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Otago Gold Rush (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is alot of work but the team has ample coverage about it as one of the top women's basketball teams in New Zealand.National Womens Basketball Championships Finals Tip Off Thursday, Long build-up finally over for Gold Rush, Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaldi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The team played in the Women's Basketball Championship – a fairly unremarkable New Zealand domestic competition with no wiki page. Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Uno

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the others are some type of listing. (It's not broadcast television channel.) Tagged by others for sourcing issues since march North8000 (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Italia.4meter4 (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Arena

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the other are some type of listing. It's not a television stattion. It appears that it is some type of content which is available for streaming. North8000 (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lakhan Rawat

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The same reason applies as it did for Lakhan Singh (cricketer). I do not believe the subject meets the WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) available about the subject's career as a cricketer, which directly fails the WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the article's creator is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 11:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lack of SIGCOV couldn't warrant a standalone article. Garudam ^Talk! 13:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom.
Shrug02 (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A few brief mentions in Times of India match reports [1], there appear to be more mentions in the archive of The Hindu [2] (although someone who is a subscriber needs to see what level of coverage is present in these articles).Nigel Ish (talk) 16:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 UNAF U-20 Tournament squads

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There is a general consensus that minor regional football tournaments do not warrant separate sub-articles, especially those focused on age-specific categories. Such articles are reserved exclusively for continental championships that attract significant media attention and widespread recognition. EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 OFC U-16 Men's Championship squads and the many other cases cited in that AFD. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will improve the article by adding every team squad 197.165.171.179 (talk) 10:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Supercopa de Catalunya

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I appreciate this article has only recently been created and had to go through the AfC process to do so, but there is simply no need for standalone articles on these matches. The Supercopa de Catalunya was a novelty trophy created by the Catalan Federation so they could expand the existing Copa de Catalunya to more clubs but still wanted to have a guaranteed match between Barcelona and Espanyol (probably not anticipating the latter's decline and the rise of Girona in the region). So the tournament itself is notable, but clearly wasn't taken very seriously as demonstrated by the attendance being about 10k each time when Barcelona have 70k season tickets. The tournament then seemed to die altogether due to COVID and has not been played since. The 2 paragraphs of information in this article (and that for 2018) summarising the match can be and should be merged into the Supercopa article. Crowsus (talk) 21:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Supercopa de Catalunya as possible search term, not independently notable. Giant Snowman 14:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Supercopa de Catalunya - not very important match, evidence is lacking that there is enough content for a separate article for each year. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Supercopa de Catalunya

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I appreciate this article has only recently been created and had to go through the AfC process to do so, but there is simply no need for standalone articles on these matches. The Supercopa de Catalunya was a novelty trophy created by the Catalan Federation so they could expand the existing Copa de Catalunya to more clubs but still wanted to have a guaranteed match between Barcelona and Espanyol (probably not anticipating the latter's decline and the rise of Girona in the region). So the tournament itself is notable, but clearly wasnt taken very seriously as demonstrated by the attendance being about 10k each time when Barcelona have 70k season tickets. The tournament then seemed to die altogether due to COVID and has not been played since. The 2 paragraphs of information in this article (and that for 2014) summarising the match can be and should be merged into the Supercopa article. Crowsus (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Supercopa de Catalunya as possible search term, not independently notable. Giant Snowman 14:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. No sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. I'm requesting a more lengthy & thorough review of this to provide a bit of guidance for many like this that are sitting in the old part of NPP que. Under similar ones I've seen somebody just saying "coverage probably exists" without providing it, and without even arguing (much less establishing) that GNG coverage exists or that it is coverage of this topic. (not of something which just might fall under this topic, and not of something that this topic might fall under.) My own opinion is that something that is at least close to GNG coverage on this topic (not necessarily meeting the strictest interpretation of what GNG coverage is) would need to be added to the article to establish wp:notability, IMO a sort of "middle of the road" practical interpretation. North8000 (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Upon searching the topic there's slim to none coverage to be found, that said merging to 2023 National Games of India could be considered. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 22:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't meet WP:GNG. In general, we don't need separate events for each sport at a national level competition, as they won't meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Geschichte (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solomon Islands at the 2024 World Aquatics Championships

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under GNG or SNG. Basically the whole article is to say that they entered one person in that event and they lost. No GNG sources, just one database type source for that factoid. North8000 (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This type of article/list has very little potential for growrth, and is at best appropriate for an overview along the lines of Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships. It doesn't exist, so a merge isn't possible at the time. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships and repurpose/expand the article under that broader topic per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Thoroughbred Racing on CBS commentators

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I'm not finding the needed coverage of these commentators as a grouping to meet the WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 05:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The title is badly written but I do think sports commentators who specialize in covering horse races is an appropriate list topic under WP:NLIST. There appears to be enough of them on this one network for it to be a substantial list.4meter4 (talk) 11:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this needs a large reformatting to bring it in line with standards (and maybe a re-titling), but the information contained within it seems like it adds value to the encyclopedia. Certainly offers more useful information than many of the other Category:Lists of horse racing commentators. RachelTensions (talk) 17:30, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Thoroughbred Racing on CBS. I could not find any sources either. The only reasonble keep would be due to the length of the parent but I don't see a reason this information couldn't just be included there. Esolo5002 (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge. I think this is an appropriate fork of Thoroughbred Racing on CBS, but I would also support a merge to that article.4meter4 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. Owen× ☎ 15:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Super Bowl losing quarterbacks

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Topic is not independently notable, essentially trivia, and is already included in List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. This is an unnecessary content fork as everything is already covered in the target article. Also fails WP:NLIST with no coverage specifically of losing QBs as a group (only thing I could find was the an AI-generated Statmuse page already in the article). Frank Anchor 14:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I get what you mean it's just a lot of the data provided in my article, other than the list itself, is nowhere on wikipedia. None of the winning percentages, data, nothing. While it may be considered trivia in your eyes, so is most of the list of super bowl starting quarterbacks. It is also simply interesting data for some football fanatics. It may not necessarily need deletion either, and could go as an insertion into the list of super Bowl quarterbacks article, not in it's entirety, but somewhat. Take the interesting statistics section, add some other undefeated QB's in there, and voila. RSWC65onYT (talk) 15:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Duplicative and unnecessary content fork. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks as a valid WP:ATD. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks.
Delete or redirect per above. Cbl62 (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Super Bowl starting quarterbacks as a valid WP:ATD. Already covered elsewhere, per all above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 12:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Otago Gold Rush (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is alot of work but the team has ample coverage about it as one of the top women's basketball teams in New Zealand.National Womens Basketball Championships Finals Tip Off Thursday, Long build-up finally over for Gold Rush, Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaldi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The team played in the Women's Basketball Championship – a fairly unremarkable New Zealand domestic competition with no wiki page. Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [3]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw this if suitable coverage is found, but I didn't find any in depth coverage. Appears to be a run-of-the-mill coach with short stints at various colleges, and who peaked with one year as an assistant in the NBA. Meters (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Koosha Toofan

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. Nothing on a before. No indication of significance. Been on the cat:nn since 2010. scope_creep^Talk 14:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The article has no claim of importance, and the references do not demonstrate notability. The World Physique magazine interview is the best source, and I'm not sure it should be counted at all for GNG; the other sources are worse. A Google search finds nothing other than his personal website (with a biography that differs substantially from this one) and Wikipedia derivatives. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Falls WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Ampil ^{(Ταικ • Cοnτribυτιοns)} 13:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Major Clubs T20 Tournament

