DirkvdM

For older threads see User talk:DirkvdM/archive 1 and User talk:DirkvdM/archive 2 or the first nine threads below, which I wanted to keep here. Most of those are reminders for myself, except for:

• Photograph Identification - for those who have identified contents of photos of mine
• Philosophy - a glimpse of how my mind works (for those who can stomach it)

Photograph Identification

If you recognise any of the plants or animals in the photographs in my Photograph portfolio, please tell me here. Thanx :) DirkvdM 13:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

• Hi, Dirk. The rhinoceros beetle on Image:Rhinoceros beetle.jpg is probably Aegopsis curvicornis trinidaensis, in the tribe of Agaocephalini. --ja:利用者:Ons 08:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi. Yes, according this research, it's A. curvicornis trinidaensis. Beetle on Image:What beetle is this.jpg is dung beetle. --Goliathus 11:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Your hummingbrd photo looks like a Buff-tailed Coronet. Google it with images. Crickie 22:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

• The land hermit crab photo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hermit_crab_corcovado.jpg) looks like its Coenobita compressus to me, take a look at this link: http://www.tonycoenobita.com/species_compressus_eng2.htm . Scroll down to "Body Colour / Spot" and look at the second row, right picture. Looks very similar. I have several C. compressus as pets but your photo looks somewhat different, I still think its a C. compressus though. --Quigabyte 02:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The photo is now at Wikimedia commons. I've added the info. DirkvdM 06:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

• The photo you posted in the Banana talk section Image:DirkvdM_bananaflower.jpg is Strelitzia reginae, otherwise known as "Bird of Paradise." They grow all around my office here in San Diego, California, USA. That is a nice photo. Cheers! Intelligence3 23:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Don't forget

• Talk:A_Turning_Point_in_National_History#Request_for_Comments zo dan
• Photographic lens
• Percent-encoding
• Tulip mania

DYK

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Photos

Hi Dirk, I'd like to request permission to use/licensing one of your photographs. File Name: climber_natural_spiral.jpg Sadly I do not know what kind of plant this is; it is some kind of vine. Thank you for your assistance. 76.30.237.150 (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)Lois Stark, webandladder at gmail dot com

Hi Dirk, you've uploaded some great photos. I was wondering why you have uploaded them as {{fairuse}} given that they are your own images? You may want to consider adding a licence to the image like {{PD-user}} if you want to release them into the public domain, {{CopyrightedFreeUse-User}} if you'd like to maintain copyright, the {{GFDL}} is the licence most used by Wikipedia's contributors, and there is a host of Creative Commons Licenses. --nixie 07:24, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I still needed to look into this, but you've made my job somewhat easier. I've decided for the moment to use the creative commons license. I've found out how to use it with just the 'by' tag, thus: {{cc-by}}. That will do for the moment, but I don't know how to aloso add the 'nc' and 'nd' tags. Could you tell me? DirkvdM 08:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm trying to identify your hummingbird image - it would narrow it down a bit if you could say where it was photographed - not in the Netherlands!

Don't bother, it's a Costa's Hummingbird, so probably in [[california

Nope! That's a photograph that was already there. The one I placed is the green flying one next to the text about flying (seemed appropriate). You're half-right in an odd way, though, with the Costa bit, because it was photographed in Costa Rica :) .

By the way, if you know about other animals than butterflies (or plants) you might also take a look at these: User:DirkvdM/Photographs#Plants_and_Animals. Or just enjoy them! I'm quite a bit proud I must say (and this isn't even my best selection). DirkvdM 20:01, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi there. I've identified Image:Butterfly panama.jpg as Heliconius sara, and also wrote an article for it: see Sara Longwing. I would have edited the image description, but you left a note indicating that you'd prefer to do it yourself. Thanks for contributing so many excellent images! -- Hadal 20:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Me again; I've also identified Image:What butterfly is this-2.jpg as Chlosyne janais, and wrote up an article for it too: Crimson Patch. Cheers, -- Hadal 05:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Hadal. I've also uploaded a side-view of the Crimson Patch and put it in the article. Not as nice-looking, but scientifically equally interresting, I suppose. DirkvdM 07:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi DirkvdM - your pic image:treemoss_panama.jpg is almost certainly a Tillandsia, not Usnea, hope you won't mind that I've moved it out of the Usnea page - MPF 01:04, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I wanted to put the photo in the Tillandsia article, but I see you've already put it in the Spanish Moss article (which is also a Tillansia although it doesn't look like the other varieties). You might have pointed that out to me (and you might have put it in a bit bigger - sob, sob :( ). At first I thought you were referring to the smaller Tillandsiae (is that a correct plural?), but then I realised that Spanish moss looks like Usnea. DirkvdM 07:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I only added it to the Spanish Moss page after adding my note above - I needed to check that the species occurs in Costa Rica (which it does) before being sure of the ident. The 'beards' are too long, and in too exposed a position for Usnea, but match Tillandsia usneiodes perfectly. Sorry about the size, but it's difficult to fit lots of large pics around the small amount of text! - MPF 10:09, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hi DirkvdM I'm running a fanpage of Mercedes-Benz Museum in Stuttgart: http://www.automuseum-stuttgart.de You have uploaded a photo of the old Mercedes van of Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany which is now owned by a Dutch Family. Would you allow to post this photo on the Museum Fansite? It would be be very nice. Thank you in advance. Bernd mailto: bernd.schray(at)beejees.net

First of all, it was owned by my grandfather. I don't really know what happened to it. If you know, tell me. Else, I will ask my mother if she knows. Of course you can use the photo. The Wikipedia rules say you have to give Wikipedia credit, though. It would make sense to link to [photo page]. DirkvdM 14:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Moved from User page

Several bits, first one from someone who recognised me.

Hi Dirk. I know this is not the place, but I am very curious. So forgive me the next question:The combination of this discussion about "the Big Bang theory" with your names makes me thinking. Are you the Dirk from Hemelrijken, Eindhoven?

Once upon a time, yes! Now you get me thinking (I love a good puzzle). Who did I know then who only knows me from that period (apparently) and recognises my style in this theory. Also someone who would be nosing around in Wikipedia enough to encounter this. Leo? DirkvdM 08:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I probabely would have the same guess, but it's not Leo. If you know the answer, you can mail me:"my complete name without any dots"@planet.nl

Rats! I probably shouldn't have said that I love a good puzzle. So you know Leo too. And well enough to 'would have guessed that too' (if you wouldn't have been you, that is - but then would you then have known Leo - or me for that matter....). And I'm still assuming you didn't know I live in Amsterdam now. It's Rinie with an 'e' at the end, right? DirkvdM 07:21, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

(and I was right....)

On 090702 I started to clean up my user page, moving some stuff elsewhere. Such as here, but also to User:DirkvdM/Physics. And also check the history of my page at the time.

Private Wiki

I want to set up a personal Wiki, but still need to look into that. In the mean time, here's a ref desk question that might help: Mediawiki-style personal wiki. Tiddlywiki looks interesting.

Philosophy

Hi! I liked your response to my question about philosophycal skepticism at the humanities reference desk...thank you. I think it's awesome that you have studied philosophy!, do you know how can I use or join philosophy wikiversity? I don't understand it...maybe you can point me in the right direction, thnx. :).--Cosmic girl 00:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. About philosophy wikiversity; I never even heard of it. Thank you for pointing it out to me. Apparently there is a Wikiversity, of which the humanities division has a philosophy school. And a ancient Greek philiosophy course is being set up. Other than that, I don't know, but since it is very new and the courses are set up by the students themselves, I suppose at this stage you'd be more involved with research elsewhere to contribute by writing about what you fond. But, as with Wikipedia, that is part of the fun. What's more, it forces you to organise your thoughts, which, especially in the field of philosophy, is one of the better teachers. It's not just the knowledge that counts, it is much more the organisation of that knowledge, sort of like the difference between data and information. A table contains data. Seeing a structure in that data is information.

And if I may point you to a specific field of philosophy; try Logic. I think that should be a compulsory subject at schools. So often I hear people make elementary mistakes with logic. And if anything you say lacks logic there is no point in saying it. In other words, Logic will help you in other studies and in life in general. For example, if A has quality b then that does not mean that everything that has quality b is A. Makes sense right? However (I'm bringing up a favourite subject), even though people may not say it out loud like this, a lot of people will have this idea in their head that since State Socialism in the USSR led to atrocities, that means that atrocities are a part of State Socialism. You might not see the link at first, but what if you take A=atrocities and B=State Socialism. That makes the reasoning sound upside down. But something is not just defined by its qualities, one could also say that a quality is defined by the things that have it. (There is a name for this, but I'm a bit rusty and can't remember it now.) Excuse me for throwing you in the deep. :)

May I add that I'm not a communist and not (particularly) in favour of State Socialism. I just hate bullshit reasonings, so if I detect un unfair attack on anything I will point that out. Here's another one: a protest against the formation of the EU in the form of a poster with the head of Hitler and the text "United Europe? My idea!" Alas, people's unfamiliarity with basic rules of logic often leads them to actually be affected by such reasonings.

End of class. :) DirkvdM 08:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I think you are right...and I use those illogic arguments sometimes...=P, maybe if I study logic I won't anymore. And you are githt about knowledge organization being more important than knowledge accumulation also. Do you know of any easy introduction to logic online?, because I don't think I'll be able to understand anything that isn't meant for beginners. :D and, thnx for the class teacher.--Cosmic girl 18:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, another thing...hehe, I hope this question isn't too stupid, but since you like logic so much,I figured you may be able to answer it...ok, do you think that it's possible that our logic is not the 'real' logic and can be a 'fallacy' or some logic that is 'consistent within itself' but not 'beyond itself' since that logic was created by some 'smarter, truer' logic, but a logic that is totally unlike ours, so different that we can't grasp it, and if we did, it would seem really illogical to us...do you think there is a possibility to this? or is there a logical way to disprove this possibility?.--Cosmic girl 18:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, you certainly start with the right questions. I spot a great philosopher in the making. :) Don't take what I say now as official doctrine, but all any Logic can do is try to be internally consistent. What lies outside it, what Kant called 'Die Welt an sich' or 'the world in itself' can not be known. We are born with apriori knowledge, a set of rules, which, through experience, interacts with that world and thus creates our world view. Because we are bound to those rules, we can only know the world as we know it (now there's a nice tautology). We can speculate about the existence of a Welt an sich, but we cannot know it, so there's little point in thinking about it any further. Or so one could say. That would then be one of those things you have to think through as a philosopher and then let go once you realise you cannot know it. Then again, mathematics and formal logic are attempts to describe these rules and knowing the rules might be a way to escape them. I've let go of this a long time ago, but now I'm starting to think about that possibility again. Thanks for giving me another sleepless night. :)

About learning Logic. The book I learned Logic from is in Dutch, so that won't be of any help to you. The standard serious (!) introduction to philosophy in general is History of Western Philosophy (Russell), but that doesn't really deal with Logic. Other than that, from the top of my head, I can't think of anything. Except Logic maybe. Haven't read it, but there are loads of articles on the different types of logic. The most basic form is Propositional calculus and the table in that article looks like a handy reference if anything. But it doesn't look like it's for beginners. And there's no Spanish version (if I remember correctly you are a native Spanish speaker). Checking articles in other languages can give interresting insights, such as language-specific POV, but more in general they provide different angles. Anyway, that was a long way of saying I can't help you there. :( DirkvdM 16:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Ohhh...too bad, nevermind! I'll find a useful intro. Hey I have another silly question for you, I hope I'm not too anoying... ok here it goes. suppose Die Welt an sich is conscious...right? like God for example...then, Die Welt an sich has some sort of logic...maybe like ours, or unlike ours...but then...Die Welt an sich can also fall prey of skepticism and paranoia and believe that 'beyond it' somehow lies another kind of logic of which it has no knowledge and may be 'simulating' him/her/it ... and even if Die Welt an sich is infinite...there can still be some different logic beyond it to 'simulate it'....and so ad infinitum... have you ever thought about this?...this means that even God can fall prey of pyrroism.(I don't think I spelled it right). ok...there's another sleepless night for you! =P . ps. I'm trying to comprehend set theory and cantor's work too so that I can 'get to the bottom of this' LOL... =P.--Cosmic girl 00:30, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Relax, you're not in the least bit annoying. I now see that your first question could be interpreted as referring to a god. I don't generally think in such terms, so I didn't pick up on that. I don't know much about set theory, but it seems you've got a nice set there (oops, that's not meant in a sexist way :) ). But it's no shocking new theory. That is something you'll have to get used to as a philosopher. Whenever you think you've found some brilliant new insight it turns out someone else has already thought of it. Seeing gods in everyday object is animism, and that has to be very old. Seeing reality as a whole as one entity is holism, I believe, which sounds very new age but is probably very old too. Seeing it as a sentient entity is a 'logical' next step and seeing that as a god is then almost unavoidable. And a god automatically leads to your paradox, although most religious people oddly don't seem to wonder who created the creator (probably because they didn't come to their belief through deep thought but simply by copying their surroundings, which is usually pretty compulsory anyway). This whole idea of yours has even been made into a film, except that it's people simulated in a computer program. I forgot the title, but that's just as well because if you ever get to see it you don't want to know the explanation beforehand - that would be a major spoiler.

