Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Europe

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General

Mediterranean Cave

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Non-notable, fails WP:GNG. Can't access the book, but the name suggests that it likely has only passing coverage. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This cave is important, as are the others linked in the Caves of Gibraltar navbox at the bottom of the article . Per the external links I just added: HM Government of Gibraltar Ministry for Heritage; and also National Geographic — Maile (talk) 23:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly didn't read that Nat Geo article, because it says that the cave being discussed is off the coast of France. The other article links it's entire content to the website here, but that is a self-published blog. Neither of these are a reliable source.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I may have found a source: [1], which was cited by another source [2]. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 09:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~That source is primary. Topic fails WP:GNG even if the book has significant coverage. Delete.~~ PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 09:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've only looked for ten minutes and I can see its notability by reference to the government, the illustrated London News, and a noted academic. There seems to be insufficient research before the nomination. Being an unreliable source isnt catching. Just because (for instance) The Times quotes a blog it doesnt then write off its long history or reputation for reliability. Victuallers (talk) 17:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You've shown up in a bunch of these, say something like this, and then don't link your sources. I'm happy to withdraw noms if I think I'm wrong, but please provide sources and don't just tell people the exist. If I could have found them, I wouldn't have nominated! I also don't appreciate the bit about insufficient research. Also, if the Times lifted all its words nearly word for word from the blog, and then published as fact, I would never quote that, because its basically just the blog. A good source can still produce sloppy journalism.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 17:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Only because there are a "bunch of these". The blog that gets quoted by the Times (say) becomes more notable. Sure mistakes happen but we AGF good sources. If the government expert websites are quoting someone then they think s/he is notable than we usually assume - and they may be right. The sources you requested are quoted in the article. Sorry if you "don't appreciate" but there are a "bunch of these". Victuallers (talk) 23:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you missed my point. Just because I can't find sources doesn't mean I didn't do enough research. It just mean that I only know so much about it. It's not shocking that someone with 165k edits has better research abilities than me, and it's not cool to assume that I didn't do a before. Just point something out without the attitude, that's all.

As a side note, those are excellent sources and I think I can get at least a B class article out of them. Changing to keep, per sources I couldn't find.

Kingsmasher678 (talk) 00:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Striking my delete. Thanks Victuallers. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 01:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I think that I am allowed to withdraw. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Meets GNG and WP:NATFEAT. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Levant Cave

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Not independently notable. Should be to be redirected or merged to Upper Rock Nature Reserve. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Gibraltar Nature Reserve (new name of Upper Rock Nature Reserve). Not prominent, less than 60 Google Search results. Zero Google News results. 12 Google Books results but none seem to be WP:SIGCOV - seems to be mere mentions once, twice, thrice. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country-specific

Albania

2024 Tirana teen stabbing

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS. Whilst tragic, it is not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. CoconutOctopus talk 18:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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why? it is informative. Lightnightx3x (talk) 18:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For something to exist on Wikipedia it has to meet the notability guidelines. Single incidents like this typically don't as they don't have long-lasting coverage in reliable sources. CoconutOctopus talk 18:20, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter. I's still a tragic event and people deserve to know what happened. Lightnightx3x (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a reason to keep it; see WP:NOTMEMORIAL. CoconutOctopus talk 12:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, many incidents like this have had limited coverage and still have a Wikipedia article. Lightnightx3x (talk) 11:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. Procyon117 (talk) 14:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is not a newspaper. I'm sorry a youngster died, but realistically in many parts of the world, a knife fight between kids with a fatality isn't noteworthy, it's just Tuesday. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 14:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep An article can't be deleted just because some people think it's an ordinary thing to happen. The topic is much deeper than that. Lightnightx3x (talk) 15:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This event has received significant coverage in Albania. The media is continuously addressing this topic. Lightnightx3x (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- I believe this article should be kept. Lightnightx3x (talk) 15:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC) [reply]
You are only supposed to !vote once. Please remove your additional "keep" bold-text. Simonm223 (talk) 16:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is also worth mentioning the reaction of the public opinion. This event has had a much broader impact than initially expected. Lightnightx3x (talk) 15:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt WP:NOTNEWS applies but this page also has some significant violations of WP:BLPCRIME - I deleted a sentence identifying a juvenile who has not stood trial as "the killer". There are additional issues with the assumption of guilt in article copy that are still problematic though less egregious. Beyond these problems there is no indication that this is anything other than a very unfortunate crime - there's nothing encyclopedically relevant about those. Simonm223 (talk) 16:45, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Whether it is a remarkable event or not, it is too early to tell. Deletion and if the event proves to be significant it can be rewritten. Why such a hurry? LefterDalaka (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is already significant. It has caused a lot of concern and has been subjected to a lot of media coverage. Lightnightx3x (talk) 11:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most crimes are non-notable even if they cause an immediate sensation. Simonm223 (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This crime has caused an immediate reaction and widespread shock, showing that it is notable Lightnightx3x (talk) 13:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also it shows that it is notable because of the media significantly covering it. Lightnightx3x (talk) 14:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it does not have sufficient notability (such things happen on a daily basis, unfortunately), and as per WP:NOTNEWS. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly. You don't see fatalities from stabbing fights in Albania every day. Every major news outlet in Albania is reporting this. I wouldn't have made this article if this would be an ordinary thing to happen. You don't see this every day. Also, I don't mean to violate WP:NOTNEWS. It was something shocking. School fights can happen every day, even with knives, but not with a fatality and such a big reaction. Lightnightx3x (talk) 12:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just an FYI - replying to every !vote at an AfD is often perceived as WP:BLUDGEONING and is frowned upon. Simonm223 (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for informing me. Sorry. Lightnightx3x (talk) 14:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lightnightx3x, I appreciate your desire to create new articles. However, you are still new here and have to go through a process of learning and getting experience. When multiple established editors say you are wrong, indeed you are. I would advise you to focus on improving existing articles first, and then as you gain experience, create new ones from scratch. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to create this article because I thought a notable event like this deserved to. Thanks for the tips and your patience. Lightnightx3x (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Andorra

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Articles for deletion

Austria

Others

Azerbaijan

Armudly

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Fails GEOLAND as there is no evidence that this place exists, let alone is legally recognised. GEOnet Names Server is not a reliable source per the RSN discussion. The location in the article is the ruined village of Mos, not Armudly.

Ineligible for prod since it was already prodded and declined by Explicit in 2021 on the grounds that it exists on sister projects, however these are clearly just copy/pastes of the EN Wikipedia article on Persian, Georgian, and Malay Wiki. Azeri wiki (the only sister project that would actually matter in this case) doesn't have a corresponding article. There is also no reliably-sourced information to merge here.

This article was mass-created by Carlossuarez46 along with many, many other failing articles. In the same 60 second period in which they created this article (01:27 19 August 2008), they created three others, and 852 articles in the same day. FOARP (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Commission on Combating Corruption

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There is no reliable sourcing in this article. One of many articles imported by Azerbaijani editors into English Wikipedia that just stenograph the propaganda of the authoritarian regime without any reliable sourcing. Thenightaway (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Just because there aren't any reliable sources on the page doesn't mean they don't exist, and isn't really an argument against notability. Per WP:BEFORE you have to check for them if you're doing an AFD. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: Some independent (mostly Western government or NGO) sources exist: [3], [4]. Not sure if those count as significant coverage, however. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are primary sources that say nothing substantive about this government program. Thenightaway (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Corruption in Azerbaijan as an ATD, and because it’s basically a fork. I’m seeing a lot of poorly sourced Azeri stubs lately - there must be dozens or hundreds - some of which are duplicated or forks. Bearian (talk) 18:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Belgium

Johnny Deley

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 11:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - lacks significant success in the sport. Not prominent - less than 60 Google Search results, zero Google Books results, then there are 13 Google News results but all 13 are mentions and not WP:SIGCOV. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is some coverage of Deley in The John Lowe Story: Inside Pro Darts with the World Champion, but this is only one source and its an autobiography so it arguably is not independent. Otherwise I couldn't find anything. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jean Bourguignon

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Suspected hoax. No information found under the name Jean Bourguignon or Jean-Jules Bourguignon. Creator did no other work beyond adding him to a list of inventors. Also likely not the first person to invent the first remote control toy car or radio alarm clock as those histories are reasonably well documented and have no mention of him. Cannot find sources for the claimed medal from the Salon des Inventeurs either. Article has been unreferenced since its creation in December 2007 and was originally tagged as such in March 2008, with the date updated in March 2011. Kazamzam (talk) 19:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete absent any sources. The English credits him with the "the first perpetual movement watch" and the Dutch with the first "solar-powered" watch. Apparent hoax. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I don't find anything in .be sources about an inventor, there's a comic illustrator [5] with the same name, but much younger... I don't see sources that would let us keep this. Unsure if it's a hoax, but it doesn't meet GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:V. The name of probably three persons comes up on Googling. This person was probably a cartoonist who “invented” Rube Goldberg machines. It’s not a hoax so much as a joke. Bearian (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Bulgaria

Others

Croatia

1993 in Croatian television

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Unsourced for years, but someone cared enough to attempt to draftify it, so a PROD nomination might be questionable.

I'm going to try to do a "bundled" AfD here in a moment, nominating different year in Croatian television. Wish me luck, and I'd appreciate your patience if I mess up. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've also nominated the following articles, for the same reason as stated in the original nomination:

1971 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1972 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1973 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1974 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1975 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1976 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1977 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1978 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1979 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1980 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1982 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1983 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1985 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1989 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
1994 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2001 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2002 in Croatian television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Just a note that 1994 in Croatian television has been redirected to a merged page due to a discussion I was unaware of. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@I dream of horses, If me moving them to draft space is the only reason to not "PROD" (simplified deletion?), should I blank redirect the others to the merged pages as User: Hey man im josh suggested? Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 21:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to decades – These have mostly already been merged into decades, because they are nearly empty, or completely empty, but the combined decades were enough for a stub. I moved them to draft space as I merged them, but User: Hey man im josh moved them back to main space because they were too old to draftify. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 21:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Industrial Metal Brain I was going to agree to withdraw my nomination if you did this, but then a power outage happened, and I then enjoyed a few hours of being off the computer. courtesy ping to Hey man im josh. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another reason to redirect instead of delete, even for the empty pages like 1994 in Croatian television, is that there's a template {{Years in TV by country}} that links to the years, for most of the other countries the individual years are enough for a page. Ireland is the only one with pages for the decades, but they're just lists of years, e.g. 1970s television in Ireland… actually 1970s in Irish television. Maybe it's worth checking other word orders for the other countries), but decade lists are probably not worth making for the others. Simplest option is to redirect the years few countries that are combined in decades. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And just to explain my hesitance to nominate these articles for a PROD deletion: PROD deletion is designed for abandoned articles, and these certainly weren't abandoned, as evidence by your draftification. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sorry, I misunderstood how draft space works. Josh explained on my talk page, before that I didn't know there are time limits on drafts. I thought moving them to draft space was the right thing to do with the scrappy stubs that are not enough for a page, for if somebody wanted to expand them years later. Redirects to the merged page seem like the right option for what I was trying to do? Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 06:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Industrial Metal Brain Right, you seem to be redirecting, so I'm wondering if Hey man im josh will note my withdrawing of the nominations? I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 08:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on Liz's reply, I think we're going to just let this one play out with the, hopefully, inevitable result of redirecting to decade articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, totally fine you didn't know, that happens. That's why I monitor draftifications, to help make people aware of it :) Hey man im josh (talk) 13:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I dream of horses, I have reverted the articles that were changed to Redirects which was improper after this AFD discussion was started. The editor can come here and argue for Redirection if that is the outcome they seek. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz Normally, I agree with your AfD decisions. I actually also agree with not redirecting a page nominated for AfD most of the time. With this specific decision, though, it appears like you're just doing procedures for procedures sake, and I have concerns that this is not in compliance with the fifth pillar. It just seems like there's a snowballs chance of Hell of any other outcome than "redirect" happening, which is why I'm offering to withdraw the nomination, something I'm normally allowed to do. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz That's what I did, above, I thought we came to the conclusion that this is what should be done? Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 20:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I redirected one before the nominator responded – there were two discussions happening at the same time in different places, one here and one on my talk page, I was following the advice from my talk page – but I left the notice above the redirect and I think I waited before doing the rest of the list. Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 21:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Industrial Metal Brain Liz sometimes takes a while to respond to messages, but they have popped up on my watchlist, so should reply to us shortly. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I dream of horses, I'm sorry, I don't see the urgency of closing this AFD early. If articles that are subject to an open AFD discussion are moved to draft space or turned into a redirect, those moves are always reverted. Most likely, participants will argue for a Redirect here and that's how the discussion will be closed. I don't believe in bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake but I also don't understand closing an open AFD early when there might be interested editors out there who want to participate in this discussion. Is 7 days of discussion such a big ask? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz It isn't so much that 7 days is a big ask; it's more that I foresee any other outcome other than "redirect to the merged articles." I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to decades articles, which Industrial Metal Brain has been working at. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to each relevant decade article as suggested. I’m wondering about how these were created, but I’m going to assume good faith. Bearian (talk) 18:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bearian They were created almost 20 years ago by someone who has since been blocked. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@I dream of horses: I wouldn't call 2015 "almost 20 years ago". jlwoodwa (talk) 05:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jlwoodwa My bad. I could've sworn there was an article made in 2006. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 06:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Czech Republic

Tereza Bábíčková

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT having only contested seven professional-level races in a six-month span with a best finish of 12th, includes WP:FLUFF text about schools she attended and family businesses, sources are routine with half from the same site. Even if she returns to some level of professional racing, it would be at best WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 23:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. MSport1005 (talk) 12:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Noah ^💬 20:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lukáš Šembera

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Non-notable sportsperson. The sources describe his accident, which left him paralyzed at the age of 16, and how he lives with the consequences, but do not document any achievements or any other reason for having an encyclopedia entry. FromCzech (talk) 13:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, there appears to be sources but many are in foreign language and failed to translate properly for assessment. Those familiar with the language may search for sources. Mekomo (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Šembera