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Domestic cricket tournament with no coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seasons of this tournament also. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lakhan Rawat

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The same reason applies as it did for Lakhan Singh (cricketer). I do not believe the subject meets the WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) available about the subject's career as a cricketer, which directly fails the WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the article's creator is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 11:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lack of SIGCOV couldn't warrant a standalone article. Garudam ^Talk! 13:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom.
Shrug02 (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A few brief mentions in Times of India match reports [4], there appear to be more mentions in the archive of The Hindu [5] (although someone who is a subscriber needs to see what level of coverage is present in these articles).Nigel Ish (talk) 16:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lakhan Singh (cricketer)

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I don’t believe the subject meets WP:GNG criteria. Furthermore, there is no significant coverage available about the subject as a cricketer, which directly fails WP:NCRIC. Additionally, the creator of the article is currently blocked. Baqi:) (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I could find no significant coverage. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 16:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There's little to none SIGCOV to be found. HistoryofAryavart (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails notability and significant coverage criterias.
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The result was redirect‎ to List of Hong Kong Twenty20 International cricketers. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Coetzee

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Probably not the Martin Coetzee at University of Pretoria. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Hong Kong Twenty20 International cricketers per WP:ATD. Gheus (talk) 08:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator of this AFD I am happy to support redirect as suggested by @Gheus Shrug02 (talk) 15:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Hong Kong Twenty20 International cricketers. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ally Kimote

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Fails to meet notability and significant coverage criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. None of the sources address the subject directly or in detail other than sports databases which have been deemed not relevant towards proving notability. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 21:23, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tanzania Twenty20 International cricketers as WP:ATD exists. Gheus (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator of this AFD I am happy to support redirect as suggested by @Gheus Shrug02 (talk) 15:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rakibul Hasan

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Fails to meet significant coverage criteria. I PRODed this article but then discovered it had already been done in the past so am now AFDing it. Shrug02 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Confusingly, there's also a Rakibul Hasan (cricketer, born 2002) out there who is no more notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Italy Twenty20 International cricketers per WP:ATD. Gheus (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete or redirect?
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As the nominator of this AFD I am happy to support redirect as suggested by @Gheus Shrug02 (talk) 15:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Jara

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Only played 706 minutes in Peru as well as the Chilean second division. Kept before due to a guideline that no longer exists. A WP:BEFORE only yielded this piece from before he went to Peru, and this quote-heavy piece – in addition to databases and passing mentions. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: not notable, couldn't find any other sources that would make the player pass GNG Noah ^💬 18:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piotr Bartkowiak

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The article of this Polish men's footballer has been tagged for notability issues for more 15 years. He only played four matches with Lech Poznań in Extraklarsa, before moving to lower clubs then disappeared for over two decades. I can't find anything other than database sources and a lot of results show the unrelated assistant coach Karol Bartkowiak. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - if you want the article cleaned up or looked at, then sending it to AfD is not the right way to go about it. Doubtless, nineteen years on people will be able to find better sources than me. I remember translating several footballers' articles from foreign-language Wikipedias back in the day and if it seems so long since I worked on Polish footballers. The article was deleted on pl.wiki around three weeks after I submitted it to en.wiki on whatever the equivalent is on Poland's AfD. Bobo . 15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2009–10 FC Nistru season

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stub not currently fit for mainspace and no evidence of notability Microwave Anarchist (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Article on the beginnings of the project. Svartner (talk) 09:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All the other teams have pages of similar quality. See the navbox Geschichte (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Serie A

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Zero references other than their own website. North8000 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I can't even verify that this was ever a TV Channel. The 'source' provided is just the Serie A section of the Sky website. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sky Italia#Sky Sport and Sky Calcio – Is also a valid WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and marge but to Sky Sport (Italy), sorry Svartner but I feel my suggestion would be a better redirect target. @GiantSnowman: redirect?? Cheap?? Govvy (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Spiderone It was rebranded to Sky sport calcio, regards, Govvy (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I'm not opposed to redirecting to your suggestion. Svartner (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, happy with a redirect! Giant Snowman 19:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Govvy Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cherdsak Chaiyabutr

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reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Of the 4 references, the first is a youtube video,, the 2nd and 3rd just includ a single mention of his name in a list. I can't find anything at the 4th references although the title looks like an entry in a 1977 newspaper that says that their team won. Tagged by others for wp:notability sinces September. North8000 (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The Youtube video in question is a nationally televised TV programme dedicated to profiling renowned sportspeople from the past. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm not good at finding Thai sources but from quick glances, apparently, he's now vice president of the Football Association of Thailand as of July 2024 according to this and this which could demonstrate some notability. I could also find a sports program dedicated to him here and had some brief success as a youth coach in 2009. He's also repeatedly mentioned in notable Thai footballers of the 1970s such as this and this, He also participated in the 1976 King's Cup according to this site. SuperSkaterDude45 (discusión) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Bogojević

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only no GNG references, has no references other than 4 database listings. North8000 (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it was fairly trivial to find some mainstream Croatian sports coverage like the Večernji list report on when he signed to Rijeka [6] or some of the Sportske novosti articles tagged with his name [7], and these newspapers talk of an experienced player. If we drop this biography where over a hundred appearances are recorded at the top level of a national football league over a period of many years, we would in turn have to drop probably many many more. --Joy (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Joy, good WP:COMMONSENSE arguments. Giant Snowman 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chand FC Layyah

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. All 6 of the references are just databases All of the content is derived from database factoids. Says the last played 11 years ago but never even says what happened to them. North8000 (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan: Lack of WP:SIGCOV, can be redirected to List of football clubs in Pakistan Demt1298 (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NSPORT along with GNG. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mardan Blue Star FC

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Oof the seven reference, 4 are databases, 2 don't even mention them and one has a paragraph w3hich says they were going to the finals one year. All of the content is derived from database factoids. Say the last played 10 years ago but never eves says what happened to them. North8000 (talk) 21:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan: Lack of WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Lacks reliable secondary sources. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Utrilla

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Absence of sources discussing the individual in detail. As a footballer it appears he played a single league match in 2016. This is far below the threshold for establishing notability. C 679 07:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, nowhere close to notable. Geschichte (talk) 20:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johanne Guillou

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Player unfortunately fails WP:GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 16:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Not at all enough references in article (fixable), notability is not shown. There might be a scarce amount of references. Does not meet the Notability Guideline. (Wp:GNG) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kanta Nagakawa

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Player unfortunately fails WP:GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 17:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails every policy. Geschichte (talk) 18:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicola Guglielmelli

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This has to be the shortest nomination in an AfD I've seen, but it does the job: the article presents nothing to pass WP:GNG and neither does a search. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 UNAF U-20 Tournament squads

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There is a general consensus that minor regional football tournaments do not warrant separate sub-articles, especially those focused on age-specific categories. Such articles are reserved exclusively for continental championships that attract significant media attention and widespread recognition. EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 OFC U-16 Men's Championship squads and the many other cases cited in that AFD. Geschichte (talk) 07:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will improve the article by adding every team squad 197.165.171.179 (talk) 10:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Supercopa de Catalunya

