reasons; targeting one year after another to delete the whole range of articles (that precisely make sense as a whole) brick by brick is not a good idea when the general topic is notable.

some years in television are more notable than others. Maybe (I don't think so) but then, it seems you want to have ALL years of Turkish television deleted and I am very much against that idea. Is it your idea?

Another solution would be to change the approach by creating lists by decades and redirecting/merging the individual years (in)to the decades (2000s in Turkish television and so on) but I won't do it myself (as I favour individual years)-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
No I have not proposed deleting all years and that is not my idea. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Very well, I had the wrong impression, my apologies. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Note: there are only 4 years left in the category. The ones that have been deleted lately were, if I am not mistaken, in the 2000s and 2010s The other years haven't been created yet.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Sure, consider my !vote a simple/single Keep then (but restoring other years should also be done); this is part of a set and is justified in terms of navigation, that's what I mean. Notwithstanding the individual notability of this page, deleting random years one by one without considering this type of page in general or the whole is not a good approach. Also may I remind the nominator that WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.". -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Overspecific page name/scope; notable events can be added to 2004 in Turkey. Geschichte (talk) 08:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I am sorry but, again, I am very confused, how is this overspecific? This is pretty standard: have a look at Category:2004 in television by country please. Again, if you think Turkey has a less substantial history of television than, say, Brazil or Japan (I don't think so), considering a different organisation and redirect years to (not-yet-existing) pages about decades might make sense, but just deleting that year for that country (although it can be easily sourced) seems extremely confusing to me. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello, the dire state of the article (and yes, I'm going by the current state of the article, and I'll explain why shortly) shows that it was a bad idea to start a page about 2004 in Turkish television. The "years in country" absolutely need to start with the basic year in the country, in this case 2004 in Turkey, and then branch out when size dictates so. Moreover, it would make sense to branch out to "2004 in Turkish media" before further sub-division into television, radio, cinema, press etc. As for other similar pages existing, I checked a dozen of the entries in the nabvbox, and most of them are embarrassingly bad. Geschichte (talk) 19:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep The article has changed a lot since it was nominated for deletion. Nxcrypto Message 03:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
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Certainly, not automatically. But the new sources and content might be seen as sufficient to address the concern raised in the nomination. Sorry to hear you don’t find them sufficient. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Also, I had added further content to the page after your last reply (i.e. after I put the template AfD changed here) but I guess you checked that too. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC) (PS- Why put quotation marks to changed, if I may ask? You don’t think it changed at all?)

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 14:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The Bastard Fairies

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This band doesn't appear to be notable. There's an AllMusic biography and an AllMusic review of their only album. Most of the sources used in the article don't even mention the band, and PlugInMusic doesn't seem to be a reliable source. toweli (talk) 12:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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I'd vote "keep" for the band name alone, but alas it's definitely a Delete. Fails WP:NMUSIC with no notable discography, awards or label work. And for being about a rock band, there's nothing about their music in the article, instead focusing on a documentary film and some meaningless YouTube video, not to mention being full of useless fluff and terrible sourcing. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 04:25, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Keep Along with the Allmusic citations above, there is sigcov available on TWL. This includes a full page article in the Native Peoples Magazine,^[1] a 1300 word article in Morning Call,^[2] and a CD review of Momento Mori from the Calgary Herald.^[3]. That's more than WP:THREE thus meets WP:GNG. ResonantDis_tortion 17:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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^ Poet, J (2008). "Keeping it Real: The Bastard Fairies". Native Peoples Magazine. 21: 64.
^ Chow, Greg (2007). "Bastards of new media ** By breaking away from major labels and dominating online, the DIY Fairies become the music industry's worst nightmare". Morning Call.
^ McCoy, Heath (9 May 2007). "The Bastard Fairies - Momento Mori". Calgary Herald.

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:14, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

FactGrid

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I find no independent coverage of this database. It does appear useful, but appears to be too soon to be a notable product. A BEFORE shows it's in use and blurbs about how the tool works, but it's from the tool itself.