You mean pyrrhonism. At first I looked for Pyrrhus, but that's not the guy, it's Pyrrho. I had forgotten what the guy stood for, but then I looked it up in Russell's History and there I see his philosophy explained with "there could never be any rational ground for preferring one course of action to another. In practise that meant that one conformed to the customs of whatever country one inhabited. A modern disciple would go to church on Sundays and perform the correct genuflexions, but without any religious beliefs that are supposed to inspire those actions." That's almost exactly what I said between brackets here-above. But he goes on to say that that was a reason for sceptics to continue their habits. There was no way to prove them wrong, so they might as well continue their religion. Now that's weird. Philosophy can do funny things to your mind, so be warned. DirkvdM 07:19, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I think Pyrrho ruled!, but only when he said that we have to 'suspend our judgement'...not when he said 'we have to follow the customs of the place we live in'.lol. ok, first I want to clear some things... When I say God... I mean 'truth' actually...God is just a catchy word...I don't mean God like most theists...When I say 'God' I mean a truth that can be accesed by us and be known by us, and to me, if truth is unknowable to us, then there is no 'God'...that's kinda how my reasoning goes...I don't believe in animism...it might be true , who knows, but I don't like it nor believe in it...holism...I don't know, maybe I sort of believe in holism just because reality is a whole, but not the way new agers believe it and say that prayer can heal and stuff like that...not that kind of holism... Hey, what's the name of the movie you said? I wanna watch it. :D --Cosmic girl 02:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I still can't remember the name of the film (I'm very bad at names). But, like I said, with this discussion in mind you'd get the plot way to quickly, so that would be a major spoiler, so that's just as well. About God (as an all-knowing, omnipotent entity this time), if he's so superior we can't know him. Like you said "so different that we can't grasp it, and if we did, it would seem really illogical to us". But I've pretty much given up philosophising about gods, because it has proven highly improductive. People always start thinking about gods with preconceptions and one may argue for ages witout either party having reached any insight. Actually, something similar goes for the whole sceptic thing. It doesn't lead anywhere. But still every philosopher has to 'go through that stage', so to say. DirkvdM 07:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool! I see what you mean...seems like I'm still stuck on that stage.LOL!...what would you say is the next step? or the next stage?...like, for example, what is your personal philosophy, and how do you think philosophers 'get over' the skepticism 'stage'?...I mean, for example, how did Russell 'dismiss' or 'get over' Pyrrho?. ( I hope I'm not boring you :( )--Cosmic girl 16:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

No worries, I'm not that easily bored, and if I were you'd notice by me not esponding anymore. I don't know how Rusesll got over it and I don't really know how I did. It's a gradual pricess and actually, it isn't over yet. It's a basic thought (or is it a way of thinking?) that is so inescapable I come back to it every now and then. But one has to get on with everyday life. A bit of a boring answer (you're not boring, but my answer is :) ) but there you go. You can't escape the truth of it but you have to because else you're stuck. I suppose that's what made the sceptics accept religion as it is. You can't find the truth so you can't reject anything so you might as well go with the flow. Descartes managed to find one truth, "I think therefore I am", but then got stuck and went on with a lame proof of God. And even that one truth is rather lame if you think about it. It doesn't say anything. By using the words 'I' and 'think' you already assume that such things things exist. And then he goes on to conclude that they exist. But he already assumed that. I've even heard of a proof of God that says the name exists, therefore the entity must also exist. Yeah, right.

Oh, by the way, the Moody Blues came up with a nice variation on Descartes; "I think ... I think I am ... THEREFORE I AM! ... I think ...". DirkvdM 20:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha! yeah I have to agree, Descartes was lame... I mean, how could he not tell if he was just an illusion? and also, descartes's proof of God is really the same thing as the proof that says the name exists so God must exist...same circular reasoning... So...are you a graduated philosopher?, or did you only study it for a while?, where did you study it?, what's your job?.--Cosmic girl 21:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so it was Descartes who used that proof of God, I forgot (it's ironic that he used that when it points out the nonsense of his first 'truth'). I studied philosophy for about two years (in Amsterdam), decided that wouldn't get me a job, so I switched to computer science for a while, which I didn't finish either, so I still don't have a job now. Where do you think I find the time to do so much editing on Wikipedia? - I wonder how many unemployed people hang around here. At the moment I'm putting together some ideas for a political party. A bit more than just something to keep me busy. I really want to try that, but for that I need to break away from Wikipedia because it consumes most of my time. I can't live with it and I can't live without it. Aaaargh! :) DirkvdM 21:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I don't work either, I just study psychology... I think I also wanna study computer science but I don't know where or what branch exaclty... I wish I could have hacker skills, but not for bad purposes lol, and also know about programing , flash cartoons and stuff like that... I'd loooooooove to learn that!...I think it complements my wish to be a cognitive scientist since that will help me understand AI and stuff like that. How old are you? do you live with your parents? how is amsterdam?...I think we are way off topic but philosophy tends to get borring at times lol.--Cosmic girl 23:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't expect too much response from me these days because I'm trying to get a bit organised (so it's nothing to do with being bored, as you might think after the remark two postings back :) ).

I'm 43 and live in a sort of student house; same layout but bigger rooms. With plenty of room for a visitor to sleep (I'm also a member of Servas), so if you ever want to find out for yourself what Amsterdam is like, you'll have a place to stay.

So you study psychology. Some philosophy makes a lot of sense for that. Then again, I think every student should get some philosophy education, even at secondary school. Not in the sense of reading big books by long dead guys with long beards, but in the sense of just thinking about things, learning how to take a step back and come up with some insight (your own, not someone else's for a change).

About flash cartoon, just make sure you don't put them on any webpages, because I hate that. I go to webpages for information and it is very hard to read when there is something flashing in the corner of my eye. Even worse is when you can't access a site without a flash plugin. That has to be one of the top ranking irritations on the Internet. But do dabble in programming, if only to have some notion of what makes a computer (and thus our society) tick. I have done a course in Prolog and that taught me that AI thinking is still largely focused on databases, which is the wrong way. DirkvdM 07:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

That's very nice of you, thanx! I'll let you know if I ever travel to Europe and tour Amsterdam. :) hahaa and I hate flash cartoons on webpages also, I wouldn't do it...--Cosmic girl 17:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I have a question for you.lol...do you know what was Russells opinion on Deontology? or what ethical system did he have?.--Cosmic girl 21:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't know much about the philosophies of specific people. I remember the ideas, not who had them. And I largely only remember those ideas insofar as I managed to integrate them into my own thinking. This fits in with what I said above about how philosophy should be used in education. The main idea is to get people to think for themselves. And that's mostly what I do. Remembering who said what is a form of administration and that's boring. :) I sometimes refer to Kant, but that's because I think the same as he did about the way people build up their world view, using the apriori knowledge (formalised in Logic) to order the data that comes in through the senses. And that was also my main interrest in philosophy. I haven't done much with ethics, esthetics and especially metaphysics. DirkvdM 07:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

VWN en WCN

Beste allemaal Al enige tijd is er een Nederlandstalig chapter in oprichting, te vinden op http://nl.wikimedia.org . Dit wordt de Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland (VWN). Je kunt je interesse om lid te worden van deze vereniging hier aangeven.

Deze vereniging gaat eind augustus/begin september een Wikimedia Conferentie in Nederland (WCN) houden, volgend op Wikimania in Boston, gedeeltelijk erop inspelend middels een aantal discussiegroepen. Om iets dergelijks te organiseren is imput erg gewenst. Dus als je wilt meehelpen, of als je interesse hebt om bij een dergelijk evenement aanwezig te zijn, geef dat dan aan op nl.wikimedia. Ik hoop daar snel je imput tegemoet te zien! Met vriendelijke groet, effeietsanders 13:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

COPIED BACK HERE FROM THE SECOND ARCHIVE (kept these in that archive, though)

Space race

Note to myself: keep an eye on the merger of the following:

• Timeline of the Space Race (the old incomplete one)
• Timeline of space exploration (the same, after my expansion)
• List of space exploration milestones, 1957-1969 (too limited in time)

and the discussion over that at Talk:List of space exploration milestones, 1957-1969#Merge w/Timeline of the Space Race. DirkvdM 10:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikitable

Note to myself: for how to use the style of a wikitable see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tables#Style_classes which leads to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Tables#Style_classes but then I'm stuck. Still need to look into this. DirkvdM 18:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

DUTCH ELECTIONS-HISTORY

The following is for my own reference. I use this table a lot, so I put it somewhere where I can easily reach it
The present 'permanent' location is Template:List of cabinets of the Netherlands

The following tables show the national election results and cabinets in the Netherlands since WWII. Per table, only parties that ever got seats over that period are listed (the number of participating parties in Dutch national elections is usually around 20).

The numbers give the number of seats for each party. The total number of seats in parliament is 150, so a coalition needs at least 76 seats for a majority.

In each table, the parties are split in three groups; parties that have been in government, minor parties and extinct parties. Within each group, the parties are grouped roughly according to the scheme leftwing - christian - rightwing.

columns
Elections	Election years (linking to the relevant articles)
sc	'seat change'; the number of seats that changed between parties. Numbers between brackets assume merging parties to be the same as the new party
Cabinet	The resulting cabinets (not necessarily in the same year)
Term	The duration of the term of that cabinet, in months
%	percentage of seats held by the government parties. (Note that the other numbers are seats, not percentages.)
cells
bold	party in cabinet (government)
-	not enough votes to get a seat in parliament
	party didn't exist then or did not participate nationally
	no elections

       Party name abbreviations
GrL = GroenLinks (a merger of PPR, PSP, CPN and EVP)
ChU = ChristenUnie (a merger of RPF and GVP)

Elections	sc		Cabinet	Term (months)	%		PvdA	D66	ChU	CDA	VVD	LPF		SP	GrL	PvdD	SGP	PVV		CPN	PSP	PPR	EVP	DS70	RPF	GPV	BP	LN	AOV	U55	CP	CD
2006	30		Balkenende IV	?	53		33	3	6	41	22	-		25	7	2	2	9
-	-		Balkenende III(1)	7	48		42	6	3	44	28	8		9	8		2
2003	24		Balkenende II	38	52		42	6	3	44	28	8		9	8		2
2002	46		Balkenende I	10	62		23	7	4	43	24	26		9	10		2								<< ChU			2
1998	25		Kok II	47	65		45	14		29	38			5	11		3								3	2
1994	34		Kok I	48	61		37	24		34	31			2	5		2								3	2			6	1		3
1989	(8)		Lubbers III	57	69		49	12		54	22			-	6		3			<< GrL					1	2						1
1986	17		Lubbers II	40	54		52	9		54	27			-			3			-	1	2	-		1	1					-	-
1982	15		Lubbers I	44	54		47	6		45	36			-			3			3	3	2	1	-	2	1					1
-	-		van Agt III(1)	5	43		44	17		48	26			-			3			3	3	3		-	2	1
1981	14		van Agt II	8	73		44	17		48	26			-			3			3	3	3		-	2	1
1977	(19)		van Agt I	45	51		53	8		49	28			-			3			2	1	3		1	-	1	1

In 1977, KVP, ARP and CHU merged into CDA.