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I appreciate this article has only recently been created and had to go through the AfC process to do so, but there is simply no need for standalone articles on these matches. The Supercopa de Catalunya was a novelty trophy created by the Catalan Federation so they could expand the existing Copa de Catalunya to more clubs but still wanted to have a guaranteed match between Barcelona and Espanyol (probably not anticipating the latter's decline and the rise of Girona in the region). So the tournament itself is notable, but clearly wasnt taken very seriously as demonstrated by the attendance being about 10k each time when Barcelona have 70k season tickets. The tournament then seemed to die altogether due to COVID and has not been played since. The 2 paragraphs of information in this article (and that for 2014) summarising the match can be and should be merged into the Supercopa article. Crowsus (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Supercopa de Catalunya as possible search term, not independently notable. Giant Snowman 14:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2014 Supercopa de Catalunya

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I appreciate this article has only recently been created and had to go through the AfC process to do so, but there is simply no need for standalone articles on these matches. The Supercopa de Catalunya was a novelty trophy created by the Catalan Federation so they could expand the existing Copa de Catalunya to more clubs but still wanted to have a guaranteed match between Barcelona and Espanyol (probably not anticipating the latter's decline and the rise of Girona in the region). So the tournament itself is notable, but clearly wasn't taken very seriously as demonstrated by the attendance being about 10k each time when Barcelona have 70k season tickets. The tournament then seemed to die altogether due to COVID and has not been played since. The 2 paragraphs of information in this article (and that for 2018) summarising the match can be and should be merged into the Supercopa article. Crowsus (talk) 21:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Supercopa de Catalunya as possible search term, not independently notable. Giant Snowman 14:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Supercopa de Catalunya - not very important match, evidence is lacking that there is enough content for a separate article for each year. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Ramírez (footballer, born 1993)

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Notability is questionable but worth discussing. I'm struggling to find anything else than databases, primary sources and match reports - which is the case in the Spanish Wikipedia too. He is certainly not an accomplished footballer, having represented two elite clubs, and playing 70 minutes in the cup and 139 minutes in the league for these two clubs respectively. I did find a piece about him being champion of Belize, though the league of Belize is very, very low-ranking. I am open to suggestions about more coverage. Geschichte (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Fieber (footballer, born 1989)

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According to Soccerway, he only played 19 matches at professional level before moving to lower leagues then disappeared. The sources provided are either passing mentions and transfer announcements. Being the son of a former footballer, notability is not inherited from relatives. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No significant coverage on this player. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As long as it's verifiable, which it is, I think two-three sentences should be merged and redirected to Peter Fieber. The reason is that it would be bad to not mention the son at the father's page. Geschichte (talk) 07:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 14:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have now merged most of the interesting info about the son to a Personal life section in the article of Peter Fieber. Geschichte (talk) 09:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Giménez

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The claim to notability is weak (some would say there isn't even one at all) and I can find no WP:SPORTBASIC-worthy sources. I found ANFP and Soy Chile in my searches but these are far from good enough. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. This is one of common birth names in the Spanish-speaking world that namesakes may be found. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Schlossár

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Another long-time stub of a Slovak men's footballer named Martin without evidence of meeting WP:GNG. He spends most of his career in lower leagues and only played seven minutes in one match at a professional level so far. Regarding secondary sources, I only found SME where he is just mentioned in match result. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:SIGCOV not demonstrated. Zero Google Books results. Less than 20 Google News results and they seem to be mentions or primary source material from his football club. Less than 80 Google Search results - not prominent. starship.paint (talk / cont) 09:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tengeg Neville

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Lacking significant coverage, does not meet WP:NSPORT. Frost 11:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He is an outstanding football player in Cambodian Premier League as what I mentioned. The source I'd provided is reasonable or u need me to add more source to prevent from article deletion? Best regard! Iphone5Sgold (talk) 15:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please review references I just add. Thanks! Iphone5Sgold (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @GiantSnowman: as sources were added Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't see any significant coverage. Giant Snowman 16:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Volcanic Sports is a Blogspot source so it's not WP:RS. Kick442 mentions him scoring a goal but contains no significant coverage. The two Khmer Times articles are both trivial mentions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 00:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kick442 mentions him scoring a goal but contains no significant coverage. As long as the website tells only about the footballer more than that stuff, it would be fine in my opinion. I imagine this one is such an example. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, the Kick442 isn't enough. In the prose part of the article, he is only mentioned in the first sentence. I wouldn't class it as significant but that's just my personal opinion. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:53, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Héctor Pérez (footballer, born 1983)

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. First, a WP:BEFORE found no significant and independent coverage, only databases, namesakes and WP:PASSING mentions such as this, this and the ABC piece already in the article (which mentions him in a match lineup). Second, the international appearance for Paraguay seems false. According to NFT, the only Pérez who played that match was Hernán Pérez, a much more merited player, and think about it: why would Héctor Pérez represent Paraguay in 2011 when he has not been verified as having a club that year, playing once in 2010? Geschichte (talk) 08:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diego Gutiérrez (footballer, born 1993)

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Not possible to verify that this player played anywhere significant or meets WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Never played any games for Carolina Switchbacks. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Demt1298 (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islom Kenjaboev

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Tagged for this by others since September. Has no sources other than databases much less GNG sources. North8000 (talk) 22:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. I could find no WP:RS.4meter4 (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails on WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Popularity of Premier League clubs

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Not a suitable topic for an article, it requires too much original research. Largely based on one study conducted by Twitter in 2015. Many of the other statements are unsourced or not supported by the source. Walsh90210 (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NOTPROMO. Also an inappropriate WP:CFORK.4meter4 (talk) 23:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: if deleted merge into other articles please.

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Delete This isn't WP:NOTPROMO, but it is essentially a literature review. SportingFlyer T·C 05:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - per SportingFlyer. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:SYNTH. Govvy (talk) 14:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete but Premier League would probably benefit from a section talking in broad terms about the popularity of the league and its teams overseas (when I was a kid I doubt that more than a handful of people in the likes of Ghana, Yemen, Malawi, etc, had ever even heard of the top English clubs but now in many such countries they are more popular than the top local clubs). What we definitely don't need, though, is an exhaustive breakdown of the most popular PL team in every individual country -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the match report on news media only focuses on a specific footballer and describes them in significant detail independently (that said, tiny piece of or without direct speech), would it still count towards GNG? I also was told that interview sources with big independent analysis would make the article pass GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenichi Nozawa

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG as only 19 of the games came in the J League system, namely Japan's third league. Japanese Wikipedia only has two sources, which are primary. Creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 16:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I notice there are 17 foreign language wiki pages. Do any of those have better sources than the English wiki page?4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Considering most of them were created by the same 2-3 people, I doubt it. I had a look and the sources were basically the same. Procyon117 (talk) 12:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And those 2-3 people was a sock farm Geschichte (talk) 07:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Montenegrin Women's League

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Contested draftification. Entirely unsourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Isolated editions of women's competitions rarely have WP:GNG on their own. Svartner (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per Svartner. The level of women's football is low, resulting in significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FFK National Educational Camp

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Contested draftification. Not well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to FC Hajvalia – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 23:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of football clubs in Pakistan. Owen× ☎ 15:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eleven Star FC

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Fails WP:GNG. Club only existed for one season and does not have WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 23:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above.--Gul Butt (talk) 18:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan.--گل زیب (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, this article along with Chand FC Layyah and Mardan Blue Star FC which just got nominated for deletion. I did these articles as the upcoming Pakistan Premier League is expected to only include club sides for the first time in history, as previously the sport was dominated by government entities, but honestly these clubs in particular have been a headache to find more sources. Didn't expect that, I think best for now would be redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan. JayFT047 (talk) 00:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan: As per WP:ATD Wikibear47 (talk) 15:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Serie A broadcasters