While I would be fine with a redirect to University_of_Erfurt#University_projects, I don't think it's DUE there, and that has already been contested so merits more discussion. Star Mississippi 17:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep it, FactGrid was and is in a way part the official roll out of Wikibase as a common database software. The project was an official collaboration between Wikimedia and the University of Erfurt in 2018, and it is now probably the biggest Wikibase community outside Wikidata. The integration into Germany's National Research Data Infrastructure in 2023 has been the biggest move towards the institutionalization of the database. The platform is now an official recommendation for historical projects to use in Germany. It has projects in Berkeley, Barcelona, Budapest and Paris - with a 1 Million database objects and projects that participate with budgets up to € 900.000 it should no longer be a small website. --Olaf Simons (talk) 08:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
https://blog.wikimedia.de/2018/08/31/many-faces-of-wikibase-die-geschichte-der-illuminaten-als-datenbank-erschliessen/

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Ah. I was the one who originally WP:BLARed the article, and I admit I probably should have responded to the contesting of the redirection and maybe dropped a note or something, but I've essentially treated it as a contested PROD and did not follow up due to personal reasons. I had more or less forgotten about it by the time I had more time. I do stand by my original assessment, and still believe a redirect is the most appropriate option. While there are some sources, the depth of coverage in independent reliable sources (reliable in a general context) is highly limited, and I do not believe it would be possible to write a standalone article of any length from mostly those sources. In fact, with the state of available sources, I don't believe we would be able to expand much more than maybe 2 or 3 times the current text at University_of_Erfurt#University_projects. While that would be 10% of the current article, I do not believe that would be excessive to the point of being proscribed by WP:DUE, especially if other parts are also expanded. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: scholarship on the subject (see EL; at least 3 articles in 3 languages), so this looks pretty notable to me, yes. (add: Celís Sánchez, M. Á. (2021). Las humanidades digitales como expresión y estudio del patrimonio digital, Ediciones de la Universidad de Castilla-La Mancha. p 194) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Keep: In addition to the EL's, there is also https://ojs.elte.hu/digitalisbolcseszet/article/view/822/814. I don't speak Hungarian, but it appears to be sufficient for our purposes. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 20:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Asian Cinemas

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Fails WP:ORG; does not demonstrate sufficient notability, as it lacks significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Furthermore, the content appears to be largely promotional and fails to adhere to Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and neutrality. Shinsi Bohansetr (talk) 07:01, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: significant coverage, in The Hindu, to which one can add https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/asian-cinemas-to-open-nine-more-multiplex-screens-shortly-114041000365_1.html https://telanganatoday.com/allu-arjuns-aaa-cinemas-is-now-open-in-ameerpet-hyderabad https://thesouthfirst.com/entertainment/venkatesh-and-mahesh-babu-join-hands-for-a-new-multiplex-in-hyderabad/ https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/new-cineplexes-come-up-in-hyderabad-suburbs/article6304545.ece etc. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
And "promotional", how?? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Regurgitated company announcements (such as the ones you've linked) fail GNG/NCORP criteria for establishing notability. "Significant Coverage" isn't one of the criteria. HighKing 13:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing 13:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to VASP#Accidents and incidents. Star Mississippi 15:35, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

VASP Flight 780

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While tragic, there is no indication that this airplane crash meets WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT; if there was significant, long-lasting coverage, I can't find any sources to prove it. And I have no reason to believe there is likely to be long-lasting coverage: three deaths, crashed into the forest, and the crash was caused by pilot error.

Current three sources/links, used here and on the deWiki article, are unusable for notability/unusable.[10] is a user-generated wiki, [11] is a government report on the crash (they're required to make these for every single incident), [12] is a YouTube video of a cockpit recording. My WP:BEFORE revealed two YouTube videos:[13] [14], both unusable.

I have no prejudice against selectively merging/redirecting, should a suitable target be found. Given the limited ramifications of the initial crash, even if the topic can be shown notable a stand-alone page would likely not be warranted GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Weak keep: it received reasonable coverage in Portuguese-language sources, as per pt:Voo VASP Cargo 780#Referências (note: there was no interlanguage link before). fgnievinski (talk) 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the link! I'll have a look through them. The ptWiki does appear to be of better quality than the enWiki and deWiki articles.