DS'70 split off from PvdA
KNP is former Lijst Welter, which split off from KVP in 1948, but returned to that party in 1955
PvdV is the forerunner of VVD

Elections	sc		Cabinet	Term (months)	%		PvdA	DS70	D66	PPR	KVP	ARP	CHU	VVD		CPN	PSP	SGP	GPV	RKPN	BP	NMP		KNP	PvdV
1972	20		den Uyl(2)	55	65		43	6	6	7	27	14	7	22		7	2	3	2	1	3	-
-	-		Biesheuvel II(1)	9	49		39	8	11	2	35	13	10	16		6	2	3	2		1	2
1971	19		Biesheuvel I	13	55		39	8	11	2	35	13	10	16		6	2	3	2		1	2
1967	15		de Jong	51	57		37		7		42	15	12	17		5	4	3	1		7
-	-		Zijlstra(1)	4	42		43				50	13	13	16		4	4	3	1		3
-	-		Cals	19	71		43				50	13	13	16		4	4	3	1		3
1963	9		Marijnen	21	61		43				50	13	13	16		4	4	3	1		3
1959	8		de Quay	50	50		48				49	14	12	19		3	2	3	-		-
-	-		Beel II(1)	5	51		50				49	15	13	13		7		3	-
expansion from 100 to 150 seats				-	85		50				49	15	13	13		7		3	-
1956	7		Drees IV	26	85		34				33	10	8	9		4		2	-
1952	6		Drees III	49	81		30				30	12	9	9		6		2	-					2
-	-		Drees II	18	76		27				32	13	9	8		8		2	-					1
1948	(4)		Drees I	31	76		27				32	13	9	8		8		2	-					1
1946	?		Beel I	25	61		29				32	13	8			10		2							6
-	?		Schermerhorn - Drees(2)	13	(no elections - appointed by queen)
1940-1945: War cabinets without elections

⁽¹⁾ minority caretaker cabinet
⁽²⁾ extra-parliamentary cabinet

COLOURS

Another reference table, with the basic colour variations:

00ffff	0088ff	0000ff	8800ff	ff00ff	ff0088	ff0000	ff8800	ffff00	88ff00	00ff00	00ff88
88ffff	88bbff	8888ff	bb88ff	ff88ff	ff88bb	ff8888	ffbb88	ffff88	bbff88	88ff88	88ffbb
008888	004488	000088	440088	880088	880044	880000	884400	888800	448800	008800	008844

Fuel efficiency

This is a subject I want to delve into, but here is already a good rule of thumb for the fuel efficiency of cars (from Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Fuel consumption on 16 October 2006):
Power(t) = M * A(t) * V(t)
So fuel consumption is mostly dependent on mass, acceleration and speed. So a nervous SUV driver would consume many times over what the driver of a normal car using cruise control would consume. I just wonder about the speed bit. Too low a speed (below 80 km/h) is supposed not to be too fuel efficient either.
Another thread about this is 'Power used by a car' at the science ref desk on 22 august 2007. No definite figures just suggestions that efficiency is at 20% and maximum power output at 160 kW. Power consumption would then be 800 kW. A megawatt, which comes close to the power production of a modern windmill. But of course a car rarely uses its maximum power output.

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AFTER THE ARCHIVE (stuff before this has escaped archiving (1 and 2)

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Rainbow family

Hi Dirk,

I m Fabian. Hospitality Club /Couchsurfing und BEwelcome Member from Germany. I saw on wikipedia that you ve took the picture from the Rainbow Gathering in Costa Rica. I ve been to several gatherings here in Europe but I m going to move to Costa Rica for one year studying. I would love to meet people from our Family over there. My you ve got some contacts or mailinglists for me where I could stay up to date withthe scene over there?

Greez Fabian Kern

Contact for Fabian Kern: http://fabzgy.20six.de/fabzgy/contact

It was an international gathering and almost everyone there was from outside Costa Rica. So I don't have any addresses of locals. But there was some pretty serious talk about buying the land the gathering was held on. So maybe there's still some family living there. It's near the Panamanian border, just south of Parque Internacional La Amistad. Take a bus to first Neily and then San Vito and then (hitch)hike uphill (about two hours if I remember correctly). I can't remember exactly now, but I believe it's west of Santa Elena. Of course you can ask in San Vito, but, as you'll probably know, not everyone is happy about having 'those weird folk' around. But there should still be enough helpful people.

And when you're in that corner of Costa Rica, make sure to visit Parque Nacional Corcovado (I wrote that article). I envy you. I wish I were also headed there. Probably one day I will. DirkvdM 04:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:DirkvdM_havana_casa_bolivar.jpg

Dear DirkvdM,

I am writing a mathematics textbook with a chapter on geometry and your wonderful photo of a courtyard (havana casa bolivar.jpg) is a great illustration of curves. The title of the text is Fundamental Mathematics for Elementary and Middle School Teachers. May I please have permission to use the higher resolution version in my text? This is a very low budget production, with only about 400 copies being produced. Thanks for considering this request. You are a great photographer!

Betsy Darken, Professor of Mathematics, University of Tennessee at Chattanooga, Chattanooga, TN USA [email protected]

Thanks. That photo is indeed one of my favourites. I want to eventually make a living out of my photographs, so I feel obliged to ask some money for it, even if it's for only 400 copies. What about 20 euro? Of course under the strict condition that no more than 400 copies are made (including reprints, if any), and only in that book. Does that sound ok?

Ah, I see on your page at the UTC site that the book has already had a second edition, only 2 years ago. This makes my remark about reprints extra important. Do you expect any more editions/reprints?

Or maybe we could do a package deal, if there's also a chapter about spirals in the book - see Image:DirkvdM natural spiral.jpg. DirkvdM 14:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dirk,
That sounds manageable to me. I will get back to you on Monday about arranging payment. Of course this payment would be good only for this edition, for only 400 copies. If there is another edition or reprint, we would request permission again and pay another fee. My publishing company (Kendall/Hunt Pub. Co.), which specializes in custom publishing, is quite reputable.

Betsy

Great. I will email you, so you will also have my email address, and then we can work out details somewhat more in private. :) DirkvdM 07:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Would you consider changing the licensing to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/  ?

Hello Dirk van der Made,

I am interested in using your work: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DirkvdM_love-bugs.jpg

But was wondering if you had considered any of the Creative Commons licenses options specifically Attribution ShareAlike 2.5: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/

Please let me know if you would consider this.

Thank you, Kevin

Why? I still need to look into those licenses, and I have no idea which one to pick, really. What difference would it make to you (or me)? You can already use it freely, right? DirkvdM 19:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

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Voor mArt

U als mArt medewerker/vrijwilliger wordt hierbij gevraagd of u zou willen meewerken aan de organisatie van dit unieke voetbalspektakel (uiteraard tegen een vergoeding).

De bedoeling van de Copa del Media is de band tussen de verschillende media/tv-teams te bevorderen en te verstevigen, alsook de onderlinge band, de verstandhouding tussen de mArt medewerkers. Als u in welke vorm dan ook uw medewerking hieraan wilt verlenen, dan horen we dat graag vóór maandag 06 Augustus 2007.

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"Passive"

Hi Dirk. Can you explain what you mean in your question at the Humanities Desk? I'm not familiar with this term and, as you point out, Wikipedia doesn't seem to be familiar with it either! --Dweller 10:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Active voting right is the right to vote. Passive voting right is the right to be elected. Te word is a literal translation from the Dutch word 'passief kiesrecht'. Strangely, suffrage doesn't seem to deal with it, even though it is rather essential to a democracy. Only in the very last line (external links) is it mentioned. I can't find anything on this in Wikipedia, not just the word, but the whole subject. Which is strange - in the last year or so I have grown used to Wikipedia covering everything that is of any importance. Is this one of the last remaining major omissions in Wikipedia? Is there a task for us here? DirkvdM 11:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. I'll reply at the Desk. --Dweller 11:35, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Clio

You musn't mind my style. I can be a little cutting at times, but I assure you this is not intended to be taken personally. I'm in a particularly good mood just at the present, so I will try to draw my claws in future as far as you are concerned. All the best from super cat herself. Clio the Muse 22:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking at your user page I get the impression that, although complete opposites at the surface, we're alike in a way that is bound to lead to clashes. I have something similar with StuRat; politically we disagree completely, but that is only an incentive to have lengthy discussions during which our claws aren't always drawn, but blood sometimes is. :) But always with tongue firmly in cheek. With StuRat it helps that we are usually of one mind at the science ref desk. You and I don't have that advantage, but if you understand what I say here I'm sure we can coexist quite happily at the humanities ref desk.

So please do use your claws, but use them intellectually. DirkvdM 03:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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I realise I'm talking to a bot here, but it would make more sense if it pointed out where I forgot to sign, in case there is a structural cause for it. DirkvdM 09:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Medical advice on the Ref Desk

Dirk, please try to avoid offering medical advice on the Reference Desks as you did in this thread [1]. It's one of those things that Just Isn't Done around here. While I appreciate that you're just trying to help, offering up an anecdote like this can give the questioner the impression that you're giving a diagnoses or a prognosis for his condition.

Even offering opinions as to whether or not a condition is serious or dangerous isn't a good idea; giving the impression that we'll always tell people if their symptoms are serious may lead questioners to (inappropriately) rely on those evaluations.

Your cooperation in the future is appreciated, and your continued contributions to the Reference Desks are welcomed. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't medical advise. I just recounted something similar that happened to me and even mentioned that it was potentially dangerous. More effective than brushing people off with 'go see a doctor', I'd say. Please stop treating people as if they're morons. There are often questions about guns. A whole lot more dangerous. Why not fight that windmill? Or what about that recent discussion about the safety of someone's gas stove. With the lmited info available that person should never have received any advise. Look at what is really happening instead of blindly following the rules (which, btw, is also potentially dangerous - "Befehl ist Befehl" is a very bad attitude). DirkvdM 09:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Seriously? You want to draw comparisons between my request and the actions of Nazi war criminals? To clarify, I'm not 'blindly following the rules'. I'm quite capable of thinking for myself, and I recognize that the policy against medical advice exists for sound reasons and to achieve sensible aims. I'll briefly elaborate below; please take note that none of those aims involve the extermination of the Jews.

The reason why we discourage the giving of any medical advice on the Ref Desks (or anywhere else) is that such advice has such great potential for harm. That harm extends from the obvious physical harm that may result from bad advice, through emotional trauma associated with overly pessimistic advice, to harm to Wikipedia's reputation through being associated with bad advice (or just the general phenomenon of unqualified individuals playing doctor), to potential legal harm for the person who answered the question.