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Notability of this topic has not changed since the last AFD 6-7 months ago. It still falls foul of WP:NOTTVGUIDE, and doesn't meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG. I would support WP:SALTing this to prevent another re-creation. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Not deemed to have standalone notability here (straight lift from itwiki which can set their own inclusion standards) and already deleted recently only to re-appear due to the page title being 'freed'. Crowsus (talk) 12:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think it's important to note that it's not a direct recreation. There was a request for speedy deletion which was denied by Asilvering saying decline WP:G4, text greatly expanded from deleted version, no longer just a list, would need new discussion. Therefore the recreation isn't due to the page title being 'freed', but rather the creator would seem to think the expansion is enough for it to be notable enough to stand currently (also see what Claudio Fernag wrote on the talk page: This page should not be speedily deleted because the article is no substantially identical to the deleted version. The article is no longer just a list of broadcasters like when it was deleted, a context has been added that gives it notability, and verifiable and reliable sources were also included. The same happened with the article List of La Liga broadcasters, which at first was just a table with a list of broadcasters. It was nominated for deletion, more information was added to give it more notability and it was finally kept). --SuperJew (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Fair enough, but to be fair I couldn't see the original version for comparison. Crowsus (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and SALT I also agree with nomination, I feel this is not the right type of material we should be having on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 17:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: but rename to "Serie A in media", "Serie A broadcasting", "Serie A on television" or similar, not opposed to Draftify until quality concerns are met. Strongly opposed to salting. The article is not in a great state and is clearly based on / inspired by the it:wiki article which is IMO in need of some editing to trim it down. Nonetheless, the notability is clearly there, and this should be the "expansion/detailed article" corresponding to the TV rights section of the Serie A article. There is repeated coverage of TV rights negotiations, impacts on viewers and commentary on current status of TV rights in the main Italian newspapers of record (e.g., 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...). There is more specialized work to analyze the landscape in niche publications / sources (which should naturally be reviewed to ensure they pass RS), such as 6, 7 (also independently published as a book, which may be better for referencing), 8, 9, 10 (appears to be a very good source, published by Taylor & Francis), 11... Research papers on this topic also exist, however I don't know if they meet our quality requirements: 12 and 13 published when Serie A TV rights were being renewed in 2005, 14, 15, 16... As well as theses (again, to check if RS is met): 17, 18. Shazback (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep am I missing something? This isn't the same article, and it seems to clearly pass WP:GNG with those Italian language articles above. We don't gatekeep if something is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also WP:NOTTVGUIDE clearly does not apply here, which is for upcoming shows on specific networks. SportingFlyer T·C 18:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They don't look like WP:SUSTAINED coverage to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources already in the article that span 20 years of coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 20:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be sufficient for WP:SUSTAINED? In 1995, half-page on page 4 of La Stampa regarding the TV rights sales of Serie A and B La Stampa 31 Oct. 1995 p.4, 2010 editorial article and analysis in La Repubblica on how TV rights sales affect the league to optimize commercial revenues La Repubblica 3 Mar. 2010 online, unknown if published... See the links above in addition... What type of sources would satisfy this aspect of the notability guideline? Shazback (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to GiantSnowman, IgnatiusofLondon, TimothyBlue, SpacedFarmer as they participated in the previous AfD. Shazback (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - article appears impressive, but is very poorly written and sourcing is inadequate to show notability of this topic. Giant Snowman 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Poor writing should be improved, not deleted. Regarding the sourcing, can you expand as two editors above have explained in detail how there is enough sourcing. --SuperJew (talk) 07:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Serie A#Television rights – No need for a fork, as decided in similar AfD in the past. If there is relevant content, simply add it to this section. Svartner (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although the article can be improved, it is notable enough as shown by editors above and shouldn't be deleted. Summarising and merging is a possible alternative, though it seems to me that there is enough content for a standalone page. --SuperJew (talk) 07:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Haruki Umemura

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Deleted before. No trace of notability, played 1 cup game and not in any of the J Leagues, creator is globally locked. Geschichte (talk) 20:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Umemura was deemed non-notable back in the first AfD ten years ago. He must meet GNG only in order for this article to be kept, as NFOOTBALL no longer exists. Even while searching for his name in Japanese, I didn't find any significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - So, Umemura didn’t play a lot of soccer due to some serious injuries, but there is an absolute ton of extensive independent coverage both of the injuries cutting his career short, but also of his after football career as the assistant abbot of a Buddhist temple belonging to his wife’s family. I’ve gone ahead and edited the article with all the extra information, sources and line citations. It’s all in Japanese (naturally), but you should be able to use google translate to check it if you are so inclined. I only ended up using like 6-7 of the articles, but there are at least another dozen or so readily apparent via a basic google search of his name (in kanji), and I can only guess many more if I used more precise search terms. With all these in-depth and independent sources, there is no way that this article does not meet general notability, and since, as @Clariniie points out, there is no seperate NFOOTBALL, this is as clear a keep as I’ve come across in a while. Ping to @GiantSnowman as requested. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To add, I can’t find evidence of a prior AfD (I’m guessing just because I don’t know where to look, having only been here 3 months still), but if it was 10 years ago that would have been just after that first injury, so it makes sense it failed because at that stage he’d still played no professional games yet, and had not transformed himself into a monk, so coverage would have been minimum simple due to “too soon”. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haruki Umemura, it's literally linked in the top corner. Please summarise the sources for us. Giant Snowman 18:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, nice, can’t believe I didn’t look there.

They’re all in the article now, I added them all as sources / line citations… just click and translate via google translate. Some shorter articles, but some long articles too, a couple in the 3-5 page range. Here’s the kanji for his name though 梅村晴貴 - cut and past that into google and you’ll get the full basic search for his name.

It’s late here and I need to sleep, but if you still really need me to go through them for you rather than looking, I’ll have time later tomorrow.

Have a great day over there. Absurdum4242 (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so just the basics since I’m a bit busy this afternoon, but here’s that summary. Source order is as listed on the article.

Sources 2 and 4 - different pages from a 3 page article in a sports magazine on Umemura’s youth career, move to the professionals, and the injury that derailed his career.

Source 3 - single page article in the Shizuoka Shinbun Newspaper talking about Umemura’s participation in the SBS Cup International Youth Soccer tournament during his youth career.

Source 5 - short announcement, in an online soccer site, published by Kodansha, Japan’s largest publisher, announcing his professional signing.

Source 6 - short announcement, in same online site as source 5, announcing his injury and upcoming surgery.

Source 8 - 4 page article in a sports magazine talking about Umemura’s move from professional player, to team staff, to priest, due to the request from his wife’s family to take over their temple, and about his new role in that temple.

Source 9 - 1 page article in same online site as 5 and 6, talking about transition from player, to team staff, and then his two and a half years of training to gain his priest’s license. Also an announcement that he will be involved in a 15th anniversary match for the Toyama team, that I haven’t tracked down yet, as this article talks about it in the future tense.