[15] is user generated
[16] does not mention the plane crash or the plane itself
[17] is the same crash report (and cited four times)
[18] is the Aviationbase wiki again

Then there's four 1992 news reports, all dated to within a day of the accident. The ptWiki links are broken, but the headlines appear to be the fairly routine "a plane crash happened, people died" type story that, while useful, was something I knew was likely to exist and doesn't change my arguments about WP:NEVENT, lasting coverage, WP:GNG, and WP:PAGEDECIDE.

The information about a social media user visiting the plane crash is new to me, however. For reference, here are the links:

[19] (no author credited)
[20] (no author credited)

Both of these article, to me, mostly seem to focus on the influencer's trip to the site of the planecrash. They each spare a paragraph or two to sum up the crash itself, but it's mostly spent discussing the influencer. I'm also not an expert in Brazilian newspapers, especially very local ones, but I'm having a hard time finding information about either news source. juruaonline.com.br does not have an "about me" type page- all attempts to get one redirect you to their "advertise with us"/"submit a story" type pages. juruaemtempo.com.br does actually give you some information about its reporters, but none of them were apparently willing to attach their name to this piece. So far, they are still the only examples of any WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE we have for this crash. And while these two sources are not enough to prove notability to me (I really don't think this article says anything that isn't already covered in List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737#1990s), they might be enough for somebody else to decide this is notable. So, thank you again for finding them @Fgnievinski! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 03:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

I also did a quick search for sources and can't find any online newspaper articles about the event. [21] fgnievinski (talk) 03:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete per nom – Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: The event does not have in-depth, significant nor sustained continued coverage. Additionally, no lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region have been demonstrated as a result of the accident. Criterion #4 of the event criteria states that routine kinds of news events including most accidents – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance, which this accident lacks. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to VASP#Accidents and incidents per WP:ATD-R. S5A-0043^Talk 10:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:13, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Endor AG

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Fails WP:NCORP with a lack of significant coverage. Created by a blocked user. I would argue the previous AfD of this article was withdrawn in error, as the supposed sources given were of the company's products, not the company itself. Notability cannot be inherited from products a company makes.

Possible ATD target could be Corsair due to the recent merge. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:26, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, move to Fanatec as best alternative. The idea that "Notability cannot be inherited from products a company makes" leads to the absurd conclusions at AFD that "List of X products" would be notable but "X" would not, even when the article is substantially about X products. In any case, I maintain that Fanatec as a line of products passes WP:NPRODUCT. ~ A412 ^talk! 17:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Well, WP:LISTN would imply that a list of products from a company that is not notable, would also be non-notable. In other words, only the individual products by the company Fanatec may be notable. The article Fanatec Forza Motorsport CSR Wheel would be indisputably notable if it was created ([22] [23] [24] [25]). The company - not so much. This notability of products over developers is rather common in video games too. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Move to Fanatec. Endor AG as a parent company is not notable, but Fanatec certainly is (Google News). No, it's not mentioned in the New York Times, but not everything has to be. It's mentioned in PC Gamer, Tom's Guide, various other notable gaming, racing and electronics hardware sources, especially regarding the bankruptcy. </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 06:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Additional comment: Yes, the sources do mention Endor AG a lot but only in the context of "the maker of Fanatec wheels is going bankrupt", and only for this one event. Endor AG, as a business, is not notable </MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 07:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Being "mentioned" does not make something pass WP:NCORP. Where is the significant coverage that proves Fanatec is notable and passes the guidelines? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing 13:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 11:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Kwality Wall's

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doesn't have enough reliable sources to prove that the brand is significant or notable in the ice cream market Slarticlos (talk) 07:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Absolutely notable. Try reading this source for a name. It has gained WP:SIGCOV for ages. Lorstaking (talk) 05:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Keep Highly notable and has gained widespread significant coverage as visible from here and here. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 07:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Global Securities Lending

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Not able to find anything on 2i Media, GSL, Jon Hewson and Mark Latham apart from PR articles Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 16:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Was unable to find sources to support notability. Dr vulpes (Talk) 23:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Strong delete unreferenced for 15 years. Created by a single purpose editor so possible WP:COI. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Feel free to renominate in three months. Owen× ☎ 16:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Tuirial Hydro Electric Project