Offering up your anecdote – which, incidentally, doesn't even match the guy's symptoms – offered him a possible diagnosis (nerve damage) and prognosis (irreparable, no recovery)—exactly the sort of medical advice he asked for, and exactly what we're not supposed to offer. While I can see the appeal of offering answers that are designed to 'scare' people into seeing a doctor, it's a temptation that we have to avoid. The editors at the Ref Desk, by and large, aren't trained in medicine. (Though I know of one or two MDs who are probably shocked by some of the answers they see on a fairly regular basis.) Deciding whether or not an answer is too scary, sufficiently scary, or not scary enough to encourage someone to see a doctor in just the right amount of time without instilling unnecessary panic is beyond the training and qualifications of the people who write at the Desks.

In the real world, people don't go to the library reference desk and ask the librarian to look at the oozing sore on their finger. If they did, the librarian would send them to the walk-in clinic or emergency room down the street. By the same token, we don't encourage people to bring their injuries, ailments, and symptoms to our Reference Desk. Particularly over the internet – where we don't even have the opportunity to speak to the individual or see their symptoms firsthand – it behooves us to refer people to appropriate, qualified, competent medical professionals, and to discourage medical questions from coming to the Desk in the first place. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

If a kid had an injured finger and presented it to the Ref Desk librarian I suspect she would apply first aide (maybe some disinfectant and a Band-Aid) before sending the kid home with instructions to see a doctor. To do otherwise would be irresponsible. But, perhaps a better example of medical advice would be if someone came in sneezing, saying that they always sneeze for a few weeks at that time of year, and asked the librarian for help diagnosing their problem. The librarian might say "it could be an allergy, here's some books on allergies", and then recommend that they see a doctor. StuRat 21:51, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not talking about nazi criminals. I'm talking about those who were not considered criminals because they were 'just following the rules' given by the criminals. Anyway, it was not meant that seriously. But it was a warning that following rules for the sake of rules is potentially dangerous, because if enough people start acting like that, that will give breathing space for more dangerous elements. Without their minions, those war criminals would have been completely powerless. Btw, a comparison is not the same as saying things are the same, a very common mistake.

About the original issue, let me put it more succinct. I told him to go see a doctor. I was just cleverer about it. And again, it was just a comparison. I didn't say he had that, just that I had something similar. I refuse to assume the stupidity of others.

Are we librarians? Interesting thought. DirkvdM 06:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

DirkvdM, this topic is also being discussed at the Ref Desk Talk Page. StuRat 11:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Merrer

So why do you call American football "merrer"? I'm curious. Recury 19:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

If Asociation Football = Soccer then American Football = Merrer. DirkvdM 05:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Stationary in the Netherlands

Where's the cheapest place to get stationary in the Netherlands? In particular, I need "dividers" (http://i24.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/ba/8d/7dff_1.JPG). I havn't noticed any shops that specialise in stationary in NL but then I havn't been looking. They might not be cheapest place anyway... Any idea? Thanks! --Seans Potato Business 15:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't a clue about cheapest and that stuff can't be too expensive, can it? Unless you need really large amounts, for which a wholesaler might be a good idea. In Dutch, search for 'kantoorbenodigdheden' ('office necessities') in the Gouden Gids (yellow pages). In Maastricht, there's one at the eastern end of Grote Staat (centre of town), north side, I believe. Or else try V&D across the street or somewhere else in that pedestrian area (which extends across the old bridge). DirkvdM 18:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Please don't blank the template

For later reference, here's the thread this is about. And this link should work once it's been archived.

I know it's cute and clever and all to remove the boilerplate template (Template:rd-deleted) where a question has been removed from the Ref Desk and replace it with something sarcastic [2], but please don't. I'm not particularly attached to the template, and I don't care one way or the other if you have something funny to say. What does concern me is that by removing the template you've also removed the explanation left for the original question's poster—he's not going to know why his question was pulled, and he's going to have more trouble finding the relevant policies and guidelines. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I know it's cute and clever and all to remove a question from the Ref Desk and replace it with some template, but please don't. I wasn't particularly attached to the question and I don't care one way or the other if you have something destructive to do. What does concern me is that by removing the question you've also removed any reasonable means for others to have their say. I'm having problems finding the relevant policies and guidelines (because, like just about anyone else, I really can't be bothered)

See how irritating this is? That's all I wanted to say. DirkvdM 06:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

If you don't like the policy, take it up on the discussion page. Don't penalize the original poster of the question, who may not be familiar with our policies and guidelines, and who may be left confused as to why his question has disappeared and been replaced by jokes. If you'd prefer to replace the template with a personalized, courteous, non-sarcastic statement explaining our policies in each place where it is used, go ahead—just don't replace it with nothing. You're only pissing me off (your stated goal) to the extent that you're being unnecessarily rude to the original poster of the question. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

My stated goal is to do unto you what you do unto me and others. You're pissing a lot of people off. My intention is to explain in a personalised (so not a template), courteous and non-sarcastic manner that it is better to ask a doctor about certain things but you frustrate that by deleting posts so that it becomes practically impossible for me and others to respond because we can't see what there was to respond to (and don't give me the history-bull - if you don't understand that that is highly impractical you lack the brain to work on Wikipedia). If you don't like that, take it up on the discussion page if you wish. But don't penalise the original poster and hardworking volunteers who don't care about your policies and guidelines. This is not a joke. It's not funny at all. It's vandalism. DirkvdM 17:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I suppose I should be glad that you're just calling me a vandal instead of alluding to Nazi war crimes like the last time. If you want to suggest improvements to the template or modifications to policy, there are appropriate ways to do that. If you don't want to have a civil discussion, I don't think I have anything else to say. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

You still don't get the point. I want to have civilised discussions, but you get in the way. And what's that about nazi war crimes? DirkvdM 17:47, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

You really haven't gone out of your way to present yourself as someone interested in 'civilized discussions'. The last time we discussed medical advice on your talk page (about three sections up there ↑) you pulled out the quote "Befehl ist Befehl" ("Orders are orders"), most famously used by military and civilians in Nazi Germany to attempt to excuse their roles in committing atrocities. At the same time you accused me of failing to consider a situation and said that I was just "blindly following the rules".

This time around, you're blanking templates because you think they're rude and to try to "piss [me] off", without leaving any information or guidance for the person whose question was deleted (which, frankly, is even more rude and confusing). Your discussion hasn't been polite—it's been sarcastic. You're assuming that anyone who doesn't agree with your way of doing things "lack[s] the brain to work on Wikipedia". You blame me ("your policies and guidelines") for rules that have come out of a lot of painstaking discussion and negotiation involving a lot of editors, and use that to justify abusing me and ignoring both the rules and the lengthy discussion and reasoning behind them. You're accusing me of vandalism. If venting at me on your talk page lets you get your frustrations out that's fine; just don't let it spill on to the Ref Desks to annoy, confuse, and inconvenience innocent bystanders. And don't try to label your confrontational, rude, sarcastic discourse as 'civilized discussion'. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I still stand by what I said. I didn't call you a nazi war criminal, as you suggested. Not 'said', but certainly 'suggested', as was presumably your purpose - throwing mud now, and suggesting I am not interested in civilised discussions? Once again (sigh) it's you who delet4es stuff in such a way that others can't figure out what is going on. Have you read the comments on searching through the history in that thread? Quite pathetically, you hide behind the template, blaming it on that, but still using it. As I said, 'blindly following the rules'. Please don't let your bile spill over to the ref desk anymore. That's the place I was referring to when I talked about civilised discussions.

But you still don't seem to get it. I take your style and methods and throw them back in your face. Don't like that? Then what does that say about you? DirkvdM 18:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Sigh. DirkvdM 18:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

It's fine to disagree, but there's a right way and a wrong way to go about it- that's all I'm saying. Friday (talk) 18:53, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

And yours is the wrong way. You're gagging people (or blanking them, in your parlance). In how many ways can I tell thee. I'm copying your childish and arrogant behaviour to show you how irritating it is. DirkvdM 06:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I feel this link is important. a.z. 18:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that was several links away, but ok, the Wikiversity help desk is not as squeamish. Good. But then we'd have to send people off to another desk, which is a bit too bureaucratic. I'd rather see the one ref desk take over all questions on the Internet, just as Wikipedia could and should take over all info on the Internet one day. Yes, I'm a fervent inclusionist, and if everyone else were too, that would certainly happen. This is why I hate deletionists so much - they get in the way of creating the Grand Unified Encyclopedia (holding all human knowledge) that this could become. Bloody vandals. They should be deleted. See how they'd like that. :) See also this section on my user page. DirkvdM 18:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Ascension

"At the moment, [you said] ascension is a specific article. But as I explained at Talk:Ascension#Ascension (disambiguation) it would make more sense to make that the disambiguation page. I suggest having this discussion there, to keep it all in one place. DirkvdM 07:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Not if you maroon the article on the liturgical festival (and the biblical event it commemorates) as you have done, surely. Where can the article be found now? Masalai 09:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I replied on that talk page. DirkvdM 11:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Volapük

Just wanted to leave a short note of thanks for introducing me to the bizarro world of Volapük. This is why I go to Wikipedia. Donald Hosek 20:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

For the outstanding help you have given me and others

		The Special Barnstar
		For going the extra mile in your contributions to the Reference Desks lately. Your answers are consistently detailed and informative. --S.dedalus 01:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --S.dedalus 01:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! The ref desk section on my user page is getting a little crowded. :) DirkvdM 07:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Btw, I can't remember where, but in one thread I thought "given how touchy people can react to my straightforwardness, I hope I'm not pissing this guy of." Seems I didn't. Or if I did I must have made up big time. :) DirkvdM 07:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Hi. I just read your thoughts on trivia and I was wondering if you would be interested in this.

Here is a wikiproject proposal for trivia and a fresh look at trivia policy by the admins. Support the wikiproject proposal. Add your name to the list here: [wiki project proposal for wikitrivia]

Please send this link to other users that you feel would be interested. Thanks Ozmaweezer 18:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Course numbers

For reference, this is an answer to Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#101 (which will become Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Miscellaneous/2007 October 18#101 after archiving).

I figured I'd give a more complete breakdown of how my university (University of Evansville) handled course numbers here. We used 3-digit course numbers, with the first digit (1-4) corresponding roughly with the year of study. The latter two digits more-or-less ascend with difficulty, but only as a very rough guideline. For instance, my curriculum was based on page 11 of this pdf. You can see the general 1xx-4xx trend, though there are deviations -- for instance, math courses start at the 200 level because Engineering students are expected to have a higher-than-basic understanding of math already. The overall university catalog (page 208 in this case) notes that 100-level math courses are algebra and "survey of calculus", or "calculus for arts majors" (note that it doesn't satisfy the prerequisite for a 200-level math class). Engineers, on the other hand, jump into the 200-level calculus sequence. Further looking at the calculus sequence, why is it 221-222-323, particularly when the catalog shows no 201? Most likely, an older catalog had a different calculus sequence that started with 201. At some point, though, the curriculum was adjusted. Rather than making people keep up with whether they'd had old-style Math 201 or new-style Math 201, the new one became Math 211. The next revision then went to the (now current) Math 221. The third course (323) combines the notion of being an additional year advanced (the leading 3) with the notion of being part of a sequence (thus incrementing the trailing 22). Once out of the common sequences, though, number assignments become rather arbitrary. Note that the junior year in the first PDF provided shows generally unrelated course numbers, as these are all more independent of each other. There's minimal rational for the latter two numbers, though there are some two-part courses that are numbered consecutively (they're not shown on this page). For an alternative system, Vanderbilt University uses half the range of Evansville: 100-149, 150-199, 200-149, and 250-299 are the four undergraduate years, and 300 represents graduate-level coursework. The latter two digits follow similar patterns, and I expect that they remain quite similar in style across the US. Hope this helps! — Lomn 05:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But why did you put this on my user page, instead of the ref desk? Are you reluctant to make your studies too public? :) DirkvdM 06:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I just figured I'd not plaster that with the massive wall-o-text, and then I was too lazy to change my mind. — Lomn 19:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Despite not being lazy enough not to write the wall-o-text. I know the feeling. :) DirkvdM 05:58, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Using the ref desk to draw attention to a poll

