Talk:Squatting in the United States

Amount of coverage to be devoted to specific squat houses

Everyone, how much coverage should we devote to specifics about individual squat houses and how much name dropping should we have? Graywalls (talk) 22:32, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Maybe give some specific examples so people know what you are talking about. I'll give you a hand though - if you are talking about deleting mention of projects from the lead, then read MOS:LEAD. If you are talking about the 11 projects in NYC that are legalising, yes of course they should be mentioned here in the article covering squatting in the united states. Mujinga (talk) 15:36, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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Specific details in lede

This is a broader topic article of squatting in the US. Specific organization/movement name drops in the lede is WP:UNDUE in my opinion. It was added back in after initial removal without any attempt to establish consensus per WP:ONUS. Graywalls (talk) 03:58, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I already answered you a year ago about this in Talk:Squatting_in_the_United_States#Amount_of_coverage_to_be_devoted_to_specific_squat_houses above. You did not reply and kept on changing the lead so that it doesn't summarise the article. In short, your opinion gets trumped by MOS:LEAD Mujinga (talk) 15:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Per WP:LEDE it summarizes the main concept. The specific examples, chosen sparingly should go in the non-lede part. The selection of arbitrary chosen examples in lede is undue. Graywalls (talk) 17:20, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@Czar:, perhaps you might be more familiar with the general structuring. My take is that the lede should summarize key points, such as the actions taken by some organizations such as homesteading, but the specific organizations names and such could stay in the rest of the prose. I believe arbitrary choosing to highlight certain organizations presents WP:DUE weight issue. Do you believe I'm misunderstanding MOS:LEAD Graywalls (talk) 17:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

It's not that the lede cannot contain examples, as for instance I don't see how the contents would be summarized without going through the standing examples of the California Gold Rush, Hoovervilles, and housing justice organizations. For this edit, I think the compromise is to explain what types of housing justice orgs exist and then only name ACORN and Take Back the Land as the independently notable ones. Basically I'd pare those removals back (i.e., summarize further) before removing them altogether. czar 17:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Then, the question comes to which examples are to be featured. To avoid framing the lede in a way that attracts such predictable problems, I feel not having any specific example would be preferable. I don't see why ACORN, or any specific individual group name should be showcased in the intro paragraph. Graywalls (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The lead needs to summarise the article, it's that simple. That edit is subpar per MOS:LEAD and also ungrammatical. I've incorporated the suggestion to name ACORN and put Operation Homestead instead Take Back the Land because it has more substantial coverage in the article. If anyone wants to discuss the lead again, I would suggest making a RfC to get wider input. Mujinga (talk) 11:15, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

So, fix the grammatical issue. Your recent removal of some contents with edit summary "removal local paper" comes across as selective POV removal, because, you retained contents about reporting from LOCAL NBC about people squatting in their foreclosed homes, as well as retaining info about things like Dignity Village, and eviction of illegal camp villages with King5 local TV as the source. Graywalls (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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