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Category:Kannywood actors

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Kannywood redirects to Hausa-language cinema. – Fayenatic London 21:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Works about intellectuals

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Works about intelligentsia. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:05, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, no clearly defined criteria exist for what constitutes an "intellectual" - car chasm (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Taisha

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 18:06, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per article title Taisha-zukuri. Note that Taisha is a disambiguation page. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Taisha is a shrine ranking, and Taisha-zukuri is a tangentially related architectural style named after one such shrine with that ranking. We should have an article on Taisha but we currently do not. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 08:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kamo shrines

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:41, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC, the category is apparently named after the Kamo River but that has little to do with shrines. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a specific tradition of Kamo Shrines. It is not just a physical location. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:21, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Susanoo shrines

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:39, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per main article Susanoo-no-Mikoto. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gion faith

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of these articles, Gion is often not mentioned at all. The article Gion is about a part of Kyoto, but the articles are unrelated to that. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle It is very much a defining characteristic. The deities are worshipped in the gion faith, and the buildings are dedicated to it, the festivals are festivals of the Gion faith. It is a bit strange in its history due to suppression by the Meiji government though. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 21:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All of the articles now have clear mentions. One I think was miscategorized but the rest were fairly obvious to someone with familiarity with the Gion faith. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 23:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kōshin faith

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to align with what should be the main article of this category Kōshin. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sanno faith

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The result of the discussion was: rename. No quorum. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:37, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename to align with what should be the main article of this category Sannō Ichijitsu Shintō. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Towers in religion

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The result of the discussion was: rename as originally proposed. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:36, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, consistent with parent Category:Religious buildings and structures. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Regional Sōja

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, "regional" is not a defining characteristic of the shrines. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ancient Greek rulers

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ancient Greek monarchs. bibliomaniac15 04:40, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2B/WP:C2C. Follow-up to recently renamed "Category:Ancient Greek women rulers" > Category:Ancient Greek queens regnant, in which female Category:Ancient Greek tyrants were ultimately excluded as non-monarchs. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Montreal Maroons (soccer) players

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the soccer club is notable. No article exists, no independent sources could be found. Geregen2 (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Taekwondo teams

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All entries are federations, all entries are also in Category:National members of World Taekwondo Kaffet i halsen (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Monica and Friends

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To fit with the new comics names

@Marcocapelle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notrealname1234 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Sexologists

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only 1-3 articles in each of these categories and not part of a large established tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Montreal CPR players

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable. Existed in the 1920s and 1930s, no article, I could not find independent coverage. Geregen2 (talk) 14:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Olympic sportspeople of Foo

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The result of the discussion was: Rename all per revised proposal Timrollpickering (talk) 16:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
and 4835 similar categories
Nominator's rationale: C2C Category:Olympic competitors by country categories (e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for Albania‎) and C2D Chinese Taipei at the Olympics
I have not yet found if the of/for-switch, between e.g. Category:Olympic competitors for Albania‎ and Category:Olympic alpine skiers of Albania‎, has been discussed or why it exists. I have only found Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Olympic competitors by country, a discussion 2005 that established the Category:Olympic competitors for Foo. Mention at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics has not yet rendered any explination.
The reason for for and not from, except for that parent categories are for is that a sportsperson may be from somewhere but represent another entity. For these categories, it is who they represent that is defining.
It doesn’t look to be an preference for of in Wikipedia articles: one "Olympic swimmer of" and 30 "Olympic swimmer for"; or in web search results: three "Olympic swimmer of Great Britain" -wiki and 1,280 "Olympic swimmer for Great Britain" -wiki
Note: Chinese Taipei at the Olympics had a request to be moved to Taiwan at the Olympics in December 2021 that resulted in no move. Chinese Taipei at the Paralympics and Category:Chinese Taipei at the Paralympics‎ are congruent.
Excluded categories: Category:Olympic competitors as Independent Olympic Participants, Paratriathletes and paracanoeists by country (CfD), Category:Olympic footballers of Russia (CfD), a couple of irregularly named categories (Category:American military Olympians, Category:English Olympic competitors‎, Category:Indigenous Australian Paralympians‎, Category:Paralympic athletes of Italian military sports bodies, Category:Scottish Olympic competitors‎, Category:Scottish Paralympic competitors, Category:Welsh Olympic competitors‎, and Category:Welsh Paralympic competitors).
Kaffet i halsen (talk) 11:37, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Chinese Taipei" for consistency. Taiwan is called Taiwan throughout the category tree and "for Chinese Taipei" is not required here as part of a proper name or a standard expression. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks it hasn't reached the category Category:Chinese Taipei at multi-sport events Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- I suspect that objections from PRC may mean that Taiwanese competitors have to use that team name. The country calls itself "Republic of China" but WP decided long ago that we should call it Taiwan. Perhaps this should apply here too. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support "Chinese Taipei" -- also see 2018 Taiwanese referendum#Questions and results. --寒吉 (talk) 06:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support "for" but Oppose "Chinese Taipei". The categories for Taiwan participation at the Olympics also cover the period between 1956 and 1976 where Taiwan sent a delegation under the names of either Republic of China, Formosa or Taiwan. "Chinese Taipei" only became a thing starting in 1981. There would probably be little reason to split the categories for Taiwanese participation in the Olympics before or after this date, and "Taiwan" is a better time-independent term for the topic because it is the widely understood common name of the country. Place Clichy (talk) 11:59, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Taiwan aside, is this proposal really important enough to change nearly 5,000 categories? Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the main distinction being that not every competitor for a country is necessarily of that country, being eligible through whatever grounds - and that the relevant defining feature for the category is the country being represented; the distinction indicates this focus. I suppose that otherwise, theoretically because it would never stand, someone could try to argue adding multiple "competitor of X" categories to articles of athletes with dual nationality even if they've only represented one country at the Olympics. And since a bot will surely be making the changes, it was probably more effort for me to type this. Kingsif (talk) 03:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: I have removed the Taiwan/Chinese Taipei part from the nomination to reach consensus. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 10:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional energy swordfighters

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF. Created by a banned user. The fact that they use an energy sword in particular does not really have a bearing on their characterization. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Princes in Rus'

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Princes from Kievan Rus'. bibliomaniac15 04:37, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename, re-parent to Category:Kievan Rus' people and purge Category:Grand Princes of Moscow. Except the Moscovian rulers (who lived in a completely different time period), these are princes of Kievan Rus'. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that the nom has been modified from the original.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 06:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Medieval Islamic world

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. bibliomaniac15 04:38, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C per parent Category:Religion in the Middle Ages and per sibling Category:Christianity in the Middle Ages (see 2018 rename precedent). It already has the century categories as children (Category:7th-century Islam‎ to Category:15th-century Islam‎). The September 2022 move to the current name has caused numerous problems (see the recent discussion). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@William Allen Simpson did I nominate it properly this time? I'll just do Islam for now, we can always do Hinduism and Judaism as a follow-up, I don't want to over-complicate things. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london, Laurel Lodged, Marcocapelle, Orientls, Peterkingiron, and RevelationDirect: still active users from earlier discussions. The 2022 rename to "world" nominator was a sockpuppet....
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not his only sock... Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac15 06:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 23#Category:Ghettos in Nazi-occupied Europe

Category:Pathological science

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 23#Category:Pathological science

Category:Eintracht Vancouver players

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable. Played in an amateur league 50 years ago. No independent coverage could be found. Geregen2 (talk) 00:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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