Hello Dirk. The purpose of the Ref Desk talk page is to discuss issues relating to the Desks. Not the other way around. However, if you choose to attempt to draw wider attention to the poll by placing a message on one of the Desks, could you at least do it in a slightly more meaningful way. i.e. put it somewhere static t the top of the page, avoid the rainbow colouration, and title it something a little less offensive (even if that is the section title used on the talkpage, it doesn't mean we have to propagate the potentially offensive language elsewhere). Thanks. Rockpocket 07:38, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I copied the title and used the colours to make it easier to find for people and make it clearer what it was about. Maybe not necessary, a link would have sufficed. I would indeed have preferred to put it under the sidebar, where Froth put the collaboration note. But I don't know how to do that. Why didn't Froth put a message there this time? If you know how to do this, could you please? DirkvdM 08:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I see I reverted your revert. I pondered on it, decided against it, but probably hit 'enter' or something. Sorry. (Wikipedia is also acting up, for which reason I have several windows open, which might be part of the cause.) Still, a message should be somewhere because most ref desk users will not know about the poll else. DirkvdM 08:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and if you put a message below the sidebar, could you make clear it's about the sidebar, not the colour scheme? Something like "Do you like or dislike the above many coloured sidebar? Vote on the talk page." With a link there. Thanks. DirkvdM 08:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I know what you mean about WP playing up, I'm having all sorts of trouble. I left it with a minor edit, but Tagisimon deleted it again. I don't know how to, personally, but perhaps Froth could be convinced to add a little link to the sidebar itself? Though, if someone cares enough about the colour schemes they will come to the talk page to complain about it. It looks like there is no consensus for the change anyway, so I expect it will change back soon. Rockpocket 16:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Note that the opponents only started pouring in after I placed that message. Could be a coincidence, but I suspect it's that they had already had their say in the thread above it, so they didn't check again until they learned through my message that there was a poll. DirkvdM 16:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

SHOUTING on the Ref Desk

Hi Dirk. When you're chastising a newbie for using all-caps on the Ref Desk (or anywhere on Wikipedia), could you try to be a little more polite about it? I doubt that the poster was deliberately trying to be rude. He most likely had his 'elbows on the table', as it were, because nobody ever explained to him that aspect of netiquette. A friendly explanation of why ALL CAPS isn't appropriate and a request not to do it again is, hopefully, all that's necessary to keep him from making the same mistake again. (See an example here.) I'd much rather he come away from the experience thinking, "Oh. They're right; I shouldn't do that anymore, and I can see why it might be annoying." instead of "THOSE GUYS ON WIKIPEDIA ARE MEAN. WHY DON'T THEY LIKE ME?" TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I've asked for a neutral third party to review your (and my) conduct here, since I don't think you particularly care for my opinion or comment. Discussion is here. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

A quick check shows that the user is from New Dehli, India. They are likely not accustomed to writing in English, or may have different standards when communicating with other Indians in English. Some understanding would be appropriate. Leebo ^T/C 17:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Note that I didn't say the user was unfamiliar with English, just that they may have differing standards of communicating. The fact is that you really can't say for sure why they used all caps, all you can do is politely tell them how you interpreted it. This is why AGF exists. Leebo ^T/C 19:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

It's very confusing to have this discussion in three different places. Let's stick to a 'neutral ground', the OK coral admin noticeboard. DirkvdM 06:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Tailgating on the above thread

I wasn't born in the Netherlands, but I have lived here for 16 years, so perhaps that's why I was the only one who saw the situation as you did. This even spilled over onto my talk page after I posted on Ani. Wikipedia often reminds me of Invasion of the Body Snatchers in its relentless browbeating of individuals to conform to the will of the collective. For what it's worth, if being called rude is the worst thing anybody who comes to Wikipedia ever experiences in his or her life...well, then they haven't lived much of a life. Jeffpw 21:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Guess Who!

I was just teasing you about the European work ethic thing. I'm just wondering how obvious it is to how many people that I am who I obviously am.

We really got off to a terrible start way back almost two years ago.

I've learned alot since then. You're not my enemy, you're just a charmingly irritating left-wing pinko Dutchman who disagrees with me on practically every minor issue, yet agrees with me on the most fundamental ones of all, one of those being that our omniscient historian friend is in reality a socially retarded revisionist fraud.

All hail Clio the all-knowing!

Serinmort 21:53, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Now this has to be the most puzzling message I ever got on my talk page. More so than the old study mate who recognised my writing style on the ref desk (aided by my user name, of course).

I remember the pinko thing because I had to look that up (a misnomer, btw - communism is all-out or it isn't, therefore it isn't). Are you Loomis then? [3] No, that was less than a year ago. Funny thing is, when you said we agree on one of the most fundamental things, I expected you were going to say exactly what Loomis says there, something I totally agree with, as you can see in my reply under the header 'Clio' hereabove. I am trying to get Clio to adopt the same attitude and, though as yet to a much lesser extent than with the likes of StuRat, it seems to be working. Whether she is 'socially retarded', well, I imagine that in the real world out there she has a close circle of friends that will not grow unless she learns not to turn up her nose at pretty much anyone else. Revisionist? I suppose you mean something like the bottom meaning of the word, applied to history, which she would then probably regard as the top one. The thing is, I haven't seen (m)any serious challenges to factual stuff she tells, so I'll assume she's usually correct. Interpretations are a completely different thing, though. It's something historians should refrain from as much as possible, but it's the most fun part of the field. What if ... ? (Also the basis for science fiction (no, not Star Trek or (oh, horror) Star Wars, but more like Asimov).) And it's in this field that we have most of our clashes, but afaic (as far as I'm concerned) that's the fun bit. I'm still not sure if she has the same pleasure.

Next, me. I'm not left-wing. For more detail on that, see my last entry in this discussion (again with Clio - omniscient or not, she does appear to be omnipresent). Also read this.

Lastly, you. Who the fuck are you then? (obviously ... ) I have met hundreds of people here over the years and, as in real life, most either love me or hate me or aren't sure which. So I've had lots of confrontations, and 'almost two years ago' is a bit too vague. At that time I was all over the place on Wikipedia. "I'm just wondering how obvious it is to how many people that I am who I obviously am". What, in the real world, you mean? Are you some celebrity? DirkvdM 08:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, Dirk, but Serinmort won't be able to answer. See User_talk:TenOfAllTrades#Clio. Take care. ---Sluzzelin talk 10:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

ME/CVS Vereniging

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Ironically, it is precisely this deletinism that has made me decide not to participate in Wikipedia anymore. See the message at the top of my user page. DirkvdM 18:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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Images

Hallo Dirk. I noticed a couple of your lovely images, but this post is not to tell you that. Some of your images have been included in articles with a credit to yourself: Hortus Botanicus (Amsterdam) and Victoria (waterlily) being one example appearing twice. On my way to this page I notice that you have a photo sales sub-page. You should be aware that neither of these practices is considered to be acceptable. Regards, cygnis insignis 16:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

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You are missed

I just wanted to say that we miss you at the refdesks. I do understand how you feel about deletionism, it really gets my goat too. So, I do wish you all the best, and if ever you feel able to return you would be very welcome! Take care, DuncanHill (talk) 13:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. But I also happen to be very busy with setting up an inventors bureau, so even if the deletionist issue didn't exist I wouldn't have much time for Wikipedia now. Maybe one day I'll 'get over it' and return to the refdesk. DirkvdM (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I also hope you return some day. --Taraborn (talk) 12:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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Still reading?

Hi DirkvdM,

Many people remember you as an active contributor to the reference desks. Do you still read Wikipedia while logged into your account, I wonder? --Bowlhover (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Funny, I was used to always being automatically logged in but I just now noticed I wasn't logged in, and then when I did I noticed there was a message asking about my logging in. :) Anyway, yeah, I still regularly look up things in Wikipedia. Having been an active editor I know how articles come about and know I have to take things with a grain of salt, but it's still the best single source of information on the Internet by far. Only when I need more detail do I look elsewhere, and that often through the links at the bottom of articles.

But I have stopped contributing, largely because of the annoying activity of deletionists (see the red box on my user page and the subsequent thoughts on Wikipedia for how it should be done), but also because I'm in the middle of something different - I'm setting up an inventors bureau, getting together a group of people with different expertises, so they can fill in the gaps in each other's knowledge, with the goal of obtaining patents, for which we could then issue licences. Still in a very early stage, but I've gathered some interesting people, so it might very well lead to something. All very exciting and not unlike the ref desk, figuring things out. Except that I'm boss now. :)

Anyway, thanks for thinking about me. :) DirkvdM (talk) 08:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me of your response.  :) I've read your userpage when the red box was at the very top, so I knew about your reason for leaving. I also spent a few hours reading about the affair between Clio, Loomis, A.Z., and StuRat. It's a situation I still don't completely understand, as I never thoroughly investigated Clio's or Loomis' credibility.

I wish you well in operating the inventors' bureau. Which types of devices are you focusing on? You have an engineering background, right?

About Wikipedia: I still read it every day, and I've probably learned more here than I ever did in school. (My knowledge of relativity, quantum mechanics, European history, the USSR, and so on came only from Wikipedia.) Since I usually read articles on subjects I know nothing about, I miss all errors except POV and obvious mistakes.

I agree that the reference desks contributors should welcome more posts then they do now. After all, with practically unlimited disk space, why not keep interesting but uninsulting/undisturbing material? --Bowlhover (talk) 15:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The bureau doesn't focus on anything in particular. A big company's R&D department focuses on the sort of thing that company produces and a single inventor will focus on his own expertise. But we have no such limitations, so anyone can come up with any sort of idea and then see if any problems he has with it can be solved by any of the others. This might lead to anything, even something that has nothing to do with the original idea, sort of like the way discussions can go anywhere on the ref desk, depending on what those 'present' happen to know. The idea was it should be a bit like a wiki, all very democratic, but I'm now finding out somebody has to play boss. And that's me. It seems even intelligent people want to be told what to do. I said "I'm boss now" as a joke but it turns out to be truer than I intended it to be. A new role for me, one I have no experience in, but then I've always claimed I'm good at new things, so playing boss should be no problem. :)

I also tried recruiting Dutch Wikipedians, but then I got acused of spamming, and even blocked for 15 minutes. I thought that Wikipedians with technical knowledge would generally be very interested in this sort of thing, but then that initiative was cut short by other Wikipedians who had nothing to do with it. Sound familiar? DirkvdM (talk) 06:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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Timeline of space exploration

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your Photos' viewer

File:Dscn6245 wikipedia.jpg

Hello, I found a photo on wikipedia that linked to your photo page. I found a photo of your window which you say i was from a series about window of yours. My name's Duc. I am an artist in Vietnam. I have a project called 'windows' which shows everybody's view from the windows of their own. I would like to contact with you so that i can say more about that. Hope you could get this message and that i can talk to you soon. This is the link to my web page: http://flyingbay.googlepages.com/windows_about Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.162.3.156 (talk) 18:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you mean this picture? You're free to use it. DirkvdM (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Individual presentation

Hi there,

I am doing a presentation as part of my research on deforestation. As slash and burn is one of the major factors that contribute to deforestation I would like to use this picture as a visual. Would this be possible?

