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Category:American novelists of Indian descent

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: do not merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT / Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_7#Category:American_ethnicity_and_descent. User:Namiba 22:03, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Movie Central original programming

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Target category is no longer effectively served by maintaining multiple subcategories.
This requires a bit of a complex explanation: prior to 2016, "The Movie Network" and "Movie Central" existed as two separate pay TV movie channels, one serving only Eastern Canada and one serving only Western Canada. But despite being owned by different companies at the time, they didn't invest in original programming independently of each other: TMN/MC programs were virtually always produced and/or aired jointly by both channels, so shows were always original to both channels rather than just one or the other. Then in 2016, MC sold out to TMN, so that TMN was now a fully national service -- and then in 2018 TMN rebranded itself as Crave. And while TMN and MC jointly branded one of their multiplex channels as "HBO Canada" in 2008, the programs they aired on that channel weren't actually branded as "HBO originals", but were still billed as "TMN/MC originals" since they were the parent services. (And even to this day, while one channel in the Crave multiplex is still named "HBO", its original content is still marketed as "Crave originals" rather than "HBO originals".)
All of which means we don't really need four categories here: we don't need separate "Movie Central" and "The Movie Network" categories if all of the original programs they aired when they were separate things were always jointly shared by both services; we don't need a standalone "HBO" category if those shows have always been branded TMN/MC/Crave instead of HBO per se; and just merging them all into one new category but leaving that as a subcategory of Crave isn't necessary since TMN-->Crave was just a straight rebranding. It just isn't navigationally helpful to have four categories here, especially since not everything is actually subcategorized correctly. (There are "HBO" shows still in the TMN/MC cats instead of the HBO subcat, and TMN/MC shows that are being catted only as TMN and not as MC.)
To be fair, separate TMN and MC categories seemed logical and reasonable when they were first created, back when TMN and MC were separate things, but given the current situation keeping four categories isn't effectively serving readers anymore. Bearcat (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SK2242 (talk) 21:57, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge MC & TNN/Neutral on HBO The first two make total sense, especially since they weren't substantively different prior even prior to the merger. The articles in the HBO Canada are split between just saying HBO and mentioning the other two networks which might be an editing issue so I'm less sure but certainly not opposed. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Baseball venues in North Texas

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Because North Texas is an imprecise region without firm borders, this is a subjective category. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_December_17#Category:West_Texas for a recent example of a similar discussion. User:Namiba 20:14, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as the first step. I think "Baseball venues" should be renamed to "Dedicated baseball stadiums" or something, because I wouldn't be surprised if baseball has been played at many non-dedicated venues which would turn this into a WP:PERFCAT. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American women novelists of Indian descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:International Triathlon Union world championships

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 19#Category:International Triathlon Union world championships

Category:People from Providence, New York

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:44, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree Peter Flass (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Mayors of places in France

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Propose merging
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one, two or three articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now All of these places likely had more than five mayors but most would be non-notable. No objection to recreating any if they exceed expectations and get to 5 articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Just a critical question:Category:People from Annecy that means usually: Born in Annecy -> not exactly what is reqired for mayors who rarely ever make their election in their birth cities/towns. How to solve the problem? An error of mine? --Just N. (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:San Marino and Rimini's Coast motorcycle Grand Prix

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename to match article, which has been renamed again without further discussion after a recent RM – but as the nominator in that RM, I accept the new name as consistent within Category:Motorcycle Grands Prix. – Fayenatic London 08:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dunkin' Brands

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Dunkin' Brands has been acquired by Inspire Brands on December 15, 2020. Ridwan97 (talk) 03:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No objection to a redirect, but the only other Dunkin' Donuts article is 6abc Dunkin' Donuts Thanksgiving Day Parade which is likely WP:SHAREDNAME. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:21, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Activists who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Doctors who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
Comment: Although physicians are apparently twice as likely to end their lives by suicide, that is actively discouraged by the profession. Moreover, the problem isn't mainly with doctors themselves, it is the resident trainees where suicide is one of the leading causes of death. That's a reflection of how badly they are treated, not a professional qualification. We don't have a category for residents, as they aren't likely to be notable. If they commit suicide, they are very unlikely to become notable.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jurists who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Philosophers who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
William Allen Simpson (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is an unclear counter proposal. If the category is kept, there is nothing to purge. E.g. while Charles Blount (deist) killed himself when rejected in love, he was still a philosopher. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Writers who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:53, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh for goodness sake. Journalists was also under the main "by occupation" category. So I've removed it from there, and I've nominated all suicide by writer by sex by country quadruple-intersection subcategories (below). If folks want to keep Writers by sex, then Journalists can be merged there.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:16, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @William Allen Simpson: sorry to bother you again. Do you intend to propose deleting the intersection categories only, but not the top category of Writers who committed suicide? If that is the case, the proposal should be a merge rather than a deletion. Or if you do intend to propose deleting the top category as well, you need to expand your rationale. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If all of these are approved, there will be no need to nominate the parent Category:Writers who committed suicide. It will be deleted as empty. Until we've dealt with the constituent categories, we don't know whether we'll be allowed to delete the parent. That's the problem with doing things in batches over time. Also the problem with triple and quadruple intersection categories. Easy to create. Extremely time-consuming and difficult to delete. They should be outlawed entirely everywhere.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:37, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Writers who committed suicide by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial triple-intersection. These must be inter-sex writers who are not already categorized as men or women. Otherwise, who in their right mind would categorize the same subcategories in a third way?
Comment — 51 not tagged, because they will be emptied.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Male writers who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial quadruple-intersection. Perhaps because they were not women?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion about Category:Male suicides has meanwhile started as well, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_December_31#Category:Male_suicides. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Women writers who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial quadruple-intersection. Are women hysterical?
Comment — most of these have only 1 or 2 articles, and were created in the past year, some within the past month.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion about Category:Female suicides has meanwhile started as well, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_December_31#Category:Female_suicides. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aviators who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
Comment: Most subcategories were eliminated by previous CfD. Remaining subcategories are not nominated, as they are both already in other suicide subcategories.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:31, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Criminals who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between being a criminal and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the criminality and the suicide, making the link even weaker. Also, these would not be those who were incarcerated, as those already exist separately:
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their history and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
Comment: is [criminal | murderer | serial killer | Nazi collaborator] actually an occupation? How do you get paid for it? Why are Nazi collaborators criminals, but Nazis are not?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Silver Wolf Award (The Scout Association)

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:35, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT & WP:OCAWARD)
Several Scouting groups have "Silver Wolf" awards and this one is from The Scout Association in the UK. There are really two categories of winners here:
1: British Scouting people who are generally categorized in other scouting categories like Garth Morrison and Garth Morrison along with some colonial representation like Charles Hoadley
2: Scouting people with no clear connection to the UK like Walther von Bonstetten, Sano Tsuneha and Demetrios Alexatos.
The first group is generally well categorized in other Scouting categories and mentions the award in passing. For international recipients, the Bronze Wolf Award and Silver Fish Award are considered the top international award. Neither group seems defined by this award. There wasn't a complete list so I created one right here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ten Outstanding Young Persons of the World

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:34, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
The Ten Outstanding Young Persons of the World an award from the Junior Chamber International for promising young people. But Wikipedia doesn't have articles on promising young people. By the time these people accomplish something else and have a Wikipedia article created, this award usually gets a passing reference. I'm not even sure if this was the intent of the category though because it only has the award article, a list and one winner. The current contents are already listified here in a separate list article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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