Talk:Tren Urbano

pictures and costs

Someone needs to fix one of the pictures, where it says in the caption "bayamon station". It is actually deportivo station.

I reworked the article removing serious incosistencies and incorrect statements. This is not Puerto Rico's second train system and the first one was not a theme park ride! Puerto Rico had a rail system in place by the late 19th century which linked San Juan, Arecibo and Ponce, southern municipalities had rail systems built for the sugar cane industry and some of the largest cities had trolley systems during the 20th century.

All of this very true, and old bridge of the train is still in Santurce.

That's right. You can still see remnants of old train tracks and bridges along the PR state road # 1 between Ponce and Arroyo (south part of the island), in the Playa sector of Ponce, and in the Mercedita Sugar Cane sector of Ponce (Serralles Distillery). Old and abandoned locomotives can be seen at the Mercedita sector, and an actual early 20th century locomotive is on display in a park in the town of Peñuelas. An old train tunnel still stands in a beach close to the Guajataca lake and reserve.

Does anyone has any references as to the original proposed costs of the Urban Train? I believe it was around $600 million, although I may be wrong. I know certain changes, like the change from light to heavy rail, caused massive increases in costs, but the original project was far less than $2.5 billion.

I think it was 1.3 billion..

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I think it was 1.3 billion..

Sorry to nag guys, but please sign with your comments. - Mtmelendez 19:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Tren Urbano Extensions

The Tren Urbano is heavy-rail,the Caguas extension will be light-rail.

The Carolina extension will have some heavy-rail and some light-rail stations.

The Caguas extension will be “Light-Rail” according to the mayor of Caguas, but a speedy “Light Rapid Rail” is what studies recommend to be competitive with vehicles.

There is no such thing as Heavy or Light-Rail stations in one line, all Heavy-Rail have third rail and high platforms while the latest generation of Light-Rail are low floor with pantographs and street operated in most cases. Moebiusuibeom-en 14:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Two thoughts: (1) There's a recent trend to use the term "Light Rail" to describe rail systems that would have been termed "Commuter Rail" 20 years ago which has caused some confusion. Functionally there's no difference, although there may be some differences in the technology used for the vehicles and propulsion from older commuter rail systems. (2) What happened to the proposed two station extension of the original line from Sagrado Corazon to Minillas, where there's a concentration of government offices? This extension received environmental approval back in 1997 (or early 1998) and at the time there was talk that the extension would be built and open with the initial 16-station line. I'm not finding any mention of it as being built or even under construction on the internet, and the article here doesn't even mention it as a proposed extension. It wouldn't surprise me if it got postponed for financial reasons (most of the extension would be tunnel in a dense urban area) but I wish I could find some record of what happened to the proposal.

I should have Googled a bit more before posting part (2) there. The Minillas extension proceeded to preliminary engineering but was rated as "Not Recommended" by FTA in FY 2004, which would effectively be a death sentence for the extension. Here's a link (apologies if it's not in proper wiki format - I'm just a visitor) to an FY 2004 FTA table showing it as not recommended: http://www.fta.dot.gov/printer_friendly/planning_environment_3309.html

... Minillas Extension anyone?

As mentioned above, "Not Recommended" by FTA in FY 2004 may mean lack of funding and not necessarily a death sentence, nevertheless, it's it's highly recommended to densify and provide a more walkable city so as to prevent further urban sprawl, who says? a 150 million US dollar Research and Study by competent professional authorities say so! It's a short run but where it ends at present in Sagrado Corazón is practically useless, technicality and deep tunneling under the Minillas tunnel may complicate things but it's extension should definitely be an eminent priority, and as some suggest; a light tramway through traffic clogged city streets just wont cut the cake. Moebiusuibeom-en 14:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

“Tren Urbano” is the only Metro (or not) in the Caribbean... Not anymore

I suggest this article to be revised or modified, before it gets obsolete, as Metro Santo Domingo, which is 14.5 KM long is currently under testing runs, and it will be opened "commercially" by August 2008. Construction started by late 2005 and already the first convoy is under testing runs.

Metro de Santo Domingo is to become the 1st of its kind in the Caribbean, since Tren Urbano operates in different manner and with low ridership. --200.88.135.184 (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

It's still the only commercial Metro in the Caribbean!--BoricuaPR (talk) 01:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Well obviously the Santo Domingo Metro will have a bigger ridership. San Juans Metro Area is bigger than Santo Domingos,it's less populated and obviously less dense plus there are more cars in PR than in the entire DR! --207.166.121.201 (talk) 03:22, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

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In regards to my edit

In regards to my edit dated 01:34, 28 September 2016:

To say that it serves the metropolitan area of San Juan, Puerto Rico is totally misleading and incorrect, that is a United States Census Bureau defined Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in northeastern Puerto Rico, which includes a total of forty-one (41) municipalities covering approximately half of the island, the Tren Urbano only covers three (3) municipalities, these are the municipalities of San Juan, Guaynabo and Bayamon. Moebiusuibeom-en (talk) 01:40, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Expansion plans

The capacity figures in this section don't make sense. If its 40,000 pax per hour per direction (pphpd) for 6-car trains at 90 second headways then that is 166 pax per car. However the current capacity of 3,000 pphpd for 4-car trains on 8 minute headways is only 100 pax per car. Also this website [1] says the capacity is 180 pax per car (72 seated 108 standing). I haven't find anything definitive yet so rather than an edited the main article I'm posting here. Tjej (talk) 00:57, 15 August 2017 (UTC) When? My son lifes in this town, he has blue eyes and is very handson. The company is always open?