Hope that helps. Absurdum4242 (talk) 04:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Artcile has been updated with more sources, giving this another week so it can be re-evaluated.
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List of Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) broadcasters

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I'm not finding coverage of the broadcasters of this league as a grouping from secondary sources to meet the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 02:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per my comments at last AFD (which I started!). Giant Snowman 08:47, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Approximately 52 more sources (so it went from having 135 to now having 187 different references) have been added through the aid of the Google News Archive. BornonJune8 (talk 6:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Instead of deletion, why can't merging it with the Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television be considered as an alternative option to having an stand-alone article for the list of MISL broadcasters? The MISL on TV article though, only covers national broadcasters and not local like in the former. BornonJune8 (talk 10:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to participants in Wikipedia: Articles for deletion/List of Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) broadcasters (not including those that have already participated above): Seany91, SportingFlyer, Davidstewartharvey, ChrisTheDude. Shazback (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Looking at the article's sources, they seem to be WP:ROUTINE mentions that something happened (e.g., YouTube videos which are just copies of the broadcast of a game, news articles reporting the match's results and participants), making this seem like citation overkill. What are the best sources which establish notability of this list as per WP:NLIST? In particular for the announcers. Shazback (talk) 21:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- My quick assessment of the first 10 sources for information:

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
1984 MISL Championship Game 5 Baltimore Blast vs St. Louis Steamers June 8, 1984 on YouTube	~ Uploaded by the club	~ User-generated content / YouTube	Rebroadcast of a game / primary source	✘ No
Woolf, Lee (February 28, 1984). "Regional Stations Sack Usfl Opener. - Page 4". The Free Lance-Star. Retrieved November 17, 2024.			Routine. Full text of the mention: "Baltimore's WJZ will continue to show USFL games each Sunday through the playoffs with one exception, this Sunday afternoon when the football game will be pre-empted for a Baltimore Blast indoor soccer match."	✘ No
MISL Baltimore Blast @ New York Arrows March 27, 1981 on YouTube	~ Uploaded by the club	~ User-generated content / YouTube	Rebroadcast of a game / primary source	✘ No
"Observer-Reporter - Page 17". Observer-Reporter. May 24, 1984. Retrieved November 17, 2024.			Routine. Full text of the mention: "Along with Ruan on nationally televised game will be Al Trautwig, the Blast's play-by-play announcer on WJZ and also the former USA Cable Network play-by-play announcer on MISL broadcasts, and Kyle Rote Jr., an ex-Dallas Tornado player in the North American Soccer League."	✘ No
MISL Buffalo Stallions at St Louis Steamers 2-27-81 on YouTube	? Pseudonymous YouTube uploader	~ User-generated content / YouTube	Rebroadcast of a game / primary source	✘ No
MISL Philly Fever at Buffalo Stallions 12-26-81 on YouTube	? Wrong YouTube link?	? Wrong YouTube link?	Wrong YouTube link? Not relevant to the article	✘ No
"LANCERS MOURN THE PASSING OF LEGENDARY ANNOUNCER WAYNE FULLER". Rochester Lancers. 12 February 2018.	~ Club's website	~ Club's website, appears to be republishing a template biography (same text as next source)	No commentary on broadcasters / announcers as a set. Minor routine mention that Fuller announced games for the Lancers	✘ No
"A SOCCER VOICE IS SILENCED: Wayne Fuller, voice of original Lancers, passes away". Front Row Soccer. February 9, 2018.	Blog / personal website	~ Blog / personal website, appears to be republishing a template biography (same text as previous source)	No commentary on broadcasters / announcers as a set. Minor routine mention that Fuller announced games for the Lancers	✘ No
"March 1987 Sting "Bee Lines"" (PDF). Fun While It Lasted.	~ Club's magazine	~ Club's magazine	Non-searchable PDF, no page referenced - best I can find is the following on page 13, which appears fully routine. Full text: "Next Televised Game. Follow the Sting onSportsVision and WPWR-TV CH. 50 with Howard Balson and David Huson. Watch the Skint live from Minnesota, April 7, 7:30 p.m. on WPWR-TV CH. 50."	✘ No
"Movies Supplant Cable Sports. - Page 22". The Vindicator. July 11, 1986. Retrieved November 11, 2024.			Article that could be relevant in the main article (or MISL on TV) showing commentary that MISL was interesting for cable sports channels that were looking to fill air-time. However, only extremely routine mention of one broadcaster for one channel, not significant coverage of this article's topic.	✘ No
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Merge I think we've deleted broadcaster articles since the last AfD, there's a good merge target, and we could retain relevant information there. SportingFlyer T·C 22:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting to see if the proposed Merge target is Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television. It would be nice to see what Let'srun and Giant Snowman think about this suggestion.
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Merge to Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 03:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Major Indoor Soccer League (1978–1992) on television. Doesn't seems like there is enough to meet WP:NLIST here. Esolo5002 (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elephant football

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Fails WP:GNG. No secondary sources that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There appears to be some coverage of the topic of elephants playing football, e.g. Newsweek, Reuters, The Independent, AS, News9, as well as some books, e.g. [16] & [17]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Elephants are sadly abused in many ways, but the fact that this happens doesn't make it a specific notable topic. If anything there can be a sentence at Elephant polo saying they are forced to play other sports, but these sources don't justify an article here. Reywas92^Talk 21:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep or perhaps find a suitable WP:ATD such as a merge to Captive elephants. There is coverage on this (both as an event and people protesting it) in secondary sources: [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24] Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Captive elephants as above. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: It makes no sense to redirect to captive elephants. If such logic is applied all sports involing animals will be affected. There is no harm in keeping and incubating the article. Such sports is basically for tourism activities rather than for hard core sport activity. Also as 4meter4 pointed out, there is WP:SIGCOV as well. nirmal (talk) 04:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KeepAs per 4meter4 and BeanieFan11 there is WP:SIGCOV for this.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per all of the sources, identified by 4meter4. The subject has enough wp:sigcov for a standalone. Kaizenify (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Enough SigCov to pass WP:GNG.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of secondary coverage that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I do see Indonesian articles such as [25] [26] [27] which demonstrate the club is covered in the media on a consistent basis, but I'm struggling with the language barrier. SportingFlyer T·C 18:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (appear to) show notability. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources in the article and this AfD only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football in Indonesia, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that according to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of sources in the article and this AfD provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources presented are sufficient for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources appear to meet the required standard of notability and provide credible and sufficient evidence Bernie Clay Bear (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:SPORTCRIT, "Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage." None of the sources above or in general provide significant coverage of the club itself beyond routine game coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Those sources are, indeed, routine game coverage - and they're the best of what's out there, TBH. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only one of the sources cited in the article actually works, and it's WP:ROUTINE. Unfortunately, so are the other sources presented by SportingFlyer. There's not enough WP:SIGCOV to support an article at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those aren't the only sources though - a WP:BEFORE search is tricky because there's a few names this club is called, but there's definitely consistent online coverage from at least 2022. SportingFlyer T·C 22:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BEFORE searches only found a few results related to game match outcomes, which align with WP:ROUTINE. 10:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC) Ckfasdf (talk) 10:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kai Trump

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Previously deleted/redirected at AfD. Recreated by a new user and honestly the coverage doesn't look any better than it did at the first AfD, so I can't see it warranting a standalone article. Serious issues with WP:NOTINHERITED. Should be redirected back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (EDIT: I am also fine redirecting back to Family of Donald Trump) as per the consensus of the last AfD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as done previously and lock it to prevent repeated disruption. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect per last AfD. This shouldn't even go to AfD, it should be up to those few who think it should be a standalone article to demonstrate what has changed and why that would change the previous AfD consensus. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:GNG with multiple references focusing on her:

These references have all been published after the last AfD, and/or were not in the article during the last AfD. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this coverage suggests that she is notable separate from her relationship to the broader Trump family, and is pretty insubstantial. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is covered in-depth in multiple WP:RS that are independent of her, which satisfies the requirements in WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly post that could be made about any subject whatsoever.