Thanks M.J Maka —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.84.130 (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean this one? That, or any other photo at my commons page can be used freely by anyone, provided you give me the credit for it ("Photo taken by Dirk van der Made"). Note that all these photos are of reduced quality. They will suit most people for most purposes, but professionals might want to get the original, for which they would then have to pay. That's the idea; you make money with my photo, then I should get some too. If you don't, feel free to use it. Maybe then some professional will notice my name, which might lead to a sale. So far, though, I have made 20 euro, selling one photo. In 5 years. Not quite enough to live on. :) DirkvdM (talk) 06:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

your glasswing butterfly photos

Dear Mr. van der Made:

Good morning. I am a reporter for Audubon Magazine, the journal of the National Audubon Society in the U.S. (If you are not familiar with our publication, visit the magazine's website at http://audubonmagazine.org.)

We are currently working on a photo essay for our website on the glasswing butterfly (Greta oto) and were hoping to use some of your photos (we will, of course, credit them to you). Would you be willing to give us permission?

(see source for address) Thank you for your help, and I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Alexa Schirtzinger Reporter Audubon Magazine (212) 979-3153 (office)

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.136.24.2 (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC) 

A Little Invite

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Note to myself

Yet to ask at the ref desk, but first find out more. Is Suse going the microsoft way? Some examples:

• A 'downloads complete' message appearing when a download (even a minor one) is complete. Yes, I know. I'm not a moron. And I don't see a way to stop this stupid message from appearing.
• Similar: 'Suse Updater' asking "Do you want to check online for updates?" Can't get rid of this either.
• File system checks at startup by fsck, saying "[such and such partition] has gone 60 days without being checked, check forced". Which can be dangerous, 'repairing' stuff it can't repair, effectively destroying info, I understand. But also annoying because that check sometimes takes half an hour, during which time I can't use my computer (however much I need to). A more logical time to do this would be at shut-down. But agian, I don't see how to alter this behaviour.

Do all distros suffer from this? In other words, is it done by the kernel (linux itself) or by something else? And does this have anything to do with Suse making alliances with Microsoft? DirkvdM (talk) 10:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

And another (double) question I still want to ask:

Computer as hd video recorder

I was thinking about buying a hard disk video recorder, but then I thought I could also do with a new computer and was wondering if I couldn't combine the two. But I find it surprisingly difficult to find info on hd video recorders. Our hard disk recorder article is about audio recording. And the only other thing I can find is digital video recorder, which is Either I don't find anytjhing or I am directed towards dvd recorders, which is something entirely different.

.... I want to buy a new computer, hard disk recorder and tv and was wondering if I can't combine those, since I already have them side by side. (I will ask about the tv/monitor in the next question.) What advantages would a hd recorder have that I couldn't get (for the same price) in a computer? If a standalone recorder is just a matter of convenience, I might not need that. Although I don't want to put too much time into it, but I've already built a computer twice and am fairly Also note that I would want to (later) be able to run Linux on it.

What would be advantages of the one over the other? Most notably, from which would I get more for the same price? Say for around 500 euro. For example, I would like to be able to record several tv stations at once. Which solution would be better for that? Or what about editing and skipping commercials? And image sizes? (That also comes up in the next thread.) Oh, and if I go for a dedicated hd recorder, of course I want to be able to transfer files to my computer. In general, what sort of connections would I need?

In short, can anyone suggest either a hd recorder or a package of hard- and software that is not too difficult to put together for someone with some, but not too much, experience? Preferably under Linux, but since I also need a computer to run Photoshop msWindows will also do.

Combined monitor/tv

What connections and functionality would I require and what could also be useful? Why do prices appear to make a big leap over 26"? Is it that much more expensive to make them bigger? It appears that I need 1366x768p for tv. But of course if I want to use 26" or more as a computer monitor I want much more than that (about twice, I'd say). Does this mean that lcd's that are meant for tv are not fit as computer monitors?

DirkvdM (talk) 17:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

´´´Mandriva´´´
system settings > advance user settings > session manager: offer shutdown options: wat is dat?
system settings > personal > regional > keyboard > advanced: dat heb ik nodig om de winkey startkey te maken. Maar dat moet ik als root doen, en hoe dan ook weer?
system settings > system > login manger: al vraag over gesteld
system settings > system > policy kit: lijkt me belangrijk, maar nog bekijken.
system settings > computer administration > display > size: zit 1600 x 1000 niet tussen, al weet ik niet of dat de beste is, maar 1200 en 900 zijn ook niet goed.
system settings > computer administration > keyboard and mouse > shortcuts
verder ook kijken in Mandriva Control Centre, dat niet in het menu staat, maar in de system tray (of hoe heet dat?)
login als root mogelijk maken zou gaan door in etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc een regel te veranderen in "allowrootlogin=true". Dat zou kunnen door in het Control Centre een console te openen. Maar die file bestaat helemaal niet.

VLC: ¨something doesnt like it when something goes online without something¨. After that, it seemed to open, but then crashed. On a second attempt, that happened again, but without the messaage (which is why I cant remember it too well). Next, I tried Mplayer, which crashed instantly. Next, I tried Movie Player, which requires an mpeg-2 system stream demuxer. When I click install I get some shop message, and when I try the Mandriva alternative, the movie wont play. Dragon.....

Konqueror: View > View properties: daar kan ik instellen áll folders en use as default.

Seamonkey is geen package.

Andere distros

- Arch Linux: kiss, maar vanuit ontwikkel-oogpunt, bijvoorbeeld weinig guiś. - Red Hat: is niet gratis? Kan dat? - CetOS: een gratis variant van Red Hat, loopt wel een beetje achter. - Debian: relatively strict adherence to the Unix and free software philosophies. Many distributions are based on Debian, including Ubuntu, MEPIS, Dreamlinux, Damn Small Linux, Xandros, Knoppix, BackTrack, Linspire, sidux, Kanotix, Parsix and LinEx, among others. Standaard Gnome, maar KDE kan ook. - Fedora, a community distribution sponsored by Red Hat. Linus gebruikt het, maar voor de architectuur-ondersteuning. MythDora: based around MythTV's media center capabilities. - Gentoo: Unlike a conventional software distribution, the user compiles the source code locally according to their chosen configuration. Gentoo package management is designed to be modular, portable, easy to maintain, flexible, and optimized for the user's machine. Gentoo describes itself as a metadistribution, "because of its near-unlimited adaptability" Geen graphical installer! Is het ook voor de rest console-based? Installatie (compilatie) kan uren duren of zelfs dagen op oude machines. Uit het handboek: you can compile your entire system from scratch or use a prebuilt environment to have your Gentoo environment up and running in no time. And of course you have intermediate solutions in which you don't compile everything but start from a semi-ready system.

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Window manipulation

I posted an additional bit to your question about window terminology; as it's off the Desk, I mention it here. --Tardis (talk) 16:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

On mounting an external filesystem in Suse, and on asking technical questions in general

Hi Dirk! Although I understand your frustration about using a lot of time when some piece of software refuses to do what it ought to do, I don't think it's a good idea to complain about it on the refdesk. Believe me - I've been there. I've spent countless hours of trying to make really simple things work. Sometimes successfully, sometimes only barely (midi audio sequencing can be quite a challenge in linux), and other times not at all (I realized that making wireless cards that weren't preconfigured work, would drive me nuts, and bought access points instead). As you, a very prolific contributor, who has devoted many, many hours to helping others on the refdesks very well know, we're volunteers. Whining about your precious time won't encourage others to spend theirs on helping you. There is a well known essay that you maybe have read: How to ask questions the smart way. I re-read it now, and I think it's wise to do so once it a while, especially before posting technical questions.

I asked a technical question here recently: X11 in minimal Debian installation. It got only one response (brief, though relevant). Although I'm sure the question could have been asked smarter, I don't think I was being ignored, but that maybe I chose the wrong forum - it may have been too technical for WP:RD/C.

The problems that remain to get the setup that you want, appear to be two:

1. To be able to install programs on your netbook independently of the DVD, and without buying an external DVD drive.
2. To mount a directory tree of one of your machines in the filesystem of the other.

Regarding (1): I have already given you a pointer on how to do this, but since I haven't got a Netbook with Suse on it, I can't try it out for you. Do so, and try to install an unrelated program that currently isn't installed, from a web-based repository. If you after making an effort are unable to, post a question telling what you want to achieve, and what you have done. Be very precise when asking - I had to do some guesswork to give the answers I've given, you'll get better answers if you make it as easy as possible for the reader. And don't give unnecessary info. Don't make it a diary of your hopes and expectations, disappointments and frustrations.

Regarding (2): As I've already said, I have no experience with NFS. It isn't installed on the machine I'm using now, and since my purpose is having a minimal install, I won't install it. Therefore I cannot help you out on this one, but others might be able to.

The thread has become quite long, and I don't think there will be more answers from other contributors. Moreover, it will soon hit the archives. So I think it's a better idea to post the two questions, separately, and in a focussed way in the spirit of the essay I linked to.

Example(1): I have a xxx.yyy Netbook (that came with?) Suse aa.bb installed. The Netbook has a wired connection to the internet through a Linksys ee.ff router, and browsing the web works fine. I would like to install packages from a web-based repository, but the netbook asks for the installation media when I try to install packages that aren't already there (quote error message). (Insert whatever you have done to remove the DVD from the list of repositories). How can I make the Netbook fetch packages from a web-based repository?

Maybe you'll get a better answer on linuxquestions.org or a suse forum than here.

Example(2): I have a uuu.vvv Desktop with Suse cc.dd installed (by you or preconfigured?), and a xxx.yyy Netbook with Suse aa.bb installed (by you or preconfigured?). Both have a wired connection to a Linksys ee.ff router, which is connected to the internet. Both can browse the web without any problems. I would like to mount the directory tree (/aaa) on the (Desktop? Netbook?) as if it were part of the fileystem of the (Netbook? Desktop?). Both machines have a firewall running. I would be grateful for pointers on how to proceed.

I'm sorry that I couldn't be of more help, but I'm sure the combination of a little patience, and asking the right questions in the right forums will get you where you want. I would very much like hearing from you when you've solved this, and hearing how you got the information you need. All the best. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 20:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

PS: In case you go to your talk page first because of the message notification, I've commented some of the other points in the thread at WP:RD/C. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 11:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Good point about complaining. I try to write down what I do while I do it, get frustrated, write that down (more for myself) and then have to weed out those bits by the time I have figured something out and rewrite it for a more condensed version. Which I don't always comletely do. About unnecessary info: if I don't know where the problem lies I don't know which info might be useful, so I try to be as complete as possible. Still, point taken.

The problem is not installing software - I can do that over the Internet, as you indeed suggest. I want to be able to install a different version of Suse that I am more familiar with. I thought that would be possible with a usb stick, but a technician at a computer shop told me that even other experts he knew who tried failed. Though I suspect now he was talking about msWindows. A better option would be from the hard disk. I have never done that, but believe it should not be too difficult. But then I'd have to copy files from the pc. Which brings me back to the original problem. I thought about an installation over the Internet, but for that I believe I would still need to burn some 'start files' on cd, so that doesn't solve the problem. And anyway it would be rather wasteful since I already have the lastest version (11.0) and 11.1 is probably due any moment now.

As you say, maybe I should go to a more specialised forum.

Btw, I no longer give much help at the ref desks. I have done a whole lot of that until a year ago, but no longer have the time for that. I am now sort of 'cashing in on the credits I gathered'. :)

There's just one more thing over at the ref desk thread (how to address the local pc with ssh) and then I'll be able to use ssh. In the meantime, I'll have a look at that NFS page I found. Again, thanks a lot for your help. DirkvdM (talk) 12:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure! I read in the thread now that you got NFS working, and I'm very happy that you persisted. I wrote an update to the comment that I wrote from work today. For some reason it appeared above your entry, even though yours was posted about half an hour earlier. (The 'pedia is extremely slow from here now, for some reason). Anyway, I updated the info on sftp, and answered your question about ssh -X. But if you've got NFS working, the problem is solved. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 20:15, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hong Kong Educational Museum wants to purchase license of your North Tamandua photo

Hi Dirk,

I am a photo researcher for the Hong Kong Noah's Ark Exposition, scheduled to open in 2009.

