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Infobox photo consensus discussion

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There is a disagreement over which photo should be used in the Infobox. User:Wayomui, who is apparently Nguyen himself, or one of his representatives (He indicated here that he got the photo from Nguyen himself, and uploaded it himself) wants to use photo B, while I favor A. I should note in the interest of full disclosure that I took A, though I do not oppose replacement as long as the replacement exhibits certain qualities. This is a summary of our arguments:

User:Wayomui argues that the previous pic is over eight years old, while the new one reflects how he currently looks, and that he has "drastically changed from the previous photo", and that "the best photo is the one that shows what he looks like." because he "no longer has the same hairstyle and moustache". However, the newer photo is a full shot in which he head is not only comparatively tiny, but his eyes are obscured by glasses. The previous photo is far clearer shot, and makes his features far more easily identifiable. There are no "drastic changes" visible between the two photos, and I would challenge any significant number of people to be able to consistently identify which photo was taken first.

User:Wayomui says that "If you were to go look for him at a comic convention, you would have an easier time locating him with the image currently used than the one previous," but this presumes that Nguyen would be wearing glasses at the time. Glasses are not a facial feature. As for hairstyle and facial hair, those things are not immutable. People change their hair length simply by virtue of being in between haircuts, and can easily change their facial hair as well. This article is not a personal platform for Nguyen to advertise himself, nor does he own it. In my opinion, the photo should be one that accurately shows what he looks like, and should not be changed in favor of another simply because the newer one is more recent. If the subject's appearance has changed significantly, as when the Infobox photo of Linda Hamilton was changed, that's perfectly legit, because her appearance had changed significantly, and the newer photo did not obscure her features nor present her in a full-body shot in which her face was tiny in the saved article thumb. If Mr. Nguyen doesn't like the previous photo, then he should try working with the editing community here to meet in the middle, by providing a proper bust photo, in which his eyes are not hidden.

I have no problem with a more recent photo being taken as long as it is not arbitrary, and the subject's features are not less clear than the previous one. Let's try to arrive at a consensus. Nightscream (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

• A., per above. Nightscream (talk) 15:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A if these are the only two choices. But if this picture genuinely no longer represents Nguyen, and he genuinely is providing updated photos, I would encourage Wayomui to provide a third alternative that reflects his current appearance but is more in line with the style of the first photo. Grandpallama (talk) 15:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A, but I agree with Grandpa Llama's sentiment. Argento Surfer (talk) 15:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A, but there is something to be said be about respecting the subjects wishes (in non-contraversial issues like this). So if he could like provide a third option like Grandpallama suggested, then that would be appreciated.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A looks better to me. David A (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A as his facial features are not obscured. —howcheng {chat} 16:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A, from an encyclopedia standpoint, makes more sense to me. --luckymustard (talk) 17:01, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• I cropped B a bit and added it as C. I think that would be a good middle ground. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 17:54, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A, encyclopedic and professional. CaffeinAddict (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A I really did pick this one before looking at the other entries--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• A, clearly the best of the three.—ukexpat (talk) 20:08, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
• D - have him take and upload a new one without the sunglasses and with a better background. I will not support A due to the fact that the above "summaries" of positions utterly fail in any attempt at neutrally presenting both sides. They were both clearly written with the intent of persuading towards A, and I have a problem with that since it was presented as to try to present both arguments. It would be like at court if I was allowed to interrupt my opponent repeatedly to attack their points during their time, but not vice versa. If you want to present your argument, fine, but don't try and say your summary of their argument is their argument when you attack that argument in "their" argument. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:31, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Not only did I present Wayomui in his own words, with linked quotes, but I flat-out informed him of this discussion, and even asked him to let me know if he felt that I did not summarize his arguments accurately. He thanked me for the notice, and to date, has not chimed in here to indicate that he has a problem with the summary's accuracy. In any event, if you felt that the above was inaccurate, you could've addressed it. But refusing Photo A for this reason, rather strictly on the question on which photo is preferable is not a fulfillment of our obligation to be neutral editors, it's just spite. As for for having take another photo, well, I flat out said that too, both in my edit summary when I reverted, and above. Nightscream (talk) 01:32, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• A. Headshot no shades is always the way to go. Softlavender (talk) 01:14, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
• A, but I would add the date the photo was taken. Until a more suitable, recent image is supplied. Pejorative.majeure (talk) 01:44, 25 February 2020 (UTC)