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Should delete due to a lack of significant coverage and reliable sources, which could indicate that it does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Additionally, if the content is deemed to be too promotional or lacking in verifiable information Jiaoriballisse (talk) 10:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, notable for an article as it passes WP:GNG. It is clear that WP:BEFORE was not conducted before putting up this article for deletion. Sources are available[26][27][28][29]. Piscili (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep although I am pretty much meh regarding the state of the article. It is not promotional, but it is not really anything at all! Not a huge facility, but it exists and the size (60MW) is large enough to attract notice. It has coverage in some sources as above, it is a visible feature in the locality. Needs improvement, not deletion. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Delete. 2 sources on the page. One is a permanent deadlink and the other does not even have a passing mention. So there are no sources, no secondary independent sources, no significant coverage. This page fails WP:NCORP and WP:GNG. If sources exist with significant coverage in secondary independent sources that is not just an entry or passing mention or trivia news, I would reconsider my vote. This project is owned by North Eastern Electric Power Corporation Limited per source so why need to have separate page. If reliable secondary sources exist, some of the content can be Merged to the owner company but the other problem is that the owner company has 2 sources with deadlinks. So no sources there either and owner company can be AFDed too. I am going to have stay on delete. RangersRus (talk) 14:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Per WP:NBUILD, this is infrastructure, and so it needs to meet GNG not NCORP. If it were under NCORP, I'd agree it should go. But also, if going by the project owner, that would be a case for a redirect I think. NBUILD suggests a redirect is normal for non notable infrastructure. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 14:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
But redirect to owner company North Eastern Electric Power Corporation Limited that has no sources, would not be right. If owner company had significant coverage and secondary independent reliable sources to pass WP:NCORP, I would gave reconsidered redirect to it. RangersRus (talk) 15:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Malayalam films of 2003. Malinaccier (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Mazhanoolkkanavu

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PROD removed with statement "Google/English language websearch is not good for Malayalam culture". If that is the case, why is it that Google Malayalam also yields nothing [30]. Changing the year parameter to today yields an unrelated music video of a similar name. Please find a review or two before keeping this. DareshMohan (talk) 06:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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If we can be sure this was released, with a solid source, I might support a redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2003 (or to Augustine's filmography?) because the cast is rather notable. But we have only IMDb and the other Db to prove it. Is that enough? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Fails WP:NFILM. Fails significant coverage WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. If anyone can find secondary independent reliable sources with significant coverage and two or more reviews from known critics, let me know and I will reconsider my vote. RangersRus (talk) 13:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Comment. It is impossible to just do a general search to find sources due to the way sources are archived. Best to check the Sify [31], Indiainfo [32], and Keralatalkies [33] reviews. A quick ctrl-f finds nothing. DareshMohan (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to List of Malayalam films of 2003: and add another source for verification (https://www.tvguide.com/movies/mazhanoolkkanavu/2030225744/) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

New Zealand College of Business

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Cannot find any independent secondary coverage to satisfy NCORP. Current refs are not independent or are promotional. Article was created by an SPA. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:38, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete 4 google news hits says it all. Sources provided are not reliable. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 00:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 14:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Spring Financial

