Talk:History of East Texas State College/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: MX (talk · contribs) 17:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Review

Will review. Stay tuned! MX (✉ • ✎) 17:50, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

• Well-written: Big yes. Article's prose is superb. Passes

• Verifiable with no original research: Strong sources and all paragraphs/sections cited. Passes

• Broad in its coverage: Yes. Though the Texas A&M University–Commerce mention is only in the lead. That will be fixed shortly. Neutral

• Neutral: Yes. No issues found. Passes

• Stable: Very. No major changes since 2016. Passes

• Illustrated: Yes, and all are licensed properly. Passes

Lead paragraph

• Great section overall; summarizes adequately and all facts are cited elsewhere.
• The history of East Texas State College (ETSC) comprises the history of the university now known as Texas A&M University–Commerce from its – There is no mention of how this college is now Texas A&M University–Commerce. Can you integrate it in the prose per WP:LEADCITE?

 Done In the first sentence of the "Growth" section. Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Growth

• East Texas State Teachers College (ETSTC) was renamed East Texas State College (ETSC) in 1957,[1][2][3][4] – Do we really need 4 citations to back this sentence? It might be an instance of WP:CITEKILL

 Done No, we certainly don't. I've cut one of them out. Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

• Another major development occurred in 1962, when ETSC was authorized to grant doctorates by the Texas Commission on Higher Education, initially offering one in English and three in education. – I'm curious about the Texas Commission on Higher Education. Is this commission notable? It seems like it was a predecessor for a new commission, but I'm sure you know more than me about this. I'm just thinking it could be redlinked or linked to the current/rebranded commission.

 Done I've created a redirect to Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board, using the term Texas Commission on Higher Education. The current Higher Education Coordinating Board is not the same agency but it does fulfill a similar function, so I think this is appropriate. Hopefully someone will ultimately turn the redirect into a separate article on the Texas Commission on Higher Education, but for now I think a redirect will suffice. Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Integration

• prospective African American students by East Texas State in the 1950s, – Use abbreviation ETSC per previous section

 Done I've changed this to "ETSC and its predecessor East Texas State Teachers College (ETSTC)". The reason I used East Texas State was because this development in the 1950s happened during both the East Texas State College and East Texas State Teachers College period. Both were referred to as "East Texas State". Do you prefer "ETSC and its predecessor East Texas State Teachers College (ETSTC)" or "East Texas State" to convey something that happened across a name change? Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Athletics

• women's intercollegiate athletics would not exist at East Texas State until the passage of Title IX in 1972 – Same here, unless it is East Texas State University (since it renamed in 1965). Should it be ETSU?

 Done This is exactly the same point as above. I've changed it to "ETSC or its successor East Texas State University (ETSU)". I'd be happy to go back to "East Texas State" if you think that would be better. Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

• the Lions enjoyed continued athletic achievements during the ETSC era – The Lions is the school's mascot? Its mention is kind of abrupt since there was no previous mention of it. Consider integrating it into the prose so readers know what you're talking about.

 Done I've changed this to "the ETSC Lions enjoyed continued athletic achievements", with a wikilink to the article on the university's athletics teams generally. Does this resolve the confusion issue? Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Student life

• Nonetheless, an East Texan student newspaper survey – Question for you. Could the student newspaper have an article? UT's The Daily Texan has one, but I'm not sure if this one should/could, too. If so, consider redlinking it.

 Done Yes, absolutely. I've redlinked it.

Notes

• All good here. My only question (not a requirement) is why Citation # 1, 2 and 20 are not included in the References section since they are books.

The reason I didn't use the Harvard-style citations for references 1, 2, and 20 is because I only cited from one page each from those sources. If I had cited from two or more pages, as I did for the Reynolds and Sawyer books, then I would have used Harvard-style citations for them, too. If you feel strongly about it, I can certainly use Harvard-style citations for all three of those one-page book citations. I just thought that it wasn't worth having a two-part Harvard-style citation for sources I only used a single page from.

Thank you so much for your time and effort on this review, MX! I think I've addressed all your concerns now, but if not, or if you think of something else, please let me know. Thanks again! Michael Barera (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks for the replies. The article looks ripe for promotion. I’ll give it a second look later. I’m out of town and simply got online to post on a draft I was working on offline. I’ll be back shortly, likely to promote. MX (✉ • ✎) 15:06, 5 October 2019 (UTC)