Talk:Dust storm

Questions

I was wondering what the types of sand storms there are. In one of your aricles, you say that there are three types: Creep, Siltation, and Suspension. However, you do not list what makes them different, nor any examples. I want to see pictures or some other link to a web site that DOES have pictures. You really need to work on this page. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.42.43 (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I have a question. I work in Iraq and we have crazy dust storms that last days. Weird thing though we have experienced dust storms with literally no wind, and other times there has been winds of up to 35 mph and no dust storm. What gives, so from what I can observe is that there has to another factor besides wind to cause dust storms. Can anybody help me out here. The article may contain my answer but if someone could just point it more clearly like I am a five year old. You know give one word like "pressure". My point is there has to be another factor other than wind. --GZUS96 19:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

How does mars have worse storms than earth if the atmosphere is something like 1% of the density of earth's atmosphere?

I gather that some research has suggested the cause of saltation there, may be due mostly to the effect of sound. If this is so why does it differ to acoustic properties of earth's atmosphere?

Weatherlawyer (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Isn't is a bit ridiculous to say a dust storm can be "as much as 1.6 km (0.99 mi) high"? Clearly what has happened here is the original data was that a dust storm can be as much as 1 mile high, which has then been converted to 1.6 km high, which is then being converted back again to miles with a silly degree of accuracy. I suggest the text should read "as much as 1.6 km (1 mi) high". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.217.150.76 (talk) 01:00, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Duration

I was just wondering if anyone knows how long a sandstorm/dust storm can last. It should be in the article anyway. --2tothe4 01:24, 15 July 2005 (UTC) from my experience in Phoenix Arizona over the last 5 years- they usually last about an hour - the first 10 minutes will be the worst and then a gradual clearing... Sometimes that can last longer and some are mild throughout, but the pic of the texas storm in 1935 from the article is representative of a dust storm we had June 6th 2006. It is like a wave of dust that comes from one direction and envelopes everything. Very cool

I work in Iraq and they have lasted for days at times here. They usually last all day at least. It is very annoying. I have pictures of some of them on my facebook. Just search for my name (Ronald Pant). --GZUS96 19:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

First Paragraph

That first paragraph is just way too long. I might be able to look at it later and see what I can do with it. SuperCow 00:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Now that I've read this - It really needs a lot of work. I'll see what I can do later, but this whole article is just one big paragraph! SuperCow 17:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Viruses

afaik, dust storms tend to spread diseases, can anyone find any reliable information about it? Fdskjs 11:00, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about viruses spread this way, but certainly pathogenic fungi are spread this way. Valley Fever is a notorious example in the arid southern San Joaquin Valley of California. Tmangray (talk) 18:05, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Reorganized

I reorganized it, let me know what you think. SuperCow 20:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Major work

This article needs some major work, especially if it's rated as high importance within an associated wikiproject. How about some information regarding duration (as noted above), frequency of occurance, long term effects, effects on culture & region, etc... /Blaxthos 17:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Much good info can be gleaned from the ref. I just posted. It will take time to input and footnote from this work. There are surprisingly few other such ref's online. Tmangray 18:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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Extraterrestrial dust storms
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Reference # 9

Someone may want to help in editing and spacing reference number 9. It refers to effects of dust from subsaharn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.241.194.66 (talk) 19:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Saharan dust storms carry mold, including Aspergillus and others

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saharan_dust#Saharan_dust

Schlesinger, Pnina | Mamane, Yaacov* | Grishkan, Isabella

Transport of microorganisms to Israel during Saharan dust events

Aerobiologia [Aerobiologia]. Vol. 22, no. 4, pp. 259-273. Dec 2006.

... On a spring clear day, the persisting airborne fungi were Alternaria alternata, Geotrichum candidum, Penicillium chrysogenum, and P. glabrum. However, during two dust events the fungal population was dominated by Alternaria alternata, Aspergillus fumigatus, A. niger, A. thomii, Cladosporium cladosporioides, Penicillium chrysogenum, and P. griseoroseum. This study suggests that Saharan and other desert dust events in the East Mediterranean have a significant effect on the airborne microbial populations, which might impact on health, agriculture, and ecology.