None of the sources at the article Julius Caesar suggest that he is notable separate from his relationship to his broader military and political achievements -- do you here suggest a redirect to Roman Empire per WP:NOPAGE? jp×g 🗯️ 00:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the valid reason would be that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. This is a point that is often misunderstood on Wikipedia, presumably because of WP:UPPERCASE shortcuts like WP:NOTINHERITED. If you actually read WP:NOTINHERITED, you'll see that it says Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. What it actually means is that people are not automatically notable just because they're related to someone – they can still meet GNG, even if that is all they are "known" for. C F A 💬 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has she done that is actually noteworthy? These articles are basically puff pieces. We know she plays golf and that she was invited to give a speech at an RNC convention where she says Donald Trump a normal grandfather and that she has no interest in pursuing politics. The social media stuff in the article is irrelevant puffery. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social media stuff is obviously not independent of her. But the 5 references above (and there are more in the article, I just listed the top 5) are all in-depth (not a casual mention), independent of her, and independent of each other. That's all that is needed for WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This isn't a policy-based argument. jp×g 🗯️ 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom., Iggy pop goes the weasel, Traumnovelle, and WP:NOPAGE. Sal2100 (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets GNG. See my comment above. C F A 💬 00:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do feel that those opting for redirect are really failing to see the huge differences between this AFD and the previous one in July.

1.Firstly, Trump has made a YouTube channel as of October that has already received 220,000 subscribers (and more than 50k of those in the last 24 hours), has a video with over 2 million views in two days which has significant political interest and coverage in major news outlets (and a second video with over a million views).

2. Kai Trump has more than a million followers on TikTok and 500,000 followers on Instagram, which has all changed since the last AfD where she had 100,000 followers on Instagram for example.

3. The election of 9 days ago also casts her in a different light- she is a content creator who will have significant proximity to an in-power president between the ages of 17-21, and already has a huge audience and is receiving notable coverage. Do you really think that Kai Trump is going to fade into obscurity and never again achieve notability? Deleting this article is only going to delay publication for six months or less, and she is already receiving 9,000 plus article visits per day (not that this means anything for notability purposes, but the article clearly has demand and she clearly has significant attention).

In my opinion, the previous AFD fell the right way because of the fact she was only notable for her RNC speech- by all accounts she is now achieving notability for other reasons at this point, and she will continue to do so. There are now [sources] claiming that she is Trump's most important social media ally, etc. I would expect coverage on this subject to increase dramatically in the coming months with the inauguration and as she produces more content. Let us compare with her uncle Barron Trump (as she has been compared with before), who has been deleted via AFD before: this would suggest that Barron has attained nowhere close to the notable achievements or coverage that Kai has now received, with no sections of independent notability as far as I can tell. Kai's article Passes WP:GNG. I edited her article extensively yesterday though, so I would expect some degree of bias from me in trying to keep the article retained.Spiralwidget (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a poorly-written article about a person whose accomplishments I find unimpressive. Sources obviously pass GNG. Is there a BLP issue, or some other urgent concern that makes GNG unsuitable here? Or is it just a politics thing? jp×g 🗯️ 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Not seeing any sources that are notable outside of Donald Trump, until she becomes notable by herself I can't vote keep. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump (1st choice) or back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (2nd choice). (I think the family article is better than the father's article for the same anti-patriarchal reasons I detailed in the first AFD and won't repeat here.)

In the first AFD, I thought the article subject was just shy of meeting WP:GNG, with borderline sigcov from WP:TIER3 sources like [28] [29] [30] [31], with the best source at the time IMO being ABC News, though even that one had little in-depth information about the subject, and was mostly about the RNC speech.

The 5 new sources posted above don't really move the needle for me. #1 WP:DAILYBEAST is yellow at RSP, and anyway it's an opinion piece. #2 I'm not sure that EssentiallySports is an RS. #3 is not technically not independent of the other ABC News article, and anyway is more about the subject's election night vlog than about the subject herself. #4 is a routine signing report which usually don't count as sigcov of an athlete, and #5 NYT is about the RNC speech, like the earlier ABC News article, not in depth of the subject herself. What's missing is like two solid biographies of the subject; then I'd be convinced that there is so much material about the subject that it should be on its own page.

But for now, I think everything that meets WP:DUE/WP:ASPECT in all of those sources that is actually about the subject is only enough to fill up a section in an article, e.g. Family of Donald Trump. Even if the subject meets GNG, for WP:PAGEDECIDE reasons (readers will understand the subject better in the context of her family rather than as a stand-alone article, particularly since most of her notability is derived from her family, with her golf career constituting a minority of the overall RS coverage), I think it's better to cover this topic as part of another article rather than as its own article.

Also, I note that the prior AFD resulted in consensus to redirect, and it was edit-warred back into an article, which led to this second AFD (1, 2, 3). A trout to those editors for editing against consensus. The new information should have been added to the target article, and if a stand-alone was sought, a split should have been proposed on the target article's talk page per WP:PROSPLIT. Levivich (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the distinction between "significant coverage of something a person did" and "significant coverage of the person"? I am confused by this claim. jp×g 🗯️ 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, probably easiest to show you examples, all from the same RS:

The #1 stories have some biographical information about the subjects, but they're really focused on specific events/statements/actions/etc. #2 are actual full-length biographies of the subject. You see a lot of differences in these types of stories: #1 is focused on a particular time and place, #2 spans the subject's entire lifetime. #1 includes a lot of quotes from the subject (what the subject said about the event/action/whatever), whereas #2 has much more in the BBC's own voice. (You can scroll through and just see that #2 has fewer quotation marks than #1.) #1 is usually shorter than #2, sometimes by half.

For our purposes -- writing a stand-alone biography article about a subject -- we can kinda/sorta do it with RSes like #1's, but you really need #2's to cover the subject's whole life, as opposed to just some action/event that happened during their life.

For this article subject (Kai Trump), we only have #1's, no #2's. Levivich (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above discussion. I’m against any minor child of a political person or celebrity having an article, even if they have spoken in public about their parent or grandparent. (Redacted) Bearian (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have two comments to make here on this AfD after already giving my "keep" opinion a little further up.

1. Firstly, I would be concerned that a merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump would destroy a lot of potentially important encyclopedic information in the article, such as Trump's RNC speech and her recent coverage of election night, as well as information about her name being related to her grandfather and such. The current Family of Donald Trump article has only a short section on grandchildren, and it would be difficult for me to see how a redirect/merge would fit in with the format of that article. I think that merging to "Donald Trump Jr." would be preferable, but the problem there is that Kai Trump does not actually have any significant activity directly related to her father; appearing at the RNC and her social media and golf activities all seem very unrelated to her father, especially considering the fact her parents are divorced and she actually lives with her mother. It also seems to perpetuate stereotypes relating to patriarchy to redirect to father. I therefore find a redirect or merge to be less than ideal in this circumstance.

