Talk:Sparta

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Yawa ka. 2001:FD8:655:DCD6:30C5:787D:FCAE:23FB (talk) 08:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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Map

Each map has good and bad points, for example

• File:Sparta Territory.svg: indistinct borders at infobox size. Mysterious (to me) border around Messene and no clear foundation for border around Sparta. No indication of period. Clear topology, many significant locations marked.
• File:Spartan Territory Before 371 BC.png: clear demarcation, but colour conceals topology. Indication of period, sources detailed in file description. Many significant locations unmarked (eg Messene, Mt Ithome, Therapne, Amyklae). Significant topological features (Parnon, Taygetus) not marked.

T8612 and Unbh, could you discuss such points here and if it then seems worth the work, could you T8612 adjust your map in accord with the discussion? NebY (talk) 19:23, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@NebY: Regarding the locations, there are a number of mistakes in the first map:

Messene was founded by Epaminondas in 369 BC, after Sparta lost the region of Messenia. You cannot place the city of Messene on a map featuring the borders of Sparta before 369 BC; it's contradictory and confusing.

Mt. Ithome is the name of a mountain, and the first name of Messene. It was also in the 460s the last bastion of the revolted helots, but like Messene not a city before 369 BC.

Therapne was probably only a cult-place and not a city.

Amyklae was a constituant village of Sparta, not a perioecic city.

Several perioecic cities are also missing, such as Kythera.

The map I made is principally political, I didn't care much about topographical data. T8612 (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah yes, thanks for pointing out that you have indeed only shown the perioecic cities; I had rather assumed that you'd set out to do more if you were going to replace the infobox map There's so much more to Sparta, For example, Ithome is one of the most important locations of the Pentecontaetia, while the Parnon and the Taygetus are key to understanding Spartan strategy in the hoplite era, that Sparta included Amyclae is argued to be a contributory reason for the late circumvallation, and Therapne was a significant cult site. We'd be shortchanging our readers to switch. NebY (talk) 21:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2023

Request to put the Sparta flag near the Sparta symbol. Nsho Official (talk) 07:06, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Lemonaka (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 October 2023

In the last sentence within the 'Birth and death' subsection within the 'Life in Classical Sparta' section, there is a phrase 'two-storey' which I believe should be 'two-story'. NubberChubber (talk) 02:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: "Storey" is correct, it is just British English. Tollens (talk) 05:07, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be merged

Shouldn't this be merged with Sparta, Laconia? Yogurto (talk) 07:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Aristotle

It states at the end of the Classical Sparta section that Aristotle "commented" on the decline of Spartan citizenship. What exactly were his comments on it? This needs to be expanded upon. TheNomad416 (talk) 10:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)