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I did not find any good sources to verify that he meets the WP:GNG criteria. The only external link does not work. FromCzech (talk) 12:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreferenced BLP other than tables of statistics (WP:NOTDATABASE). Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. MSportWiki (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandr Sinicyn

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – All I found on Czech news media were passing mentions like 1 and 2. This might be the closest source describing Sinicyn but likewise is not written in significant detail. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Denmark

Jessica Nilsson

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The article only has one (unreliable) source. No indication of importance besides directing one feature film, as all the rest of the credits are small projects. Cutlass ^Ciera 16:06, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I've added sources. A couple of ~500 words long Swedish articles with Nilsson and her work as the main focus, a couple of Danish reviews, one Danish article about her not wanting to be connected to All About Anna anymore. Perhaps not impressive but, I think, enough. As the article states, she's created two feature films (All About Anna, Sverige er fantastisk), but perhaps equally important – based on what I've found when looking for additional sources – is her work with radio plays for national Danish Radio. The focus on movies rather than radio plays seem a bit unbalanced. /Julle (talk) 22:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per WP:HEY WP:DIRECTOR WP:GNG, so that only cleanup is now necessary, not deletion. (Thanks, Julle!) -Mushy Yank. 00:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: If available please provide any in-depth sources to bolster the case for notability. But, with the provided sources, while there are some mentions in reputable sources, they do not pass WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,

Even you are not satisfied with the coverage present on the page, she does meet WP:DIRECTOR easily. -Mushy Yank. 22:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank How? — MimsMENTOR ^talk 16:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She directed a very notable film and coverage attests of that. -Mushy Yank. 18:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - per above, there seems to be enough coverage to pass WP:GNG and an editor has worked on adding some to the article per WP:HEY, so more cleanup and improvement can happen, but AfD only concerns itself with the notability part, which seems satisfied. Raladic (talk) 22:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:GNG or WP:CREATIVE. Baqi:) (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:DIRECTOR based on the notable feature film that is also blue-linked. --Shiv989 (talk) 21:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mads Hamberg Andersen

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Not even coverage in databases that could point to how he would be notable. Geschichte (talk) 06:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Proposed deletions

Estonia

List of cinemas in Estonia

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Poorly sourced and fails WP:NLIST. The Estonian language version of this article has more entries but also poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Only three entries and one notable entry is not a list. Ajf773 (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ajf773@LibStar: has good potential to grow per e.g. etwiki list. Some references and info are also added Estopedist1 (talk) 12:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. 46 blue links (ie 46 potential entries...) on the Estonian page, that is an indication that should be noted and that is at least promising. And there is also a list dedicated to those of Tallinn only (in Estonian). Mushy Yank (talk) 19:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete Fails WP:NOTDIR and is only manageable because of the country's relatively small size. Mangoe (talk) 13:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with LibStar and Mangoe, fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIR. If it had more links and sources, then it might be passable, but it is not acceptable under it's current condition.

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Keep: Poorly sourced, yes: cleanup issue. Fails NLIST? no, meets NLIST as the topic as a set has received coverage. (Thomson, C. (2007). Estonia - Culture Smart! The Essential Guide to Customs & Culture. Kuperard. for example or Noble, J., Williams, N., Gauldie, R. (1997). Estonia, Latvia & Lithuania(Keeling): Lonely Planet, p. 147, for a start) At least a redirect and merge to Cinema of Estonia seems warranted to preserve history. The topic would seem to be perfectly encyclopaedic, though.... Mushy Yank (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
and how precisely and exactly is that list supposed to fall under NOTDIR? Mushy Yank (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears that the list topic has been discussed as a set in RS. That is all we need to prove WP:NLIST. Further, I don't think this list falls under any of the six criteria of WP:NOTDIRECTORY, and those saying it does haven't actually discussed or connected the list to any one of the six standards for making that judgement. It's not a convincing argument as the list has a clearly defined scope that is relevant to the Cinema of Estonia. It's not a simple listing because of the RS coverage, and given that Estonian language films get played pretty much only in theaters in Estonia and the small geographic area its reasonable to list theaters in a single page for topical reasons. It's therefore not a "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics" or a "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorization", or a "A resource for conducting business", or a "Genealogical entry", or an "Electronic program guides".4meter4 (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Too small for a whole article. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 15:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Cinema of Estonia until it is expanded. The references added to the article show it passes WP:NLIST in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:NLIST. Could use with some expansion though. ExRat (talk) 12:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Finland

Others

France

Qonto

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Fails WP:NCORP. Refs are routine business, PR, interviews. scope_creep^Talk 20:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. @scope_creep It would be helpful to have a WP:SIRS table analysis done per WP:ORGCRIT so we can better understand your reasoning. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went through the first two blocks of references. I'll do one tommorrow. scope_creep^Talk 21:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Invasion of France (1795) order of battle

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Contested merge, with both parties agreeing this unreferenced page isn't helpful as a standalone article. Given the uncontested argument that it serves no encyclopedic purpose, and wouldn't improve Invasion of France (1795), deletion seems the best course. I also note that it was (re)created by a now-banned account. Klbrain (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kaoli Isshiki

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. No significant coverage in any of the sources. Two of the three cited sources don't even mention the subject, and the one source that does simply lists her as one of several singers in a chamber choir (she is one of four singers in the soprano section). 4meter4 (talk) 01:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I looked as promised, don't know yet. Solo appearance at the BBC Proms is at least something. I added some external links to check out. Her repertoire seems off the beaten track, plenty contemporary, and we might want to support that. I found the ref from which most of the article was taken and reworded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
adding: the French article has 24 references. I guess that some are those I also found (now in external links). Will look closer tomorrow, but someone knowing French might be more more successful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I haven't looked at those yet, but the English article is now referenced. For me, she is notable enough, having made interesting recordings, with notable ensembles and conductors, and only favourable reviews. She is not a diva-type soprano: that should not be a reason to delete. The article serves many links to music that is not normally in focus, both Baroque as contemporary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the French sources, I need help to not misread the French:
1. [6] This Le Monde article says that she won a prize.
2. [7] This is a more detailed review of her singing (not just "outstanding").
3. [8] recital
4. [9] recording --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt I don't think this in-depth enough to meet WP:SIGCOV. The last source is selling her CD and is not independent or significant coverage. The prod-s.com website also lacks independence. The Le Monde article spends half a sentence on her, and is a smaller not all that notable prize. The main prize went to another performer, Richard Rittelman, who deservedly is the focus of that article. Only the anaclase.com source approaches significant coverage (and honestly it isn't long enough to be considered in-depth as it devotes less than a paragraph of the article to her performance). Laurent Cuniot is the main subject of that article not Isshiki. There's not enough here to pass WP:NSINGER or WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is Wikipedia only for those who win first prize? - This is a performer of several unusual recordings, and performances in Paris, Brussels, Proms, ... - Aldeburgh could be added. - Deborah Sasson was kept, but achieved less in the music world. She knew how to attract the press, however. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt This has nothing to do with the evaluating the worth of prize winners, but evaluating the quality of coverage of Kaoli Isshiki in sources. A half sentence of text is not significant coverage, and if the award were significant we would expect more coverage in independent media or academic publications. We can only build articles based on our notability guidelines which requires that we support articles with extant sources that contain significant coverage. That does mean that what journalists and academics choose to pay attention to directly impacts the types of articles we can create because we can't engage in WP:Original Research. That is both a limitation and a strength of writing on wikipedia. The fact that you have yet to locate any sources directly about Isshiki where she is the primary subject indicates that she isn't notable for wikipedia's purposes. This indicates that a journalist or an academic researcher needs to do some work before we can have an article and it is WP:TOOSOON for wikipedia to write on this person.4meter4 (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that our coverage should depend on one reviewer's or academic's personal attention or lack of that, when her contributions to music are facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then fundamentally you have missed the point of wikipedia's core policies at WP:No original research, WP:VERIFIABILITY, and WP:SIGCOV. We can't build articles largely verified to primary and non-independent sources. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Informations about concerts and recordings are facts, not original research. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:PSTS which states, Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, and to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. The issue here is that there is not enough secondary coverage of her performances and recordings to establish the notability of those performances and recordings, and to make sure the "facts" are presented in an encyclopedic and neutral manner. Building an article from primarily primary materials and sources closely connected to the subject does not match the policy language at PSTS. At this point we have found zero secondary or tertiary sources with significant coverage. That makes the topic both not notable, and any article built from the current sources in evidence a violation of PSTS policy on the no original research page. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Please educate me on my talk, not here. - Edit conflict, response only to the beginning of the comment above.) I didn't write this article, and probably would not have created it. But now it's there. I don't think we need "research" to agree that The Proms are notable, and that singing all of Monteverdi's Vespers (not just solos) is an admirable feat. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting policy language here isn't about educating you Gerda (although if it does that is a bonus). It's relevant policy language to the discussion. Providing textual evidence for an WP:AFD argument is what we are supposed to do at an AFD for the benefit of all participants. I have provided a detailed source analysis below, showing how none of the references constitute independent significant coverage as required by WP:Notability.`4meter4 (talk) 01:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liz, could you please notify relevant projects, such as Opera and Women (in Music, in Red), - Song is not relevant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Significant?	Independent?	Reliable?	Secondary?	Pass/Fail	Notes
Le Monde	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Non-notable award that receives only a half sentence of coverage in the article. The article is mainly about another person who won a different award which is notable. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Anaclase.com review	N	Y	Y	Y	N	Article is primarily a review of Laurent Cuniot and the TM ensemble at the Maison de la musique. Isshiki is only mentioned in passing, and the paragraph she is in is primarily not about her performance but about the song cycle by Jonathan Harvey. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
recital at prod-s.com	N	N	Y	N	N	The PROD-S company is the production company which produced the recital concert by Ishki. As they are a production team directly connected to the recital, and promote their events on their website this lacks both independence and significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
recording	N	N	Y	N	N	Vendor selling Isshiki's CD. Does nothing but verify a recording exists. It does not provide any information on the recording, and the website also lacks independence as it is selling a product featuring the subject. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
KAOLI ISSHIKI at ruhrtriennale.de	Y	N	Y	N	N	Artist bio at the website of Festival der Kunste which employed the singer. These bios are usually written by the subject or their paid talent management agency. Lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Ensemble William Byrd	N	N	Y	N	N	Isshiki is listed as one of four sopranos in a chamber choir on the website of the choir itself. This is either neither independent or significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
KAOLI ISSHIKI at ludusmodalis.com	Y	N	Y	N	N	Artist bio at the website of the Ludus Modalis website which employs the singer. These bios are usually written by the subject or their paid talent management agency. Lacks independence. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Review at musica-dei-donum.org	Y	Y	N	Y	N	Review from a WP:SELFPUBLISHED non-notable blog. Not a reliable source. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Philharmonie de Paris	N	N	Y	N	N	Performance archive of the Philharmonie de Paris. Verifies she performed with the orchestra in a primary source, but this is neither significant or independent. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
BBC Proms	N	N	Y	N	N	Performance archive of the BBC proms. Verifies she performed with the BBC proms in a primary source, but this is neither significant or independent. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Voce.de	N	?	N	N	N	Voce.de is a WP:SELFPUBLISHED personal website of Hans-Josef Kasper. Not reliable. May or may not be independent. No way to tell with a self-published source. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Brusseks Philharmonic	N	N	Y	N	N	Website of the Brussels Philharmonic. It's the orchestra's performance archive and is both a primary source and lacks independence from the subject as the orchestra employed her. Can be used to verify the performance but is not usable towards proving notability. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Res Musica review	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent secondary source, but Isshiki's performance is only given a half sentence of attention. It is not in-depth enough to be considered significant. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
conservatoire-orchestre.caen.fr/	N	N	Y	N	N	This is an advertisement with ticket sale pricing and links for purchasing. It is not a review, not independent, and not significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
musicweb-international.com	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent review of album on which Isshiki performs on a couple songs as a guest artist. However, her performance was not reviewed at all by the reviewer who did not mention her at all in the review. She is only listed as a performer on the couple songs to which she contributed. Without any text reviewing her work, this is not in-depth coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
French Anthologies	N	Y	Y	Y	N	This is an independent review in a reliable secondary source. However, the review of Isshiki's performance is only a half sentence long. It's not in-depth enough to constitute significant coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
www.recordsinternational.com	N	N	Y	N	N	This is the website of a record label selling one its albums. Not independent nor significant. Fails WP:SIGCOV.
Total qualifying sources					0	There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements

I am travelling, and busy with other subjects, sorry for a late reply. Thank you for diligent analysis of sources, 4meter4. My issue is that it sees every item only on its own, not in context.

Of course there are, in general, biographies around that were written by the person in question or by a publicity specialist, but in this case I see the things mentioned there (studies in Europe, award, performances, recordings) also supported by trustworthy other references. I also don't see any items in the biography (which is repeated by other sites) that I'd consider far-fetched or sensational claims.