2. Secondly, I have a real issue with Wikipedia attitudes as regards social media influencers and younger influential people as it stands. I distinctly remember having a similar argument about Niko Omilana when I first made that article. As a younger editor myself, I feel it is important to point out that these people are household names to a degree. People in my social group and my age range have almost all heard of people like Niko Omilana or Kai Trump, and she is seen from my perspective as more of an influencer with her own brand than a relative of Donald Trump- without a doubt her grandfather is a part of her brand, but it is honestly rather derisive of younger people to just expect that all of their life has a focus on their family She clearly receives significant independent coverage on her "social media brand", which I would characterise as "rich republican golf girl", such as [[32]] and [[33]]. Another example is Deji Olatunji, which currently redirects to KSI despite clearly passing GNG, partially because people underestimate the fame, influence and importance of these figures for a younger audience- again, these are the celebrities and personalities that are the most important and discussed among people below the age of 25, and they without a doubt pass GNG. I find it both patronising, astonishing and frustrating that such articles are routinely struck down by people that in my opinion have not got the finger on the pulse of the way fame and influence is being peddled, and Wikipedia itself is in danger of being left behind if it is not more forgiving to younger subjects. The information is clear, it is well-cited, and it receives coverage in multiple reliable independent sources, so what's the big fuss? The bottom line will be that when young people search online for their idols and role models and such, they will be looking at their instagram account rather than Wikipedia, and I think that is a crying shame.Spiralwidget (talk) 12:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "a crying shame," I call the entire point of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Fame and popularity are not sufficient for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It's not about her age, or profession (many influencers with huge followings are nevertheless not notable), it's about this: Wikipedia summarizes sources. For a Wikipedia biography article, the sources are other biographies. Wikipedia should never be the first place to publish someone's biography. So to vote keep on a biography, I'm looking for at least 2, preferably 3, totally independent (of each other and of the subject) full-length biographies. That's what gives us enough source material to write a Wikipedia biography article that meets NPOV. Kai Trump doesn't appear to have been the subject of any full biographies, much less two or three. (The RSes I've seen so far have some biographical information, but very little, and I wouldn't call any of them in-depth biographies.) As it so happens, there are many famous people who aren't the subject of biographies (athletes, influencers, famous people's kids); they don't qualify for Wikipedia articles IMO. And everything we have to say about Kai Trump--all the info in RSes that's WP:DUE or a significant WP:ASPECT--can be said in a paragraph or two that can be part of the family article (which could have multiple mini-biographies about various not-quite-notable members of the family). The RNC speech, for example, is one sentence, that says she gave a speech at the RNC. That's all there is to say about it. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the family of Donald Trump. It doesn't need an independent article. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Notability is not inherited. This is, at best WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per some of the keep discussion above. It clearly passes WP:GNG and this is way different from the previous deletion discussion in July with more references. Kaizenify (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The new coverage is still entirely connected to her grandfather. Notability is not inherited. I don't doubt at some point this may change, but so far it hasn't. It's WP:TOOSOON for an independent article. FYI, telling us how many followers someone has on social media is a clear sign that someone is scraping desperately at the bottom of the non-notability barrel.4meter4 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Likely TOOSOON. Playing golf isn't notable, there is coverage of a speech given, but being social media star in 2024 isn't notable alone. We've had a flood of coverage since the event, but nothing before. I'm not sure this person is notable for what they've done; outside of the Trump name, what have they done to be notable. She's a "potentially notable" influencer, so nothing notable at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: You see the name, you want to know who it is. It's as simple as that. Cyber rigger (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC) — Cyber rigger (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: If we keep it, it's logical that Barron Trump should have his own article. Lucafrehley (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's a public figure and meets Wikipedia notability requirements to have her own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.77.187 (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. We don't write about the grandchildren of Nicolas Sarkozy, Olaf Scholz, or even Vladimir Putin. --Tataral (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG per the articles focused on her by Daily Beast, Essentially Sport, ABC News, Golf Week, New York Times.XavierItzm (talk) 06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per above. Also should be even more prominent during the next four years. Her fame is global. She is covered in The Times of India for instance. Hektor (talk) 08:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India is not an unquestionably reliable source, see WP:RSP and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_447#RfC:_The_Times_of_India. In my own experience, its coverage tends towards the sensational. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources with sigcov – such as this Cut piece and especially this solid Telegraph profile published after the start of this AfD – demonstrate notability. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It would appear that Kai has done little else to gather press coverage other than be the granddaughter of the incoming President (unlike her aunt Ivanka who is notable), only thing going for her in terms of notability is the instagram posting and social media influencer career paragraph, and thats not much. Considering we have First Daughters that are far more notable than her (Malia Obama comes to mind who is in filmmaking) don't have Wikipedia pages I struggle to understand why she does. Naomi Biden's wikipedia page got deleted for this same reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unfriendnow (talk • contribs) 18:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Gelasin (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The content of this article could be shortened to a sentence or two that would fit well in the full family article. This individual's internet popularity is on the increase but right now it's WP:TOOSOON to tell if that will hold. Might warrant a standalone article eventually. SiliconRed (he/him • talk) 16:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotion barely exists nowadays and is not very relevant HeinzMaster (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep A personal judgement call about a promotion's relevance is not a proper reason for deletion. Nate • (chatter) 17:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kim Mingyo

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No indication of notability for this athlete, other than amateur collegiate titles in a non-NCAA sport. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSCRIT: A search for (secondary) sources turns up nothing providing significant coverage of the athlete. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No significant independent coverage. Has earned zero points towards a world ranking and is currently ranked 24th in her division by USATKD. College level success means nothing in the martial arts (see WP:MANOTE). Papaursa (talk) 15:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Lekkha Moun (talk) 19:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. Two are their own website and the other is some type of program listing. Tagged by others since Sept 2024. North8000 (talk) 21:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kym Illman

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This photographer does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. I've actually come across Illman's YouTube channel before, but I'm just not seeing the sourcing to establish notability. The most solid source I found is this profile from Nine.com.au. I found some other sources like this and this this that quote Illman's social media posts and cover some of the associated drama, but to me this doesn't feel like significant coverage of Illman or his work. Most other sources I came across were passing mentions or just Illman's name in photo credits. I don't think we have enough coverage to meet GNG, but I'm open to discussion with other editors. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I understand. I was browsing the Wikipedia requested articles and saw Illman’s name. As I recognised him, and as I an interested by his work, I thought I should create his page. Whilst creating I did see significantly fewer credible sources than I would have wanted to. Although I do feel like I, or others, could very likely, with some digging around the internet, add some more information to the page that covers more of his life/work, I do agree with there being a lack of sources that establish his notability and would understand if this page is deleted. ThornlessCookieReal (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your understanding. I do think notability is borderline, and I'm open to keeping the page if other editors are able to dig up some better sources. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vittorio Zoboli

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Delete - my WP:BEFORE turned up a number of listings/database type sites, but no substantial secondary sources to really establish the subject's notability with respect to WP:NMOTORSPORT in my view. The article has been without citations for a long time - I did find a reasonable primary source for the Subject's Formula 4 championship win, which I have added, but I don't think that this is sufficient for notability. That said, I would happily defer to WP:MOTORSPORTS for their more expert opinion. SunloungerFrog (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is presented in (truly) non-encyclopaedic style but Zoboli is notable. He ticks WP:NMOTORSPORT having driven full seasons of top-level F1 feeder series (Formula 3000) and has twice competed in non-championship Formula One events – even finishing 3rd at the 1993 Formula One Indoor Trophy. Sparse internet coverage on a driver whose career spanned between 1988 and 2006 hardly surprises me – more thorough coverage is likely to exist elsewhere. MSport1005 (talk) 13:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with MSport1005 that coverage here is going to be in offline in books, magazines, etc. I can see a bunch of coverage in snippet view in google books which leads me to this conclusion. In this case we should follow WP:NMOTORSPORT.4meter4 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is going to be a nitpicky point, for which apologies in advance, but WP:NMOTORSPORT #2 says "A driver or rider who has competed for at least one full season in ... a top-level feeder series to Formula One." I note, and I am going on the 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 articles, that none of his seasons were full seasons. That is, in all of them he missed at least one race. Also that WP:NMOTORSPORT #1 specifies Formula One Championship races. That said, I am content enough to go with keep, though the quality of the article is poor. The one reference I was able to find, for the F4 win, contradicted the year that was originally in the article, which doesn't give me a warm feeling that the rest of it is in good shape at all. I would try and edit myself, but I am certainly not at all well-versed in the field. SunloungerFrog (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Megan Gilkes