The museum would be run on a non-profit basis and it is mainly for educational purpose, to raise public awareness of environmental problems we are facing now, such as climate change. In one section, we would like to introduce how beautiful our amazing planet is. We want to show your photo so our visitors may learn what an anteater looks like.

the photo captions: A Northern Tamandua anteater (Tamandua mexicana) near the southern coastal track at Parque Nacional Corcovado, Costa Rica Original filename: 040327_7781.jpg

Questions:

1. Would it be possible that we use your photo for free? If you need to collect license fee, how much? and how we can pay you? 2. Could we buy the perpetual license for our permanent educational exhibit? We would not re-publish or resell it for profit. 3. Is Dirk van der Made the correct attribution for the photo?

I would appreciate if you can reply to me as soon as possible as we have to meet deadlines at the moment....Thanks!

Sophie Leung email: <removed> tel: (852) 3580 8681 Hong Kong Noah's Ark Exposition —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.48.128.157 (talk) 03:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be Image:DirkvdM_tamandua.jpg. I will answer you at the address you provided. DirkvdM (talk) 09:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

A Picture of Canopy Walk

Hello Dirk van der Made!

My name is Munirah Tunai. I am a graphic designer from Studio Voxel, Malaysia. I am contacting you regarding your picture of a canopy walk. ((A canopy walkway disappearing into a cloud forest near Santa Elena, Costa Rica. Original filename: 3529.jpg {{dvdm-h6}} ) I would like to use it as example of proposal for an environmental project. So we require the picture of it in a quality which is good to print. The resolution must be at least 300dpi. Please let us know how we can go about it so that we can use the picture in the proposal. Would you like us to credit you? Or are you going to charge us for the rights? Please contact me as soon as possible. We need the picture latest by Sunday. Sincere apologies for the rush but we have a very tight deadline to adhere to. Thank you in advance for your co-operation.

Best Regards, Munirah Tunai Studio Voxel MALAYSIA

A Picture of Canopy Walk

Hello Dirk van der Made!

Sorry, please contact me at this e-mail address:

[removed]

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewney83 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Valkyrie

Can you provide a citation for the Nova information so it can be verified by other readers? Saying that it is from the program does not help; it needs to be more specific. In addition, the Stauffenberg son's quote is already mentioned halfway through the first paragraph of "Germans' response to production". —Erik (talk • contrib) 16:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

My talk page is not the place to discuss this, so I'll move it to the article's talk page. DirkvdM (talk) 19:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You maybe interested in the Article Rescue Squadron

Article Rescue Squadron

I notice that you are part of Category:Inclusionist_Wikipedians. I would like you to consider joining the Article Rescue Squadron. Rescue Squadron members are focused on rescuing articles for deletion, that might otherwise be lost forever. I think you will find our project matches your vision of Wikipedia.

Ikip (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Unsigned comment

woow...beautiful shots... your pictures opens up new spaces to

 freedom  thanks!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.66.108.230 (talk) 22:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC) 

Japanese cameras

Moved from my user page.

Ever noticed how almost all the (major) camera brands are Japanese?
Canon, Casio, Epson, Fuji, Kyocera, Minolta, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax, Ricoh, Sigma, Sony and Toshiba are all Japanese.
Samsung is Korean, Agfa, Hasselblad, Leica and Zeiss(/Ikon) are European and Kodak, Hewlett Packard and Polaroid are from the US.
The only non-Japanese mainstream dedicated camera-brands are Agfa and Kodak.

DirkvdM (talk) 08:46, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for Mountaineering and Climbing Project

Hi, my name is Jarhed and I am an amateur rock climber and mountaineer. I recently reviewed some of the articles on these subjects, and I believe that they could use the attention of interested editors such as yourself. I have proposed a new project on these topics and I am interested in your opinion. You can find the proposal here: Mountaineering and Climbing Project Proposal. Thank you for your time, and have a great day.Jarhed (talk) 21:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know anything about mountaineering. Maybe you thought of me because of my edits in hiking related articles, but that interest doesn't extend to mountaineering. Sorry. DirkvdM (talk) 06:22, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

A study on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies

Hi. I would like to ask whether you would agree to participate in a short survey on how to cover scientific uncertainties/controversies in articles pertaining to global warming and climate change. If interested, please get in touch via my talkpage or email me Encyclopaedia21 (talk) 15:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Peter Schunck head.jpg

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Hello,Dirk.I am Purz12,and I have been editing Wikipedia for almost two weeks. About your question on the disscusion page on jai alai,your friend was correct,but there are also single player games.I know alot about jai alai,so don't hesitate to ask me any questions!!!You can ask me them on my talk page,and I will give you the answers on yours Thank you,Purz12 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purz12 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Asking for a specific photo

Dear Mr. van derMade, Thank you for letting people use your wiki photos. I am a teacher at a secondary school in Cadiz, southern Spain. I am preparing some interactive exercises for my students and I wondered if you had a photo of an Ant-eater eating ants. It will be very useful for me and my students.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by CurroCerquella (talk • contribs) 09:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

No, sorry, I don't. And sorry about the late reaction. DirkvdM (talk) 10:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Getting to know Panamá City

I've never been in Panamá City. Could you give some hints about best season in year to visit that country? My email reads maattheus at yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.162.184 (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Pee wee and the specials

A tag has been placed on Pee wee and the specials requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for musical topics. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Claritas (talk) 08:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I put the following on the talk page after the page had already been deleted, so I'm not sure if the talk page will keep existing.

This article was deleted before I had the chance to react to the note that it might be. Why is it worth having this article? The band existed and the article doesn't get in the way of people who are not interrested in it. I can't think of a better reason for having the article. DirkvdM (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Pee Wee and the Specials

All articles on Wikipedia, with very few exceptions, have to meet the guideline of WP:NOTABILITY or the relevant notability policy, which is in this case WP:BAND. It was my judgement and that of the administrator who deleted the article that the article did not meet these criteria, and also, that you did not suggest in any way in the text of the article how this subject met the criteria - you made no claim of notability. WP:ITEXISTS and WP:NOHARM are not good reasons to have an article. I've tagged the article's talk page for deletion, because it serves no purpose now the article has been deleted. Claritas (talk) 11:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I will now definitely (again) stop editing Wikipedia. Terrible shame. It could have grown into the biggest collection of information in the world. With the deletionists rampaging through Wikipedia I suppose someone else will now have to start that. And someonde will eventually if Wikipedia continues like this. Alas that might take some time. Then again, one can use Wikipedia as a starting point, so that shouldn't be too difficult. That's what's so great about Open Source. All that is needed is the funding, and that might turn out to be a problem. The next really free encyclopedia might be financed through advertising. which (I repeat myself) would be a terrible shame.

Btw, if you like the rules so much, then why not follow them? Why create a new header, splitting the thread? DirkvdM (talk) 11:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Ubuntu

Hi - perchance are you the Dirk van der Made with ubuntu display resolution problems? KeepItSimpleEngineer (talk) 22:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that's me. However, I have now switched to Linux Mint. Where I encountered the same problem, which I solved by simply copying the xorg,conf file from my previous (Suse) installation. So that would have worked with Ubunt as well, I suppose, but Ubuntu had some other issues as well, so for now I'll stick with Mint (stick with mint - chewing gum?), even though that has issues of its own, but then this is not a perfect world. :) DirkvdM (talk) 10:11, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Vuurwerk Glaspaleis

Beste Dirk,

Tussen jou schitterende foto's ontdekte ik ook een hele mooi afbeelding van het glaspaleis te Heerlen. Uniek vanwege het vuurwerk in combinatie met de compositie en het zwart wit effect. Als achterkleinkind van Peter Schunck spreekt de foto extra aan.Het zou mooi zijn deze foto te bemachtigen. Misschien kun je me hierbij helpen?

Alvast hartelijk dank voor je respons,

Met vriendelijke groet,

Arnout Janssen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.205.187 (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, jij bent dus 413. Grappig, kwam je eerst mijn fotos tegen en realiseerde je je toen pas wie ik ben?

Wat die fotos betreft, die staan op Wikipedia in een behoorlijk groot formaat, 5630 x 4188 en 4199 x 5655, hier:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glaspaleis_fireworks_1.jpg
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glaspaleis_fireworks_2.jpg

Zijn dat de fotos die je bedoelt? DirkvdM (talk) 07:31, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Vuurwerk Glaspaleis

Hallo Dirk,

Via link Schunck kwam ik uiteindelijk bij jouw foto´s. Ben inderdaad nummertje 413. Grappig dat je op deze manier in contact met elkaar komt! Foto´s vuurwerk zijn inderdaad degene die ik bedoel. Wellicht wil ik jpg2 uitvergroten tot poster formaat. Heb de foto inmiddels gedownload en uitgepakt wordt deze in PS ca 22 mb. Dit is inderdaad best een behoorlijke omvang. Maar als je nog een groter bestand weet dan is dit welkom, anders zal ik het dmv wat trucs wat oppeppen...

Allez, alvast bedankt voor je medewerking,

Groeten,

Arnout —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.205.187 (talk) 14:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

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Request for a picture in a better quality for student magazine

Dear Mister von der Made, we would like to get the Picture of the Photograph "DirkvdM santa fe scorched.jpg". We want to use the Picture for the non-profit University-Magazine of the University of Applied Sciences Hamburg (4000 copies). We write an article about the rainforest and its destruction. Your photography would be perfect for the article. But we would need it in a higher quality. It would be very nice, if we could use the picture in a better quality for free in our student magazine. Of course we drop your name as the author of the picture (copyright). If we could get the Photography, then please send it to [email protected]. We are able to receive up to 4 MB.

Thank you very much and greetings from Hamburg,

Michel Molenda Pressoffice HAW Hamburg 49.40.428 75-9132 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.100.253.253 (talk) 14:52, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Rain pants

Hi Dirk, I noticed a redlink for rain pants on Hiking equipment, so I quickly drafted something at User:Jodi.a.schneider/Rain pants. Any interest in improving that? Or ideas for where to recruit some help? Thanks for any thoughts! Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Adrift: 76 Days Lost At Sea for deletion

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Rain pants

Hey, thanks for your notes on Talk:Rain pants. I only noticed those today, after I moved the article to mainspace. :) Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 16:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

File:Cuba Camagüey-1.jpg

Hello, I believe the street that leads to the church on this photo is Hermanos Agüero (N21.3798 W77.9230). Tango7174 (talk) 20:06, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Heerlen photo gallery

Hello, DirkvdM, and thanks for contributing to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that some editors are discussing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heerlen photo gallery whether the article Heerlen photo gallery should be in Wikipedia. I encourage you to comment there if you think the article should be kept in the encyclopedia.

The deletion discussion doesn't mean you did something wrong. In fact, other editors may have useful suggestions on how you can continue editing and improving Heerlen photo gallery, which I encourage you to do. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at the Help Desk.

Thanks again for your contributions! Jncraton (talk) 16:53, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Heerlen photo gallery

Hello, DirkvdM, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia!

I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you worked on, Heerlen photo gallery, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:

1. edit the page
2. remove the text that looks like this: {{proposed deletion/dated...}}
3. save the page

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AfD and PROD notifications

Hi DirkvdM,

Back in November, you got either an AfD or PROD notification, which was part of the template testing project's experiments. If you could go here and leave us some feedback about what you think about the new versions of the templates we tested (there are links to the templates), that would be very useful. (You can also email me at mpinchukwikimedia.org if you want.) Thanks! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Licensing your Image

Hi there,

We are interested in licensing your image for use in our film. We are creating a short film that will screen at a non-profit children's museum in Saudi Arabia. If possible, we'd like to receive the highest resolution version you have of this image. Please contact me at the email below so I can better explain our project and show you our licensing agreement.