I see a singer performing in high quality and in teams, be it ensemble or with other soloists. I like that approach. I see her performing the lesser-performed music, both old and new, and would like to showcase that instead of deleting it. As John pointed out (below), there are different ways to establish notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (music). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this Amazon listing which has her credited on all but one track. The main artist seems to be Pascal Dusapin. Then I found that her artist page at Amazon has four albums listed, one of which is under her own name. Here is another listing, from the Ensemble Vocal de Pontoise.Wikipedia:Notability (music) says our benchmarks for a standalone article on a musician include "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." Maguelone (her record label) claims to have released work by Reynaldo Hahn and André Jolivet, who are independently notable, and to have been around since 1993. Overall, (and the coverage of her prize in a major French media source counts too) I think that this artist (just) meets WP:NMG, so I think this is a (fairly weak) keep from me. John (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article lacks mention of significant coverage or critical acclaim. There is also no information provided regarding the subject's record sales, chart placements, or awards, despite claims to the contrary. Fails WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 07:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Record sales, chart placements: not relevant for classical music. Recordings are, and recordings are there. Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The SNG is tied to the notability of the record label. Albums made with an obscure small record label probably aren't notable. It's not like she recorded for a significant classical music label like Decca, Naxos, or Deutsche Gramophone which have international distribution. We don't even have an article on the label she recorded with which is telling. It looks to me like she is only active with a tiny French independent record label that doesn't appear all that notable. 4meter4 (talk) 17:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete; fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NMUSIC. I find 4meter4's source analysis convincing. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most of the sources in the Fr article are concert listings, FNAC is an online store... I don't consider any of them RS. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgia

Proposed deletion

Germany

Nicola Guglielmelli

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eva Kurowski

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO, WP:SINGER. No indication of significance.Single ref is a profile. Been on the cat:nn list for 10 years, never been updated. No coverage. scope_creep^Talk 08:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article hasn't developed since the no-consensus AfD 13 years ago, and the de.wiki one is similar. As far as I can see, the subject continues working, in duo and band with a pianist, Dirk Balthaus; I don't see indication of meeting WP:MUSICBIO. The previous AfD had the unresolved issue of whether the Das Hungertuch Künstlerpreis was sufficient to indicate notability as an author: I notice the de.wiki article on that Prize was itself deleted later in 2012. AllyD (talk) 09:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone with access to the website and/or German-language proficiency help assess these articles from Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung (WAZ): [10][11][12]? These [13][14] seem to be about her book (and an exhibit) on her relationship with her father, artist Walter Kurowski [de]. There are some other WAZ articles that are marked as "local", but I've only included the ones categorized at the city level. Bridget (talk) 01:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a lot to base notability on. It all seems to local news. The book may be notable. I see its published by Rowohlt which is an old established publisher, potentially indication of pass as WP:NAUTHOR. I don't think these add upto much. There is a couple of event listings and promo for the book. There could me here though. scope_creep^Talk 04:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Das verfluchte Jungfernloch

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I don't believe this is notable. It is mentioned as existing in folklore, which it does. However, these references don't feel notable to me. IDK, y'all help me out! Kingsmasher678 (talk) 05:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep my German isn't very good, but there's references to this cave in books on a quick Google search and caves have very low notability thresholds. "These references don't feel notable to me" is a bad deletion rationale. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me clarify that. When I did my before search, I could only find sources that resolved to one or two sources. These were fairytales form around 1850-ish. However, there wasn't coverage of the cave. It might be worth having a article on the fairytale, but the current article dosent have adequate sourcing. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angersbach

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Fails GNG; no people with the surname on Wikipedia. C F A 💬 14:38, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A redirect to Wartenberg, Hesse is an ATD. Angersbach is a geo dab in the German Wikipedia, which points to two subdivisions of municipalities. The Angersbach in Isen, Bavaria isn't mentioned in our article, but the one in Wartenberg is. Geschichte (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Wartenberg, Hesse#Geography as a valid WP:ATD. No notability as a surname. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Stahl

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Article is unsourced with the only external links leading to database-type webpages (WP:NOTDATABASE), only notability appears to be as a relation to the Schumacher family and not his own sporting achievements (therefore failing WP:NMOTORSPORT). MSportWiki (talk) 09:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The only coverage out there is of him not taking a doomed flight and every headline (I say 'every', there are like 2), is "Michael Schumacher's stepbrother flew on doomed Germanwings flight one day before crash". Altogether now, 'notability is not inherited' and there's absolutely no SIGCOV of him in his own right, thereby failing WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:20, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why has the article average daily page views of over 300 (that's over 100 000 page views in the last 365 days) and why is the article available in 10 languages? That has to come from somewhere so maybe there's coverage we don't see? Currently I tend to vote delete but not with these questions in mind. Killarnee (talk) 10:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Killarnee: It's likely because he's a relative of Michael Schumacher, a high-profile racing driver. Looking through those other languages, the majority are completely unsourced - the Spanish article has the most sources, but it links the same routine database three times. MSportWiki (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. While that sounds plausible, I still find it strange that it’s possible to achieve such a resonance solely based on kinship. At least there’s no indication that anything new will emerge, as Stahl appears to have already been inactive for a long time. Killarnee (talk) 13:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hessische Geschichten (via WP:PROD on 7 November 2024)

Greece

List of heirs to the Greek throne

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No citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Does the nominator mean that there are no citations present, or that it's impossible to find citations to support this list? pburka (talk) 16:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do we really need a list of heirs presumptive to a deposed monarchy? This is a question similar to the list for Liechtenstein. If yes, then please find at least one more secondary source to get to WP:SIGCOV, and ping me. Bearian (talk) 18:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatzichristos

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No refs on the page for many years. Searching for refs is difficult because it appears that there have been people with this word as part of their name. I don't speak Greek, I would be interested to see if others can find anything relevant. JMWt (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment well it seems it is a dance - a search brings up dancers doing it on YouTube clips so potentially sourceable, though the fact there’s no Greek article about it doesn’t bode well. Mccapra (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ervin Nagy

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Not suitable for WP:N, he is not a known pianist in Hungary, there is no article about him in Hungarian Wikipedia. His name is the same as a famous hungarian actor's, so this article just makes confusion. Also a stub, and self-promotion, his personal website included. Only sources about him are not indepedent or just databases. He has a video in YouTube, with only few thousand viewers so far. Hörgő (talk) 18:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - He's a working musician with regular teaching and composing gigs, and occasional recitals that are announced in local newspapers, but this article is clearly an attempted promotion and his career has not been noticed by reliable media. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bluebird International

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Fails WP:NOTPROMO and fails to meet WP:NCORP Amigao (talk) 16:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added some new sources to the article, from 24.hu, index.hu, hvg.hu and others, please check. I am not an experienced at editing wikipedia, please guide how to improve the article so it meets WP:NCORP nad WP:NOTPROMO. Thanks! Nosret Hocane (talk) 16:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks like a WP:PROMO. A search in google news did not yield anything significant. LibStar (talk) 01:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LibStar, what about sources added to the article since its nomination? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:34, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Hungarian so hard for me to assess. LibStar (talk) 23:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per WP:HEY. The sourcing has significantly improved, and the nominator and subsequent delete voters have not been able to provide a source analysis of the new sources. I say err on the side of caution and keep the article for now. If a Hungarian speaking editor comes in and offers a different opinion ping me.4meter4 (talk) 04:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So have you provided a source analysis to support your keep vote? LibStar (talk) 10:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I think we can keep it, it has keepable content, but is surrounded by shell of unnecessary details, wp:promo and primary sources which needs attention. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have removed the shell as I saw it. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 07:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iceland

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Band Aid (band)

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WP:NOPAGE. Band Aid is the collective name of the numerous permutations of celebrity musicians who have recorded and released different versions of the charity song Do They Know It's Christmas. Band Aid has never released any other song, just this one. Most (all?) of the information on this page is duplicated on the Do They Know It's Christmas article. All we're achieving by having two pages is to have the same thing explained twice in different ways. This article should be redirected to that page. Popcornfud (talk) 12:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The nomination appears to be based on worries about repetitive text rather than any evidence that Band Aid fails to qualify for notability requirements. The group is overwhelmingly notable. The solution to the repetitive text problem is to prune the song article so it is about the song specifically. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in the nom, it's a WP:NOPAGE issue, not notability. We can cover everything we need on a single page. Popcornfud (talk) 14:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unconvincing. That same guideline encourages separate articles if the first one gets too unwieldy. That's the problem with the song article, so it can be trimmed. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the problem with that strategy. Every single iteration of Band Aid (the band) is directly tied to each iteration of Do They Know It's Christmas. There's nothing to explain about the band that isn't also directly relevant to the song — they're essentially the same entities.

For example, the background detail — the reason why the band was put together — is also the reason the song was written and recorded. There would be barely any detail that would be uniquely relevant to one article and not the other. Popcornfud (talk) 15:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. I get that the two have an entwined history but it is a valid content overlap. There can always be a trimming down of material through the normal editing process in both articles. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nikita Hand

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Not notable, simply because she was recently mentioned in the news Nswix (talk) 01:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. WP:VICTIM applies. Guliolopez (talk) 02:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not pass WP:VICTIM and will not pass WP:INDEPTH due to lack of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE on Hand. Grahaml35 (talk) 05:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. In Googling, I cannot find anything of note other than the McGregor case.--A bit iffy (talk) 05:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Grahaml35. Coverage of Hand is limited to her connection with McGregor’s sexual assault case and the related investigations and trial. Relevant details about the crime and her involvement as a victim should be incorporated into a dedicated subsection within the "Controversies" section of the article on McGregor. Mooonswimmer 06:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage of Hand is already done and adequate in the McGregor article. Spideog (talk) 09:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 07:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in accordance with the Subjects notable only for one event policy and the WP:VICTIM policy. Spideog (talk) 09:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and WP:BLP1E. Spleodrach (talk) 09:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - article is in blatant violation of WP:VICTIM. The subsection already created on the article for Conor McGregor is sufficient. Whynotlolol (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Murphy (author)

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Notability. All that I can see reeks of promotional content or PR guff. TheLongTone (talk) 15:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Promotional, and sources don't meet WP:RS - Alison ^talk 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Clear cut. The sources in the article (and those available elsewhere) do not establish notability. Many are trivial (like the link to muckrack or a profile on a webmasters association website). And the rest are clearly associated with the subject or orgs with which the subject has an association. The text is (as a result) promotional. And asserts ZERO indication of notability (Writing a self-published book, having a degree in English, being a self-declared(?) "expert" and a "webmaster" doesn't add up to notability). The undisclosed WP:PAID overtones are also very hard to ignore. Guliolopez (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. very pomotional. Spleodrach (talk) 09:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gerald Porter

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT do not appear to be met. In general terms, the only sources I can find are directory-style entries like this (which appear to exist for every darts player that ever played in any tournament - and doesn't represent in-depth/biographical of the subject themselves). In terms of the "claims to notability" in the text (reputedly won the Irish Masters and Kent Masters in early 2000s), I can find no sources of any kind to support this. (When the article was created it seemed to be based entirely on a scan of one page of a brochure (a form of match program?) published by/for the organisers of the 2006 BDO World Darts Championship. Even if this program were still available (and it doesn't seem to be online or in any library anywhere), a directory-style entry in a single tournament program also likely wouldn't represent in-depth of significant coverage.) Note: While I'd personally like to be able to propose redirection (as WP:ATD-R), I cannot conceive of an appropriate target... Guliolopez (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darragh Moriarty

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As a city councillor, he doesn’t satisfy the notability standards at WP:POLITICIAN, nor do I see evidence of WP:SIGCOV, either from the references here, or a general internet news search, outside of his candidacy. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN and likewise, I can find no WP:SIGCOV. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - non notable local politician, fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Spleodrach (talk) 10:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Non notable city councillor, failing WP:NPOL. Can't see any viable alternative to deletion as Moriarty isn't seen as having a great chance at winning in the upcoming general election, nor is he going to become Lord Mayor any time soon (though part of the pact, Labour apparently don't get a year in the chair>?) ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: he's more notable than the average DCC member because he's involved in the Labour GE campaign on a national level, which is why I created an article for him. It's a small enough parliamentary party for that to make a difference. He's not guaranteed to win but he's not an enormous long shot either - if that's not enough then I submit serenely to your collective wisdom.Snoooooooopywaves (talk) 11:25, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NPOL and WP:SIGCOV are not met. (Local councillors are not automatically notable. And this councillor has received no more coverage than we would expect for any other campaigning/electioneering/practicing local politician. With all of the coverage (in the article and seemingly available) representing the same type of "this candidate is a candidate" and "this local councillor said something that local councillors say" type coverage that we'd expect for any such candidate/councillor.) Guliolopez (talk) 13:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hazel De Nortúin

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As a city councillor, she doesn’t satisfy the notability standards at WP:POLITICIAN, nor do I see evidence of WP:SIGCOV, either from the references here, or a general internet news search, outside of her candidacy. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 09:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non notable local politician, fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Spleodrach (talk) 10:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. De Nortúin doesn't meet WP:NPOL as a city councillor. My only possible alternative to deletion would be to draftify until after the election as she apparently stands a decent chance at holding Bríd Smith's seat in Dublin South Central, but I dunno if that quite meets WP:DRAFTREASON point three. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 10:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom or Draftify per Ser! - draftifying is a possible outcome from a deletion discussion and it would seem reasonable to not delete if, as you say, she does stand a reasonable change at being elected. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because she's a nationally prominent local politician and easily the most prominent PBP representative who isn't already a TD. She was at their manifesto launch e.g. and there's been another profile of her published in national media since the article was published. (https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/11/20/i-have-two-kids-who-are-working-in-the-civil-service-and-they-cant-afford-to-buy-a-house-candidate-told-on-doorstep/). Could tolerate draftifying if you're trying to hold the line on local reps. Snoooooooopywaves (talk) 11:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"She turned up to a party election event during an election" is not the compelling argument for notability you think it is... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify seems fair enough. She has about evens chances of holding the seat for PBP, and it saves the trouble of a fresh start next week if she does. In response to Snoooooooopywaves, coverage of a candidacy during an election doesn’t satisfy notability under WP:POLITICIAN. She is being promoted by PBP because they want to hold Smith’s seat. If she does so, we can restore the article from its draft form. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 11:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: According to WP:NPOL, elected local officials can be notable if they meet WP:GNG. The RS Noticeboard says the Irish Times and The Ditch are reliable. It's barely notable, but notable nonetheless.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but only if that's actually significant coverage. The article from The Ditch is not significant coverage of De Nortúin, instead just referring to a complaint she made about an actually notable politician in Leo Varadkar. The Irish Times coverage posted here is a routine feature on a candidate going door to door which does nothing to define notability, while the one in the article itself is about her and two other councillors criticising the lack of maternity leave pay - again, not defining notability for her. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 18:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:NPOL is not met. WP:GNG is not met. (None of the sources in the article contribute to notability - being the subject's own LinkedIn profile, an interview, trivial passing mentions and the same type of coverage which we might expect for any local politician/candidate. Of the sources more generally available, returned from a WP:BEFORE search, may include some from reliable sources (like Irish Times or RTÉ) but all of these are also either passing mentions, interviews or the same type of electioneering coverage that is applied to any and (often for "balance" reasons) all candidates in an election.) FWIW, I'd just about be "OK" with draftify as an alternative to deletion. Until after the coming election. But, in all honesty, it wouldn't be my first choice... Guliolopez (talk) 20:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The Phoenix has an entire profile[15] on her that I (or others) could use to expand the article and help meet SIGCOV. As User:DesiMoore points out, elected local officials can be notable if they meet WP:GNG. I created Hazel Chu when she was a councillor because there was SIGCOV in Irish papers on her. So whether De Nortúin becomes a TD or not shouldn't be the decider. Sources, not position, denote GNG. Derek Blighe and Philip Dwyer, for example, have never held elected official.