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=ENV&recid=7334454&q=&uid=788189463&setcookie=yes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.61.244 (talk) 22:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

mold-carrying desert dust may induce respiratory stress and seed downwind ecosystems

Shinn, Griffin, Seba

Atmospheric transport of mold spores in clouds of desert dust PMID 15286329

"Fungal spores can be transported globally in clouds of desert dust. Many species of fungi (commonly known as molds) and bacteria--including some that are human pathogens--have characteristics suited to long-range atmospheric transport. Dust from the African desert can affect air quality in Africa, Europe, the Middle East, and the Americas. Asian desert dust can affect air quality in Asia, the Arctic, North America, and Europe. Atmospheric exposure to mold-carrying desert dust may affect human health directly through allergic induction of respiratory stress. In addition, mold spores within these dust clouds may seed downwind ecosystems in both outdoor and indoor environments." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.11.105 (talk) 23:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

microorganisms in desert dust and implications for human health

Griffin

Atmospheric movement of microorganisms in clouds of desert dust and implications for human health Clin Microbiol Rev. 2007 Jul;20(3):459-77, Clinical Microbiology Reviews, July 2007, p. 459-477, Vol. 20, No. 3 PMID 17630335; PMC 1932751; doi:10.1128/CMR.00039-06 http://cmr.asm.org/cgi/content/full/20/3/459?view=long&pmid=17630335

From PMID summary:

"... This review is a summary of the current state of knowledge of desert dust microbiology and the health impact that desert dust and its microbial constituents may have in downwind environments both close to and far from their sources."

New section needed on health effects

New section needed on health effects the health effects can effect anyone. But most of all it effects people like pregnant women and people with heart or lung conditions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.195.9.234 (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion

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The result of the merge request was: not merged. howcheng {chat}

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It appears to me that a haboob is a type of sandstorm, which is covered in the Dust Storm article. Dr.enh (talk) 20:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

You're right. What is your point exactly? This article can summarize the haboob article, with the haboob article having more detail on that phenomena. Thegreatdr (talk) 21:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Haboob is not really a type of sandstorm, but that wall of dust or sand you get at the lead edge of a sandstorm. While it should be mentioned in the Dust Storm article, I believe especially because many people will come to search for it after one occurs in Arizona that an article of its own is a valuable thing. Autkm (talk) 00:36, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge. A haboob is indeed a sub-type of dust storm, specifically one created by a thunderstorm outflow boundary but sources seem to differ on whether it is just the leading edge of the dust storm or the dust storm itself. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 03:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Thegreatdt that a haboob is its own unique phenomenon deserving of its own article.Whytyger (talk) 05:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge! Haboobs are a type of intense "sandstorm". There is a big difference between sand storm and, dust storm. For those of us who live in places like, Arizona, we know that there is very little sand here. Sand storms can last several days and are common in the middle east. Dust storms are short lived and, have almost no sand, it's mostly all dirt (dust) hence the term, dust storm. Not only do I disagree with the merge but, all references of any US city or state should be removed from the Haboob article. Dust storms and Hoboobs are two different animals. Pastor Daniel Zuniga, Phoenix, Arizona. 63.3.3.2 (talk) 23:50, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge. Agree that a Haboob is a sandstorm phenomenon and not a dust storm. US references should be removed or identified in a separate paragraph with references to dust storms and a distinguishment between the two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.253.36 (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge If not for the specific article on haboob I would not realize that this is a very distinct phenonemon DrSculerati (talk) 08:56, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge. As a native Arizonan, I personally know that Haboobs and Dust storms are two seperate types of storms. Planetary Chaos Redux (talk) 15:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Oppose merge. The term "Haboob" was defined by the indigenous population of the Middle East and Sahara deserts. The name defines the storms of their region that is a subset of dry wind storms that involved primarily sand and usually of a longer duration that North American dry storms. Dust storms of the southwest US and Mexico consist of primarily dust or top surface soil. To compare relatively benign dust storms to the more damaging sand storms of the Middle East and northern Africa is to reduce the impact the name "Haboob" evokes when discussing dry wind storms. 17:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.16.45.154 (talk)

