Talk:Ed Rush

Edit war

Hi IP editor 81.187.192.168 and user Alon Alush. An edit of mine has been undone and reverted several times now. First of all, if you look at the edit carefully, you will see that it merely adds a {{Citation needed}} and moves some text around. It did not add anything. This means that undoing the edit with edit summaries "unsourced" and "do not add unsourced statements to biographies of living people" makes no sense. Secondly, when it comes to WP:BLP and unsourced material, context matters. The policy says that (emphasis mine) "Contentious material [...] that is unsourced [...] must be removed". In other words, material that is causing or likely to cause an argument; that is controversial. Nothing indicates that this applies to his real name, Ben Settle. If IP editor 81.187.192.168 thinks it does, he should write so, and substantiate. All - both - external links say "Ben Settle". Even if the other IP editor considers these unreliable, they could have done a quick Google search to find other sources, including DJ Mag.[1] This only leaves his unsourced birth year. Here too, nothing indicates this is controversial material. Additionally, it is the material that I tagged with citation needed. In other words, my edit was fine. IP editor 81.187.192.168, if you agree, please revert your own undoing of my edit. --82.174.179.202 (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Please see our policy on biographies of living people. We simply don't add unsourced information to an article about a living person – and especially not with a {{citation needed}} tag already in place on the edit adding the alleged information! That's just common sense. And adding a {{citation needed}} tag to the lede of an article when adding unproved information is appallingly unprofessional.

If somewhere else in the article that unsourced information is present, then the correct thing to do is to remove that information, not promote it to the lede. Or providing a source for that information works too. But not just adding it to the lede with {{citation needed}} and then wikilawyering about whether it's okay to add unsourced information to a BLP (clue: it's not). 81.187.192.168 (talk) 16:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Similar to how you did not carefully read my contested edit, you did not carefully read my contribution here. This, unfortunately, means I'm unable to engage in a discussion about the article's content with you. I will add this dispute to WP:DRN, to get input from a third party. --82.174.179.202 (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

It is not hard to find a video in which Ben says he's Ed, and while that's not on the most traditional of sources, it's from accounts linked to a music project he was involved in. Not an ideal source, but there it is. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Right, and also it says that he is Ben Settle on his own Facebook page Alon Alush (talk) 17:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I found good sources that mention Ed Rush as Ben Settle:

https://www.discogs.com/artist/308-Ed-Rush

https://www.facebook.com/edrushuk/

https://music.youtube.com/channel/UC2sme4mC9iZURPhc0bnoxkQ

https://www.last.fm/music/Ed Rush

https://musicbrainz.org/artist/2b905913-171b-411a-bdfa-56295455f63d Alon Alush (talk) 17:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that user-edited and -derived sources (e.g. discogs, facebook, youtube, last.fm, musicbrainz) are not reliable sources for Wikipedia's purposes. WP:USERGENERATED explains this. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 20:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Not true. Those sources grant the reliability of the posting individual -- i.e., a video posted to YouTube by CNN is considered to have CNN's reliability. If the Facebook page cited aboe truly is Ed Rush's, then it would fall under WP:BLPSPS, and would be a perfectly fine source for basic non-boastful details. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 17:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)