I'm surprised other Irish users did not check The Phoenix, which carries two profiles of a young person and older person of interest each issue, when seeking sources on De Nortúin. CeltBrowne (talk) 11:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irish Road Haulage Association

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Non-notable lobbying/representative organisation. WP:NORG and WP:SIGCOV are not met. This article was created in 2005 (by a single-purpose contributor) with short and clearly promotional text. It was expanded in 2006 (again by a single-purpose contributor) with more quasi-promotional content taken verbatim from the "about" page of the org's own website. While I've removed much of this promotional/copyvio content, I cannot find sufficient independent/reliable/verifiable sources to replace it. Or to expand this sub-stub beyond what we have. Almost all of the coverage I can find is of lobbying statements BY the association. Which includes reports like this or this or this. Being coverage of statements BY the association and not ABOUT the association. And not meeting a WP:SIRS check. In terms of coverage ABOUT the association, all I can find is stuff like this in industry outlets. Or this in local papers. None of which amounts to in-depth/significant/independent coverage. I cannot, for example, find any sources (primary or otherwise) to establish how many members the association has, or (non-primary) sources to support the text about its branches, etc. If there are insufficient independent sources to establish even basic facts (or allow for expansion beyond short text we've had for nearly 20 years) how is WP:ORGDEPTH is met? Guliolopez (talk) 15:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment/Leaning towards Keep - I would be wary/reticent to delete this article rather than expand it. Verona Murphy was President of IRHA for a significant amount of time, and holding that position helped launch her political career. When Murphy became a TD, that expanded the media's coverage of the IRHA and the role became considered a bit more notable, similar to how a trade union might become highlighted if someone associated with them gained political office.

You've raised the concern that

Almost all of the coverage I can find is of lobbying statements BY the association

however I don't know that this is anything other than what we would expect. Secondary, reliable sources such as national newspapers would only ever cover an organisation such as this when it is making statements of that nature. The same would go for a trade union or farmer's representative body. I would lean towards those reports, by very reliable sources such as the Irish Times and RTÉ News, as examples of SIGCOV. We wouldn't expect national news sources to do a simple puff piece profile of any organisation where they simply inform us of their purpose and membership number. I think reliable sources covering small trade unions, for example, would not anyways dwell on their membership numbers, but nonetheless those unions would hold some significant.

Another concern raised is that the article was likely promotional in origin, and has not been edited regularly. While both of these are unfortunate, the article starting as promotion but then being fixed is not anymore automatically disqualifying than if Coca Cola's article had first been created by someone doing promotional style writing. While's is bad practice, ultimately Coca Cola would be notable and kept as an article regards of how the article originally started. As far as the lack of regular editing goes; one can reasonably argue and point out that this is typical of less prominent Irish articles. With Ireland's small population, and small body of regular Wiki editors, it is not always the case that lack of editing reflects lack of notability.

I just want to note at this point I'm playing Devil Advocate here rather than having any significant personal interest in the article. I would be interested in seeing the perspectives of other editors on this matter. CeltBrowne (talk) 09:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. With thanks for your input (and likely coming as no surprise) I can't personally agree. That Verona Murphy was previously president of the organisation, to my mind, falls under WP:NOTINHERITED (that the organisation had a notable president doesn't make the organisation notable). That newspapers only really cover statements by the organisation (rather than the organisation itself) is exactly the type of concern covered in WP:SIRS and WP:ORGDEPTH (that the article cannot be expanded, because there are no independent/reliable sources to do so, is a core tenet of the guideline). Also, and with apologies if it wasn't clear in my nomination, that the original article was promotional (or that it was created by a possibly COI/SPA contributor) wasn't offered as part of my deletion rationale. Just as background. (I have personally "rescued" more than a few promotional (but otherwise notable) org articles as part of WP:BEFORE and AfD efforts. I do not see how that can be done here however. As there is nothing to rely upon to "rescue" this permastub. If you're aware of reliable/independent sources that can help expand it, then please do add them.) Guliolopez (talk) 13:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - well, a weak delete. There's lots of stuff out there on this industry group in a WP:BEFORE search. I didn't see anything which was a crystal clear WP:NORG pass, and it's likely our strictest guideline, so I can't vote for a keep. However, if someone wants to improve this - currently it's a stub with only one source that isn't the org's website - and can find NCORP sources, I have no problem if this is HEYed or re-written. SportingFlyer T·C 06:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terence O'Reilly

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The article does not demonstrate a notable character. And the editor User:LINCOLN2024 who moved it to the main space has been blocked for WP:SOCK, where he has a string of articles moved to the main space without being checked. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 09:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify. Personally recommend restoring to draft - reverting the unilateral action of the socking editor. And that the draft be progressed through WP:AFC before any decision is made on moving it back to the main/article namespace. I recommend this as, after a quick WP:BEFORE, there appears to be some coverage of the subject as a topic in his own right (Granted mostly obituary-style journal articles and the type of coverage we typically see for academics, but someone with more familiar with WP:NACADEMIC would ideally take a look.) Guliolopez (talk) 13:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Membership of the Irish Academy would tend to pass WP:NPROF C3, and having an obituary written in an academic journal [16] tends to suggest NPROF C1. OTOH, before the work of Guliolopez, this would have been a speedy G4. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... and the article is now a pretty clear Keep, per WP:HEY. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 20:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Due to the existence and content of the obits in Bulletin of Spanish Studies and Studies: An Irish Quarterly Review indicating notability: (Msrasnw (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC))[reply]
Keep. Along with the pass of WP:PROF#C3 through the Royal Irish Academy, and the now three published academic obituaries/remembrances used as references, we have enough reviews of his books for a pass of WP:AUTHOR. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Royal Irish Academy membership meeting WP:PROF, book reviews of multiple books meeting WP:AUTHOR, and multiple obituaries meeting GNG. Article appears to have been cleaned up and, as it was not created by the blocked user, would not fall under G5. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:ACADEMIC#3 and WP:AUTHOR are clearly met here. Shoerack (talk) 21:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the rest. Well sourced. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Public Relations & Communications Branch

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Article fails WP:GNG. Also, no WP:RS given. Nxcrypto Message 17:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - no comment on notability but the article looks like it was written by Chat GPT and is very promotional. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - AI concerns aside, it's unreferenced, no WP:SIGCOV, and an individual branch of a union isn't really WP:NOTABLE. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 18:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there's a certain amount of irony in using AI to create an article focused on journalists, trade unions, and communications. For this I rather applaud the chutzpah of the creator. But, no, agreed with nom - delete. ResonantDis_tortion 21:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The subject is a branch/arm/sub-section of the National Union of Journalists and doesn't appear to have any independent notability. Certainly I cannot find any sources to establish notability of the PR department of this union. The other issues (highlighted by the nom and self-evident in the article itself) do very little to help. Guliolopez (talk) 10:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy for it to be marked for deletion. These all seem to be legitimate enough issues to take with it. I shall take on board all comments as I develop as a contributor to Wikipedia. Hyperpolymath (talk) 16:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Specific responses to bits there, in case there needs to be fuller response:

- it was not written by ChatGPT but did ask Llama to restructure the text to meet Wikipedia requirements, then did have to write bits of it again. I just tried using zeroGPT.org to check it does show 'human origin, contributions by ChatGPT', which does reflect this. If that is not the best one or the approved one, it is worth knowing.

- citations? facts checked, but had not yet got round to adding them, I had problems fixing/formatting the 'infobox' (someone helpfully did fix that) that I came back to attend to along with citations just now for. I actually did think that for a 'new page' or 'major edit' there was a delay before going live.

- promotional sounding? I will accept the judgement of others, but the purpose was to highlight points of note, which builds the case for notability.

- the point about the branch/arm/subsection of the NUJ is legitimate [it is not actually a department but a member function that is federated into the NUJ - BUT it is dependent in status]. The reason for separating it out is because the NUJ title does not make explicit that PR and Comms practitioners are able to be admitted to membership or are through it represented and there is no other 'independent' trade union of the UK/Ireland that covers PR and Comms as a specific entity.

NOTE: This is to address above points, not to fight for to exist as an independent page/entity. I think that criticism is legitimate, the feedback is useful, and I put up no contest for its continued existence. Hyperpolymath (talk) 17:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP: TNT and WP:NOT. In 2007, you could jump right in and make mistakes like this, you didn’t know, no harm. In 2024, arguments that the creator didn’t know how to write an article or doesn’t know what we are, are untenable. Bearian (talk) 06:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I understand. Thank you for explaining, and I accept that as appropriate (I slightly disagree, but overwhelmingly it is a consensus, so I defer to you).

Given that decision, what does it mean? Am I forbidden from making further submissions - is there a strike system? Is there a remedial thing I can do to focus on this, or is it only the general documentation. And you have said 'delete it' - is that an instruction to me to do, or will you do that?

If I am still allowed to contribute, I will make my way through all the learning materials online on the site that I can find that are relevant. But please let me know - if I need to delete it (or you will), and if I am not allowed to contribute (or what my current status is)? Thank you. Hyperpolymath (talk) 11:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are absolutely still allowed to contribute, and in fact are encouraged to do so! I will post shortly on your talk page. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per the nomination, the comments, and the fact that AI generated text usually contains OR and it is hard to distinguish hallucinatory text from factual information, especially for the average WP reader.Plasticwonder (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magazines TV Screens Tour

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WP:RUNOFTHEMILL tour that fails WP:NTOUR. G11 and BLAR has been tried before. Notability-tagged for 11 years. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per above, doesn't meet WP:GNG for an article in its own right and only has a passing mention on the Union J article, so don't think a redirect is necessary. Orange sticker (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG. Here are some reviews of the tour: [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23] See also: [24], [25]. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or restore redirect to Union J. This had previously been merged. There are a couple of reviews in those sources, but the first source isn't bylined (and not a RS from the look of it); the Irish Independent is RS, SIGCOV; Oxford Mail local media not bylined; Mancunian Matters is hyper-local but has editorial oversight and is bylined; HitTheFloor is debatable, but a review nonetheless and there's an editor in place; Liverpool Echo is a WP:ROUTINE gig announcement from their sports editor (!); The Scotsman is a bylined review in an RS; the last two sources are an album review and a tour announcement in the Birmingham Mail. All in all, this is mostly routine, does have a couple decent gig reviews in RS but in the whole is not the stuff that amounts to making the TOUR notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Julie Breathnach-Banwait

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I don't believe she meets WP:AUTHOR or WP:BIO more broadly. 1 hit in google news and nothing in google books which is surprising for a writer. LibStar (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and augment. Part of the issue with the author is that it can be difficult to meet WP:AUTHOR when her working language is Irish, and that doesn't Google so well. I'll also point to her article in the Irish Language Wikipedia, which has clearly met inclusion criteria there. Yes - different wiki, different rules, but still ... - Alison ^talk 04:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Google Books actually does have quite a few hits, BTW - Alison ^talk 05:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Which of the google books hits would be WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not seeing sufficient independent RS to show that the notability criteria have been met. JMWt (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: Her works have been included in anthologies [26], and some analysis here [27] and here [28]. There's some coverage in Gaelic (?) sources if you limit it to .ie websites, but I can't tell what qualifies as a RS in that language. Oaktree b (talk) 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This also seems to be a RS [29], hosted on a WordPress site, but it's an online magazine with an editorial board and such. Oaktree b (talk) 15:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oaktree b I ran into that one as well but it turns out that she is part of the "Editorial collective" so it may not be considered independent. Then again, I can't imagine that there are many Gaelic speakers in Australia who aren't part of that collective. This is a tough one due to the minority language. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I was the one who got the article up in the first place, but I tend to agree now that more references are needed, as discussed above. As for notability, a significant problem for writers in Irish is that few reviews are available in English, though I would regard her as a poet worthy of inclusion on her own merits. If the consensus was that the article should be deleted, I would accept that, and see if I could come up with something new and improved. Colin Ryan (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep The RTE and Irish Times are reliable sources. With a bit more sleuthing, we could find a third good source for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. At one point I attempted to create a page for an author whose book An Edge of the Forest won a few significant awards in the 1960s. The page was rejected on the basis that although there was notable coverage of the book, any coverage of the author was incidental and thus failed WP:AUTHOR. In this case, applying the same rationale, I can not see that the author meets WP:AUTHOR. Spinifex&Sand (talk) 03:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per User:Colin Ryan with hopes that they can locate some independent sources, perhaps through the Irish press. Lamona (talk) 01:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Spinifex&Sand is right that when an author has only one notable work, and the coverage is of that work rather than the author, we typically have an article just on the notable work. But when there are multiple notable works, NAUTHOR#3 does actually allow notability to be inherited for an author bio, if there is coverage of their "collective body of work". After some digging I think I see two WP:NBOOK candidates:

Dánta Póca [30][31]
Ó Chréanna Eile / From Other Earths [32][33]

And two books that don't meet NBOOK but do have one review (so a second would pass NBOOK):

Ar Thóir Gach Ní [34]
Cnámha Scoilte / Split Bones [35]

I also found this profile in The Irish Scene, which suggests notability, and this interview which does not but could be useful in fleshing out the article if kept. I have a hard time getting excited about only 2 NBOOKs as a "collective body of work", but I think some would consider that sufficient. I lean keep because I think the profiles in the Irish Times, Anglo&Celtic Australia Magazine, and now The Irish Scene together squeak by for GNG. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Others