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Run-of-the-mill predatory/payday lender. "Reviews" are indiscriminate WP:SPIP with no meaningful content. Wikipedia is not the place to host brochures. No indication of any independent coverage, in-depth in reliable sources, in fact there's barely anything beyond the SPIP and the routine "I got predatory loaned to" that all of these have, which, while sad, are not great sources for encyclopedic content. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Not really meeting CORP. There's the Global News article about someone that wasn't happy with their loan, and this [34] where someone with the company talks about their work model... Not really sigcov in either case. Rest are all PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Based on significant coverage that requires evaluation of the product, analysis, overview, survey, and commentary of the journalist and analysts, I found three long-reads by the leading Canadian newspaper, the Global News, which provide significant coverage per WP CORPDEPTH. [35] This one offers the journalist’s in-depth analysis of Spring Financial's business practices, focusing on their "secured savings loans" product. The coverage includes detailed descriptions of the terms and conditions of Spring Financial's loans, including specific details about interest rates (the journalist checked the contract and numbers shared by the unhappy client). It has a high level of evaluation and analysis. Here is a small part of the article with the reporters doing their job: The loan agreement reviewed by Global News does not provide for a so-called “cooling-off” period, a short period of time during which applicants are allowed to request that the contract they signed be voided. In British Columbia, where Canada Drives is based, such a provision is mandatory for payday lenders, which must allow borrowers to cancel a loan by the end of the next day in which they are open for business. There is also a professor at York University’s Osgoode Hall Law School, commenting on the issue. Of course the personal story is not important by itself, but it’s not a blog or someone interviewed, it’s a real journalistic job. Another two articles [36], [37] have also comprehensive coverage that goes beyond trivial mentions, providing a thorough description, evaluation, comparison with other companies, and analysis of Spring Financial's products and business practices.--RodrigoIPacce (talk) 12:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Well, I doubt pointing out I don't find the coverage significant will help much, though I will point out for reference blog or someone interviewed, it’s a real journalistic job is not particularly grounded in our guidelines on WP:RS, which definitely dings points on human interest reporting per WP:NEWSORG. More importantly though, that's still only one source per WP:MULTSOURCES (same author, same publisher, both need to be different): Do you have two other sources that meet all four points of WP:SIRS, RodrigoIPacce? Preferably ones that clearly meet the criteria, because if there is doubt on the issue, NCORP guidance is to exclude. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing 14:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Michal Malák

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2010 Winter Olympics#Cross-country skiing because I could not find any in-depth coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is likewise an unsourced dump. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep - If you look at his record on the International Ski Federation (FIS) website which is linked in his article, Malak competed in the 2010 Winter Olympics only, not the 2018 Winter Olympics. The FIS database is among the best kept athlete recording from the 1924 Winter Olympics onward. Chris (talk) 16:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Database sources don't comply the whole notability guideline (GNG). Following WP:NSPORTS2022, participation in tournaments is no longer considered saved from deletion. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Searching through sport.sk archives all I could find were a blurb on the Olympics, brief results/participation announcements, and the subject talking about himself. Nothing but stats from ifortuna.sk, nike.sk; zero hits from tipsport.sk; and stats hits for a different Michal Malák on hokejportal.net. JoelleJay (talk) 02:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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The result was merge‎ to Aras Mountains. There seems to be a growing consensus that the target would be a better fit for the transliterated title and this content. Owen× ☎ 15:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Haykakan Par

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I struggled to find sources as firstly there seems to be a song or dance of the same name and secondly the article does not say what the Turkish name is. I found a couple of mentions in Google Scholar but not enough to show notability. I don’t know that part of Turkey so happy to be proved wrong if you know better Chidgk1 (talk) 14:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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Keep- Leaning towards keep because I believe this is more of a transliteration issue. The mountain range is easily confusable with the phrase "Armenian dance". The Armenian translation of Հայկական Պար Լեռներ did yield some results (129,000 on google). It may go by other names such as "Atsptkunq", "Sukavet" or "Bardoghi" according to this [38]. This source also refers to the mountains as "Atsptkunq" and has more precise geographic location confirming the mountain range is near the Araxes river. This source again mentions "Atsptkunq" and the fact that they were renamed "Aghre Dagh" by Turkish inhabitants. In any case, this mountain range does exist, its more so deciphering the correct name of it in Armenian and Turkish. If we can find some native speakers, I'm sure they could sift through the sources and improve the article. Archives908 (talk) 23:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
@Archives908 I am not a native speaker of Turkish but are you sure that "Aghre Dagh" is the name in Turkish? Because I have not yet managed to find that on a map and surely if it was a range the second word would be “Dağlar” wouldn’t it? I don’t know what a ridge is in Turkish.

I am a native speaker of English and if it was a ridge I would have thought it would be called “Something Ridge” in English. But is it a ridge do you know? Certainly we don’t call it “Atsptkunq” as we cannot pronounce that!

Also the text is confusing because Mt Ararat is east of the source of the Aras River not west.

