Talk:Zeno of Elea

Notes

Note: The Russell quote is from page 347 of the edition given in the References. Paul August ☎ 19:01, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

Paradoxes given by Aristotle

I removed the two paradoxes from Aristotle as they are contained in the more appropriate Zeno's paradoxes. Uriah923 07:39, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Pederasts?

Leaving aside the question of "Why would they not have been?" is not this sufficient indication that indeed they were: "Plato says that Zeno was "tall and fair to look upon" and was "in the days of his youth … reported to have been beloved by Parmenides". (Parmenides 127)" Haiduc 23:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Zeno wasn't a pederast. He was the child in the pederast relationship. Parmenides was the pederast.Mr. 123453334 (talk) 00:10, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Muse?

It is said that Pythagoras recommended the building of shrines to the Muses. Could Zeno have played the comic relief to Parmenides? He seems to have been a bit of a trickster who, like Hermes who gave Apollo a bad time of it, wreaked havoc on Parmenides' arguments. In Plato's Parmenides the Athenians give the impression that Parmenides was the better of the two. When asked for a copy of one of his works Zeno claims that it was a juvinile effort and that it was lost. He is supposed to have written a work containing forty paradoxes[1]. His argument that points do not exist is interesting. Compare the present with eternity. --Jbergquist 22:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

"Greek philosopher of southern Italy"

Er... how exactly is he both Greek and Italian? --Jatopian 22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Remember, Elea was a Greek colony in Italy. Presumably he was born there, making him Italian, but of Greek parents in a Greek-claimed city-state, thus making him also Greek. --Gwern (contribs) 02:04 22 August 2007 (GMT)

Betrand Russel Quote

The quote by Bertrand Russel quote seems out of place in the introduction. Would anyone have any problem if I just put some of its substance into the intro. (Lucas(CA) 23:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC))

Conflict of dates

The article alludes to Aristotle being awear of Zeno and his work, even though the current birth/death dates would make this pretty much impossible.

The article states that he lived between 490 BC – ca. 430 BC, and i do recognise that the exact year is unknown, but (according to the wiki page on him)Aristotle lived from 384 BC to 322 BC, so for them to know each other they would have had time time travel.

Can this please be fixed up, somehow... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.43.107 (talk) 06:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Where does the article say that Aristotle knew Zeno? Zeno died roughly 50 years before Aristotle was born. Nevertheless Aristotle knew of Zeno and his work. Paul August ☎ 06:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Zeno's beliefs

Having devised his paradoxes, did Zeno in fact believe that motion was physically impossible and thus was only an illusion? Or were his paradoxes to him simply philosophical in nature, with no actual bearing on reality? — Loadmaster (talk) 16:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I doubt they were merely philosophical arguments; presumably if they were 'just' arguments, then Zeno's point would've been 'look at the odd results reasoning can produce!', no? But Zeno, Parmenides, and Melissus seem to've genuinely believe their results. Consider that the Parmenides doesn't seem to present Zeno as ironic, nor does Parmenides's On Nature seem to undercut itself; likewise, I've never seen any fragments of Melissus which cast doubt on his adherence.

Now, if the writings were from a Sophist like Gorgias, maybe then one could suggest that the author did not believe his arguments. :) --Gwern (contribs) 19:35 29 October 2008 (GMT)

Portrait

Singinglemon has pointed out that the person in the protrait is very probably Zeno of Citium. A visual argument (captions reflect identity claims):

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  Elea
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  Citium
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  Citium
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  Elea

Has anyone more info on this matter? Paradoctor (talk) 14:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I had a dig around for ancient representations of "Zeno", and all I can find are busts of Zeno of Citium:

• A marble bust of Zeno of Citium in the Naples museum. This is the portrait of Zeno with the long beard, and it's clearly what the engraving currently illustrating this page is based on.
• A marble bust of Zeno of Citium in the Capitoline museum. A somewhat cruder bust this one, and it may be what the alternative engravings of Zeno with a shorter beard are based on.
• A bronze bust from Herculaneum, once thought to be Zeno of Sidon, but now accepted to be Zeno of Citium

Zeno of Elea was, relative to Zeno of Citium, a fairly obscure fellow in the ancient world - he didn't found a philsophical cult like the Cypriot did, and so no ancient portraits of him survive. As for the more modern engravings, they were often used, I think, to illustrate editions of Diogenes Laertius' Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers, and Zeno of Elea has only a short entry in that, compared with Zeno of Citium who heads up book 7. Most engravings of Zeno, I'm afraid, are likely to be of Zeno of Citium. Singinglemon (talk) 20:36, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The quote from Laërtius

