Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 8
December 8
editCategory:Map series of France
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Map series of France to Category:Maps of France and Category:Map series by country
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation SMasonGarrison 20:13, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Viruses described in 1892
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1892 to Category:Viruses described in the 19th century and Category:Species described in 1892
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1901 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1901
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1903 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1903
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1907 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1907
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1909 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1909
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1930 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1930
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1931 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1931
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1933 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1933
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1934 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1934
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1953 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1953
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1958 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1958
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1959 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1959
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1967 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1967
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1972 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1972
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1973 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1973
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1974 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1974
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1977 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1977
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1978 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1978
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1980 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1980
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1983 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1983
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1986 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1986
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1996 to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century and Category:Species described in 1996
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 2001 to Category:Viruses described in the 21st century and Category:Species described in 2001
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 2003 to Category:Viruses described in the 21st century and Category:Species described in 2003
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 2011 to Category:Viruses described in the 21st century and Category:Species described in 2011
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 2014 to Category:Viruses described in the 21st century and Category:Species described in 2014
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 2019 to Category:Viruses described in the 21st century and Category:Species described in 2019
- Propose merging Category:Viruses described in 1892 to Category:Viruses described in the 19th century and Category:Species described in 1892
- Nominator's rationale: Mostly 1-article categories (only 1933 & 1972 contain 2 articles), per suggestion by Marcocapelle @ Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#Category:Human viruses by year of formal description. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Species described in 1892 etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Updated nom ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 12:59, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Map series of Canada
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Map series of Canada to Category:Map series and Category:Maps of Canada
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. There is only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. SMasonGarrison 15:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom, better also nominate the siblings. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Modern roman religion
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. C1 speedy deleted. The Bushranger One ping only 09:40, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Modern roman religion to Category:Ancient Roman religion
- Nominator's rationale: This category overlaps heavily with a much other category. I've already warned the category creator to slow down. They're extremely new. SMasonGarrison 14:52, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- The category is currently empty. I wouldn't object to a Category:Reconstructionist Roman religion per se, if there would be a handful of articles about it, but I don't expect this is currently the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, this is an empty category. Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Aired episodes tracking categories
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 12:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Template:Aired episodes using both showpage and title parameters to Category:Aired episodes using both showpage and title parameters
- Propose renaming Category:Template:Aired episodes using equal showpage and title parameters to Category:Aired episodes using equal showpage and title parameters
- Nominator's rationale: rename, "template" is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Travelers
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- The result of the discussion was: keep Category:Fictional travelers. Containerize Category:Travelers and Category:Female travelers. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 16:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Travelers to Category:People by behavior
- Propose merging Category:Female travelers to Category:Women by behavior
- Propose merging Category:Fictional travelers to Category:Fictional characters by behavior
- Nominator's rationale: It is tough to understand how this could possibly be defining. Most everyone is a traveler at some point, so it's simply too vague to function as a category. Furthermore, many of the categories herein make no sense. Migrants and stowaways are not necessarily travelers by nature, but are taking a potentially one-time journey. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I made a bit of an error in nominating; I meant to suggest merging the first two to Category:People by behavior and Category:Women by behavior respectively rather than deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "Most everyone is a traveler at some point" But everyone is not known for these travels, nor everyone leaves a mark in travel literature. As always, categories are for those largely defined by the these activities. Dimadick (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- If it's not obvious a category is defining, and it is not here, then it is a non-defining category. "Category:People by form of notable travel" would be a more defining and correct title for this particular category, but clunky and IMO, somewhat arbitrary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Containerize Category:Travelers and Category:Female travelers, the subcategories are related somehow, but there shouldn't be any articles directly in these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional travelers, neutral on the rest - A character can be defined by the fact that they travel for lengthy periods of time, not sure about real people. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point, the whole storyline may be about someone's travel. In real life that doesn't really apply though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 02:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC)- I think that we should containerize the Category:Travelers and Category:Female travelers, per marco. I'm neutral on the rest. SMasonGarrison 15:09, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose merging. Humans haven't always been as mobile as they are in the present. "Traveler" (or one of its subcategories, rather) is precisely the kind of category that I'd expect for articles like Ibn Battuta or Marco Polo (and, indeed, they are included in travel writer categories that are subcategories of the tree created by the traveler category). I would support containerizing them, except then what would be category for non-biography articles like list of travelers (which is definitely about travelers) or Women and the Grand Tour (which is definitely about female travel)? Whatever happens, though, these categories should not be simply merged to the parent "by behavior" categories. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 12:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Making an exception for list of travelers and Women and the Grand Tour is perfectly fine to me. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Ancient and early medieval military alliances
