Talk:Land of Israel

Palestinian viewpoints

Shouldn't the other 99% of the article be labelled "Jewish viewpoints"? Keith McClary (talk) 05:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

That section has two subsections, one called "Usage in Israeli politics" and one called "Palestinian viewpoints". Seems fine to me. Debresser (talk) 10:55, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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Land of Israel → Israel (region) – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Also the related article has a title Palestine (region). Delasse (talk) 13:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC) Delasse (talk) 13:41, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose. The two examples are not similar. Unlike "Palestine", "Israel" is not a traditional name for a region. The traditional name is "Eretz Israel". Besides that, this change would create a lot of unnecessary argument when it is wikilinked. Zero^talk 00:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Land of Israel is the common name. Number 57 11:21, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not the common name. Dimadick (talk) 19:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support Region of Israel and Land of Israel are analogous names.YeetMachete (talk) 01:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose, but a move to Eretz Yisrael might make it clearer what this page is about. Srnec (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 May 2021

Please replace

The 12 tribes of Israel are divided in 1 Kings 11. In the chapter, King Solomon's sins lead to Israelites forfeiting 10 of the 12 tribes

with

The twelve tribes of Israel are divided in 1 Kings 11. In the chapter, King Solomon's sins lead to Israelites forfeiting ten of the twelve tribes

Better to use words with such small numbers, especially to set them off from the always-numbered "11" in the biblical reference. 64.203.186.121 (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Numbers 10 and above are usually written as numbers (both per WP:MOS and according to other style guides); while the biblical reference is standard format. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 July 2021

Could you split this sentence?

These biblical limits for the land differ from the borders of established historical Israelite and later Jewish kingdoms; over time these have included the United Kingdom of Israel, the two kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah, the Hasmonean Kingdom, and the Herodian kingdom, which at their heights ruled lands with similar but not identical boundaries.

You could make it simpler by splitting and changing a little of the wording:

These biblical limits for the land differ from the borders of established historical Israelite and later Jewish kingdoms, including the United Kingdom of Israel, the two kingdoms of Israel (Samaria) and Judah, the Hasmonean Kingdom, and the Herodian kingdom.  At their heights, these realms ruled lands with similar but not identical boundaries.

64.203.186.121 (talk) 15:24, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done ––FormalDude ^talk (please notify me {{U|FormalDude}} on reply) 02:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

In the intro, please add "of Western Asia" after the Southern Levant.2600:1700:551:EED0:8DA3:52D8:4630:115B (talk) 07:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. That is unnecessary detail. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 Feb 2022

In the "Genesis 15" section, the following passage appears:

More precise geographical borders are given Exodus 23:31 which describes borders as marked by the Red Sea (see debate below), the "Sea of the Philistines" i.e., the Mediterranean, and the "River", the Euphrates), the traditional furthest extent of the Kingdom of David.[26][27]

In the "Exodus 23" section, a very similar passage appears:

A slightly more detailed definition is given in Exodus 23:31, which describes the borders as "from the sea of reeds (Red Sea) to the Sea of the Philistines (Mediterranean sea) and from the desert to the Euphrates River", though the Hebrew text of the Bible uses the name, "the River", to refer to the Euphrates.

I think we should move the part about the extent of the Kingdom of David to the "Exodus 23" section and remove the entire passage from the "Genesis 15" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomEE2 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Typo?

The article at one point says "Thus, the renaming of this landmarks a change in religious status". Which is grammatically incorrect :)

I suspect the author meant to say "Thus, the renaming of this land marks a change in religious status"

Also, this sentence too seems incorrect: "deeming this establishment has directly interfering with God's plan for Jewish redemption."

The topic is locked, can someone fix this? 76.132.58.192 (talk) 10:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Citation for the second paragraph of the Ex. 23 section (2.2)?

I believe a citation is needed for the following passage: "Although the English name "Red Sea" is derived from this name ("Erythraean" derives from the Greek for red), the term denoted all the waters surrounding Arabia—including the Indian Ocean and the Persian Gulf, not merely the sea lying to the west of Arabia bearing this name in modern English." 169.234.237.205 (talk) 00:20, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 December 2022

change "More precise geographical borders are given Exodus 23:31 which..." to "More precise geographical borders are given in Exodus 23:31 which..." Hermosa69 (talk) 15:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 22:22, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 November 2023

Article claims that Israel in the Bible, was once called Palestine, which is not true 50.113.71.88 (talk) 19:00, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 January 2024

The section titled "history" is misrepresentative when it says "ín theory and not in practice". To fix this this entry should be edited to instead include at least some discussion of Jewish return and continuity in the name of Eretz Israel over the centuries between the Roman Empire and Zionism, including during the Ottoman rule. The entry should engage more deeply with the practical aspects of the spiritual desire and actual concrete instances of return to Eretz Israel in Jewish culture, tradition, and litertature. For example, there was a strong history of migrating back to the land throughout the centuries, no matter who was ruling it. There was also a tradition of migrating to Eretz Israel in old age, and of being buried there. THer eis a tradition of placing a handful of soil from eretz Israel in all Jewish graves that is still practiced today. Many of the great medieval scholars in the Jewish tradition lived in, or migrated to, Eretz Israel, and a great many key medieval Jewish texts, used in the diaspora, were written by mystics and scholars in Eretz Israel and that this was an important part of their influence. There was also extensive trade, and items from Eretz Israel were dispersed around teh diaspora. There were also a number of persections and pogroms that meant less migrated than they would hav eliked to. As such this entry should also draw on and link to the wikipedia page "History of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel", which contains numerous excellent citations, and accounts of Jewish return over the ages, including for reasons to do with fulfilling the commandments that can only be fulfiled in Eretz Israel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel> And, the term 'Aliyah' is also relevant to this, and this entry should link to the wikipedia page on it, and should draw on the section on 'pre-modern Aliyah'on that page. Here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Modern_Aliyah>.

Thanks Indigoscarlett (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

The above suggestion should possibly be in talk, not edit Indigoscarlett (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 January 2024

Related biblical, religious and historical English terms include the Land of Canaan, the Promised Land, the Holy Land, and Palestine.

Please remove Palestine, it is historically « completely erroneous and revisionist » to wish to modify the history of Israel. Biblical and religious facts: Palestine was never mentioned in the Bible ( old and New Testament) neither the Coran. Israel is mentioned 43 times in the Coran and 0 time Palestine. Palestine does not belong to the Bible or any religious books for that matter and should be removed in this context since we are referring to biblical and history origins here.

}} ElsaChe (talk) 18:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Palestine is a very common name in scholarly literature for this region. You ignored the "historical English" part of the sentence (which could well be "historical European languages"). The sentence does not limit the scope to religious texts. Zero^talk 00:54, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

not true

when is israel called palestine in the bible or ever untill the british mandate 2601:586:CA80:20E0:1982:2797:547D:2305 (talk) 01:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The answer to your question can probably be found in the Palestine (region) article. Sean.hoyland (talk) 02:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Valley of Sur/Wadi Sur

Hi ​David. I was curious how the photo of the Valley of Sur (Wadi Sur) illustrates the concept of "Rabbinic laws in the Land of Israel". As it is now, I can't see why it's there, neither from my less than basic knowledge on the topic, nor from the caption, which is probably the case with all other users. Thank you and have a great day! Arminden (talk) 11:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)