Talk:Home Alone/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Adamstom.97 (talk · contribs) 10:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

No worries about this being your first GAN, I'll be gentle! Let me take a little time to have a good read through the article and then I'll come back here with some thoughts. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

First review

There are definitely a few issues with this article that are currently preventing me from promoting it to GA, but with some work it can get there. Before I do a full sweep through the article to look for specific issues I want to talk about the start of the "Production" section. The opening paragraphs and "Casting" subsection don't really meet the requirements for broad coverage in my opinion. I would like to see some work put into investigating this further and expanding this into a combined "Development" subsection. Particular things that are missing for me are where the idea came from, how it was developed, what the creatives have said about, that sort of thing. I'll put the review on hold and give you some time to work on this before continuing. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:37, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

I've added a development section, adding how the film's conception came about, as well as some casting edits. I think the casting section can stay - it isn't too small and is often present in film articles. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 02:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

That's a big improvement in my opinion, thanks for the help Vaselineeeeeeee. I will do a full read through of the article now and come up with a list of other changes that I would like to see made. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Second review

Here is a more detailed break down of the article and issues that I have come across:

Lead

• The lead is quite unbalanced. It has a brief summary of the film in the first paragraph and then a large paragraph about its reception. I would like to see a bit more weight given to the production of the film in the lead to try and make the lead more of a summary of the whole article.
• There are a few citations in the lead. Since the lead is just a summary of the information that is already sourced in the article we generally do not require citations in the lead unless something in the lead is being questioned. Can you remove the citations from the lead or provide specific reasons why they need to be there, and also ensure that everything that is in the lead is also in the body of the article (for instance The Grinch is only mentioned in the lead).
• I think the last line regarding the film franchise can be updated to not specify the number of films in the franchise (as that is surely going to keep changing and doesn't need to be updated each time) and instead just state that there is a film franchise and that it started with the direct sequel Home Alone 2.
  •  Done all. If there are any problems, let me know. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Also summarized the film's release and gross with the major related gross-achievement being the highest grossing live-action comedy for two decades. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Plot

• The plot is fine, but I do want to bring up the last line: Buzz suddenly yells "Kevin, what did you do to my room?!", at which point Kevin runs off. I understand why this has been included, but generally we want to avoid "minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail" per WP:FILMPLOT. My preference is that this line be removed.
  •  Done. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Around Christmas time a ton of IPs usually bloat the plot like crazy which is unfortunate, which I had recently restored, so I will keep a much closer eye on these additions to ensure the plot does not get bloated again. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Production

• I think it is good to introduce people properly in the "Production" section, as I feel it is not unusual for readers to skim through the lead and jump straight to "Production". If someone has done that with this article they will not know who Hughes or Columbus are.
• I feel the article would benefit from moving the info about production shut down and Fox taking over from the "Filming" section to the "Development" section. I realise that it happened during filming, but it feels sort of hidden where it is and it could work well as part of the discussion you already have in the "Development" section. Also, it might make sense to mention the final budget here as well since we are also discussing the budget here but don't find out the final number until the reception section.
• The casting section is looking a lot better after the changes made by Vaselineeeeeeee above. Any other casting information that could be added here would be great, but if this is all we have then I am fine with it as a minimum amount of casting info.
  •  Done all. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Other

• Is there any way we could expand the one line in the reception section that discusses the legacy of the film? Usually for articles like this that cover a "classic" film there is usually a whole section on this if not at least a paragraph.
  •  Done - I'll (hopefully) get to the refs tonight!
• I think the "Sequels" and "Reboot" sections should just be a single "Franchise" section, rather than giving so much weight to them by having two whole sections dedicated to different films.
  •  Done
• References are looking fine, but only a few of them have been archived. I would strongly suggest having all web sources archived to ensure readers can access the original sources in the future.
  • There's a slight concern for ref 16, which I can't archive because there aren't any viewable versions of it on the Wayback Machine (possibly because I live in the EU). If it's possible for someone in the US (or anywhere else that can access the Chicago Tribune) to archive it, that would be nice. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 20:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
  •  Done. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
    •  Many thanks
    • I also can't seem to access ref 24, which is possibly for similar reasons. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:56, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
    •  Done. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Let me know if there are any concerns with these. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:08, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I haven't found any concerns with your concerns. The two one I haven't marked as  Done will take longer, so it'll take a few days to complete them it. Hope that's OK. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:13 15:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

• I think it would be great to have a home media subsection, which would go under a release section along with a theatrical release subsection. Any resources for that - I'm sure there must've been a lot of home media for this film. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:44, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Third review

Thank you for the work done addressing my concerns so far Thatoneweirdwikier and Vaselineeeeeeee. The article is looking much better now. I would still like to see the final budget mentioned in the development section, and I like the idea of have a release section separate from the reception info with theatrical and home media content in the former. Once those are sorted I will have another read through of the article. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Adamstom.97, I've done the first two requests here, but I can't find any info on theatrical and home media content. As I've said, the archiving of references will take a few days so I hope you can bare with me on that. Thanks once again for reviewing this article. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 07:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I've added a "Releases" section for the theatrical and home media releases as individual sections may be too small. Moved box office back under reception where it belongs. I ask that you find the archive links if you can. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Cool, the article is looking good now. Let me know when you are ready for me to take one last look Thatoneweirdwikier. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Adamstom.97, I've got about 50 20 10 more refs to archive, then the article should be ready. I'll update the number during my progress. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 05:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Adamstom.97, I have finished archiving all of the refs. Feel free to begin the third (and hopefully final) review of this article. Thanks, Thatoneweirdwikier Say hi 09:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Good work responding to my points @Thatoneweirdwikier and Vaselineeeeeeee, I am now happy to pass this review. Congratulations! - adamstom97 (talk) 01:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)