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Vittorio Zoboli

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Delete - my WP:BEFORE turned up a number of listings/database type sites, but no substantial secondary sources to really establish the subject's notability with respect to WP:NMOTORSPORT in my view. The article has been without citations for a long time - I did find a reasonable primary source for the Subject's Formula 4 championship win, which I have added, but I don't think that this is sufficient for notability. That said, I would happily defer to WP:MOTORSPORTS for their more expert opinion. SunloungerFrog (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is presented in (truly) non-encyclopaedic style but Zoboli is notable. He ticks WP:NMOTORSPORT having driven full seasons of top-level F1 feeder series (Formula 3000) and has twice competed in non-championship Formula One events – even finishing 3rd at the 1993 Formula One Indoor Trophy. Sparse internet coverage on a driver whose career spanned between 1988 and 2006 hardly surprises me – more thorough coverage is likely to exist elsewhere. MSport1005 (talk) 13:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with MSport1005 that coverage here is going to be in offline in books, magazines, etc. I can see a bunch of coverage in snippet view in google books which leads me to this conclusion. In this case we should follow WP:NMOTORSPORT.4meter4 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is going to be a nitpicky point, for which apologies in advance, but WP:NMOTORSPORT #2 says "A driver or rider who has competed for at least one full season in ... a top-level feeder series to Formula One." I note, and I am going on the 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993 articles, that none of his seasons were full seasons. That is, in all of them he missed at least one race. Also that WP:NMOTORSPORT #1 specifies Formula One Championship races. That said, I am content enough to go with keep, though the quality of the article is poor. The one reference I was able to find, for the F4 win, contradicted the year that was originally in the article, which doesn't give me a warm feeling that the rest of it is in good shape at all. I would try and edit myself, but I am certainly not at all well-versed in the field. SunloungerFrog (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Serie A broadcasters

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Notability of this topic has not changed since the last AFD 6-7 months ago. It still falls foul of WP:NOTTVGUIDE, and doesn't meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG. I would support WP:SALTing this to prevent another re-creation. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Not deemed to have standalone notability here (straight lift from itwiki which can set their own inclusion standards) and already deleted recently only to re-appear due to the page title being 'freed'. Crowsus (talk) 12:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think it's important to note that it's not a direct recreation. There was a request for speedy deletion which was denied by Asilvering saying decline WP:G4, text greatly expanded from deleted version, no longer just a list, would need new discussion. Therefore the recreation isn't due to the page title being 'freed', but rather the creator would seem to think the expansion is enough for it to be notable enough to stand currently (also see what Claudio Fernag wrote on the talk page: This page should not be speedily deleted because the article is no substantially identical to the deleted version. The article is no longer just a list of broadcasters like when it was deleted, a context has been added that gives it notability, and verifiable and reliable sources were also included. The same happened with the article List of La Liga broadcasters, which at first was just a table with a list of broadcasters. It was nominated for deletion, more information was added to give it more notability and it was finally kept). --SuperJew (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Fair enough, but to be fair I couldn't see the original version for comparison. Crowsus (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and SALT I also agree with nomination, I feel this is not the right type of material we should be having on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 17:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: but rename to "Serie A in media", "Serie A broadcasting", "Serie A on television" or similar, not opposed to Draftify until quality concerns are met. Strongly opposed to salting. The article is not in a great state and is clearly based on / inspired by the it:wiki article which is IMO in need of some editing to trim it down. Nonetheless, the notability is clearly there, and this should be the "expansion/detailed article" corresponding to the TV rights section of the Serie A article. There is repeated coverage of TV rights negotiations, impacts on viewers and commentary on current status of TV rights in the main Italian newspapers of record (e.g., 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...). There is more specialized work to analyze the landscape in niche publications / sources (which should naturally be reviewed to ensure they pass RS), such as 6, 7 (also independently published as a book, which may be better for referencing), 8, 9, 10 (appears to be a very good source, published by Taylor & Francis), 11... Research papers on this topic also exist, however I don't know if they meet our quality requirements: 12 and 13 published when Serie A TV rights were being renewed in 2005, 14, 15, 16... As well as theses (again, to check if RS is met): 17, 18. Shazback (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep am I missing something? This isn't the same article, and it seems to clearly pass WP:GNG with those Italian language articles above. We don't gatekeep if something is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also WP:NOTTVGUIDE clearly does not apply here, which is for upcoming shows on specific networks. SportingFlyer T·C 18:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They don't look like WP:SUSTAINED coverage to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources already in the article that span 20 years of coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 20:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be sufficient for WP:SUSTAINED? In 1995, half-page on page 4 of La Stampa regarding the TV rights sales of Serie A and B La Stampa 31 Oct. 1995 p.4, 2010 editorial article and analysis in La Repubblica on how TV rights sales affect the league to optimize commercial revenues La Repubblica 3 Mar. 2010 online, unknown if published... See the links above in addition... What type of sources would satisfy this aspect of the notability guideline? Shazback (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to GiantSnowman, IgnatiusofLondon, TimothyBlue, SpacedFarmer as they participated in the previous AfD. Shazback (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - article appears impressive, but is very poorly written and sourcing is inadequate to show notability of this topic. Giant Snowman 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Poor writing should be improved, not deleted. Regarding the sourcing, can you expand as two editors above have explained in detail how there is enough sourcing. --SuperJew (talk) 07:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Serie A#Television rights – No need for a fork, as decided in similar AfD in the past. If there is relevant content, simply add it to this section. Svartner (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although the article can be improved, it is notable enough as shown by editors above and shouldn't be deleted. Summarising and merging is a possible alternative, though it seems to me that there is enough content for a standalone page. --SuperJew (talk) 07:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giacomo Milano

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WP:TOOSOON for an article on this young rugby player. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 07:13, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrea Micheletti (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:SPORTBASIC #5, I can't find anything even close to acceptable in WP:RS Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rakibul Hasan

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Fails to meet significant coverage criteria. I PRODed this article but then discovered it had already been done in the past so am now AFDing it. Shrug02 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:GNG; WP:SPORTSBASIC no WP:SIGCOV, listings/routine fixtures only. What little MSM coverage there is comprises match stats and short bios listing teams/fixtures. Confusingly, there's also a Rakibul Hasan (cricketer, born 2002) out there who is no more notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Davide Lombardi

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A draft that was moved into mainspace. It's mostly sourced with press releases. A WP:BEFORE search failed. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV (barely). There definitely needs to be some serious pruning of bad promotional sources and writing, reformatting of the article, editing for encyclopedic tone, etc. However, there are four articles among the references which are independent significant coverage about Davide Lombardi; three of which are in the LightSoundJournal, which is a professional publication for light and audio engineers, and one of which is from an Italian media source. He works as a sound engineer for notable artists, so I am leaning on the keep side.4meter4 (talk) 03:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 That's a valid point; however, a reminder to anyone else reading this that Lombardi doesn't inherit notability from the people he works with. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His notability comes through his work within his business. From the references you can see he is one of the most successful people in his own business, hence the amount of interviews and big Artists names that employ him for major projects, similar to most articles with notable knowledge, but yet not in the mainstream of press like TV stars. if that makes sense? Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 09:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 Getting interviewed and working with big stars don't mean you qualify for a Wikipedia article (or, to speak Wikipedian, whether or not you're "notable). Of course, whether or not you qualify is separate from whether or not you're doing important work. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the point. The idea is to make notable to the mainstream, who is already notable, but doing a different job from music/movie stars or similars. I agree working with big Artists doesn't mean to qualify for a Wikipedia article, but simply proves his knowledge and notable position within business. There are many articles that are in similar position (studio/live sound engineers, producers, musicians). As example, looking at Antony King sound engineer Wikipedia article, who has similar (and probably less) references from the same independent coverage. This is good to expand knowledge of live sound engineering, as people like me that loves concerts and understands basics about audio, appreciates and follows what some of these people are capable to create amazing live events for us all. thank you for the discussion. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 I've gone ahead and nominated the Antony King article for deletion as well; as I said in the nomination, at the very least, the article may need to be shortened significantly, and at most, deleted.

This is why people are advised to not point out that other articles exist; the "other articles" they end up pointing out usually aren't that great, either. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete They are all interviews - and in trade media, at that. The other sources are blogs or references to events where the subject has worked. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:36, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. it is good to point out that as well as interviews, there are dedicated articles to Davide Lombardi and they are all from independent significant coverage Worldwide, USA, UK, Germany Italy to name the most relevant ones. We can see on Wikipedia similar subjects with less references from similar sources. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 09:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Probably worth to mention his notoriety is acclaimed by being an international award winner from ProsoundNews, while also nominated twice from TPi Awards from TPiMagazine, by MondialeMedia. They are both two of the most prestigious international prizes in audio engineering. Fabrizio Di Ninni 1982 (talk) 10:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change

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Fails WP:NCORP. No in-depth significant coverage of the organization. C F A 💬 20:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I am the head communication office at the Euro-Mediterranean Center on Climate Change (CMCC). The Center is an international research center that collaborates in many international projects and initiatives, such as

-- the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that have selected us as the Focal point for Italy

-- the European Environment Agency for which we coordinate the European Topic Centre on Climate Change Aaptation and LULUCF (ETC CA)

-- we provide climate predictions and forecasts for Copernicus Climate Services and for Copernicus Marine Service

-- we have research collaborations with leading research centers around the world, the latest one is with Princeton University High Meadows Environmental Institute

We will add this information, other international relevant activities, and related sources to the page. I hope this is enough to maintain the article on Wikipedia. Buonocoremauro (talk) 10:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Buonocoremauro. Thanks for that info. Please take a look at the message to you and User:Manusantagata79 I am about to leave on the talk page of the article about some guidelines English Wikipedia has about Wikipedia:Conflict of interest which might seem strange to academics or might be different on Italian Wikipedia. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Although I would not be able to cite all the content I have added a couple of cites and should be able to find more if needed to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 07:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources you added help with WP:NCORP notability. C F A 💬 15:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK I have now added ^[1]

I don’t speak Italian but hopefully someone from the Italy project can take a look Chidgk1 (talk) 16:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me, but that's one source. We'll need more than one to show notability. C F A 💬 16:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Il meglio della scienza del clima è al Cmcc". la Repubblica (in Italian). 2023-05-06. Retrieved 2024-11-11.

Weak keep I’m seeing a large number of climate science books and journal articles citing data/research generated by the CMCC internationally in examining EBSCOE, JSTOR, google books etc. There a lot of passing mentions of the organization in that kind of literature. While technically not enough to meet WP:NCORP this is a case where I think the topic is encyclopedic based on its broad scholarly impact along the reasoning at WP:NACADEMIC. Lastly, it’s possible there are foreign language sources not easily found in searching in English as this organization does research globally. I grant you that this is not the strongest argument, but international scope is covered in our WP:SNG at WP:NONPROFIT. I'm not really seeing any benefit in deleting an article on a government funded/founded climate research organization attached to multiple Italian universities.4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NONPROFIT says Organizations are usually notable if ... The scope of their activities is national or international in scale. and The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization., but if this is an IAR keep I'm not going to debate it. C F A 💬 00:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Latvia

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Moldova

Alexandru Tofan

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Delete - I have not been able to find (WP:BEFORE) independent sources of any kind to establish or support the notability of this soccer player with regard to WP:SPORTBASIC. There are plenty of database sources, but I understand that this is not sufficient to establish notability. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - insufficient coverage exists to meet guidelines including WP:A and WP:V. C 679 06:01, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Montenegro

2024–25 Montenegrin Women's League

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Contested draftification. Entirely unsourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turned up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Isolated editions of women's competitions rarely have WP:GNG on their own. Svartner (talk) 23:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per Svartner. The level of women's football is low, resulting in significant coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Netherlands

Jeffrey Sparidaans

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Could find no sources. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - a great deal of coverage in Dutch-language media (Omroep Brabant, Brabants Dagblad, Eindhovens Dagblad, Algemeen Dagblad). Additionally, coverage available in darts media sources (Darts News, Darts King and Darts Actueel) signifying he's a notable figure in darts. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 16:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Groen

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 13:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Gets a brief mention in Chaplin's book Darts: Skills - Tactics - Techniques, but not enough to count toward WP:SIGCOV. Otherwise I couldn't find any independent WP:RS. There is a lot more coverage of a politician named Sven Groen, but that is a different person. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 17:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fleas and Lice

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Non-notable band. They have one CD on a possibly marginally notable label, but that's it. The previous AfD was from 2006 and it does not disappoint--"keep" votes range from "they toured intensely", sourced to the now-defunct band web site, to "I have heard of them and I'm not a crust punk fan do they must be notable". There is no secondary sourcing in the article and I didn't find any either using Google News--a regular Google search provides nothing but the usual hits for bands: primary material, Discogs, Reddit. Drmies (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is, of course, coverage in their city's newspaper, Nieuwsblad van het Noorden ([36], [37]), and there are mentions in 3voor12, for example ([38], [39]). But I wasn't able to find enough coverage to establish notability. toweli (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As found by the previous voter, the band has some hometown announcements and basic interviews, but they have little historical or critical coverage with which to build an encyclopedic article. And by the way, every working band goes on tour but that's not notable unless the reliable music media reports on it. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lords and margraves of Bergen op Zoom