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best, Ali

Ali Batwin | batwin robin productions 151 West 19th Street | 10th Floor New York, NY 10011 | 212.243.0229 office 212.229.1616 fax | 917.697.2572 cell

[email protected] http://www.batwinandrobin.com

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Photo usage

Hi, I've been working on a small game built around animal quizzes and I wanted to let you know I've used one of your pictures.

I found your picture here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DirkvdM_tamandua.jpg

And I attributed the picture like this: Dirk van der Made with this link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:DirkvdM and also added a link to the license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en

I hope you're happy with it, please let me know if this is not the case. You can find the game here: http://apps.facebook.com/animalalbum Or through here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/AnimalAlbum/156339584490672

Kind regards, Garfunkel Jansen (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for taking the picture and making it available.

You're welcome. DirkvdM (talk) 05:48, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Tuschinski Theartre, 2006 Photo

Dear Dirk,

Could I check with you that the following photo is indeed one taken by yourself?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuschinski_front.jpg

My record label would like to use this photo in the booklet of CD release (due out soon). The CD is "Judy Garland live in Amsterdam", which was recorded at the Tuschinski Theatre in 1960. Are you ok for us to use this shot? Is the one on the link the highest resolution version of the photo? Would you have any other shots of the theatre?

We will of course credit you in the CD issue and I can send you a copy of the final product once done.

Look forward to hearing from you,

Many thanks and kind regards,

David Murphy 80.6.33.252 (talk) 22:25, 19 August 2012 (UTC) (First Hand Records, UK) contact: removed

Luna 10

Some time ago (with this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luna_10&diff=prev&oldid=84233151) you added the assertion that Luna 10 was the first spacecraft to orbit the Moon. This is correct. You also added the assertion that it was the first spacecraft to orbit another celestial body. Sadly this is not exactly so: Ranger 3 for example had previously entered orbit around the Sun. I encourage you to return to the Luna 10 article and work into it the underlying claim, i.e. it was the first spacecraft to be intentionally placed into orbit around a celestial body other than Earth.... (sdsds - talk) 06:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Question regarding a photo of yours

Hi Dirk, I am with Ralph Appelbaum Associates (RAA), an exhibition design firm working on the content for a human rights exhibit to be located in Canada.

We may be interested in using this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coffee_shadow_trees_costa_rica.jpg

We would like to confirm that you own the copyright to it. I would also like to confirm that under the Creative Commons license, we would be allowed to use it. Thank you for getting back to me.

Terri Foxman Archives Researcher RAA <email address removed> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfoxman (talk • contribs) 19:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

As stated on that page, the photo has a CC-BY license, meaning you are free to use it, provided you attribute the photo to me, Dirk van der Made. DirkvdM (talk) 19:59, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Maxwell arts File:DirkvdM canopy walk.jpg paint

Heya Dirk!

I really love your photo http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DirkvdM_canopy_walk.jpg I was wondering if you'd mind if I used it as a reference for a painting? Here are some links to my work

https://www.facebook.com/Maxwellartss http://sansvaleurarts.tumblr.com/

You can contact me through those or at <email-address removed> Looking forward to hearing from you!

Thanks Maxwell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.163.127 (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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santa fe scorched.jpg in Maximum Size for Website

Dear Mister Van Der Made,

I'd like to use your photo „santa fe scorched.jpg“ in maximum size for my school project. If you'd allow, I'd add it to the front page of our projects website. The purpose of this website is to inform the people about how harmful their phones are for the environment. No monetary intentions.

So, I'd appreciate it, if you would allow me to use your picture in the Maximum size.

Yours faithfully,

Jonathan Hassel — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.245.122.155 (talk) 14:01, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, the original is only meant for sale, if that's what you mean. But surely, the maximum size you can download from Wikimedia of just over 2000 x 1000 pixels is large enough for a website. DirkvdM (talk) 14:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

use photo

Hallo Dirk,

een vraag, de foto http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DirkvdM_glasswing.jpg kunnen wij deze krijgen in hoge resolutie tegen betaling? wij willen deze gebruiken op een doosje en certificaat. indien mogelijk per email: [email protected]

mvg Hasse Wiersma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.241.160.77 (talk) 11:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Tinbergen

Hallo Dirk

Ik word door menig student lastig gevallen over de Tinbergen-norm zoals jij die op wiki hebt gezet. Heb je de tekst opgesteld naar aanleiding van een college? Heb je die uit een boek of zo. Heb je misschien teksten samengevoegd? Graag antwoord. Het kan ook via m'n persoonlijke email: akkkoo at xs4all.nl Alvast bedankt Frechar49 (talk) 19:37, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Al beantwoord op mijn Nederlandstalige Wikipedia. DirkvdM (talk) 09:52, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Photograph Identification II

Hello Dirk, I do like your wonderful photos. Since I am interested in butterflies, I found two pictures which were identified as “Crimson Patch”. In fact these pictures show the “Rosita Patch” (Chlosine rosita), clearly identified by the lack of black spots on the hindwing-underside and not the “Crimson Patch” (Chlosyne janais). See also (http://www.naba.org/chapters/nabast/cpatch.html , comparison of Chlosyne janais vs. Chlosyne rosita.) The pictures are already correctly used on the relevant Chlosyne rosita-Wikipeddia-butterfly-pages in English, Dutch and Swedish. I will change the description to the correct species-name in due time and hope this is in concurrence with you. Probably you can change the file-name as well? Greetings--Dumi (talk) 12:10, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I am no expert on butterflies, I just photograph them, so if you say so ... :) But how do I change the filename? It's been a long time since I did any serious editing, and I believe one can move a page, but how? DirkvdM (talk) 17:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

If you click "More" on the Commons-site next to Edit, History you come to "Move" and can change the file-name. If you agree, I can aso do so. Greetings--Dumi (talk) 20:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Done it. Thanks for pointing this out. It is a bit odd though, to have a 'more' tab that has just one more item.DirkvdM (talk) 07:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Perfect, probably you can also change the following: DirkvdM crimson patch 1.jpg, just to be consitant. Greetings--Dumi (talk) 12:41, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Ah, that is an old upload. I suppose it can be deleted. Anyway, I now don't see how I could move that file. DirkvdM (talk) 08:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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Car inefficiency

I put this here as a reference for myself.

In 2016 I saw a list of the most energy efficient cars, in two categories:
- electric: 12 kWh / 100km
- petrol-based: 18,5 km/l

How do those compare?

Electric
1 kWh = 3,6 MJ, so:
12 kWh/100km = 120 kWh/Mm = 432 MJ/Mm = 432 J/m

Petrol
the energy density of petrol is about 33 MJ/l, so:
1/18,5 l/km = 0,054 l/km = 54 l/Mm = 1782 MJ/Mm = 1782 J/m

That's for the most energy efficient cars. For an average petrol car it will be more like 3000 J/m. That means that the energy is takes to drive 1 m is equivalent to lifting 300 kg 1 m off the ground. That's so ludicrous I feel like I must have made an error, but I don't see it.

Photo of Orosi valley Costa Rica

Hello, re: this photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orosí#/media/File:DirkvdM_orosi_valley_bird.jpg

Although it is taken of a bird (actually a black vulture) it shows the hills of Palomo across the river quite well. This of particular interest to me because I can easily identify the location on which I have since built a house (the Pondorosi). Construction of several wooden structures began there in 2006. Before that, it was a coffee plantation, although it does not appear so in your photo.

I can tell the photo was taken from a restaurant and hotel owned by Marvin and called Media Libre (his nickname) Tapanti Lodge.

Just wondering if you had this photo in higher resolution or others like it. I would like to add them to my web site http://www.pondorosi.com/

Thanks, Mark Jensen

[email protected] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.227.248.216 (talk) 20:35, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

So you've got a house there, wow. I wish I had one. :) A wonderful location, I hiked around there for a few weeks. Nice house too (and website). And I also like the name, a combination of Orosi and the Bonanza ranch, I assume.

The photo was taken in early 2004 (possibly late 2003), so before construction of your house started. It wasn't taken from a restaurant or hotel, but during a hike (most likely through a coffee plantation). (I stayed at the Motaña Linda Hostel, one of the nicest places I ever stayed at.)

Oh, and I now notice the photo is used on many Wikipedia's and Wikibooks. Apparently we're not the only one who like it. :)

Anyway, I intended to make money from my photographs, but I have a better source of income now (and really I can't be bothered anymore :) ). So I would gladly give you the full-size version of the photograph. Although for a website the free one on Wikimedia should be good enough, unless you want to zoom in on something. Just click on 'Original file'. (Although there are some compression artefacts.)

However, the original is on a hard disk I can't access now because I now work with a laptop in which it doesn't fit. I'll have to buy a docking station. Planned on doing that anyway.

And I've got loads of other photos of the area. But I can't access those either. So I'll get back to you when I've bought a docking station. DirkvdM (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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I've asked at the reference desk for species identifcation.

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I am very confused about what happened with that and how this whole process works. And who was responsible for the deletion in the first place.

What I remember is that someone claimed the source was a blog. Which is utter nonsense. It was an article from https://www.fabbaloo.com/, which publishes well-informed articles. Actually, it's the best source on information on 3D printing that I know of, and I work in 3D printing (for a different company by the way, Ultimaker).

So I don't know what to do now. I created this article because it is a very interresting technology that definitely merits an article on Wikipedia. But I am not going to put more effort into it if it will likely just get deleted again.DirkvdM (talk) 10:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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A new calender

I want to integrate this in my page, but that requires some rewriting, so I put this here for now:

The cycles that matter most to humans are the day and the year. Alas, there are 365.2425 days in a year, which is not a whole number, for which reason we hava a leap years every 4 years (which is skipped the first year of a century, except for once every 4 centuries). This makes sense. The week and the month don't.
However, another reasonably important one is the lunar cycle, which is 29.53 days long. So the month does make sense, but only if it is that long, rounded to a whole day, so 30 days, which fits our decimal numeral system reasonably well. But that makes the year 12.175 months long, again not a round number. 12 months is 360 days, so for a non-leap year, 5 days are missing. This could be made into a special period at the end of the year, maybe a holiday. And that would then also be the most logical place to put leap days. So the last day of the year would then be december 35 or december 36.
But there is another issue to be considered: When does the year start? Well, on januari 1 of course. But on what day of the astronomical cycles should that day fall? Well, two important dates in the year are when the sun is at its lowest and highest, which are the shortest and longest days of the year. In the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day is on december 21 in most years (sometimes 22). So make that the first day of the year. So januari 1 is now shifted back 10 days.
Of course, New Year has to be on january 1. But what about Christmas? Well, when would you want it to be? On the same day of the (now rather different) calendar or on the same day of the physical year? The latter falls 4 days after the shortest day. So in te new calender, Christmas would fall on januari 4 (and 5). Not only a different day of the calendar, but also after New Year. This may feel weird (at first), and some might be unwilling to accept this. So make it december 25, I don't care. Of course, a similar reasoning has to be applied to other date-related festivals, preferably the same one, whichever that may be. DirkvdM (talk) 09:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

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Oops, forgot that. I am facing a deadline (actually already past it), and more files will follow. But they are my own work. DirkvdM (talk) 16:03, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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Yes, yes, I know. :) Corrected all that now. DirkvdM (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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For reference, the table is now placed here: Elections in the Netherlands#Election results and cabinets since World War_II DirkvdM (talk) 06:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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