Oppose merge Please note that the term haboob (as it relates to dust storms) surfaced in the U.S. only after a large dust storm occurred on 5 July 2011 in Phoenix, AZ. Since then, there appears to be an effort by some to incorrectly apply the term to dust storms in general. In addition to the valid points noted above opposing a merge, a haboob is created by winds originating from any direction, whereas dust storms (in southern Arizona, particularly) are caused by seasonal (monsoon) winds originating from a specific direction (east or south). Outside of that season, the wind originates from the west or north. formeat 10:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)(talk)

Oppose merge In the Phoenix valley the term "haboob" has been used for the last 20-30 years. It has always been used for that kilometer(s) wall of dust that precedes an Arizona Dust Storm. I think the thing that changed on July 5 is that was the first time an Arizona haboob was tall and strong enough to appear to people on the ground. Previously to that storm, I had never seen an "haboob" from the ground. They had always before been seen from the news helicopters. Autkm (talk) 00:24, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Move along, there's nothing to see here. Just some moronic racist right-wing panic about using a loan word from Arabic, see for example these people flailing their arms in rage because The Weather Channel used the correct scientific term. But who am I kidding, science is evil! The world was created in six days!--Boneka (talk) 06:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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File:Redsea sandstorm May13-2005.jpg to appear as POTD soon

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Picture of the day

A sand storm sweeps across the Red Sea in this 2005 satellite image. Also called "dust storms", they commonly occur in arid or semi-arid climates when strong wind blows loose sand and dust from a dry surface. Particles are transported by saltation and suspension, causing soil erosion from one place and deposition in another.Photo: Jacques Descloitres, MODIS Rapid Response Team, Goddard Space Flight Center

remove of galery

I fell like the gallery doesn't do much to inform the reader about dust storm and i wold like to remove it also i believe that the section "Dust storm visibility of 1/4 mile or less, or meters or less" and "Noble dust storm" should be removed or given a separate article. if i don't receive an answer in a day i will go ahead with the changes.--Jeffrd10 (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 07:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• I'll review this one.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• gust front and suspension seem like terminology that should be linked.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• desert should be linked on first use.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:28, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Causes

• Why relink Saltation (geology) a second time, especially so soon after the first?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• File:Chinadustmovie.gif might be better on the left, since at high res viewing it is pushed below all text in the section.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• static electric field may require two links to explain.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• negative charge could be cleared up by a link or two.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• Link Drought on first use.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
• This section needs WP:RS throughout for WP:ICs. At least one per paragraph, but really one per factual statement.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• I am not going to read this any further. For such a short article, this has major problems.

1. Half of the content in the two largest sections is in uncited paragraphs.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
2. Much of the terminology should be linked for clarification.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
3. Multiple links appear on later uses rather than the first use.

• The nominator should spend some time thinking about WP:WIAGA. This article clearly is failing 1b and 2b. I suspect it may fail 3a since I suspect that there have been individual sandstorms that have aritcles. The reader should know how to find the most famous sandstorms after reading this article. There is no discussion on seasonality of this phenomenon. I suspect that there are times of the year when these are more prevalent and if there are not that should be mentioned too. I might even take time to mention that sandstorms are or are not named events. This article is lacking and I am FAILING it now.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Black blizzard

The keywords "black blizzard" redirect here. However, unlike the page "Dust Bowl", this page does not contain the whole term. So to redirect here is not really helpful. Should this page be extended to either shortly explain the term, or to at least offer a link to the "Dust Bowl" page with they keywords "black blizzard"? 88.113.105.202 (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Split Martian dust storms

It could help minimize duplication among Dust storm#On mars, Climate of Mars#Dust storms, Atmosphere of Mars#Dust storms, and Martian_soil#Atmospheric_dust. fgnievinski (talk) 04:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah i agree 2600:4040:475E:F600:F9CF:20AE:27A8:FE23 (talk) 14:18, 16 August 2023 (UTC)