The callout rquote from Laërtius does not expand its "box" properly when the reader increases his type size (zooms in), e.g., with ctrl plus. If the reader has zoomed in even once, the ends of the nobreak lines are truncated in a way that makes the quote unintelligible. Either you have to do ctrl zero and move closer to the screen and squint, or you can go to edit mode and try to read it, ignoring all the mark up characters, which are many. I do not know how to fix this. Solo Owl 20:28, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: L'OrfeoGreco (talk · contribs) 21:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

This subject is of great interest to me; I am very pleased to have the chance to review it. For a start, I would like to congratulate the contributor(s) on their general effort. I want them to be certain that no corrective comment made by myself is meant to offend them personally or diminish the importance of their contribution to the Wikipedia project. Having made that clear, we can now proceed to my comments and/or suggestions, formulated on the basis of the GA promotion criteria:

1st Criterion: Well-written

a. Language

• Lead Section, maybe link space, time, and motion? These notions are of great importance in this instance. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Lead Section, Zeno's arguments are divided into... required to cross any distance.

It would be nicer if repetition of the words and phrases "arguments" and "invoke the idea" was eradicated. I suggest rephrasing the repetitions to aid the flow of narration. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Lead Section, His ideas have influenced philosophy and mathematics, both in ancient and modern times. Many of his ideas.

Here again, the repetition of "his ideas" is problematic. May I suggest "His ideas have influenced philosophy and mathematics, both in ancient and modern times. Many of the notions he introduced". L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien, I do appreciate your effort, but cannot help but say the new repetition is more problematic than the previous one.

His philosophy has influenced philosophy....

Try the suggestion I made above, or something else, but, please, do not leave it as it is. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 08:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Replaced with "paradoxes", this way it's clearer what specifically is being discussed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Excellent. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:13, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, Zeno was born c. 490 BC.

Since this is the main body we are dealing with, the use c. is not so suitable; usually, in the main body all the details pertaining to a person's biography are given in full form. I think "Zeno was born at around 490 BC." L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of any standard like this, and I don't see anything about this at MOS:CIRCA where it says that "c." is preferred. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, but since "the use of the c. template is preferred at first occurrence over just c.", the second c. should be removed. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 10:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, Zeno is portrayed in the dialogue Parmenides by Plato, which takes place when Zeno is about 40 years old.

Again, to avoid repetition of the philosopher's name, I'd suggest " Zeno is portrayed... which takes place when he is about 40 years old." or "when the Eleatic is", or something of the sort. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Repetition is necessary to distinguish Zeno from Plato, and nicknames like "the Eleatic" are less clear than just saying his name. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Accepted. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 08:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, In Parmenides, Zeno is described as having once been a zealous defender of his instructor Parmenides. This younger Zeno wished to prove that belief in the physical world as it appears is more absurd than belief in the Eleatic idea of a single entity of existence.

May I suggest using a semicolon to link these two sentences? They are closely related in terms of meaning. ("In Parmenides, Zeno is ... Parmenides; this younger Zeno wished to prove... existence.) L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, This younger Zeno wished to prove that belief in the physical world as it appears is more absurd than belief in the Eleatic idea of a single entity of existence.

Link "existence" to Existence. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, Socrates also hints at a previous romantic or sexual relationship between Parmenides and Zeno.

Here we have a serious issue of context: this sentence is much too potent to be given without a few more details. I would suggest adding at which work —not Socrates', he wrote none— and by whom it was written that Socrates insinuated such a relationship; it would also be nice if some small description of the relationship's nature was given, without aiming at sensationalism. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Clarified that it was Plato's writing. There aren't really any further details beyond this. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Quite better. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 08:59, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, Zeno died c. 430 BC.

Same as with the aforementioned issue. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Solved above, OK. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 08:59, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Life, Zeno was killed while he was engaged in a plot to overthrow the tyrant Nearchus..

Link "Nearchus" to Nearchus of Elea. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, While Melissus sought to build on them, Zeno instead confronted other ideas and argued against them..

The sentence doesn't really make sense in its present form. I suspect what is meant is that "Zeno instead confronted ideas which were contrary to monism, and argued against them." L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Changed to hopefully be clearer. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Much better, thank you. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:00, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, These arguments would have...particularly those of the Pythagoreans.

This sentence should be altered to "Such arguments...Pythagoreans", to ensure continuity of meaning. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Aristotle described Zeno as the "inventor of dialectic".

