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Category:People associated with Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie

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Nominator's rationale: Vague and unnecessary. WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH concerns. For most entires, won't be WP:CATDEF meamemg (talk) 23:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Films with songs by the Sherman Brothers

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Nominator's rationale: It makes sense to categorize Category:Songs written by the Sherman Brothers, but is it necessary to categorize the films in which they wrote songs for in this manner. Should this expand to include Category:Films with songs by Kenny Loggins and the like? Film articles tend to already get overcategorized as it is by genre, location, awards, producer, director, etc.. If kept, I'd recommend changing to "Films with songs written by the Sherman Brothers". StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pasek and Paul

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent for a single "works by" subcategory, which should be sufficient for navigational purposes. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ascaridida

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Nominator's rationale: The World Register of Marine Species (the authority on all marine taxa) accepts this taxa as infraorder Ascaridomorpha, with Ascaridida as an unaccepted synonym. C2D opposed as the rename was recent and boldly made (by me, in the course of correcting old articles where taxonomy has been updated). ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Albums with commentary tracks

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Nominator's rationale: I do not believe this is a defining quality. The commentary tracks aren't significant to the albums and are usually a part of a re-release, special edition, store or digital exclusive, only mentioned in the track listing. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Goodall Focus

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Nominator's rationale: delete', redundant category, the two articles already refer to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bugs Bunny

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Nominator's rationale: User:Dimadick has tried his best, but has failed miserably. I am nominating multiple categories named after Looney Tunes Characters (Except for ones like the Road Runner one, which I actually think can stay, but may need to purged too). For instance, the Bugs Bunny one contains a bunch of media and even non-media things; such as Tyson Looney Tunes Meals, which should honestly be moved to main Looney Tunes category instead. Bugs Bunny is already the most popular Looney Tunes character, almost all Looney Tunes media featured him. Furthermore, just because Bugs was named after compilation of movies such as The Essential Bugs Bunny or a concert called Bugs Bunny on Broadway does not instantly mean it is directed related to the character. Finally, if you still don't agree, prhaps we can still make separate categories with names like "Works featuring Bugs Bunny"? But maybe not anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tried his best for what? Anyway, these characters all have sizeable sub-franchises, including numerous films centered around them, therefore they should be kept. Regardless of what's in the base category, the film subcategories make it clear that a category should exist and shouldn't just be ignored. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I did except you to oppose honestly, but I believe I worded several things incorrectly. By the way, Bugs Bunny and several are others in Looney Tunes are already major characters. I know they appear a lot of works, but we could at least purge these categories or create new categories (but that is honestly not necessarily recommended, but there is a separate article for Development of Bugs Bunny) with titles such as Works featuring Bugs Bunny? I think that would be more useful in my honest opinion. Also Tyson Looney Tunes Meals should at least be moved to the main Looney Tunes category, sure they like Tyson Foods products with Looney Tunes character on the label. This article is in the article Porky Pig, Daffy Duck, and Bug Bunny but I read the article and the package foods are practically based on almost every single LOONY TUNES character, NOT JUST THOSE THREE. Does that make sense to you? Haven't you heard enough already?*:QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment I take that most of what I said back now that I think about it. But I believe it would be useful to only include the things primarily related to a single character in these categories still though, especially if there name is in the title like with the category for Porky Pig. This may especially be because the other categories for Looney Tunes video games featuring a specific character (Bugs bunny and daffy duck) have been nominated and purged a few months back.
      QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose These characters have notable franchises of their own. Dimadick (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. By all means move an article up to the Category:Looney Tunes parent if it relates equally to many different characters, but keep the character categories for articles that focus on just one or two characters. jnestorius(talk) 15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Caves of Xinjiang

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Nominator's rationale: These are all artificial, and thus not true caves. This is a more accurate description. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should actually be renamed to Category:Buddhist grottoes in Xinjiang Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target? There are three possibilities floating around.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen

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Nominator's rationale: See all other categories in Category:College sports teams in the United States by team, even in cases where the men's and women's teams have different names, the Wikipedia convention is to group them into one category (gender-specific groupings can then be made at the sport level). --Habst (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise, Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen athletes should be renamed to Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen and Flying Dutch athletes. --Habst (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alumni of Coleg Cambria

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing no articles. Category:Alumni of Yale College, Wrexham has been made a sub-category despite the fact that Yale College Wrexham is now defunct and the two alumni in the category graduated from it when it was not part of Coleg Cambria. This extra layer of categorisation is inaccurate and makes absolutely no sense. AusLondonder (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia categories named after theorems

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Nominator's rationale: A "maintenance" category, but when asked, category creator could not indicate what maintenance might be needed for these specifically. Fram (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia categories named after numbers

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Nominator's rationale: A "maintenance" category, but when asked, category creator could not indicate what maintenance might be needed for these specifically. Fram (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scripps News affiliates

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Nominator's rationale: Scripps News ceased distribution to broadcast stations on November 15, 2024, and became streaming-only ([1]). The remaining articles need updating to indicate the subchannel that has replaced it. As such, this category should be empty. This also follows precedent that diginets that fold or cease broadcast distribution do not maintain affiliate categories, e.g. Circle (TV network), Twist (TV network). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:IShowSpeed tours

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Nominator's rationale: High likelihood that all three IShowSpeed tour articles get deleted, so therefore this category should be removed also. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 18:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Telemundo-stub