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:7th-century BC military alliances (1 P) to Category:7th-century BC military history, Category:7th century BC in international relations and Category:Ancient military alliances
- Propose merging Category:6th-century BC military alliances (2 P) to Category:6th-century BC military history, Category:6th century BC in international relations and Category:Ancient military alliances
- Propose merging Category:5th-century BC military alliances (1 C, 4 P) to Category:5th-century BC military history, Category:5th century BC in international relations and Category:Ancient military alliances
- Propose merging Category:4th-century BC military alliances (4 P) to Category:4th-century BC military history, Category:4th century BC in international relations and Category:Ancient military alliances
- Propose merging Category:8th-century military alliances (1 P) to Category:8th-century military history, Category:8th century BC in international relations and Category:Medieval military alliances
- Propose merging Category:9th-century military alliances (1 P) to Category:9th-century military history, Category:9th century BC in international relations and Category:Medieval military alliances
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated and poorly populated categories, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Recreational weapons
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 12:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Even standard weapons can be used for recreational (i.e. hunting) purposes, making what constitutes a "recreational" weapon vague at best. I suggest deleting it, with the exception of Category:Toy weapons which should be upmerged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:37, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and re-parent the subcategory, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Jontesta (talk) 13:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pejorative terms for in-group non-members
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge to Category:Pejorative terms for people Timrollpickering (talk) 12:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Too long and clunky, this gets the point across more concisely. Qualiesin (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to parent Category:Pejorative terms for people, pejorative terms are usually for outgroups from the pov of the speaker and this set of articles has too little in common to keep it separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Most other pejoratives for groups of people are for specific groups of outsiders, this category is for terms for outsiders in general. Qualiesin (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't look like it. Benny (slang) is a pejorative term used by year-round residents of the Jersey Shore to describe stereotypically rude, flashy, loud tourists from North Jersey and New York. Bule (term) is an Indonesian word for foreigners and/or non-Indonesian national, specifically people of European descent ('white', 'Caucasian'). And even if were, then Category:Pejorative terms for outsiders does not clarify that at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Then remove those from the category. It's still useful to have this category. Qualiesin (talk) 20:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't look like it. Benny (slang) is a pejorative term used by year-round residents of the Jersey Shore to describe stereotypically rude, flashy, loud tourists from North Jersey and New York. Bule (term) is an Indonesian word for foreigners and/or non-Indonesian national, specifically people of European descent ('white', 'Caucasian'). And even if were, then Category:Pejorative terms for outsiders does not clarify that at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Most other pejoratives for groups of people are for specific groups of outsiders, this category is for terms for outsiders in general. Qualiesin (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Pejorative terms for outsiders — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geysirhead (talk • contribs) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or rename? I am not seeing explicit opposition to the rename if there is no consensus to merge, given Marcocapelle sees both names as equally unhelpful. Feel free to correct me, however!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)- @Marcocapelle: See above relisting comment; I want to make sure I understand your opinion. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Pejorative terms for people, precisely per Marcocapelle's reasoning. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:40, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- if not merged, I have no opinion on the rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Qualiesin: please comment on my 17:52 3 December reply. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per marco. SMasonGarrison 15:10, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Pejorative terms for people due to Marcocapelle's reasoning. Jontesta (talk) 13:36, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mayors of Barcelona City Council
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 12:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mayors of Barcelona City Council to Category:Mayors of Barcelona
- Nominator's rationale: Mayors in Spain are members of the city council, but at least the WP:COMMONNAME of the job is "Mayor of Barcelona", just like all other Mayor categories for Spain, at least. Couple of press sources, many more [1] [2]. Official website in English. [3]. An analogy to the current title would be "prime minister of the British House of Commons"; the prime minister sits in the HoC yes, but that is far from the most common title. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Unknown Temptation I concur. Your proposal makes a lot of sense. There is no other use of 'Mayor of Barcelona' as a title or for anything else for that matter. Plus, the Spanish and Catalan categories for this are both 'Alcaldes de Barcelona', a word-for-word translation of what you've proposed. Along the lines of PM of the British HoC, imagine if people called Charles III by his full formal title... Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. It's excessive. Montezuma69 (talk) 03:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Was not tagged. I will do so.
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Category:Reality by type
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Reality by type to Category:Reality
- Nominator's rationale: Most of these aren't really a type of reality, but a way of interpreting or adding onto reality. The title being misleading as it is, it's best to simply merge them back to the parent category. Alternatively, this category may be deleted instead as simply WP:SHAREDNAME without relation to the scientific or philosophical concept of reality. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge or delete?
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- Comment If soft closed, I think merger would be best to be safe. People can remove anything they think doesn't fit later if necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:42, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rather merge than delete, per Zxcvbnm. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:English female characters in drama television series
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:English female characters in drama television series to Category:English female characters in television
- Propose merging Category:English male characters in drama television series to Category:English male characters in television
- Propose merging Category:Scottish female characters in drama television series to Category:Scottish female characters in television
- Propose merging Category:Scottish male characters in drama television series to Category:Scottish male characters in television
- Propose merging Category:British female characters in drama television series to Category:British female characters in television
- Propose merging Category:British male characters in drama television series to Category:British male characters in television
- Propose merging Category:American female characters in drama television series to Category:American female characters in television
- Propose merging Category:American male characters in drama television series to Category:American male characters in television
- Nominator's rationale: As well as being unneeded differenciations, some have very few entries and, as most television characters who have Wikipedia articles originate from dramas, it seems redundant to split these. FishLoveHam (talk) 20:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose for now, there is also Category:Scottish female characters in drama television series, Category:British female characters in drama television series and Category:American female characters in drama television series.I don't have a clear opinion about whether they all four should be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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