Link "dialectic" to Dialectic. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Zeno's philosophy makes use of infinitesimals, or quantities that are infinitely small while still being greater than zero.

The sentence comes in suddenly. To aid the flow of narration, I would suggest adding a coordinating transition word before it ("Moreover,", "Furthermore", something of the like). L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy,Criticism of Zeno's ideas may accuse him with using rhetorical tricks and sophistry rather than cogent arguments.

Link "rhetorical tricks" to Rhetoric and "sophistry" to Sophist. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Critics point to...

Perhaps this is a weasel word that could be rephrased? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

The source just says Some say. It seems to be a general discussion of the type of criticism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

OK then, L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:01, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, He may be accused of comparing similarities between concepts, such as attributes that physical space shared with physical objects, and then assuming that they be identical in other ways.

Repetition of "attributes", I suggest that a synonym is placed in the word's place. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd rather use attributes again so it's clear that we're still talking about the same criticism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, minor issue. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:02, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Plurality and space, Zeno rejected the idea of plurality, or that more than one thing can exist.

Link "plurality" to Pluralism (philosophy). L'Orfeo^{Son io} 15:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Plurality and space, ...is recorded by Simplicius. According to Simplicius,...

Avoid repetition of "Siplicius". I suggest "...by Siplicius. According to him,..."

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Plurality and space, In another argument, Zeno proposed that multiple objects... He held that in order... dividing them.

Second sentence closely related to the first, I would suggest using a semicolon to link them, i.e. "In another argument, Zeno... ovjects; He...". L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Plurality and space, He argued from the assumption that for all things that exist, they must exist in a certain point in physical space

Although I personally understand the meaning of this sentence, I sense it will bewilder most readers... Could the contributor(s) make it a bit more clear? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I removed the phrase "argued from the assumption", but I don't know if the latter half can be made simpler. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Great move, much clearer now! L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Philosophy, Motion and time, argues that a swift runner such as Achilles can never catch up to a slow runner, such as a tortoise

(Maybe) link "tortoise" to tortoise? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Seems like overlinking. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

You're probably right, ok. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Ancient philosophy, of interest to Ancient Greek mathematicians

Link "Ancient Greek mathematicians" to "Greek mathematics". L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Ancient philosophy, Zeno was succeeded by the Greek Atomists...

Link "Greek Atomists" as a whole to Atomism#Greek_atomism. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Ancient philosophy, Aristotle disagreed, believing them to be worthy of consideration. Aristotle challenged... Aristotle contented... Aristotle also challenged... to pass. The paradox of Achilles and the tortoise may have influenced Aristotle's...Zeno's arguments.

Extensive repetition of "Aristotle". Try "Aristotle disagreed...consideration.He challenged... He contended... Aristotle also challenged Zeno's...to pass. The paradox... may have influenced the Stagirite philosopher's belief that... Zeno's arguments". L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Changed most of the Aristotles to hes. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Modern era, His philosophy shows a contrast between

Here, "his" should become "Zeno's", since the previous sentences refer not to the subject itself, but to an object the subject produced (the paradoxes). L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Modern era, ...this practice was later adopted by the modern philosophic schools of thought empiricism and post-structuralism

Add comma between "of thought" and "empiricism and post-structuralism". L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Modern era, Zeno's arguments against plurality... Zeno's arguments against motion... and physics

A coordinating transition word before "Zeno's arguments against motion" would make the text feel less like a list. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:51, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Added a "likewise". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Fine! L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Modern era, Mathematics and philosophy continued studying infinitesimals

"Mathematicians and philosophers continued studying..." is more proper, since, logically speaking, people can "study", while sciences cannot. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Fixed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Modern era, There is no definitive agreement...

Since this is the final sentence, indeed contrasting the previous statements, a "However", or a "To this day" or something of the sort should be placed before it. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Added "however". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Great. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

b. Manual of Style (structure, form, etc.)

• Life (structure and context), The writings of Zeno ... of present day knowledge about Zeno.