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Uncited article on an unnotable office. -Samoht27 (talk) 00:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Bergen op Zoom#History (provided it is properly sourced). That article mentions the margravate. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge indeed. Title abolished in 1795 is a fascinating footnote and barely more. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the article is too large to merge into the Bergen op Zoom history section, the result would be too unbalanced. I have provided three references. Bergen op Zoom is very proud of its history as margraviate. The palace of the margraves is a wonderful museum. The article on the list of Lords and Margraves is very interesting and useful.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Neither article is even remotely large. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:49, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Size is a relative concept. The history section in the Bergen op Zoom article is four paragraphs, 320 words. Very short. The Lords and margraves article is 200 words. Large, relative to the short history section. Merge the two and the result is unbalanced, in my opinion. That´s all. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Given there is a museum dedicated to the margraves at Bergen op Zoom, it is a historically notable topic.4meter4 (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I presume there was no effort made to establish the nature of the 'musuem dedicated to the margraves at Bergen op Zoom'. It is the Markiezenhof, the oldest city palace in the Netherlands and it is not 'dedicated to the margraves'. And its existence and purpose doesn't make the list of lords and margraves of that place any more notable, properly referenced, germane or necessary. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Markiezenhof is not exactly a museum about the margraves, it is a museum named after the margraves. Still, the three Stijlkamers, three rooms of the permanent exhibit, are dedicated to Margrave Maria Henriette de la Tour d´Auvergne. So, a part of the museum is dedicated to the margraves, in particular to one of them. Anyway, I have added one more reference, a 170 page book specifically about the Lords and margraves, to further strengthen my case that the topic deserves a standalone article. Best, Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - European noble titles / families are notable when adequately sourced, and this one is. It's a bit too large to merge comfortably to the Bergen op Zoom article. Ingratis (talk) 07:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Feel that reasons stated by keep voters above are just so. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Malaysia, The Hague

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Based on primary sources. A google news search only yields the primary source of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Malaysia. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 22:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Malaysia–Netherlands relations#Diplomacy per WP:ATD. The Embassy would reasonably be covered in that article.4meter4 (talk) 03:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge as above, the usual solution for articles on non-notable embassies. Mangoe (talk) 03:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North Macedonia

List of terrorist incidents in North Macedonia

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The whole article is originally researched and violates MOS:TERRORIST. The sources are not conclusive about whether any of these events can be designated as "terrorist". StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no originally research here nor MOS:TERRORIST violation. In fact, there are no resources in this article and barely any explanation besides "North Macedonia is a landlocked country in Southeast Europe. It shares land borders with Kosovo to the northwest, Serbia to the north, Bulgaria to the east, Greece to the south, and Albania to the west. Below is an incomplete list of terrorist incidents that occurred in North Macedonia" and a list of Wikipedia topics of attacks and conflicts. IdanST (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the originally researched part. There are no reliable sources that classify these incidents as "terrorist". StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All sources are listed in their respective Wikipedia articles, and from an initial review and checking some, they appear to be reliable. IdanST (talk) 10:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have edited those articles. Articles themselves are not considered reliable. List articles are also subject to WP:V, so citing sources is required on such articles too.

Even if we go by the articles, we'll see that on its respective article, the 2001 insurgency is not classified as a terrorist incident. Neither are the Vejce massacre, Kondovo crisis and the 2014 government attack (unresolved case), nor have I encountered sources who classify them as such. The attack at Gošince has been classified as such by the government but the case is unresolved. The Smilkovci Lake killings have also been classified as such by the government and some experts (before the convictions), and there were also terrorism convictions. The Kumanovo clashes have also been classified as such by the government and there were terrorism convictions. All three occurred when there were ethnic tensions and a political crisis, so their status is controversial. StephenMacky1 (talk) 13:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it's WP:V violation. I've added RS to all listed attacks. However, I don't know how 2001 insurgency in Macedonia is related to this list. IdanST (talk) 14:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Norway

Others

Karl & Co (via WP:PROD on 25 October 2024)

Poland

Pokrzywnica-Kolonia

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This article was created by now long-inactive Kotbot, there is no equivalent article in the Polish wikipedia, and no reference can be found in TERYT (https://eteryt.stat.gov.pl/eTeryt/rejestr_teryt/udostepnianie_danych/baza_teryt/uzytkownicy_indywidualni/wyszukiwanie/wyszukiwanie.aspx?contrast=default) Kiwipete (talk) 07:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following articles for the same reasons:

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Delete all This appears to be a duplication of Gmina Pokrzywnica under another name? Kolonia Osieck is not a place, although Gmina Osieck is an administrative district, which happens to contain a Kolonia Pogorzel. I'm not up on Poland or indeed Polish, but on that basis alone, getting rid of all of this dubious cruft seems to be a good thing, per WP:TNT. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agata Rosłońska

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Non-notable figure skater; fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete' – I think we're facing the same issue as Michał Tomaszewski AfD months ago. From what I can see based on my Google search ("Agata Rosłońska łyżwiarka figurowa"), news media only refer to her as part of the figure skating duo with Tomaszewski; nothing in-depth about the woman herself. Corresponding article on Polish Wikipedia likewise does not have significant coverage in secondary sources. No news have been released on Tomaszewski over 20 years either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki

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Contested draftification. Not very well sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search returns little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would probably draftify, since it's only two months away from the first event. Should be enough time to wait for more stuff about it until then. After or just before the first event it can probably be moved back to mainspace. Procyon117 (talk) 15:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Procyon117 For the record, I'm totally for this. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 20:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify is my vote also, there will be more content and references soonish. Ticelon (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per above. Suggest not moving this to mainspace until after the first event of 2025. 4meter4 (talk) 01:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify until covered more properly in reliable sources, as 4meter4 said, we can we until after the first event at least. starship.paint (talk / cont) 11:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wileńska street (Bydgoszcz)

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No reason this street is notable, only coverage is routine sources. Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. It would help if a Polish speaker were to go through the sources in detail and explain what they are. While I see some that look routine, others look plausible, and I'm seeing no pressing need to delete this article. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wondering if @Piotrus might have a moment to provide some insight, or if they know someone else who does. They're the main Polish speaker I know of, but happy for anyone's input. Star Mississippi 00:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi I am suprised this has no pl wiki article. It's creator, @Wikibenchris, is fluent in English, and I expect they should provide the answers we need. I am concerned about OR in this article (ex. the claim of earliest mention is sourced to a 1876 map...). GNG is an issue, the only SIGCOV I was able to locate is this article on a local Polish portal [40]. The article would be fine except OR and GNG issues... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your time @Piotrus. @Wikibenchris unfortunately hasn't edited since before the AfD but I'd see no issue with providing the text should this close as delete and they return to editing and request it to improve. (Not saying it should be deleted, I cannot read any of the sourcing to fairly assess it) Star Mississippi 14:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it looks like a lot of work has gone into this, and if any (out of policy) OR could be pruned out, it could be a valuable article. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi Side-note: machine translation is very good these days and one click away in most browsers... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment is there a possible merge or redirect target for this under WP:ATD? Seems a shame to lose some of this content.4meter4 (talk) 03:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: is there really nowhere we can transwiki something like this? Seems to me to obviously not be a Wikipedia article as such, but isn't there somewhere it can go? -- asilvering (talk) 21:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I'm just going to say keep because nobody wants to delete this who is commenting here. It may be an WP:IAR vote, but having it is better than losing it.4meter4 (talk) 00:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Unless someone wants to write an individual article for each of the listed buildings along it, which are all notable in their own right per WP:GEOFEAT, we should desist from deleting information. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Others

Please also see here

Portugal

Action of 23 March 1654

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This article was tagged as a hoax. I'm fairly certain it is, along with Action of 2 May 1654, but since the article has existed for nearly 20 years at this point I figured it made sense to give it a fighting chance.

The 2 May 1654 article cites this JSTOR article. I couldn't find reference to events on 23 March or 2 May 1654 in that article, nor could I find evidence of these events elsewhere on the web besides Wikipedia mirrors.

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Action of 16 April 1695, where a similar conclusion was drawn. Sam Walton (talk) 21:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Dutch-Portuguese War#Incursion into the East Indies: Batavia challenges Goa. The cited JSTOR article describes in great detail the Van Goens mission to Colombo and Goa in 1653 and 1654. Page 94 reads: "The galleons had reached Colombo towards the end of March 1654 and, as Van Goens had feared, after a splintering engagement outside the Colombo harbour entrance, they had broken through". This description fits the Action of 23 March 1654 exactly: place, date, situation, context, number of ships, result. The article is certainly not a hoax; the battle indeed took place and I am sure that a more thorough investigation could reveal the source that the author of this article evidently must have used. Having said that, it is clear to me that the title of the article is wrong. For lack of a commonly accepted name for the battle, a descriptive name was employed: Action of 23 March 1654. The battle is not known and described under that name. Many articles titled "Action of (date)" have the same problem. No battle is known by such a name. A google or jstor search will not produce any result. What to do? There is a notability guideline that helps out. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide in the section Events says: Where an event does not have a specific name that has been accepted by reliable sources, it is more likely that it should be covered in an existing article about a higher-level operation, rather than in a stand-alone article. Hence, I propose to merge both the Action of 23 March 1654 and the Action of 2 May 1654 in the article about the Dutch-Portuguese War. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ruud Buitelaar Ah - well spotted. I had assumed that because the article was named so specifically, an event on 23 March would have been specifically dated in the source, I skimmed the relevant sections but missed the quote you added. I think merging makes sense to me since the actions described here did actually happen. Sam Walton (talk) 08:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I did a search after looking at the CSD tagging and I couldn't find any coverage in reliable sources that suggested this event took place. I was about to PROD the page since it isn't an obvious or blatant hoax, but no coverage either way. Fathoms Below (talk) 21:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as the one who posted the initial CSD tag. No results turn up in Google Books or Google Scholar despite apparently being a battle from a major war, making it very likely a fabrication. Lazman321 (talk) 21:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unsourced and fails verification. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Dutch-Portuguese War#Incursion into the East Indies: Batavia challenges Goa per above. I'm not sure why you'd vote delete when a merge has been proposed with a valid target and rationale and been accepted as a solution by the nominator! Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexandermcnabb The comment order is confusing, the merge vote came after the delete votes :) Sam Walton (talk) 14:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that, then checked. Of course, what I missed was the am and pm bits. Sort of important, wouldntcha think? Boing... idiot... All deleters duly forgiven, apologies and comely blushes all round. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magazines TV Screens Tour

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WP:RUNOFTHEMILL tour that fails WP:NTOUR. G11 and BLAR has been tried before. Notability-tagged for 11 years. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per above, doesn't meet WP:GNG for an article in its own right and only has a passing mention on the Union J article, so don't think a redirect is necessary. Orange sticker (talk) 09:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG. Here are some reviews of the tour: [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47] See also: [48], [49]. Best.4meter4 (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or restore redirect to Union J. This had previously been merged. There are a couple of reviews in those sources, but the first source isn't bylined (and not a RS from the look of it); the Irish Independent is RS, SIGCOV; Oxford Mail local media not bylined; Mancunian Matters is hyper-local but has editorial oversight and is bylined; HitTheFloor is debatable, but a review nonetheless and there's an editor in place; Liverpool Echo is a WP:ROUTINE gig announcement from their sports editor (!); The Scotsman is a bylined review in an RS; the last two sources are an album review and a tour announcement in the Birmingham Mail. All in all, this is mostly routine, does have a couple decent gig reviews in RS but in the whole is not the stuff that amounts to making the TOUR notable. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 07:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gaita-de-fole coimbrã

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Completely unsourced article, and I cannot find any good sources on the instrument. All I can find are youtube videos, some facebook posts, a few forum posts, and one website called "folkworld.eu" (link:http://www.folkworld.eu/68/e/wkpf.html). Gaismagorm (talk) 14:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per total lack of WP:V. Svartner (talk) 04:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of WP:SIGCOV. I wouldn’t go so far as to say we can’t verify its existence, but it is so obscure that there’s nothing we can use to confirm notability. Bearian (talk) 03:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Romania

Marius Curteanu

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I did my very best but I cannot find substantive coverage in independent sources. Fails wp:gng Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 22:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I looked too. The article's claims do not seem backed up by reliable sources, and without sources it's unclear whether some of these are things done by him, or his students. Also the few references there are don't exactly back up the claims, like the Wikipedia article says he won the 1989 Baltic Games, but the reference says he placed sixth. --Here2rewrite (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dan Lupu

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Delete as not notable - my WP:BEFORE turned up no decent sources to establish or support WP:NACTOR - the article as it stands makes some claims about acting awards, but I couldn't confirm these, and in any case the awards do not seem notable enough in their own right. The only substantial webpages about the subject that I found were https://www.cinemagia.ro/actori/dan-lupu-41852/ and https://www.filmneweurope.com/news/romania-news/item/108375-fne-europa-distribution-distributor-of-the-month-dan-lupu-transilvania-film but neither gave me any sense that there might be extant references that could be used to support notability. That said, it is possible that there are better sources in Romanian that I did not find, and if that is the case I would happily rescind my nomination. Finally, I note that the article has remained unreferenced since its creation, and there is no corresponding page on rowiki, which I might have expected if the subject were notable. SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Non notable BLP has existed on Wikipedia for 17 years without any sourcing whatsoever. — Maile (talk) 03:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Clearly non-notable, no mention on Newspapers.com either. Nice point about checking Romanian Wiki too. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Ukrainian flag officers losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War

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Per WP:NLIST, in order for a standalone list to be notable the list must itself be a topic covered in reliable sources: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; and other guidelines on appropriate stand-alone lists." In contrast to the list of Russian generals killed, there is not discussion of Ukrainian 'flag officer' deaths as a set. Since there are no reliable sources that discuss ukrainian 'flag officer lossses' as a set, this list article does not meet the notablity guidelines. This is in contrast to Russian generals killed during the invasion of Ukraine--they are discussed as a set in reliable sources. To take another example, reliable sources discuss 'non water floods' as a set^[1]^[2] and therefore this group or set satisfies the notability requirements for a list article: List of non-water floods. There is no reliable source in the article under discussion for deletion here that discusses Ukrainian 'flag losses' as a set. List notability can be tricky to understand, but the key is that the set must be discussed in reliable sources as a set. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no problem with the list. The article name does not mention killed, it clearly says losses (not nesesary killed). The profile of those losses are top-tier Ukrainian Flag officers or Generals/Admirals, for example Hayduk was the Admiral of the Ukrainian Navy, Kutsyn was the Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Army and Koval was the Ministry of Defense. It's unusual hence the list.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think flag officers are significant enough for their own list. There has been some discussion of losses eg [50] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: List is predicated on a notable topic with entries supported by reliable sources, even if there are no sources covering the topic matter as a whole "set". --Katangais (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Zakharov (footballer, born 2000)