I cannot understand the map in the second cite - are you able to link to a map which shows it? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah I now suspect that the name in English is Aras Mountains, for which we already have an article. So perhaps this article should be merged into that one or redirected? @North8000: - why do you think they may be different? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm not a native speaker of Turkish either. That's why I said in my comment above, "If we can find some native speakers, I'm sure they could sift through the sources and improve the article". Also, just because you may not be able to pronounce certain words, it does not mean that the range isn't called by that name. There are tens of thousands of articles on English Wikipedia with interesting names, most of which, may be hard to pronounce for native English speakers. But that is not justification enough to delete such articles. Unfortunately, I have nothing more to offer this conversation. I was able to find alternate names of the range, now its up to someone who speaks native Armenian and/or Turkish to help us verify the WP:RS we have. I still maintain my Keep vote on the basis that 1) the range exists 2) this is most likely a matter of transliteration 3) there are sources for these names out there, we just need help deciphering them. Cheers, Archives908 (talk) 22:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
"Atsptkunq" is not merely hard to pronounce for a native English speaker, it is impossible! I just asked a native Turkish speaker and she had no idea how to pronounce it either. So I am sure that is not the name in English or Turkish. We already have an article for what you call Sukavet in Armenian namely Mount Kösedağ (Ağrı). We also have Mount Zor but that does not exist in other language Wikipedias so I don’t know what that is called in Armenian. I have asked for help from Wikiproject Mountains because as far as I know Wikiproject Turkey is not very active. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately, your "friend who speaks Turkish" does not constitute WP:RS. Again, Atsptkunq is probably a transliteration of the Armenian or Turkish word. The English name may not even be 100% accurate if there was translations errors. I used Google translate, and I am unsure of the accuracy of it. However, I found about four names in total for this range. That is why we need editors who can read Armenian/Turkish fluently to sift through each of the English names AND their Armenian/Turkish translations to cross-check and verify the correct name of the range -or- to verify if the range already belongs to a another range (ideally, with RS to back it up). Since neither of us are fluent in these languages, its unwise for us to determine with certainty that this range does not exist by any of these names. Archives908 (talk) 00:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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I was pinged presumably because I raised the concern about a possible duplicate article when doing the NPP review on Aras Mountains. I've been off the grid on a trip and now am only about 5% back on the grid for the next two days. I'd be happy to work on helping figure this this out from a geographic standpoint (and it seems like that should be possible) but could only do that starting 2 days from now. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes that is why I pinged you. No rush as not a fast moving subject. I should also have pinged @Riehaiqu: who wrote that Aras Mountains and Haykakan Par are the same thing. If that is correct then an alternative to deletion would be to merge this article into Aras Mountains. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Merge into Aras Mountains. This is just me doing my best regarding suggesting what to do. If someone has more insight/knowledge than me on this and thinks otherwise I would defer to their judgement. I tried a deeper dive on this. The IMO the name Aras Mountains isn't on totally firm ground but taking it descriptively as a minimum it's a real area with mountains and ridges in it. I've found where Haykakan Par refers to some things / places in that area but nothing that refers to it as a mountain range or to the overall area encompassed by the Aras Mountains area. I used the word "merge" but the second half of the article is about some general/ cultural / political stuff for general eastern Turkey (not about the subject of the article) and it looks like nothing in the rest of the article is sourced. (including the selection of and the caption of the photo) and so IMO it's best not to bring any of the material over in a merge. Again, this is just me doing my best regarding suggesting what to do. If someone has more insight/knowledge than me on this and thinks otherwise I would defer to their judgement. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback! I am not opposed to a merge either, but I am still leaning on a Keep vote (temporarily). I believe rather than this article being nominated for deletion, it would have been better if the nominator brought this to the talk page where we could have taken the time to do a thorough review and potentially reach a WP:CON. Our dilemma here is, we need a native speaker of Turkish and Armenian in order to conduct a search of all 5 or 6 of the potential names of this ridge to better determine if 1) this is an independent geological formation of notability 2) if it is in fact a duplication of Aras Mountains or 3) if this is a transliteration issue and the ridge goes by a completely different Armenian or Turkish name that we all may be unaware of. I believe a deletion or even a merge may be premature considering we have been unsuccessful to determine this with absolute certainty. I don't think keeping this article (for now) and conducting more research would be a bad thing. It could always be re-nomed for deletion once we have more clarity. Regards, Archives908 (talk) 19:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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