Maybe this last paragraph could constitute a separate section or subsection named "Works and sources", as is the case with Socrates#Sources_and_the_Socratic_problem? I would like to hear the contributor(s) opinion on this suggestion. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Separated it as a subsection titled "Writings". I don't want to use "sources" because that's too similar to "references". Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Fine. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• Legacy, Ancient philosophy

The paragraph includes various references to mathematics, mathematical thought and practice, and thus the section's title "Ancient philosophy" is not exactly suitable. It would be more fit to name the section "Antiquity", for it to also match the section named "Modern era", a title that includes no reference to philosophy or mathematics, but rather to a time period. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

• General comment: "Behaviour" is British English, but other than that, I could not find clear signs of British or American English. If a decision is made, the respective signs should be placed above the article's first sentence and at the talk page. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

I wrote the article in American English, but I had copied that text from a different article. Fixed and added the use American English template. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

2nd Criterion: Verifiable

a. List of all references included

True. I'd like to note that in the "References section", writers like "Vlastos, Gregory" that have a respective Wikipedia article should be linked to it. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:17, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien I just found out that this is the one comment I'd like you to address. I'll now get the spot-check going, so that the article can pass within this week. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 08:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi - sorry to butt in as an outsider; it looks like tbua's been away since the end of the WikiCup (a few weeks now), leaving several GANs open - one has already failed because of this, which is a dreadful shame. I've added links to the References and Further Reading sections - there's a few authors which have decent pages on WikiData, so I can link those too if you want.  Frzzl  talk; contribs  11:29, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your timely intervention fellow Wikipedian, you are most welcome.

Since our initial cooperation had been just fine, and bearing in mind that TBUA is an excellent GA-nominator and contributor, I soon came to realise that something wasn't quite alright. I hope all is well with the user —in terms of personal health, at least.

I'll just finish the spot-checking and pass the article; I wouldn't fail it, because this particular user had expressed interest in the procedure early on. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 12:47 4 December 2023 (UTC)

b. Reliable sources are cited inline

Yes. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Sources spot-checking

Note: I'll work on this section only after the nominator responds. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 16:04, 2 November 2023 (UTC) Update:

1. [1]b: Correct page, source-text correspondence
2. [4]a: Correct page, source-text correspondence
3. [3]d: Source-text correspondence
4. [9]a: Correct page, source-text correspondence
5. [13]a: Correct page, source-text correspondence
6. [17]: Correct page, source-text correspondence
7. [20]: Correct page, source-text correspondence
8. [25]b: Correct page, source-text correspondence
9. [28]a: Correct page, source-text correspondence
10. [32]: In the source, the Quantum Zeno effect is indeed described, but I found no direct linkage of the arrow paradox to the QZ effect. For this reason, I found a reliable (Cambridge University Press and recent (published in 2023) source in which the arrow paradox and the QZE are directly linked (the source is "Quantum Theory, A Foundational Approach" by Charis Anastopoulos). I citated the source following the style used by the main contributor, i.e. that for sources cited only once and for very specific subjects, such as quantum mechanics, Harvard style referencing is not preferred.

L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

c. No original research

None traced. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

d. No copyright violations

Earwig's Copyvio showed "Violation Unlikely 5.7%", OK L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

3rd Criterion: Broad in its coverage

a. Main aspects addressed

Life, surviving ideas, legacy. Most of the things to be mentioned are included. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

b. No out-of-focus text

None. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

4th Criterion: Neutral

The philosopher's surviving arguments, their influence and acceptance are presented. (At least some of) those who opposed them are also included. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

5th Criterion: Stable

OK. The User:Thebiguglyalien was the sole user to contribute to the article for the last month or so. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

6th Criterion: Illustrated

a. Media are of clearly stated copyright statuses

Yes. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

b. Media are relevant

Certainly so. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 20:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Miscellaneous comments

• not found link at the "External links"; I suggest that the link is given with a reference to the source (here it is the "Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy"), like Palmer, John. "Zeno of Elea". In Zalta, Edward N. (ed.). Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. The same should be done with the external links "Plato's Parmenides", "Aristotle's Physics" and "Fragments of Zeno", to ensure style uniformity. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 10:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
  • I've removed several of the external links. The main ones, including a Wikisource link to works relating to Zeno, should be sufficient. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

    As you see fit, fine by me. L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Review result

All problems addressed, all criteria met. Passed, Congratulations! L'Orfeo^{Son io} 14:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

No solution has been agreed upon? Seriously?

Re. "Zeno's philosophy is still debated in the present day, and no solution to his paradoxes has been agreed upon by philosophers": Why don't they just integrate? This is high-school math. Philgoetz (talk) 02:01, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Please, explain yourself. What is your point? I suppose you mean to say that a philosophcal paradox of this sort can have no clear solution, as is the case with mathematical problems (perhaps requiring integration). Well, this point is valid as far as epistemology is concerned, but it all comes down to how you interpret the term "solution". It doesn't have to be a numerical solution; could it not be taken to mean the "explanation"? L'Orfeo^{Son io} 09:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)