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Fails WP:GNG (WP:NBASIC).--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV/WP:SPORTSBASIC. I found coverage on a Russian scientist and a Russian television personality/broadcaster of the same name. Admittedly I am not a Russian speaker so my BEFORE may not have turned up something pertinent to notability on this particular Dmitri Zakharov. If something changes, ping me. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – if someone shows interest in improving. I'm not opposed to deleting it. Svartner (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge into Women in the military#Russia‎

Natalie Tychmini

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Does not meet WP:GNG Knowledgegatherer23 (Say Hello) 23:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Some brief mentions in various websites, but they all seem to have about the same level of coverage here, woman fought as a man, was found out and went home. Without much more, this isn't what we are looking for, notability-wise. Oaktree b (talk) 02:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge to Women_in_the_military#Russia, where some other WWI examples are mentioned. Or create a new List of women serving in the military disguised as men, perhaps including fictional (ballads etc) as well as real examples. PamD 08:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Women in the military#Russia: Though received a tangible award of Cross of St. George for fighting,but not enough significant sources Kaizenify (talk) 04:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Lysyshyn

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Marked for notability concerns since 2013. A search for sources found only 1 google news hit, and 1 line mentions in google books. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 22:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete it’s a poorly designed resume, not an article. Bearian (talk) 06:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of ambassadors of Canada to Russia per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Americanoid

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Delete or possibly merge with Okunev culture. The first paragraph is about a "discounted" theory which probably doesn't deserve its own article. The second also is not deserving of its own article and can be merged if it isn't already in the Okunev article (I only skimmed it). PersusjCP (talk) 04:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Based on searches this was a theory regarding Siberian and other northern ancient peoples that was promulgated in the early 20th century, specifically by Russian anthropologists. As it is no longer an accepted designation, a few sentences in an article for the subsequent theory should suffice. I did find one article that criticized the term and attributed it specifically to Russian racism, but that perhaps could be a marker of scientific enmity and distrust of Russian science. Lamona (talk) 23:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and reformat as a WP:Disambiguation page and merge appropriate content Vladimir Jochelson per WP:ATD. Given that there are two verifiable definitions being used, one linking to Vladimir Jochelson and the other Ancient North Eurasian/Okunev culture, this is a reasonable navigational page.4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Okunev culture. There's no need for a merge as the subject is already covered sufficiently there. No need for a DAB page. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 10:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Slovakia

Peter Fieber (footballer, born 1989)

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According to Soccerway, he only played 19 matches at professional level before moving to lower leagues then disappeared. The sources provided are either passing mentions and transfer announcements. Being the son of a former footballer, notability is not inherited from relatives. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No significant coverage on this player. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Schlossár

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Another long-time stub of a Slovak men's footballer named Martin without evidence of meeting WP:GNG. He spends most of his career in lower leagues and only played seven minutes in one match at a professional level so far. Regarding secondary sources, I only found SME where he is just mentioned in match result. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivan Rijavec

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Marked for notability concerns since last year. Created by a single purpose editor. Limited google news hits, 2 of them being non-independent architecture press. 1 line mentions in google books. Fails WP:ARCHITECT. LibStar (talk) 05:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the offline sources already cited in the article. A WP:BEFORE shows there are tons of sources in google books, and a basic google search yielded articles like [51], [52], etc. Google scholar also had a biographical entry in an encyclopedia of Australian Architecture which you can accesss: http://hdl.handle.net/10536/DRO/DU:30041742 Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please tone it down a notch. LibStar (talk) 06:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of getting along, I redacted the comment that bothered you. I thought you might prefer that instead of striking it. Best.4meter4 (talk) 08:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not bolding a vote because there's two options here, as the vote is really "not this article as it is" - it's written very promotionally and in a completely non-encyclopedic tone. I'd either delete on WP:TNT grounds explicitly allowing re-creation, or completely strip the article down to nothing if it is kept. A WP:BEFORE search shows he is likely notable. SportingFlyer T·C 08:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in the current form and rewrite on basis of WP:TNT because WP:BEFORE clearly proves notability.--A09|(talk) 16:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. Keep per reverse HEY --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC) An acceptable stub should be[reply]

Ivan Rijavec (born 1951)^[3] is a Slovenia born Australian architect. He studied at the Western Australian Institute of Technology in Perth.^[4] Rijavec was selected to be member of the team of Creative Directors for 2010 Venice Biennale of Architecture.^[5]

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^ Hayes, Jamie (5 July 2024). [Fromhttps://www.msn.com/en-ie/foodanddrink/other/from-chocolate-to-butter-the-world-s-worst-non-water-floods/ss-BB1l3Evm?ocid=staticfallback Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods "From Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods"]. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ Kernan, Sean (2022-08-17). "The Worst Non-Water Flood Disaster in History". Medium. Retrieved 2024-11-24.
^ "Ivan RIJAVEC". Art Gallery of Western Australia. Retrieved 22 November 2024.
^ Lozanovska, Mirjana (1 January 2011). "Rijavec, Ivan". The encyclopedia of Australian architecture. Deakin University. Retrieved 22 November 2024.
^ "Creative Directors for 2010 Venice Architecture Biennale announced". Australian Design Review / News. web.archive.org. 3 February 2010.

I don't see that https://thefifthestate.com.au/articles/ivan-rijavec-in-bespoke-resi-offer-to-urban-greys-gay-greys-and-more/ or https://www.theage.com.au/national/daring-architect-eyes-acland-street-20031101-gdwnnk.html tell us anything about the architect. Reads like churnalism. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WomenArtistUpdates I stubified it with the text you provided per WP:BOLD. Would you consider changing your vote based on this change?4meter4 (talk) 05:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think people arguing for WP:TNT want the article history removed as well. LibStar (talk) 06:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really care about the history, to be honest. SportingFlyer T·C 08:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Most of the delete votes have been WP:TNT and acknowledged this topic is notable. Now that the article is stubified and the objectionable material removed, I think the spirit of those concerns have been addressed. Per WP:PRESERVE policy indicates leaving article history is a preferable whenever possible. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRESERVE is a shortcut to WP:Editing policy#Try to fix problems (permanent link), but "history" is not mentioned anywhere on that page. Flatscan (talk) 05:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I changed my !vote (above). Thank you 4meter4 for your bold move :) SportingFlyer LibStar I don't have strong feelings one way or the other regarding page history. (It would be interesting if someone could figure out the whole "cheese-grater" controversy, but I reckon it is a bit too local.) --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per "reverse HEY." In architecture as well as in an encyclopedia, sometimes less is more. Bearian (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Spain

2018 Supercopa de Catalunya

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I appreciate this article has only recently been created and had to go through the AfC process to do so, but there is simply no need for standalone articles on these matches. The Supercopa de Catalunya was a novelty trophy created by the Catalan Federation so they could expand the existing Copa de Catalunya to more clubs but still wanted to have a guaranteed match between Barcelona and Espanyol (probably not anticipating the latter's decline and the rise of Girona in the region). So the tournament itself is notable, but clearly wasnt taken very seriously as demonstrated by the attendance being about 10k each time when Barcelona have 70k season tickets. The tournament then seemed to die altogether due to COVID and has not been played since. The 2 paragraphs of information in this article (and that for 2014) summarising the match can be and should be merged into the Supercopa article. Crowsus (talk) 21:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2014 Supercopa de Catalunya

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I appreciate this article has only recently been created and had to go through the AfC process to do so, but there is simply no need for standalone articles on these matches. The Supercopa de Catalunya was a novelty trophy created by the Catalan Federation so they could expand the existing Copa de Catalunya to more clubs but still wanted to have a guaranteed match between Barcelona and Espanyol (probably not anticipating the latter's decline and the rise of Girona in the region). So the tournament itself is notable, but clearly wasn't taken very seriously as demonstrated by the attendance being about 10k each time when Barcelona have 70k season tickets. The tournament then seemed to die altogether due to COVID and has not been played since. The 2 paragraphs of information in this article (and that for 2018) summarising the match can be and should be merged into the Supercopa article. Crowsus (talk) 21:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Polideportivo Municipal de Manises

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Fails WP:GNG, Wikipedia is not a list of every structure to have ever existed. Stadiums are split off from clubs/cities when they are subjects of discussion as primary theme. "Stadium" with 1,000 capacity in town of 30,000; many American high schools probably have bigger facilities. Team has played one season ever in a national (regionally divided) league, in 1956-57. Not sure whether there is anything at all to salvage and whether that goes to the town or the team. Not even the biggest enthusiast of stadiums in Spain has written about this [53] Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Manises as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per above. Svartner (talk) 02:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mattin

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, and the external links in the article don't help establish notability (as they're either Mattin's website or interviews). Interestingly, the article was created by User:Mattata, whose only mainspace edits involve creating this article. toweli (talk) 17:45, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: There is some coverage in The Wire, albeit paywalled. From the magazine's index, issue 267 (2006) looks to have the most coverage of the subject. More recently, there was a book review a year ago, in issue 476. AllyD (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Soft keep, I would be inclined to delete normally, due to the probable conflict of interest noted by the nominator, the sources shown by AllyD appear to display notability. -Samoht27 (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (for now). I did find two books with some content: 1) Audio Culture, Revised Edition: Readings in Modern Music. United States: Bloomsbury Publishing, 2017 - pp. 406-409. 2) Kádár, Dániel Z.. Politeness, Impoliteness and Ritual: Maintaining the Moral Order in Interpersonal Interaction. N.p.: Cambridge University Press, 2017 (one page). I don't think this rises to notability at this time. He did write a chapter in a book but it doesn't seem to be a book that has had an impact. Lamona (talk) 00:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sweden

Jessica Nilsson

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The article only has one (unreliable) source. No indication of importance besides directing one feature film, as all the rest of the credits are small projects. Cutlass ^Ciera 16:06, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I've added sources. A couple of ~500 words long Swedish articles with Nilsson and her work as the main focus, a couple of Danish reviews, one Danish article about her not wanting to be connected to All About Anna anymore. Perhaps not impressive but, I think, enough. As the article states, she's created two feature films (All About Anna, Sverige er fantastisk), but perhaps equally important – based on what I've found when looking for additional sources – is her work with radio plays for national Danish Radio. The focus on movies rather than radio plays seem a bit unbalanced. /Julle (talk) 22:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per WP:HEY WP:DIRECTOR WP:GNG, so that only cleanup is now necessary, not deletion. (Thanks, Julle!) -Mushy Yank. 00:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: If available please provide any in-depth sources to bolster the case for notability. But, with the provided sources, while there are some mentions in reputable sources, they do not pass WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,

Even you are not satisfied with the coverage present on the page, she does meet WP:DIRECTOR easily. -Mushy Yank. 22:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank How? — MimsMENTOR ^talk 16:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She directed a very notable film and coverage attests of that. -Mushy Yank. 18:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - per above, there seems to be enough coverage to pass WP:GNG and an editor has worked on adding some to the article per WP:HEY, so more cleanup and improvement can happen, but AfD only concerns itself with the notability part, which seems satisfied. Raladic (talk) 22:35, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:GNG or WP:CREATIVE. Baqi:) (talk) 16:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes WP:DIRECTOR based on the notable feature film that is also blue-linked. --Shiv989 (talk) 21:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkey

Cihan Erdal

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WP:BLP1E. This person is only notable for his 9-month imprisonment by the Turkish government, the news coverage of him mostly starts and ends within that period. Being one of about one hundred political prisoners caught in a government crackdown in a country that has been experiencing a democratic backsliding for over ten years now is not a very solid claim of notability. Badbluebus (talk) 01:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I'm not sure getting arrested for your beliefs is notable. Certainly doesn't meet academic notability. Coverage is about the arrest, but I don't think that's enough for an article here. Oaktree b (talk) 01:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I notice there is some book coverage in google books by some major academic presses. For example: [54], [55], [56] The diversity of the sources and prolonged coverage over a couple years suggests that the arrest, imprisonment, and release of Cihan Erdal would pass WP:NEVENT. Perhaps repurpose this an event page instead of a WP:BLP?4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Czyz

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I am nominating this article for deletion under wikipedia's notability guidelines.