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Inactive racing driver with no notable success outside entry-level categories, failing WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT. Sources are routine (Formula Scout), primary (GB3 Championship, Formula One Management on behalf of F1 Academy), or dubious hobbyists (Cars Yeah, Norris McDonald's Racing Review, Motorsport Prospects). MSportWiki (talk) 23:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It looks like she meets WP:SIGCOV/WP:SPORTSBASIC with the sources currently cited in the article... Not seeing how the nominator came to the conclusion that they are making about WP:GNG. @MSportWiki Could you please provide a source analysis through a WP:SIRS template to explain your thinking? Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 Gilkes has not achieved notable results in her field, in this case motorsport. Simply looking at the career summary, Formula Ford 1600 and 1200 drivers are not notable enough for a biographical article, and her results in somewhat notable series (F1 Academy and W Series) are also not good enough to warrant an article. Regarding sources;

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
W Series profile	Y	N	Y	N	N	Primary source.
Cars Yeah	N	Y	N	Y	N	Blog post.
DriveTribe	Y	?	?	Y	N	Social media platform.
Motorsport Prospects	N	Y	N	Y	N	Blog post.
Momentum Motorsport profile	Y	N	Y	N	N	Company-sponsored profile.
Formula Scout	?	Y	Y	Y	?	Formula Scout is a common source for entry-level motorsports championships, however none of the championships she has competed in meet the WP:NMOTORSPORT table of notability.
Canadian Automobile Sport Clubs – Ontario	N	?	?	N	N	Automobile club of which the subject is a member.
Formula One Management (F1 Academy)	Y	N	Y	N	N	Primary source.
Racers - Behind the Helmet	?	Y	Y	Y	N	Somewhere between Formula Scout and a blog post.
GB3 Championship	N	N	Y	N	N	Primary source from a championship which does not meet the WP:NMOTORSPORT table of notability.
Norris McDonald's Racing Review	N	Y	N	Y	N	Blog post.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

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Delete based on excellent analysis above. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For what it's worth, Gilkes is a race winner in W Series besides FFord and GB4. She's received decent attention (even post-retirement) in Canada ([34], [35], [36], [37]), been interviewed by Feeder Series ([38], [39]) and CBC Television ([40]), and DIVE-BOMB have covered her career in detail ([41]). Her W Series win was naturally reported by several big publications ([42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48]) and while his could fall under WP:ONEEVENT, the combination of the above takes it a long way – in fact I'd say she's received much more WP:SIGCOV than her brother Nick Gilkes. While we're at it, her photo needs updating as I am pretty sure that's Max Marzorati. MSport1005 (talk) 13:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cordially suggest you re-familiarise yourself with the notability guidelines for drivers at WP:NMOTORSPORT. Gilkes receiving SIGCOV for a non-championship race win in a fourth-tier feeder series category does not make her notable. Comparisons to her brother are WP:WHATABOUTISM. MSportWiki (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
W Series had audience and coverage far beyond its place in the ladder – and the relevance of a race isn't for us to judge. If it's WP:SIGCOV, it counts as WP:SIGCOV. MSport1005 (talk) 22:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per MSports1005. Article could be improved, but there seems to be significant coverage of her, and she completed a full season of F1A and (almost) a full season of W Series. Draftifying could work until article is improved, but a full deletion seems excessive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GalacticVelocity08 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tereza Bábíčková

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT having only contested seven professional-level races in a six-month span with a best finish of 12th, includes WP:FLUFF text about schools she attended and family businesses, sources are routine with half from the same site. Even if she returns to some level of professional racing, it would be at best WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. MSport1005 (talk) 12:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Noah ^💬 20:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], [55], [56], [57], [58]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:POTENTIAL. The article already has at least one reliable source, and a Google search brings up several industry specific sources.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: TOOSOON I think. Source 2 is the only RS about this person that's an article, not just a PR item or a race result. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohawk Warrior

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This doesn't appear to meet WP:N, or have a suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Other than warriors from the Mohawk nation, there is no coverage of a monster truck. Not sure how we're supposed to evaluate sources in the article when there are none... ah the wild west early days of wikipedia. Sources, we don't need no stinkin sources (google it kids, it's a good movie). Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I see a bunch of potential sources...
Articles mentioning driver Bryce Kenny:1 2 3
Articles mentioning driver George Balhan: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
other small mentions: 1 2 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainsage (talk • contribs)

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Giacomo Milano

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WP:TOOSOON for an article on this young rugby player. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexey Zakharov

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Helene Pellicano

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Shrug02 (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets GNG thanks to coverage in major Malta sources such as [59] [60] [61] [62] (Times of Malta) and [63] (Malta Independent). Iffy★Chat -- 10:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iffy the coverage in Times of Malta is pretty solid, but they all count as 1 source only per WP:GNG ("Multiple publications from the same author or organization"). Malta Independent's ref is just a match report and is not a significant coverage of Pellicano. I'll see if I can find something more. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. Owen× ☎ 15:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Aryna Sabalenka tennis season

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Her season is still at least a few weeks away, and as of now, the article is very barebones with no real information or sources. Liam Korda 13:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify for now per WP:CRYSTALBALL, this tennis season is likely to be a notable one, but we can't possibly know for sure until the season actually begins. Iffy★Chat -- 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. Can be moved back to mainspace when first match ~~close to starting~~ underway. Procyon117 (talk) 16:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No proven evidence shown the notability of the topic. Pure WP:CRYSTALBALL stuff. Unnamelessness (talk) 11:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - as others have said, we need for the season to at least start before we can determine whether it's going to be notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dratify as above. After her first tournament we can re-add. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sara Calaway

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before search doesn't bring up much. Most searches mention her in articles only as the ex-wife of The Undertaker. Should probably be either deleted or merged to The Undertaker's page. Was also merged in 2007 after a discussion. SPF121188 ^{(talk this way)} ^{(my edits)} 17:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article uses unreliable sources, except for TheHistoryOfWWF which just hosts recaps of TV shows. Besides being Mark Calaway's ex-wife, she did make a handful of onscreen appearances with him during The Invasion storyline. It was a relatively minor role in the scheme of things, if they could not find sufficient sources in 2007 then I do not think we will have any better luck this time. Her connection to The Undertaker (onscreen and offscreen) doesn't make her notable, WP:NOTINHERITED.LM2000 (talk) 20:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this borders on BLP1E; she was involved in one WWE storyline because of her husband, but is otherwise low-profile and not the subject of substantial coverage. I have no opinion on a redirect to The Undertaker. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SIGCOV. She had some TV appearances but not enough for passing as a notable person or a WWE persona. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete my rationale is same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan. Also, delete the other similar lists created by the same user: List of NJPW male wrestlers born outside Japan, List of WWE male wrestlers born outside the United States, List of WWE female wrestlers born outside the United States, and List of world champions in WWE born outside the United States. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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