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Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear utility. It's being used on ten Telemundo-affiliated television stations and one Telemundo television series, but it files its entries into the general Category:United States television station stubs instead of a dedicated "Telemundo stubs" category that couldn't exist without at least 50 more uses than this template has -- but since every one of those articles also has another stub template ("[State]-tv-station stub" and/or "US-drama-tv-prog-stub") on it, that means that every article is already in a more specific subcategory of the Category:United States television station stubs parent (or doesn't belong under that tree at all in the case of the series), and thus this template is adding absolutely nothing but unnecessary duplicate categorization. Bearcat (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:627 BC establishments

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Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
More useful and logical to upmerge to Category:620s BC establishments. jnestorius(talk) 11:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBTQ by continent and country

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary container. Also, analogous categories are not by country by continent. Web-julio (talk) 16:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Football League Most Valuable Player Award winners

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Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Football League Offensive Player of the Year Award winners

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Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Football League Defensive Player of the Year Award winners

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Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Football League Defensive Rookie of the Year Award winners

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Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:National Football League Offensive Rookie of the Year Award winners

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Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films

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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation. No other category with "indian paintbrush" currently exists and even if they did, "films" exists as a natural disambiguator. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Further education colleges in Pembrokeshire

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Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Pembrokeshire and Category:Education in Pembrokeshire.

Category containing only a single article, better categorised within the parents AusLondonder (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Further education colleges in Denbighshire

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Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Education in Denbighshire. Category containing only a single article, better categorised within the parents AusLondonder (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:8th-century BC establishments in Europe

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Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated category and both subcats are already in Category:8th-century BC establishments by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Doctor Who locations

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Nominator's rationale: No subjects except for an audio series that takes place in the titular location. Every other location with an article has been redirected, making this category relatively moot. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Professional wrestling shows in British Columbia

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Nominator's rationale: A request to speedily rename this category to match the contents of the category was opposed. There are no articles on this topic except for those which took place in Vancouver so this is an unnecessary layer of categorization. User:Namiba 15:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players

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Nominator's rationale: The description says this category is only for people who played on the 1886–92 version of the Milwaukee Brewers in the original version of the American Association (AA) in 1891, when that league was considered a major league. However, a later team called the Milwaukee Brewers played in a second incarnation of the "American Association" (AA) for fifty years. Thus, on its face, "Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players" could refer to players from either team. As a result, more than three times as many members of the "Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players" are miscategorized members of the 1902–52 minor league team than correctly categorized members of the 1891 major league team. In short, "(AA)" does not disambiguate this category from Category:Milwaukee Brewers (minor league) players. "(1891)" would Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 15:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:19th-century BC establishments by country

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Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer for this very early period, every of these categories contains very few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:13th-century BC establishments in India

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Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated category with only two articles, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:15th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization

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Nominator's rationale: merge, semi-isolated single- or dual-article categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:15th-century BC establishments in Vietnam

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Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:719 BC

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Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional Belgian people

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Nominator's rationale: The current name gives the impression that these are characters with an in-universe nationality or citizenship. Most of them have no defined nationality though and are (often deliberately) created as somewhat "universal" or vaguely Western European. A rename of the category may make this clearer (better suggestions for the new name are welcome!) Fram (talk) 13:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose, this should be discussed together with the sibling categories. Just renaming Belgium does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Without comment on what the categories should be for, the current category tree does contain some articles (e.g. Doctor Evil, Hercule Poirot) where the character is specifically Belgian but the creator is not, some where both character and creator are Belgian (e.g. Tintin (character)), and some where the creator is Belgian but the character is not specifically, or if they are no mention is made of it in the relevant article (e.g. Gil Jourdan lives in Paris; if he is canonically Belgian our article does not mention it). There are also several articles included which are about the work of fiction rather than the character (La Patrouille des Castors, L'Élève Ducobu). Whatever happens to the category it could do with cleaning up. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Tintin is never officially or canonically stated to be Belgian, although much points to it. But perhaps the category needs splitting instead of deleting then, any suggestions what the best name might be for the ones created by a Belgian? Fram (talk) 11:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 06:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Big 12 Championship Game venues

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT User:Namiba 19:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 06:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Channel 4 presenters

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Nominator's rationale: It's just people who present or have once presented random Channel 4 programmes. We shouldn't be dividing by network, which amounts to nothing more than WP:PERFCAT. The national level is sufficient. --woodensuperman 08:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 05:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:FM-Class articles

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Nominator's rationale: Quite simply, these are not articles, but are pages in the File namespaces. I suspect the category was named because it was easier to populate via template, but now we are using lua it will be easy to change this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 05:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Private hospitals in Greece

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 02:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Savvyjack23, Perhaps you can find them to support your strongly oppose position. LibStar (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Haitian company founders

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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 02:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose, under-population is not a valid reason for deletion. It should be tagged appropriately under [[Category:Underpopulated categories]]. Furthermore, just because there is only one entry, does not mean there are not other biographies elsewhere to include. Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mehreen Jabbar's directions

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Nominator's rationale: category does not follow established naming conventions, and currently contains both films and TV shows by this director. 1857a (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Vanuatuan people by occupation and century

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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is a redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 00:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Beat 'em up characters

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Nominator's rationale: contains only one subcategory, at the moment. Perhaps you could populate it somehow, or maybe not. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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