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Category:Eurimages films

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Films by studio" category for a thing that isn't actually a film studio, but simply a funding agency that provides grants to the studios, with the result that the minor funding participation of Eurimages isn't a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the films. This is, further, effectively unmaintainable -- just on IMDb alone, Eurimages has participation credits on at least 1,000 films (and when you consider how flawed and incomplete IMDb can be, it almost certainly has at least twice as many as that in reality), but just six of them have actually been highlighted for inclusion here.
Films just don't need to be obsessively categorized for having received production grants from government funding agencies. Bearcat (talk) 23:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:My New Picture films

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 17#Category:My New Picture films

Category:Sons of Manual films

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 17#Category:Sons of Manual films

Category:CBC films

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single-entry "films by studio" category for a company that isn't normally a film studio. The CBC is a radio and television broadcaster first and foremost, meaning that a CBC-produced film is virtually always a television film rather than a theatrical one -- but Category:CBC Television original films already exists for that, making this redundant to that in almost every case where it could ever be useful. And while there is one theatrical non-telefilm filed here, it's one where "CBC Films Sales" was only a secondary "in association with" credit rather than a primary studio, so the minimal CBC involvement in that film isn't a defining feature of that film. This was, further, created by Gng1999, a serial overcategorizer who's been blocked from editing Wikipedia in part due to their serial overcategorizing. Bearcat (talk) 23:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Years and decades in Greece (until 1820)

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, Greece did not exist until 1830 so that seems the best point to start year categories. The decade categories do not have to be merged to Ottoman Empire decade categories because the articles are already in Ottoman Empire year categories insofar applicable (or in one case in a Republic of Venice year category). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: We have a category tree under Category:Ottoman Greece, so I don't see how it helps to merge these year and decade categories into the Ottoman empire (which is huge). The situation seems to me analogous to the decade categories for Mexico, Cyprus, Argentina, etc, all of which have categories from before they existed as independent states. I'd be open to moving them to [[Category:####s in Ottoman Greece]]. Furius (talk) 15:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename but to "Ottoman Greece". I am insufficiently knowledgeable to know how many provinces this refers to. The Ottoman province of Macedonia seems to have been divided between divided between Greece and what became Yugoslavia during the Balkan wars and anything there should be purged into a more appropriate provincial category. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand the spirit of this suggestion but I disagree in practice. "Ottoman Greece" isn't a discrete place with well-defined temporal or geographic boundaries. If you asked present-day Greek nationalists, they would include, not without all merit, not only the modern Greek republic but most of Asia Minor, Cyprus, and Northern Macedonia as "Ottoman Greece". In an article you can explain the subtleties, but that gets lost in a category. It's easier and more correct to stick to the actual provinces of the Empire when talking about events by date.67kevlar (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:15th-century Ottoman Jews

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 14:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, only two articles and a subcategory, and the category does not contain any siblings. Upon deletion of this category, the two articles should be added to Category:Jews in the medieval Islamic world,Category:Jews from the Ottoman Empire and Category:15th-century Jews. The subcategory can just stay as is, but Elijah Bashyazi and Moses Capsali should be added to Category:Jews in the medieval Islamic world as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kursk Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Krasnodar Krai

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kostroma Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 19:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the Komi Republic

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:08, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 19:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kirov Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 19:03, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Khakassia

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 18:58, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Khabarovsk Krai

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 18:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Supporters by football clubs in Chile

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The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 14:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This main category and the three subcategories are not something that's closely defined with Wikipedia's goals and aims with the categorization of articles. Supporters or fans of a sports team don't require such a category for biographical articles. The articles under the subcats are either politicians, celebrities, or football/soccer players themselves. Not sure what makes these necessary to be included in these articles. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kemerovo Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: result Timrollpickering (talk) 14:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 18:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from the Republic of Karelia

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 18:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Karachay-Cherkessia

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 18:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kamchatka Krai

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 18:36, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kaluga Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kalmykia

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The result of the discussion was: result Timrollpickering (talk) 14:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 18:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kaliningrad Oblast

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kabardino-Balkaria

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one or two articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 18:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Obluchye

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The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles. Rathfelder (talk) 18:00, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Saba culture

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The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To follow precedent Category:Culture of Georgia (country) – see above for an outline of the alternative naming formats. Saba (island) was renamed after an RM (because of Saba (disambiguation)), and categories are being renamed within Category:Saba (island), but this one was opposed as a Speedy with the alternative suggestion Category:Saba (island) culture. – Fayenatic London 12:57, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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In the interest of moving this along, apparently we have to voice a more specific opinion... I'd tend to side with the original proposal, because a "Saban" demonym is not very common, and the precedent of Category:Culture of Georgia (country)‎ (the latter parenthesized disambiguation was brought up earlier in a similar context). --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Eritrean Catholic cathedrals

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The result of the discussion was: Merge per nomination, and redirect. The target page must be added into Category:Eritrean Catholic Church; it is already within all the other parent categories of the nominated category already. – Fayenatic London 11:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per standard of other countries. There is a difference between "Eritrean Catholics who are Eastern Catholics" and "Roman Catholics who are Eritrean nationals". The Roman Castholic Church in Eritrea has been suppressed; only the Eastern Catholic church remains. Rather confusingly, it is called the "Eritrean Catholic Church". Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:06, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. These are Eritrean Catholic cathedrals. I don't understand the rationale. Perhaps you consider the category too small for a standalone?
Elizium23 (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That church building is odd. It is not a cathedral. It used to be a Latin church building but is now Eastern Catholic. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can tentatively support a reverse merge for this and the other one where @Marcocapelle has commented, but it doesn't make any sense to me to merge in the other direction and lose precision. Especially since the appearance of non-Eritrean, Eastern Catholic cathedrals in these cats would be highly unlikely. To put it in @Laurel Lodged's words, "There are no Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea that are not Eritrean." Elizium23 (talk) 22:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Reply I think that there may be a misunderstanding. "Eritrean Catholic" refers to a particular denomination. It does not refer to Catholics who live in Eritrea. The denomination is to be distinguished from the Catholic Church in Eritrea (i.e. the Latin church) which used to exist in Eritrea but no longer does. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I am not sure what you mean by "denomination". The Eritrean Catholic Church is every bit as Catholic as the Latin Church. They are both in full communion. Neither call themselves "denominations". The Eritrean Catholic cathedrals listed in the cats are simultaneously Eritrean Catholic, "Roman Catholic" (broadly construed), and Eastern Catholic. Elizium23 (talk) 02:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the chances of a diaspora cathedral of the Eritrean Catholic Church are better than cathedrals of other Eastern Catholic churches in Eritrea, but anyway we only need two categories after one of these events will happen. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Merge or reverse merge?
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  • Merge, yes but only as proposed by nominator. I too believe that we should follow church denomination, hence, if it's Easter Catholic than it can't be confused with a Roman - it's an autonomous church with 23 sui juris individual churches, all in communion with the Pope. I suppose that Eritrean Church has enough buildings, priests, etc. to write an article about them, so having cat for Eritrean Eastern Catholic church is absolutely a must have.--౪ Santa ౪99° 14:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ethiopian Catholic cathedrals

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The result of the discussion was: Merge and redirect. – Fayenatic London 11:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion between the buildings of the Eastern Catholic and the Roman Catholic Church located in Ethiopia. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Referendums in the Philippines

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 17#Category:Referendums in the Philippines

Category:Slaves of the Buyid dynasty

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 17#Category:Slaves of the Buyid dynasty

Economics consulting

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 17#Economics consulting

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