This article appears to be a PR piece commissioned by the author themselves, or their literary agency. Just a few hours after the first edit, the author made an edit, followed by a long series of edits by the single originating account. The article included some awards which the author paid in order to receive. Anapophenic (talk) 21:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Was a WP:BEFORE done? Easily passes WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV. Chapter 23 of Shorter Views: Queer Thoughts & the Politics of the Paraliterary by Samuel R. Delany (2011, Wesleyan University Press) is devoted to a lengthy analysis/discussion of Cyzc's Adrifit in A Vanishing City. Book reviews in independent secondary WP:RS: [57], [58], [59], [60], [61], [62], [63], [64], [65], and [66]. Other WP:RS: [67], [68] Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Enough reviews in article and above to meet WP:AUTHOR. Not seeing anything particularly unusual in the edit history. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eyüp Can (journalist)

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Fails on WP:JOURNALIST and WP:GNG and the references can't open. Royiswariii Talk! 07:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Totally unsourced. The article in Turkish Wikipedia looks to be copied from this version. — Maile (talk) 14:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added some sources, so as per WP:HEYMANN. Baqi:) (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilkhanate campaign to Bithynia

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One of many questionable articles by this editor. Couldn't find anything about this so called event - doesn't seem notable. This is the only part of the article that only talks about this event; "This Ilkhanid army succeeded in recapturing several Ottoman-held castles and towns in the region and dealt a blow to Osman I's forces" HistoryofIran (talk) 04:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lean keep, but rename Ilkhanid campaign in Bithynia. A real event. See here. Also mentioned here but without a date. I've added two links from articles that refer to it (and have for years). Srnec (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leya Kırşan

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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Of the two blue-linked items that she was in, one article had just a list item and one didn't even mention her. Of the 5 references, one just had he age, for two there was nothing there (404) and two just listed a few IMDB type factoids. Previously tagged for WP:Notability by a different NPP reviewer. North8000 (talk) 18:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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If you have a look at the corresponding article in Turkish, you can see that she's in the main cast of various notable productions. I don't have time to improve this right now but maybe Draftify or Redirect to Payitaht:_Abdülhamid#Season_2_2 (mentioned there) and interested users can expand either the draft or the page by reverting the R when they're confident they have enough. Thanks. -Mushy Yank. 19:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of number-one songs of 2010 (Turkey)

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Unprodded a couple of months ago as “appropriate content fork of a seemingly notable chart” but has still not been cited. As the article does not exist in Turkish Wikipedia it seems unlikely to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 15:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 1) this is part of a series of articles (in various countries; deleting one page in particular (as has been done after unilateral draftifications of other years) is absurd and borders disruption). 2) OK, I'll source it. But.....the person who DePRoDed this was right imv. Why, just because it is unsourced, take this particular year to deletion? The fact that this does not exist on Turkish WP is not an issue. Also please remember WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.". Mushy Yank (talk) 19:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank OK I did not know that NLIST said that about lists. So does that mean the “unsourced” tag should be removed from this article and similar ones such as List of number-one hits of 2006 (Turkey), 2007, 2009? If so what about the other uncited lists on https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/bycat/Turkey.html#Cites no sources ?Chidgk1 (talk) 19:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Note that NLIST indicates in the following sentence that, still, presenting sources is more than recommended! In general, the unsourced tag should not be removed until sources are added but the notability of such lists that are part of a set is not an issue, I would say. That list you link is very long and in theory, again, sources should be added but one can only decide whether the page seems notable without sources present on a case by case approach. I'll add sources to the 3 pages you listed but one person cannot source all unsourced pages even if that is only Turkey-related articles. Mushy Yank (talk) 20:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, in fact, yes, the Unsourced tag should have been removed because there was a source in the EL of all 4 articles, with a link indicating "previous number ones may be found via archive.org". And the template's doc indicates: "You should only add this template to articles that contain no citations or references of any kind." Which was not the case. ImproveRef or RefExist or any other tag would have been OK. The Unsourced tag, as well as the notability tag, indicate extremely serious issues and should not be used lightly if easy means of verification and available sources exist. Thanks. Mushy Yank (talk) 20:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as issues brought up by nom have been addressed. Tessaract2^Hi! 13:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the article is cited now and per WP:NLIST. Synonimany (talk) 13:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trail Blazer (album)

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One of many uncited Turkish albums which I mentioned to the albums project last month this one was tagged uncited 15 years ago. I searched but there are others with the same name. Unfortunately the Turkey project is only semi-active but hopefully someone from the metal project will know better than me if it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I was not able to find material in reliable music magazines, searching for both their band names. I think I could be able to write up one of their later albums, but not this one. I did get hits in Google Books. Geschichte (talk) 16:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anadolu Efes S.K. past rosters

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Article was tagged uncited 4 years ago and does not exist in Turkish. As the main article includes info such as notable players perhaps this uncited article does not have any notable info which is not already in the main article. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I could see a list of players, if sourced, but rosters of each individual year is not a thing I think we do. Some have been up for AFD previously. Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C. past rosters was kept in 2008, whereas C.D. Primeiro de Agosto past squads was deleted in 2015. I think that's telling of how the demands in deletion discussions have evolved. Geschichte (talk) 16:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Acıbadem Üniversitesi S.K.

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Although there are 9 sources on the Turkish article some are trivial and others no longer exist. So I doubt this team is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 14:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Bahçeşehir Koleji S.K.. Per this source: Team names: Acibadem Universitesi Istanbul (-2016), Bahcesehir (2017-). Geschichte (talk) 16:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ukraine

Volodymyr Kulish

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Unreferenced BLP article. Cannot find significant coverage in sources from translated pages. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, Governor of Chernivtsi Oblast is a notable position equivalent to a United States Governor. Much of the subject's coverage is in Ukrainian [69][70] Microplastic Consumer (talk) 02:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep -- Subject meets WP:NPOL. JTtheOG (talk) 02:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ukrainian flag officers losses during the Russo-Ukrainian War

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Per WP:NLIST, in order for a standalone list to be notable the list must itself be a topic covered in reliable sources: "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; and other guidelines on appropriate stand-alone lists." In contrast to the list of Russian generals killed, there is not discussion of Ukrainian 'flag officer' deaths as a set. Since there are no reliable sources that discuss ukrainian 'flag officer lossses' as a set, this list article does not meet the notablity guidelines. This is in contrast to Russian generals killed during the invasion of Ukraine--they are discussed as a set in reliable sources. To take another example, reliable sources discuss 'non water floods' as a set^[1]^[2] and therefore this group or set satisfies the notability requirements for a list article: List of non-water floods. There is no reliable source in the article under discussion for deletion here that discusses Ukrainian 'flag losses' as a set. List notability can be tricky to understand, but the key is that the set must be discussed in reliable sources as a set. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no problem with the list. The article name does not mention killed, it clearly says losses (not nesesary killed). The profile of those losses are top-tier Ukrainian Flag officers or Generals/Admirals, for example Hayduk was the Admiral of the Ukrainian Navy, Kutsyn was the Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Army and Koval was the Ministry of Defense. It's unusual hence the list.Mr.User200 (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think flag officers are significant enough for their own list. There has been some discussion of losses eg [71] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: List is predicated on a notable topic with entries supported by reliable sources, even if there are no sources covering the topic matter as a whole "set". --Katangais (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marxist–Leninist Party of Ukraine

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Unsourced since 2009. The external link does not refer to this party, at least per machine translation. Only references I can find to this party are referring or reproducing this article. Smallangryplanet (talk) 20:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I find nothing at all searching in either Ukrainian or Russian. There was 'Communist Marxist-Leninist Party of Ukraine' founded in 2013 by Leonid Grach [ru], which was clearly another party. --Soman (talk) 10:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Illya Tsaryuk

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Played half a game of football with no significant coverage cited here nor on Ukrainian Wikipedia (although the latter has more content, the sources are all non-independent or database sources). My own searches yielded Champion and UA Football, neither of which are anywhere near enough for even WP:SPORTBASIC #5, a lower bar than WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete. If this isn't a failure to "make any credible claim of significance or importance", nothing is. Geschichte (talk) 22:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not A7 eligible. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 03:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums

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1) As far as I can tell, we don't have any other article that is about "List of paintings of x origin being held in museums in y country". This feels like WP:ARBITRARYCAT, and it's really not notable that Western European paintings specifically are held in Ukraine when Western European paintings are held in museums around the world and when Ukrainian museums have collections of paintings from around the world.

2) Most of the history discussed in the article is not about Western European art in Ukraine specifically, but about the history of artworks in Ukraine in general (several mentions of art museums with Oriental art). This is an interesting topic, but it doesn't justify the existence of an article dedicated specifically to Western European art in Ukraine.

3) The article has been marked as completely lacking sources for 15 years, probably because there is a lack of sources dedicated to the topic of "which Western European paintings are held in Ukraine" (only one I could find was a book published in 1981, but the information in that list is almost certainly out of date after 40 years).

Previous deletion discussion was closed as no consensus.

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Delete: I tend to agree with the nom, this isn't really helpful when Western European art is held around the world. I really don't see notability for most of the museums, they aren't that well-known. We're not listing paintings in the Louvre or the MoMA, that are world-famous. Oaktree b (talk) 16:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the list part of this article is unhelpful. National museums house stuff from across the entire globe, it's what they do, and which museums house what isn't really encyclopedia material. Where there's a particular documented controversy about a country's culture being housed in another country's museums (Elgin marbles is an extreme individual case) then we can have an article, but I don't think there's any special controversy about the fact there are Western European paintings in Ukrainian museums. So I agree to this extent: the list could be deleted. But the introductory material to the list, about the history of museums, galleries, and art-works is actually quite encyclopedic and interesting. Could the article be trimmed of its "list" material and status, and moved to a more appropriate title? Elemimele (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:CROSSCAT. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 03:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment imo the problem with the suggestion is that that portion of the article remains unreferenced, so while it is interesting and possibly valid as a renamed article, I would want to see it appropriately sourced - or sourced at all - before making that determination. Are there other articles we could merge it into that already discuss the topic? Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a single source, but I still stand by my comment. Smallangryplanet (talk) 10:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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United Kingdom

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Ivan Rijavec

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Marked for notability concerns since last year. Created by a single purpose editor. Limited google news hits, 2 of them being non-independent architecture press. 1 line mentions in google books. Fails WP:ARCHITECT. LibStar (talk) 05:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the offline sources already cited in the article. A WP:BEFORE shows there are tons of sources in google books, and a basic google search yielded articles like [72], [73], etc. Google scholar also had a biographical entry in an encyclopedia of Australian Architecture which you can accesss: http://hdl.handle.net/10536/DRO/DU:30041742 Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please tone it down a notch. LibStar (talk) 06:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the sake of getting along, I redacted the comment that bothered you. I thought you might prefer that instead of striking it. Best.4meter4 (talk) 08:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not bolding a vote because there's two options here, as the vote is really "not this article as it is" - it's written very promotionally and in a completely non-encyclopedic tone. I'd either delete on WP:TNT grounds explicitly allowing re-creation, or completely strip the article down to nothing if it is kept. A WP:BEFORE search shows he is likely notable. SportingFlyer T·C 08:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in the current form and rewrite on basis of WP:TNT because WP:BEFORE clearly proves notability.--A09|(talk) 16:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. Keep per reverse HEY --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC) An acceptable stub should be[reply]

Ivan Rijavec (born 1951)^[3] is a Slovenia born Australian architect. He studied at the Western Australian Institute of Technology in Perth.^[4] Rijavec was selected to be member of the team of Creative Directors for 2010 Venice Biennale of Architecture.^[5]

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^ Hayes, Jamie (5 July 2024). [Fromhttps://www.msn.com/en-ie/foodanddrink/other/from-chocolate-to-butter-the-world-s-worst-non-water-floods/ss-BB1l3Evm?ocid=staticfallback Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods "From Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods"]. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ Kernan, Sean (2022-08-17). "The Worst Non-Water Flood Disaster in History". Medium. Retrieved 2024-11-24.
^ "Ivan RIJAVEC". Art Gallery of Western Australia. Retrieved 22 November 2024.
^ Lozanovska, Mirjana (1 January 2011). "Rijavec, Ivan". The encyclopedia of Australian architecture. Deakin University. Retrieved 22 November 2024.
^ "Creative Directors for 2010 Venice Architecture Biennale announced". Australian Design Review / News. web.archive.org. 3 February 2010.

I don't see that https://thefifthestate.com.au/articles/ivan-rijavec-in-bespoke-resi-offer-to-urban-greys-gay-greys-and-more/ or https://www.theage.com.au/national/daring-architect-eyes-acland-street-20031101-gdwnnk.html tell us anything about the architect. Reads like churnalism. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WomenArtistUpdates I stubified it with the text you provided per WP:BOLD. Would you consider changing your vote based on this change?4meter4 (talk) 05:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think people arguing for WP:TNT want the article history removed as well. LibStar (talk) 06:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really care about the history, to be honest. SportingFlyer T·C 08:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Most of the delete votes have been WP:TNT and acknowledged this topic is notable. Now that the article is stubified and the objectionable material removed, I think the spirit of those concerns have been addressed. Per WP:PRESERVE policy indicates leaving article history is a preferable whenever possible. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:PRESERVE is a shortcut to WP:Editing policy#Try to fix problems (permanent link), but "history" is not mentioned anywhere on that page. Flatscan (talk) 05:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I changed my !vote (above). Thank you 4meter4 for your bold move :) SportingFlyer LibStar I don't have strong feelings one way or the other regarding page history. (It would be interesting if someone could figure out the whole "cheese-grater" controversy, but I reckon it is a bit too local.) --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 19:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per "reverse HEY." In architecture as well as in an encyclopedia, sometimes less is more. Bearian (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dečan operation

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The entire section on the operation itself is unsourced, and it has 0 information on the actual operation, only explaining the lay-out of the operation and that the KLA were entrenched. The sources only mention the casualties and are not in-depth. The article is also not writen from a neutral prespective with it refering to the KLA as "terrorists" and using serbian letters for Albanian names like Hashim Thaçi. This article is WP:NOT Peja mapping (talk) 12:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Il meglio della scienza del clima è al Cmcc". la Repubblica (in Italian). 2023-05-06. Retrieved 2024-11-11.

[2] Hayes, Jamie (5 July 2024). [Fromhttps://www.msn.com/en-ie/foodanddrink/other/from-chocolate-to-butter-the-world-s-worst-non-water-floods/ss-BB1l3Evm?ocid=staticfallback Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods "From Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods"]. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[3] Kernan, Sean (2022-08-17). "The Worst Non-Water Flood Disaster in History". Medium. Retrieved 2024-11-24.

[Art_Gallery_WA-4] "Ivan RIJAVEC". Art Gallery of Western Australia. Retrieved 22 November 2024.

[Deakin-5] Lozanovska, Mirjana (1 January 2011). "Rijavec, Ivan". The encyclopedia of Australian architecture. Deakin University. Retrieved 22 November 2024.

[Australian_Design_Review-6] "Creative Directors for 2010 Venice Architecture Biennale announced". Australian Design Review / News. web.archive.org. 3 February 2010.

[7] Hayes, Jamie (5 July 2024). [Fromhttps://www.msn.com/en-ie/foodanddrink/other/from-chocolate-to-butter-the-world-s-worst-non-water-floods/ss-BB1l3Evm?ocid=staticfallback Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods "From Chocolate To Butter, The World's Worst Non-Water Floods"]. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[8] Kernan, Sean (2022-08-17). "The Worst Non-Water Flood Disaster in History". Medium. Retrieved 2024-11-24.

[Art_Gallery_WA-9] "Ivan RIJAVEC". Art Gallery of Western Australia. Retrieved 22 November 2024.

[Deakin-10] Lozanovska, Mirjana (1 January 2011). "Rijavec, Ivan". The encyclopedia of Australian architecture. Deakin University. Retrieved 22 November 2024.

[Australian_Design_Review-11] "Creative Directors for 2010 Venice Architecture Biennale announced". Australian Design Review / News. web.archive.org. 3 February 2010.

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